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#4251 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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Bijelci predstavljaju većinu stanovništva SAD, s ukupno 223.553.265 ili 72,4% ukupne populacije po popisu stanovništva iz 2010. godine. Od toga su 16,5% Nijemci, 11,9% Irci, 9,0% Englezi, 5,8% Talijani, 4% Francuzi, 3% Poljaci, 1,9% Škoti, 1,6% Nizozemci, 1,5% Norvežani i 1,4% Šveđani.
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"Ovi izbori su vjetovatno najkonkurentnija utrka od 10 bodova prednosti koju sam do sada vidio. Trump zadržava prednost i uživa snažnu podršku radničke klase i bijelaca kojih je najviše u 'swing' državama", kazao je Bill McInturff republikanski anketaš koji je proveo istraživanje s demokratom Jeffom Horwittom.

Trumpovo zaostajanje u anketama potaknuto je padom podrške ključnih grupa birača koje su mu pomogle 2016., bijelaca bez fakultetske diplome i starijih Amerikanaca
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#4252 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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costacurta wrote: 01/11/2020 17:03
jeza u ledja wrote: 01/11/2020 16:36
costacurta wrote: 01/11/2020 16:29 Trump je kladični primjer jednog rednecka. Nije to tipični naš pojam za "seljak" već neko ko je glup ko qarina a ubijeđen da je prvak svijeta samo zato što živi u nekoj pripizdini u Arizoni, Teksasu ili Luizijani.
Kad ispunjavaš neki formular pod tačkom RACE od svih ponuđenih (White, Latino, Afro-Am, Hispanic, Caucasian itd) WHITE možeš zaokružiti samo ako si BIJELAC ali onaj Američki. Nijemci, Englezi, Francuzi i svi drugi "bijelci" nisu WHITE već Caucassian.
Prosječni bijelac u Americi, pogotovo ovaj jug mrze iz dna duše sve drugo osim WHITE. On je samo njihov glasnogovornik i naglas priča ono što 99% WHITE ppl misli.
Sa Trampom je samo sve to zlo isplivalo na površinu.
Neće se ovo dobro završiti kod njih. Gap je ogroman, policija više nema autoritet, stopa nasilja porasla. Koliko su poludjeli gledam da su negdje oko Austina ovi Teksaški Rednecksi pokušali izgurati autobus sa autoputa koji je bio u Bidenovoj kampanji a Trump je to komentarisao i pohvalio ih u fazonu "awesome!. what a crew!" Budaletina kompletna.
Iskreno bih volio da ga dobije Biden, ali veliku podršku od ovih WHITE gluperdi sa juga tako da će biti opet gutavo, što mi je porazno :roll:
Kad "ispunjavas formular" mozes zaokruziti sta ti je ceif. Termin "Caucasian" se vise bas i ne koristi. Mozda ces negdje naci na nekom zastarjelom formularu, ali sigurno ne kao nesto razlicito od "White". Ne postoje "americi bijelci" kao nesto razlicito od ostalih bijelaca. :-)

Inace, da samo bijelci glasaju Trump bi gotovo sigurno ponovo pobijedio. Da glasaju samo bijeli muskarci, kao nekad davno, Trump bi bio dozivotni preCjednik.
2017. sam radio bedž propusnicu za ulazak u kompleks USAA, kad sam ispunio upitnik teta koja mi je radila aplikaciju reče da ja nisam White već FN, Caucasian i objasni zašto.
Teta ne zna o cemu govori.
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#4253 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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pici wrote: 01/11/2020 17:27
Bijelci predstavljaju većinu stanovništva SAD, s ukupno 223.553.265 ili 72,4% ukupne populacije po popisu stanovništva iz 2010. godine. Od toga su 16,5% Nijemci, 11,9% Irci, 9,0% Englezi, 5,8% Talijani, 4% Francuzi, 3% Poljaci, 1,9% Škoti, 1,6% Nizozemci, 1,5% Norvežani i 1,4% Šveđani.
Ove etnicke podjele su poprilicno nebulozne. Velika vecina bijelaca u Americi vodi uglavnom porijeklo sa britnaskog otocja, medjutim vecina njih se ne izjasnjava bas ko "Englezi", vec prosto kao Amerikanci. Neki ljudi ovo citaju i pogresno zakljucuju da je najvise americkih bijelaca njemackog porijekla. Naravno, velika vecina je miks svega i svacega.
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#4254 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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kakva je to kaubojska država gdje se ljudi kategoriziraju prema boji kože :-) i to ne čak prema boji kože, već ono malo i kao Latino, nisi bijel, nisi žut, nisi ni Indijanac

