Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

[sinuhe]

Zavisi to i od generalne spremnosti zdravstvenog sistema kao i od toga gdje se virus zavukao. Onaj covjek iz Istre je vrlo lako mogao biti i spasen.

[skafiskafsnjak]

Bitno da su granice zatvorene i da dijaspora ne prilazi..

Trazit cete vi dijasporu

[statixx]

Holandija 2400 zarazenih i 76 mrtvih, Svicarska 4800 zarazenih i 43 mrtvih,Njemacka 18250 zarazenih i 48 mrtvih. Meni samo ovo nije jasno, kako?!

Pogledaj brojeve oporavljenih. Holandija 2, Svicarska 15, Njemacka 115. Sve evropske zemlje osim Italije i donekle Francuske i Spanije se jos uvijek nalaze u prvom talasu zaraze.

Sigurno je vise mladih zarazeno, a negdje je pisalo da ne testiraju umrle u samoizolaciji. Npr. covjek koji je jucer umro u Istri ne bi usao u statistiku, iako se pokazalo da je pozitivan. U Lombardiji su mnogi starci umrli u kucama, ali su bili naknadno testirani.

[malakh]

čak 40% italijana se ne pridržava uputa izdatih od strane nadležnih institucija i ako su im kinezi apelirali da se strogo drže pravila. možda je to ključni razlog za kritično stanje u italiji. sad to čuh na n1.

[oaza85]

Pa da jbt, na kraju kad sve saberes, ni izolacija nije spas. Jedino da u balonu zivis.

U kupovinu moras, od zraka se ne zivi, sve sto kupis moze na sebi imati virus, dohvatis rukohvat ili korpu u granapu tamo moze biti virus. Uneses u kucu, moras prati sve sto si kupio, ali hljeb ne mozes. Ako je vise ljudi u kuci, onaj sto ide vani, unijece virus ovako ili onako. Ne mozes po kuci hodati sa maskom i rukavicama, ukratko mozes se zaraziti kiflom koju si kupio negdje vani.

Ljudi u izolaciji, obilazi ih policija, nose maske, ali "pomazu li maske zaista?"

Ne znas vise kako se ponasati, jedan kaze jedno drugi drugo, svi nekakvi strucnjaci, imunolozi, svaki svoju pricu vrti. Ovo je definitivno opasnije po mozak.

Ovo se i ja iz dana u dan pitam. Ono sto mi preostaje jest radit sto mogu da se pazim a ako me utrefi, utrfilo me.
Sta da ja tu sad radim. Moram izac iz kuce na posao, u ducan u apoteku. Ruke su mi stalno u alkoholu, auto spricam non stop kao i sve po radnom mjestu. Kolegice non stop i brisu pod asepsolom.. jedina prava izolacija je ostat u kuci i izlazit na balkon ili dvoriste na sunce kao prirodan dezinficijens.

Svako izlazenje van na ulicu je riskantno.

Ja gledam po sebi, imam nesvjesne radnje.. primanje kvaka, tipki na liftu, preblizu nekome, doticem stvari, predmete.. novac, karticu.. trgovac prima moju karticu, odlazem novcanik na metalnu povrsinu pa u ruku pa u torbu

A jbte ili cemo izludit od toga svega il odjebat sve

Peres ruke, ne diras lice, i bices ok.
Sem ako ti neko ne kihne u facu.

[Mogy87]

Vec je krenula studija pod nazivom "Vitamin C Infusion for the Treatment of Severe 2019-nCoV Infected Pneumonia"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533

Da, studija (hipoteza). Za sada nema niti jedan naucni dokument da vitamin C ima ikakav ucinak na COVID-19 i/ili prehladu/gripu. Uz to, ako obratis paznju, u clanku pise:

Vitamin C, also known as ascorbic acid, has antioxidant properties. When sepsis happens, the cytokine surge caused by sepsis is activated, and neutrophils in the lungs accumulate in the lungs, destroying alveolar capillaries. Early clinical studies have shown that vitamin C can effectively prevent this process. In addition, vitamin C can help to eliminate alveolar fluid by preventing the activation and accumulation of neutrophils, and reducing alveolar epithelial water channel damage. At the same time, vitamin C can prevent the formation of neutrophil extracellular traps, which is a biological event of vascular injury caused by neutrophil activation.

