Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

[GandalfSivi]

Indiju i jeste poharalo, UK je dobar pokazatelj djelovanja vakcina.

Šta je Indiju poharalo sunce ti ljubim? Zemlju od 1.5 milijardi stanovnika, koji žive u nehigijenskim uvjetima i pitaj boga kakvim zdravstvenim sistemom.

Koji vam je qrac više sa širenjem laži i sijanjem straha.

Zemlja je proporcionalno imala manji broj inficiranih od Hrvatske.
Koje se ovdje laži i nebuloze plasiraju to je za ne povjerovati.

Dobro razmisli prije nego sto nesto napises.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 021-07-20/

Ali sto ja govorim je da je ovo u sustini dobra vijest. Neka je istona i negdje izmedju, i neka je puno puno vise ljudi umrlo od zvanicnih brojeva (a u Indiji jeste), opet delta mora biti dosta manje smrtonosna od originalnog soja...

[udri me jace]

https://www.6yka.com/novosti/roditelji- ... u-iz-skole

[Naslovnica]

Šta je Indiju poharalo sunce ti ljubim? Zemlju od 1.5 milijardi stanovnika, koji žive u nehigijenskim uvjetima i pitaj boga kakvim zdravstvenim sistemom.

Koji vam je qrac više sa širenjem laži i sijanjem straha.

Zemlja je proporcionalno imala manji broj inficiranih od Hrvatske.
Koje se ovdje laži i nebuloze plasiraju to je za ne povjerovati.

Dobro razmisli prije nego sto nesto napises.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 021-07-20/

Ali sto ja govorim je da je ovo u sustini dobra vijest. Neka je istona i negdje izmedju, i neka je puno puno vise ljudi umrlo od zvanicnih brojeva (a u Indiji jeste), opet delta mora biti dosta manje smrtonosna od originalnog soja...

Ko se sjeća REUTERS-a i izvještaja i slika masovnih grobnica žrtava covid-19 u Sarajevu?!

[JohnnyS]

Austrija puna ravnozemljaša i trumpovaca

[udri me jace]

Roditelji ne daju da im se neko zajebaje sa djecom i eksperimentise na njima.

[Naslovnica]

https://www.6yka.com/novosti/roditelji- ... u-iz-skole

Djeca se moraju vakcinisati čim se odvoje od sise, jedino tako možemo pobijediti pandemiju!

#budiodgovoran
#ostanidoma
#sisajsisu

[udri me jace]

https://www.6yka.com/novosti/roditelji- ... u-iz-skole

Djeca se moraju vakcinisati čim se odvoje od sise, jedino tako možemo pobijediti pandemiju!

#budiodgovoran
#ostanidoma
#sisajsisu

Sisaju sestre kahvu pred zetrom dok cekaju prvog bekana od jutros ... jedino auto koje je jutros doslo u zetru je dostava cevapa iz zmaja

[Naslovnica]

Bilo bi zanimljivo najaviti da je sutra rokanje sa Pfizerom, da li bi se napravio red ili ne?
Zaista ne znam šta da mislim vezano za slab odziv za vakcinaciju, koji bi mogli biti razlozi.
Vrsta ponuđene vakcine, mnogo vakcinisanih u Srbiji (i Hrvatskoj), mnogo ljudi koji su preboljeli i jednostavno ne žure da se vakcinišu ili smatraju da nema potrebe, covid-19 je obična prehlada, korona ne postoji, zakleti antivakseri, vikend, vrućina.
Kada se sve sabere, dobije se to što se dobije.

[daddy-kool]

Mitchell Tsai
Virus researcher at Harvard Medical School in 1980sTue
US CDC and White House playing "vaccination rate" game, rather than keeping people safe from Covid.

Politics and "changing the goal post". Useless targets.

Opinion: The focus should have been on KEEPING CASES DOWN, not vaccination numbers.

For each person who catches Covid, maybe 10–20% get Long Covid.
This includes people with asymptomatic and mild cases.

Still trying to get better numbers on Long Covid. Kids seem to get less, but experts argue about whether 1–2% or 8-12% of kids catch Long Covid.