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#4255 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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Pensilvanija prvo broji lisitće na dan izbora, a tek onda ove poštom i ranije. Tamo će Trump vjerovatno u utorak imati prednost i proglasiti pobjedu u toj državi, a šta mislite kaakv će haos napravit ako ga ovaj prestigne
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#4256 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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corolla02 wrote: 01/11/2020 17:08 eto vec se dogadja, florida zaboravljeni glasovi, katastrofa je malo reci...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 54257.html
Nadam se da Florida nece na kraju ni biti bitna. :-)

Nego, citam na 538, daju samo 10% sansi Trumpu da pobijedi. Prije 4 godine su mu davali 30%. :-?
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#4257 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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bhnapoleon1 wrote: 01/11/2020 17:56 Pensilvanija prvo broji lisitće na dan izbora, a tek onda ove poštom i ranije. Tamo će Trump vjerovatno u utorak imati prednost i proglasiti pobjedu u toj državi, a šta mislite kaakv će haos napravit ako ga ovaj prestigne
Nadam se da ni Pennsylvania na kraju nece biti bitna. :P

Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, i jedan poen iz Mainea ili Nebraske, i haaaajmo. :D
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#4258 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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jeza u ledja wrote: 01/11/2020 17:57
corolla02 wrote: 01/11/2020 17:08 eto vec se dogadja, florida zaboravljeni glasovi, katastrofa je malo reci...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 54257.html
Nadam se da Florida nece na kraju ni biti bitna. :-)

Nego, citam na 538, daju samo 10% sansi Trumpu da pobijedi. Prije 4 godine su mu davali 30%. :-?
ja ba, sakriveni glasovi u fl to je za alarm u najmanju ruku; razumijem sakrivene glasove u ca ili al, ono nije bitno, ali u fl ili drugim "purple" jedinicama se ne smije dogadjati

jos, pratio sam par republikanaca u posljednja dva dana i oni su optimisticni veoma; tako da treba sacekati, i moglo bi do ponovnog prebrojavanja ili suda opet doci sve ovo...

opet, svaki glas je bitan i ako ne glasa,s nemas se sta buniti :mrgreen:
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#4259 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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BrziGonzales wrote: 01/11/2020 09:52
mO k3 wrote: 01/11/2020 09:11 Postavio sam prije par mjeseci priču u profesoru koji je tačno znao kon će da pobijedi tako da je zadnjih 6 predsjednika bio u pravu kroz neke njegove parametre ...
https://amp.index.hr/article/2220430/ov ... aze-danas
Po njemu je Biden bliži pobjedi, ali postoji ograda...
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#4261 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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Znaci, pocelo je :mrgreen:
Sarah je bila u pravu.
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#4262 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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bunk wrote: 01/11/2020 19:41 Znaci, pocelo je :mrgreen:
Sarah je bila u pravu.
Sta je pocelo?
The Purge? :o

:D
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Vrhovni sud Teksasa odbio republikanski zahtjev za poništenjem 126000 u harris county
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jeza u ledja wrote: 01/11/2020 20:17
bunk wrote: 01/11/2020 19:41 Znaci, pocelo je :mrgreen:
Sarah je bila u pravu.
Sta je pocelo?
The Purge? :o