Sepsa je prilicno ozbiljno stanje iz kojeg se manjina izvuce. Ako se spesa dovodi u vezu s upalom pluca, onda se tu radi o pacijentima koji vec, kako rekose za pokojnog Papu, dodiruju Boga.

doktore odmori malo. puno pametujes

The effect of daily administration of placebo or 200 or 500 mg. tablets of vitamin C on symptom association and on the incidence, duration, severity, and total intensity of the symptoms in the common cold has been studied. The metabolism of ascorbic acid during the common cold, and after disappearance of all the symptoms, has been investigated by examining the plasma and leucocyte ascorbic-acid concentrations after a loading dose of 500 mg. vitamin C. Cold symptoms tend to dissociate into toxic and catarrhal complexes, the complexity and frequency of which differ between boys and klix. Vitamin C reduces symptom association and alters the frequency of toxic and catarrhal complexes. It significantly reduces the severity and total intensity of colds in klix, but does not benefit cold symptoms in boys at a daily dose of 500 mg. During colds, especially of the catarrhal variety, ascorbic acid is transferred out of the leucocytes into the plasma, where it is rapidly metabolised in both sexes, but this effect is more pronounced in females. There is a significant positive correlation between metabolic utilisation of ascorbic acid during colds and intensity of cold symptoms.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 2/fulltext

Background: An ever increasing demand to evaluate the effect of dietary supplements on specific health conditions by use of a “significant scientific” standard has prompted the publication of this study. Objective: To study the effect of megadose Vitamin C in preventing and relieving cold and flu symptoms in a test group compared with a control group. Design: Prospective, controlled study of students in a technical training facility. Subjects: A total of 463 students ranging in age from 18 to 32 years made up the control group. A total of 252 students ranging in age from 18 to 30 years made up the experimental or test group. Method: Investigators tracked the number of reports of cold and flu symptoms among the 1991 test population of the facility compared with the reports of like symptoms among the 1990 control population. Those in the control population reporting symptoms were treated with pain relievers and decongestants, whereas those in the test population reporting symptoms were treated with hourly doses of 1000 mg of Vitamin C for the first 6 hours and then 3 times daily thereafter. Those not reporting symptoms in the test group were also administered 1000-mg doses 3 times daily. Results: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C. Conclusion: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group. (J Manipulative Physiol Ther 1999;22:530–3)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5499700059

All of this evidence confirms the effectiveness of ascorbic acid against viral infections. Based on the positive outcome in this case, we propose that Intravenous Vitamin C should be studied as a vital component of the treatment protocol for acute viral infections.
https://isom.ca/article/high-dose-vitam ... se-report/

Overall, vitamin C appears to exert a multitude of beneficial effects on cellular functions of both the innate and adaptive immune system. Although vitamin C is a potent antioxidant protecting the body against endogenous and exogenous oxidative challenges, it is likely that its action as a cofactor for numerous biosynthetic and gene regulatory enzymes plays a key role in its immune-modulating effects. Vitamin C stimulates neutrophil migration to the site of infection, enhances phagocytosis and oxidant generation, and microbial killing. At the same time, it protects host tissue from excessive Nutrients 2017, 9, 1211 13 of 25 damage by enhancing neutrophil apoptosis and clearance by macrophages, and decreasing neutrophil necrosis and NETosis. Thus, it is apparent that vitamin C is necessary for the immune system to mount and sustain an adequate response against pathogens, whilst avoiding excessive damage to the host. Vitamin C appears to be able to both prevent and treat respiratory and systemic infections by enhancing various immune cell functions. Prophylactic prevention of infection requires dietary vitamin C intakes that provide at least adequate, if not saturating plasma levels (i.e., 100–200 mg/day), which optimize cell and tissue levels. In contrast, treatment of established infections requires significantly higher (gram) doses of the vitamin to compensate for the increased metabolic demand. Epidemiological studies indicate that hypovitaminosis C is still relatively common in Western populations, and vitamin C deficiency is the fourth leading nutrient deficiency in the United
States. Reasons include reduced intake combined with limited body stores. Increased needs occur due to pollution and smoking, fighting infections, and diseases with oxidative and inflammatory components, e.g., type 2 diabetes, etc. Ensuring adequate intake of vitamin C through the diet or via
supplementation, especially in groups such as the elderly or in individuals exposed to risk factors for vitamin C insufficiency, is required for proper immune function and resistance to infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... -01211.pdf

Evo odgovora dr. Roberta Buironija na ovo pitanje koje su gledatelji postavili. Gospodin je jedan od najboljih virologa na svijetu.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f8en8mHP4MQ

Video je na Italijanskom jeziku, ako koga zanima mogu staviti i sa titlovima.
Tako da, doktor je u pravu.

