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bunk wrote: ↑27/03/2020 08:15
A koga da se testira da imamo i milion testova?
Od vrata do vrata kucat i testirat?
Sta cemo dobiti sa tim?
1500 klastera i paniku da ce brat pucat na brata.
Ovo za sad kako se radi je u datoj situaciji ok.
Zayebi WHO i njihove preporuke.
Znali su za postojanje koronavirusa 50 godina ,znali su koje zivotinje su nosioci.
I gdje se te zivotinje koriste u ishrani.
Kad je ybni WHO javno iznio pricu o tome da ce nam kinezi ovo uradit samo zato jer su pesini ?
Nikad.
A to im je posao. Da djeluju preventivno.
Sad nakon ovoga mozemo samo cekat koje ce naredno govno kinezi pojesti pa zarazit planet...
I jos kad procitam kako kinezi pomazu nekome protiv zaraze...
poslije ovog naći će oni lijek
farmaceutska industrija prije ovog nije uopšte radila na lijeku za masovnu upotrebu za slične bolesti jer nije bilo komercijalno
Mi dobili na poslu sredstvo sa 70% alkohola ima vec 20-tak dana kod mene ruke pecene koda sam krecom polio... Mazem melemom sad svaki dan sve se lijepi za ruke sad
Perite ruke obicnim sapunom. Alkohol i ta sredstva samo ako nema druge opcije.
Što se posla tiče, trenutno radim s latex rukavicama na rukama.
Ujutro kada dođem na posao ide pranje ruku, dezinfekcija, posušim ruke i nabacim rukavice.
Idem u WC - operem ruke "sa sve rukavicama". Izlazim iz WC-a - ista stvar. Imam bočicu dezinfekcionog sredstva - sa njime nekoliko puta dnevno malo protrljam po rukavicama.
2 puta dnevno ih promijenim dok sam na poslu.
Biće mi čudno jednog dana kada sve ovo prođe raditi bilo šta bez rukavica i maske.
GAU8 wrote: ↑27/03/2020 08:22
@ćiribiribela da li je zadnjih dana pojačan priliv novih pacijenata u vaske, da kažemo s komplikacijama na plućima? Jeste li na limitu ili ima još lufta?
Ma jok, kod nas ukupno 5 potvrdjenih slucajeva. Totalno opusteno
ćiribiribela wrote: ↑26/03/2020 22:06
Mozete sjediti u istoj prostoriji sa zarazenom osobom sat vremena i necete se zaraziti ako ste imali razmak >1,5m. #justsayin
Ovo nije striktno tačno, zavisi od vremena provedenog u tom prostoru i još nekih parametara.
Ja dijelim informacije koje dobijem na poslu od strucnjaka, ne izmisljam nista. Ako nije tacno, bilo bi fino da napises od kojih parametara jos zavisi.
Person-to-person spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is thought to occur mainly via respiratory droplets, resembling the spread of influenza. With droplet transmission, virus released in the respiratory secretions when a person with infection coughs, sneezes, or talks can infect another person if it makes direct contact with the mucous membranes; infection can also occur if a person touches an infected surface and then touches his or her eyes, nose, or mouth.
Ostane u zraku kao aerosol do 3 sata, a u bolničkom okruženju do 8 sati (ne mogu da nađem link).
Droplets typically do not travel more than six feet (about two meters) and do not linger in the air; however, in one letter to the editor, SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols under experimental conditions for at least three hours
Sad logika. Znači ako se povećeava koncentracija aerosola - veće su šanse za prenos. To se može dogoditi ako se fizički približiš tom "oblaku" ili se taj "oblak" povećava time što inficirani duže govori ili diše. Ako je prostor zatvoren ili sa slabom ventilacijom, to su šanse za prenos su veće. Provedeno vrijeme utiče na količinu virusa koja može dospjeti do tvoje sluzokože, pa i time utiče na vjerovatnoću infekcije. Ako je strujanje zraka od zaražene osobe prema tebi opet se povećava vjerovatnoća zaraze, itd. Jednostavna anlaogija je kada se neko namiriše parfemom, kako to ovisi o njihovoj udaljenosti i drugim okolnostima pod kojima taj parfem možeš namirisati.
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sumirprimus wrote: ↑27/03/2020 08:48
jarane cim si ti trljo ruke domestosom?
rukavice i sapun pranje ruku i posteno to je to..
Trljaj ti vise puta dnevno dezinfekcionim pa ces vidjeti.
trljam par put preko rukavica.
koristi rukavice druze manje ce ti ruke stradat, ozibljno.
Ma ovo je samo jedan dan bilo, vec sad je normala s rukama, ozb. Mozda sam taj dan malo pretjerao....jbg strah. Na aerodromu radim, jebene kofere uzimam....