:D
Sarah Connor-Terminator,
a poceo je rise of the machines.
Danas okrece burgere sutra... :mrgreen: ono od Boston dynamicsa ne smijem ni gledati :lol:
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bunk wrote: 01/11/2020 20:45
jeza u ledja wrote: 01/11/2020 20:17
bunk wrote: 01/11/2020 19:41 Znaci, pocelo je :mrgreen:
Sarah je bila u pravu.
Sta je pocelo?
The Purge? :o

:D
Sarah Connor-Terminator,
a poceo je rise of the machines.
Danas okrece burgere sutra... :mrgreen: ono od Boston dynamicsa ne smijem ni gledati :lol:
Sve će to Donald srediti.. Believe me, it was the best robot ever.

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bhnapoleon1 wrote: 01/11/2020 20:19 Vrhovni sud Teksasa odbio republikanski zahtjev za poništenjem 126000 u harris county
Sta oni misle fakat? Tako tek ukrasti 120k glasova? :-)
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u sljedećih 5 fo 10 godina amerika neće imati samo 2 ozbiljne stranke, republikanska će se raspasti na frakcije
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#4268 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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Kazu sto ne izvjestava mainstream media...
Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails
The complaints from President Donald Trump and his allies have been growing louder as the election approaches: Why isn’t the mainstream media covering the Hunter Biden laptop story?
Trump and his allies say there is evidence of corruption in emails and documents allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Democrat Joe Biden’s son. They say those and other documents show that Hunter Biden used his father’s influence to enrich himself through business deals in Ukraine and China, and that his father not only facilitated that, but may have benefited financially.
But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.
As to Ukraine, a single email published by the New York Post suggests Joe Biden may have had a meeting with a representative of a Ukrainian company that employed his son. Trump and his allies alleged that means Joe Biden has lied when he said he never discussed his son’s business roles. The Biden campaign denies the meeting happened.
The lack of major new revelations is perhaps the biggest reason the story has not gotten traction, but not the only one. Among others: Most mainstream news organizations, including NBC News, have not been granted access to the documents. NBC News asked by email, text, phone call and certified mail, and was ultimately denied.
And, although no evidence has emerged that the documents are the product of Russian disinformation, as some experts initially suggested, many questions remain about how the materials got into the hands of Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who has met with Russian agents in his effort to dig dirt on the Bidens.
U.S. intelligence agencies have informed the White House that Giuliani has been in contact with alleged Russian intelligence agents. The FBI has been looking into whether the Russians played any role, and no official has ruled that out.
At the same time, dozens of former intelligence officials have said the story has the hallmarks of a Russian intelligence operation. After the election interference of 2016, the news media is especially wary of doing anything to further an effort by a foreign government to intervene in a presidential campaign.
Another factor tamping down coverage of the story is that there isn’t much new in what the laptop documents appear to reveal. The allegation that Hunter Biden has traded on his family name has been thoroughly explored in previous news stories, including a lengthy New Yorker investigation last year in which Robert Weissman, the president of the advocacy group Public Citizen, said, “It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Hunter’s foreign employers and partners were seeking to leverage Hunter’s relationship with Joe, either by seeking improper influence or to project access to him.” Reports published while the elder Biden was still vice president raised ethical questions about the Burisma deal.
While the question of whether Joe Biden enabled his son to profit from the vice president’s influence is relevant to the presidential campaign, issues of balance and proportionality also come into play.
Trump, according to the same good government advocates who have criticized Hunter Biden, is ethically challenged when it comes to appearing to use the power of his office to enrich himself and his family. David Farenthold of The Washington Post has used federal and other records to calculate that the federal government has spent at least $2.5 million on food and lodging at Trump properties since Trump took office. Earlier this month, Ben Sasse, a Republican senator from Nebraska who is up for re-election, told supporters that Trump’s family “has treated the presidency like a business opportunity.”