101,608 cases/day (Jul 30) = 10,000–20,000 more Long Covid people.
569,100 cases/week (Jul 27 - Aug 2) = 57,000–114,000 more Long Covid people.

Ugh.

Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus.
Opinion: Don’t use measles or polio strategies against a coronavirus. Bad idea.

Vaccines only provide about 50% (30–65%) protection against “silent spreaders” (asymptomatic) of Alpha (UK data, 4/7/21). Unknown against “silent spreaders” of Delta.

Measles and polio vaccines don’t have the problem of vaxxed “silent spreaders”.

Ugh.

The “magic vaccine” strategy of the CDC and the White House, where vaccinated people are superman/superwoman and can party as much as they want…was pretty dumb.

Bait & switch. Hopefully by telling people lies, you can get a really high 90–95% vaccination rate, and then we’re home free. Yeah. Right.

After we get a whole bunch of Covid, the US CDC and White House do the “switch” part of “bait & switch”, and tell people they have to follow safety guidelines again.

Ugh.

They didn’t want to tell people that we need safety guidelines, REGARDLESS of whether you are vaccinated or not.

Follow more safety precautions when
(1) There is more Covid in your area
(2) Your local hospitals are swamped (so you get lower quality medical care).
…not based on your vaccination status.

Why didn’t the White House and CDC say this?
They wanted to bribe people with the “magic vaccine” strategy.

Ugh.

My opinion: I like "Strategic vaccination".

(1) Vaccinate age 65+, at-risk, health & front-line workers

(2) Require vaccine (or Covid recovery) within 3-4 months for indoor dining, bars, clubs, weddings, sporting events, etc...

(3) For everyone else, vaccines are optional

The ideas are:
(A) Vaccinate as many super-spreaders as possible (the 5-10% who infect 80%-90%.
(B) Don't waste time with the 70% who don't infect anyone else.
(C) Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus. Vaccines probably won’t provide “herd immunity”.
(D) Instead, vaccines are a way to lower deaths and Long Covid cases in the SHORT TERM.
(i) The fewer cases we have, the lower chance of a “monster mutant” arriving.
(ii) Having lots of cases is a BAD idea, BAD idea, BAD idea. That’s how we got Delta.

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

Many of my positions/opinons since Jan 2020 seem very different from other people, but that’s because I’m basing my expectations on “common cold” coronaviruses.

…not measles, polio, or flu.

(A) How does “herd immunity” apply to a coronavirus?

(B) What types of vaccination and behavior strategies will we need?

(C) What are the possibilities for cures and treatments? For Covid, “Long Covid”, vaccine side effects, and “Long Vax”?

(D) How does society need to be redesigned to handle non-medical challenges people face?

[Naslovnica]

Ugh.

[TDK-90]

Berlinska Klinika Charite pocela sa trecom dozom vakcinacije osoblja

Die Berliner Charité hat diese Woche begonnen, ihre Beschäftigten ein drittes Mal gegen das Coronavirus zu impfen. Die Auffrischung werde seit Mittwoch angeboten, teilte die Charité mit. Angesprochen seien Mitarbeitende, die vor mindestens sechs Monaten ihre zweite Impfung erhalten hätten und mindestens 60 Jahre alt seien.

[skafiskafsnjak]

Berlinska Klinika Charite pocela sa trecom dozom vakcinacije osoblja

Die Berliner Charité hat diese Woche begonnen, ihre Beschäftigten ein drittes Mal gegen das Coronavirus zu impfen. Die Auffrischung werde seit Mittwoch angeboten, teilte die Charité mit. Angesprochen seien Mitarbeitende, die vor mindestens sechs Monaten ihre zweite Impfung erhalten hätten und mindestens 60 Jahre alt seien.

Kad dodje jos 5 sojeva, bice ko narkomani ....

[Naslovnica]

Berlinska Klinika Charite pocela sa trecom dozom vakcinacije osoblja

Die Berliner Charité hat diese Woche begonnen, ihre Beschäftigten ein drittes Mal gegen das Coronavirus zu impfen. Die Auffrischung werde seit Mittwoch angeboten, teilte die Charité mit. Angesprochen seien Mitarbeitende, die vor mindestens sechs Monaten ihre zweite Impfung erhalten hätten und mindestens 60 Jahre alt seien.