Gordon Brown pozvao je svjetske lidere da stvore privremeni oblik globalne vlade za borbu protiv medicinske i ekonomske krize uzrokovane pandemijom Covid-19.
Interesantan prijedlog “borbe” protiv ovog “opasnog virusa” za one koji hoće malo da čitaju između redova...
Sljedeći prijedlog je vjerovatno ukidanje keša, uvođenje videonadzora. Granica na gore ne postoji. Moderno ropstvo kuca na vrata.... A fino nam čika Orwell opisao šta nas čeka.....
'Bez obzira na sve, virusi poput ovog ispitat će otpornost čak i najopremljenijih zdravstvenih sustava', kazao je Nahid Bhadelia, infektolog sa Sveučilišta Boston. Mnogo zarazniji i smrtonosniji od uobičajenih sezonskih influenza, novi koronavirus pokazao se i mnogo otpornijim te se širi s jednog domaćina na drugog i po nekoliko dana prije nego izazove prve simptome. Da bi se obuzdao ovakav patogen, zemlje moraju razviti testove kojima će identificirati zaražene, izolirati ih i pratiti s kime su došli u kontakt. To je ono što su Južna Koreja, Singapur i Hong Kong učinili uz odlične rezultate. I to je ono što Amerika nije učinila, piše Yong za The Atlantic.
Odgovor jednog od korisnika Quora internet stranice vezano za situaciju u Italiji, kao što je autor i sam naveo ovo je samo mišljenje jedne osobe i možete a i ne morate se sa njom slagati.
Why is Italy doing so badly at containing the Coronavirus? They have more cases than anywhere outside of China.
Sudipan Saha
Sudipan Saha, In Italy since last 3 years
Updated Mon · Upvoted by David Chan, MD from UCLA, Stanford Oncology Fellowship
I will answer this question from the perspective of an expat who has lived in Italy for the last three years. Here are my credentials to answer this question:
Contrary to some answered here, I have actually lived in Italy for some time, and still live in Italy on the date this answer is written.
Not being Italian, I am able to disassociate myself from any kind of emotional need to defend the Italian people.
Italy has a high value in Western civilization, making a lot of Western, non-Italian people unwilling to criticize Italy. I do not belong to that category either.
Being a researcher, I believe I have some analytical skills.
Now coming to my answer, here are my points (in no particular order):
Italians have a “chill” or “cool” way of doing things, that works ok (without much chaos) in normal time. In fact, this cool attitude is one thing that many foreigners love about the Italian people. However, this “cool” attitude tends to backfire during a time of emergency.
The country has strong political polarization, with most people keen to blame everything on right wing (or left wing, depending on the person’s beliefs) politicians. With this perspective, people normally see political intent even in a response to disease outbreak. Thus, they act slowly.
Though direct flights from China were banned by the end of January, the flow of Chinese people (by direct or indirect flight) continued for quite some time. This flow included both tourists and people coming for other occupational reasons (which, in my opinion, could have been avoided).
When the outbreak initially happened in the Lombardia and Veneto regions, response of people was sluggish even in other regions near to it. In my opinion, the government gave sufficient warning, but the common people (with their cool attitude) did not act upon those warnings. Some said, “it is just another flu,” and some just did not want to sacrifice their evening aperitivo, no matter what happened. Some laughed at people wearing gloves.
In my opinion, Italy’s healthcare infrastructure is not sufficient. That doesn’t cause a problem in normal times, probably because of their good genetics and overall healthy lifestyles. Unlike Northern European countries, Italy has a warmer climate. Unlike many warm Asian countries, Italy does not suffer from tropical ailments. Thus, it may take weeks to get a doctor’s appointment here. This doesn't have much negative impact in normal times, but what about in time of a disaster? If we look at this link: Nurses and midwives (per 1,000 people), the number of nurses and midwives per 1000 people for neighbour Germany is 13.2, while in Italy it is 5.9. The number of hospital beds per 1000 people in neighbour Germany is 8.3 (Hospital beds (per 1,000 people)), while in Italy it is 3.2 (US has fewer hospital beds than Italy per capita).
Some people are trying to compare Italy with China, or Italy with the US, and trying to prove that how Italy has got some indices better than those countries. That sort of analysis is not accurate, since Italy, China, and the US all have complete different socio-economic, healthcare, and political structure. I can make it a bit dramatic by saying that there is a “continental drift” between these entities. If a comparison has to be made, it should be made with neighboring EU countries, that fairly follow similar governance and socio-economic policies.
This answer is for information purposes only. You may agree or disagree with my answer, however there is no point in debating. Hence, I will disable comment for this answer.
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