Yet stories about Trump’s children and their business dealings are not dominating the news cycle in the days before the election, because they have already been covered, just as the Hunter Biden story has been covered. (Trump’s tax information, on the other hand, has been covered extensively by The New York Times, because the secret tax data obtained by the newspaper revealed important new information about his tax payments and his business dealings.)
'No role for Joe Biden'
The first story about the Hunter Biden laptop appeared in the New York Post, a conservative tabloid. One of the bylines was that of a former producer for Fox News pundit Sean Hannity.
The New York Times reported that a Post reporter who did much of the work declined to allow his byline to appear on the story.
The Times also reported that the Trump campaign initially shopped the story to the Wall Street Journal, hoping that a mainstream news organization would validate their assertions that the documents hinted at corruption.
The Journal didn’t do that.
The Journal published a story focusing on claims about an alleged deal proposal in China — claims made by a former Hunter Biden associate named Tony Bobulinski, who came forward after the laptop story broke to say that the senior Biden was well aware of his son’s arrangements.
After examining text messages provided by Bobulinski, the Journal reported that “the venture — set up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaign — never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records…show no role for Joe Biden.”
Fox News, meanwhile said it “reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese.”
An NBC News correspondent asked Bobulinski for an interview and for copies of documents in his possession, but he declined.
“All of your questions will be answered on Tucker Carlson tonight,” Bobulinski wrote on Oct. 27.
On air, to make his case that Joe Biden was involved in his son’s business dealings, Bobulinski described an encounter he says he had with the senior Biden.
At a meeting in May 2017 in Los Angeles, Bobulinski says Hunter Biden introduced him to the former vice president, saying: “This is Tony, dad, the individual I told you about that's helping us with the business we are working and the Chinese.”
Even if that statement was made, it says very little about how much Joe Biden knew, and nothing about whether he was involved.
The Biden campaign has denied that Biden knew about the venture or stood to profit from it.
The laptop
NBC News has sought to obtain the documents on the alleged Hunter Biden laptop, but has been rebuffed.
An NBC News correspondent sent a letter two weeks ago to Giuliani, seeking copies of the materials.
His lawyer, Robert Costello, granted the correspondent the opportunity to review some Hunter Biden emails and other materials in person. The materials included copies of Hunter Biden identification documents that appeared to be genuine. But without taking possession of the copies, it was not possible to conduct the sort of forensic analysis that might help authenticate the emails and documents.
It was Giuliani who ultimately told NBC News he would not be providing a copy of the hard drive. NBC News responded by asking if, instead of a full copy of the hard drive, he could just provide copies of the full set of emails. Giuliani did not agree to that proposal. NBC News then declined an offer of copies of a small group of emails.
NBC News has also requested the documents from Republicans on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, but has not received a response.
Key questions remain about the origins of the laptop and how it got into Giuliani’s hands.
The owner of a computer repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware, John Paul Mac Isaac, has said a man he believes was Hunter Biden left a water-damaged Apple computer at his shop in April 2019 for repairs and data recovery.
But Biden never retrieved the machine, Mac Isaac has said, and at some point he began to examine the data. He said he found material that disturbed him, though he has never publicly explained what that was. His lawyer said he contacted the FBI, which ultimately served a grand jury subpoena for the laptop and a hard drive.
After hearing nothing from the FBI for months, Mac Isaac said he grew frustrated and turned a copy of the laptop’s contents over to Giuliani’s lawyer.
A representative for Giuliani said one of Giuliani’s companies received an e-mail from Mac Isaac saying he had the laptop and thought Giuliani should be aware of its contents. The representative said Mac Isaac provided a copy of the hard drive to Giuliani’s team.