Ako je potrebno, ako je struka tako odlučila, ne vidim razlog zašto se ne bi bocali?
Uostalom, šta vi imate od škole pa da polemišete o ovome?!

[saint_mirad]

Variants could be named after star constellations when Greek alphabet runs out, says WHO Covid chief
UN health agency fears variants of concern could outnumber the 24 letters of the Greek alphabet, Maria Van Kerkhove tells the Telegraph

[homer2go]

Mitchell Tsai
Virus researcher at Harvard Medical School in 1980sTue
US CDC and White House playing "vaccination rate" game, rather than keeping people safe from Covid.

Politics and "changing the goal post". Useless targets.

Opinion: The focus should have been on KEEPING CASES DOWN, not vaccination numbers.

For each person who catches Covid, maybe 10–20% get Long Covid.
This includes people with asymptomatic and mild cases.

Still trying to get better numbers on Long Covid. Kids seem to get less, but experts argue about whether 1–2% or 8-12% of kids catch Long Covid.

101,608 cases/day (Jul 30) = 10,000–20,000 more Long Covid people.
569,100 cases/week (Jul 27 - Aug 2) = 57,000–114,000 more Long Covid people.

Ugh.

Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus.
Opinion: Don’t use measles or polio strategies against a coronavirus. Bad idea.

Vaccines only provide about 50% (30–65%) protection against “silent spreaders” (asymptomatic) of Alpha (UK data, 4/7/21). Unknown against “silent spreaders” of Delta.

Measles and polio vaccines don’t have the problem of vaxxed “silent spreaders”.

Ugh.

The “magic vaccine” strategy of the CDC and the White House, where vaccinated people are superman/superwoman and can party as much as they want…was pretty dumb.

Bait & switch. Hopefully by telling people lies, you can get a really high 90–95% vaccination rate, and then we’re home free. Yeah. Right.

After we get a whole bunch of Covid, the US CDC and White House do the “switch” part of “bait & switch”, and tell people they have to follow safety guidelines again.

Ugh.

They didn’t want to tell people that we need safety guidelines, REGARDLESS of whether you are vaccinated or not.

Follow more safety precautions when
(1) There is more Covid in your area
(2) Your local hospitals are swamped (so you get lower quality medical care).
…not based on your vaccination status.

Why didn’t the White House and CDC say this?
They wanted to bribe people with the “magic vaccine” strategy.

Ugh.

My opinion: I like "Strategic vaccination".

(1) Vaccinate age 65+, at-risk, health & front-line workers

(2) Require vaccine (or Covid recovery) within 3-4 months for indoor dining, bars, clubs, weddings, sporting events, etc...

(3) For everyone else, vaccines are optional

The ideas are:
(A) Vaccinate as many super-spreaders as possible (the 5-10% who infect 80%-90%.
(B) Don't waste time with the 70% who don't infect anyone else.
(C) Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus. Vaccines probably won’t provide “herd immunity”.
(D) Instead, vaccines are a way to lower deaths and Long Covid cases in the SHORT TERM.
(i) The fewer cases we have, the lower chance of a “monster mutant” arriving.
(ii) Having lots of cases is a BAD idea, BAD idea, BAD idea. That’s how we got Delta.

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

Many of my positions/opinons since Jan 2020 seem very different from other people, but that’s because I’m basing my expectations on “common cold” coronaviruses.

…not measles, polio, or flu.

(A) How does “herd immunity” apply to a coronavirus?

(B) What types of vaccination and behavior strategies will we need?

(C) What are the possibilities for cures and treatments? For Covid, “Long Covid”, vaccine side effects, and “Long Vax”?

(D) How does society need to be redesigned to handle non-medical challenges people face?

Inetersantno kako se krug polako zatvara prema gripi i prehladi

I nakon duže vremena, polako se nagovještava odstupnica. Više se ne mogu svi spasiti, Sad odjednom, onim sa genetskim predispozicijama će uvijek nagrabusiti, od sad i u buduće

[daddy-kool]

Inetersantno kako se krug polako zatvara prema gripi i prehladi

Ne znam koliko si pročitao i shvatio, ali ovaj gore se zalaže za mjere uz vakcinisanje kako bi bilo što manje slučajeva.