[ćiribiribela]

Njemacka se priprema za potpunu zabranu izlaska. Bolje i to nego da se ovo jos mjesecima razvlaci. 10x je opasnije ovo sto mediji objavljuju nego sam virus, i dok se vakcina zavrsi i corona ce postati jednako bitna koliko i gripa. Ostanite kod kuce!

[itekako]

Da, studija (hipoteza). Za sada nema niti jedan naucni dokument da vitamin C ima ikakav ucinak na COVID-19 i/ili prehladu/gripu. Uz to, ako obratis paznju, u clanku pise:

Vitamin C, also known as ascorbic acid, has antioxidant properties. When sepsis happens, the cytokine surge caused by sepsis is activated, and neutrophils in the lungs accumulate in the lungs, destroying alveolar capillaries. Early clinical studies have shown that vitamin C can effectively prevent this process. In addition, vitamin C can help to eliminate alveolar fluid by preventing the activation and accumulation of neutrophils, and reducing alveolar epithelial water channel damage. At the same time, vitamin C can prevent the formation of neutrophil extracellular traps, which is a biological event of vascular injury caused by neutrophil activation.

Sepsa je prilicno ozbiljno stanje iz kojeg se manjina izvuce. Ako se spesa dovodi u vezu s upalom pluca, onda se tu radi o pacijentima koji vec, kako rekose za pokojnog Papu, dodiruju Boga.

doktore odmori malo. puno pametujes

The effect of daily administration of placebo or 200 or 500 mg. tablets of vitamin C on symptom association and on the incidence, duration, severity, and total intensity of the symptoms in the common cold has been studied. The metabolism of ascorbic acid during the common cold, and after disappearance of all the symptoms, has been investigated by examining the plasma and leucocyte ascorbic-acid concentrations after a loading dose of 500 mg. vitamin C. Cold symptoms tend to dissociate into toxic and catarrhal complexes, the complexity and frequency of which differ between boys and klix. Vitamin C reduces symptom association and alters the frequency of toxic and catarrhal complexes. It significantly reduces the severity and total intensity of colds in klix, but does not benefit cold symptoms in boys at a daily dose of 500 mg. During colds, especially of the catarrhal variety, ascorbic acid is transferred out of the leucocytes into the plasma, where it is rapidly metabolised in both sexes, but this effect is more pronounced in females. There is a significant positive correlation between metabolic utilisation of ascorbic acid during colds and intensity of cold symptoms.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 2/fulltext

Background: An ever increasing demand to evaluate the effect of dietary supplements on specific health conditions by use of a “significant scientific” standard has prompted the publication of this study. Objective: To study the effect of megadose Vitamin C in preventing and relieving cold and flu symptoms in a test group compared with a control group. Design: Prospective, controlled study of students in a technical training facility. Subjects: A total of 463 students ranging in age from 18 to 32 years made up the control group. A total of 252 students ranging in age from 18 to 30 years made up the experimental or test group. Method: Investigators tracked the number of reports of cold and flu symptoms among the 1991 test population of the facility compared with the reports of like symptoms among the 1990 control population. Those in the control population reporting symptoms were treated with pain relievers and decongestants, whereas those in the test population reporting symptoms were treated with hourly doses of 1000 mg of Vitamin C for the first 6 hours and then 3 times daily thereafter. Those not reporting symptoms in the test group were also administered 1000-mg doses 3 times daily. Results: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C. Conclusion: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group. (J Manipulative Physiol Ther 1999;22:530–3)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5499700059

All of this evidence confirms the effectiveness of ascorbic acid against viral infections. Based on the positive outcome in this case, we propose that Intravenous Vitamin C should be studied as a vital component of the treatment protocol for acute viral infections.
https://isom.ca/article/high-dose-vitam ... se-report/