According to the representative, Mac Isaac said he wrote to Giuliani’s team after trying to reach out to Republican members of Congress without success.
Giuliani’s attorney said Mac Isaac did not ask for or receive payment for the copy of the drive.
The subpoena, which was published by the New York Post, was signed by a federal prosecutor in the U.S. attorney’s office in Wilmington.
A photo of a receipt provided to Mac Isaac by FBI agents was published on the Fox News website. It contained an FBI code, 272D, which the bureau uses to signify an investigation into money laundering where the unlawful activity is unknown.
U.S. officials have refused to explain why they seized the laptops and what, if anything, they are investigating.
NBC News attempted to speak to Mac Isaac, but he did not respond to requests for comment. NBC News published an article quoting responses he had given to The Daily Beast. His lawyer then sent NBC News a letter that said, “Your network and affiliates should cease any further discussion of Mr. Mac Isaac as much of the information you are presenting is false.”
James Rosen, a reporter for the conservative-leaning Sinclair Broadcast Group, the nation's largest operator of local television stations, reported this week that a Justice Department official told him the FBI had opened a criminal investigation into Hunter Biden and his associates last year focused on allegations of money-laundering — and that the probe remains active.
NBC News has not confirmed any such investigation.
Rosen also reported that the FBI interviewed former Biden associate Bobulinski last week.
A senior law enforcement official told NBC News that Bobulinski initiated the interview.
Bobulinski said the FBI told him he’s “listed as a material witness,” but law enforcement officials say the FBI does not use that term in this context.
Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, did not respond to a request for comment by NBC News. He has not asserted — nor has the Biden campaign — that the laptop did not belong to Hunter Biden.
If he did leave the machine in Delaware, it would have marked at least the second time he has left behind a laptop.
According to two people familiar with the matter, a different Hunter Biden laptop landed in the custody of the DEA in February when they executed a search warrant on the Massachusetts office of a psychiatrist accused of professional misconduct. The psychiatrist has not been charged with a crime.
Hunter Biden was not a target of the search or the investigation, and his lawyer ultimately got his laptop back. It’s not clear why his computer was left in the doctor’s office.
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#4269 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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Baza ce popusiti pricu.
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Ukoliko su ankete tačne, čak i ako imaju veću grešku od marigine, stvar je što Trump mora da ne samo privuče neutralne nego da od Bidena oduzme glasače, što je ipak malo teže.
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Da, prosle izbore ovi sto su bili za Bernia dosta njih nije glasalo za Hilary dali su glas nekom drugom, pa eto u Micigenu onaj iz trece partije dobio je preko 100 000 glasova, i jos neka sto je bila. Bilo je blizu 200 000 glasova koji su otisli "bezveze". A Hilary je izgubila Micigen za nekih 10tak hiljada. Ovaj put su svi za Bidena od demokrata, nema sanse da glasaju za nekog drugog.
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Kontam, nisu valjda toliko glupi da ga opet izaberu? Pitanje za ove koji su tamo, je li postoji konkretno nesto dobro sto je Trump uradio protekle 4 godine?
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#4273 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020

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Bio je to poseban period.
4 godine.
Najbolje 4 godine ikad.
U istoriji.
Biden je komunista i kinez. I rus.
Ukinuce Bozic i NG.
Serif iz Portlanda.
MAGA
I onda ovakav lik postane predsjednik najjace sile na planeti.
Mi u BiH nismo lose proslu u 4 godine ali nadam se i uzdam u ovaj masovni izlazak te da ce ga Biden pobijedit.
Jer znam da ce BiH profitirati i napredovati puno puno brze nego ako Trump ostane jos 4 godine.
Ponavljam,nije nam Trump nastetio,dapace ali ipak promjena nam donosi cizme od 7 milja.
In God we trust.
I love America.
Sretno nam svima na Zemlji.
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Meni ovako laički, bez nekog udubljivanja, izgleda kao da Amerikanci sutra biraju između Dodika i Šefika Džaferovića.
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Laertes wrote: 02/11/2020 13:31 Meni ovako laički, bez nekog udubljivanja, izgleda kao da Amerikanci sutra biraju između Dodika i Šefika Džaferovića.
Meni je sefik vise ko mike pence :D
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