[JohnnyS]

Svijet više ne trpi podrumaše, može on ughati do sudnjeg dana

[homer2go]

Inetersantno kako se krug polako zatvara prema gripi i prehladi

Ne znam koliko si pročitao i shvatio, ali ovaj gore se zalaže za mjere uz vakcinisanje kako bi bilo što manje slučajeva.

Ma shvaćam ja, ali se narativ značajno mijenja. Polako i struka odustaje od svojih zabluda. Logičko pitanje, ako je delta tako zarazna kako je zaustaviti. Maskama, policijskim satom, totalni lok daun i slično. Može se pokušati ali šta onda? Doće neka nova inačica virusa. Vidiš Australiju, postali su žrtva uspješnih mjera i sad ne smiju ni milimetra popustiti ili će imati tornado zaraze.
Ova pandemija će prestati kad većina ljudi preboli Coronu par puta računajući i vakcinacije.
Jedna od najvećih zabluda je da su opasne mutacije posljedica broja zaraza. To jednostavno ne pije vode i apsolutno je u suprotnosti sa zakonima evolucije. Dominantne mutacije se događaju kao odgovor na imunološke, okolinske i logističke uslove. Tako je i Delta nastala. Jednostavno Britanski i Alfa sojevi iz nekog razloga nisu bili dovoljno efikasni u Indiji. Vjerojatno klima i mlađa populacija. Recimo lambda ima teže kliničke slike ali se nije uspjela izboriti za dominaciju.
I da parafraziram dio iz teksta, genetski predodređeni će uvijek nagrabusiti i imati teži oblik kovida i za deset godina. Life is a bitch. Ali isto važi i za kancer i milion drugih bolesti.

[daddy-kool]

Logičko pitanje, ako je delta tako zarazna kako je zaustaviti. Maskama, policijskim satom, totalni lok daun i slično.

Teško da ne kažem nemoguće, mislim da će nove vakcine koje targetuju ovaj soj biti efikasnije.

Ova pandemija će prestati kad većina ljudi preboli Coronu par puta računajući i vakcinacije.

Možda, a možda se nastavi produkcija novih sojeva pa bude:

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

I naravno, problem je long covid koji izgleda obuhvata 10-20% svih inficiranih.

[homer2go]

Logičko pitanje, ako je delta tako zarazna kako je zaustaviti. Maskama, policijskim satom, totalni lok daun i slično.

Teško da ne kažem nemoguće, mislim da će nove vakcine koje targetuju ovaj soj biti efikasnije.

Ova pandemija će prestati kad većina ljudi preboli Coronu par puta računajući i vakcinacije.

Možda, a možda se nastavi produkcija novih sojeva pa bude:

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

I naravno, problem je long covid koji izgleda obuhvata 10-20% svih inficiranih.

Ali to je to, kad preboliš par Covida i primiš par vakcina već ćeš imati dovoljno imuniteta da živiš sa Covidom kao i sa gripom. A to oko long covida to tek treba da se stručno objasni i dokađe, pandemija traje samo 18 mjeseci, a već pričaju o long covidu. Mislim za 5 godina ćemo znati šta je realno posljedica a šta promašaj struke. Ovo je i dobrim dijelom vadiona na relativno usko fokusirane vakcine koje očigledno nisu ispunile nerealna očekivanja.

[daddy-kool]

long covid je identifikovan prije početka vakcinacije, i generalna poveznica je anegdotalno poboljšanje poslije vakcine.

[daddy-kool]

Stručnjaci su u problemu takođe, ono što su mislili da znaju o virusu se prilično brzo mijenja. Čitav svijet gleda u njih za uputu, a realno jedino što mogu savjetovati je vakcinaciju i (opet) nošenje maski.

[Naslovnica]

Znači upada i long covid kao jedan od argumenata za vakcinaciju?

[daddy-kool]

Pa da, jedan od razloga za vakcinaciju je i long covid.

[Karikaturist]

Kakva je ovo lobotomija od teme.