Overall, vitamin C appears to exert a multitude of beneficial effects on cellular functions of both the innate and adaptive immune system. Although vitamin C is a potent antioxidant protecting the body against endogenous and exogenous oxidative challenges, it is likely that its action as a cofactor for numerous biosynthetic and gene regulatory enzymes plays a key role in its immune-modulating effects. Vitamin C stimulates neutrophil migration to the site of infection, enhances phagocytosis and oxidant generation, and microbial killing. At the same time, it protects host tissue from excessive Nutrients 2017, 9, 1211 13 of 25 damage by enhancing neutrophil apoptosis and clearance by macrophages, and decreasing neutrophil necrosis and NETosis. Thus, it is apparent that vitamin C is necessary for the immune system to mount and sustain an adequate response against pathogens, whilst avoiding excessive damage to the host. Vitamin C appears to be able to both prevent and treat respiratory and systemic infections by enhancing various immune cell functions. Prophylactic prevention of infection requires dietary vitamin C intakes that provide at least adequate, if not saturating plasma levels (i.e., 100–200 mg/day), which optimize cell and tissue levels. In contrast, treatment of established infections requires significantly higher (gram) doses of the vitamin to compensate for the increased metabolic demand. Epidemiological studies indicate that hypovitaminosis C is still relatively common in Western populations, and vitamin C deficiency is the fourth leading nutrient deficiency in the United
States. Reasons include reduced intake combined with limited body stores. Increased needs occur due to pollution and smoking, fighting infections, and diseases with oxidative and inflammatory components, e.g., type 2 diabetes, etc. Ensuring adequate intake of vitamin C through the diet or via
supplementation, especially in groups such as the elderly or in individuals exposed to risk factors for vitamin C insufficiency, is required for proper immune function and resistance to infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... -01211.pdf

Evo odgovora dr. Roberta Buironija na ovo pitanje koje su gledatelji postavili. Gospodin je jedan od najboljih virologa na svijetu.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f8en8mHP4MQ

Video je na Italijanskom jeziku, ako koga zanima mogu staviti i sa titlovima.
Tako da, doktor je u pravu.

super, nemoj uzimati C vitamin. jedi hljeba kilama, makarona, konzervi, pastete, zapali kutiju dnevno, malo se napregni na poslu ili treningu i bice sve ok.
ni lud nemoj uzimati, dovoljno ga ima u cevapima, pizzi, hamburgeru, cipsu.....

[Mogy87]

doktore odmori malo. puno pametujes

Evo odgovora dr. Roberta Buironija na ovo pitanje koje su gledatelji postavili. Gospodin je jedan od najboljih virologa na svijetu.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f8en8mHP4MQ

Video je na Italijanskom jeziku, ako koga zanima mogu staviti i sa titlovima.
Tako da, doktor je u pravu.

super, nemoj uzimati C vitamin. jedi hljeba kilama, makarona, konzervi, pastete, zapali kutiju dnevno, malo se napregni na poslu ili treningu i bice sve ok.
ni lud nemoj uzimati, dovoljno ga ima u cevapima, pizzi, hamburgeru, cipsu.....

Pod broj jedan molim da zadrzimo diskusiju unutar granica pristojnog.
Da li si procitao sta dr. Buironi kaze? Zdtav zivot. C vitamin iz hrane. Niposto prekomjerna tezina, pusenje, nedostatak kretanja.
Molim te jos jednom procitaj sliku (odgovor) koji sam postavila. Hvala.

[Nadzorna_ploca]

Bitno da su granice zatvorene i da dijaspora ne prilazi..

Trazit cete vi dijasporu

Pozdrav momak iz dijaspore.

[splinter]

Čovjek govori u vanrednim okolnostima, gdje je organizam kolabirao ili u situacijama povećanog odgovora imunog sistema, nema vremena tad malo narezat salatice, cvkele, mrkve, pomorandži. Pucaj I.V i prouči šte. Naravno da C vitamin nije svemogući ne treba ići u drugu krajnost. I ruku na srce, al Talijani su sad zadnji na svijetu koji mi mogu popovat šta i kako oko COVID-a - 19. Imali su svoju šansu da spašavaju ljude i popu.šili.

[Dozer]

Sta vam nije jasno oko maske????

Pa nosi je brate mili, svi je trebaju nositi. I ako imas i nemas ili ne znas da imas sprijecit ces dalje sirenje kada pricas s nekim, kada prodjes pored nekoga ako nosis masku. Nije 10 000 KM pa da je ne mozes sebi kupiti, mozes je i napraviti.

Takodjer, kada je nosis sprecavas virus da ti udje u usta i u nos. Oci ostaju izlozene ali stavi i naocale, suncanice... i to je to.

Problem je sto ih nema za kupiti. A i gdje ima - ne daju (vjerovali ili ne). Kazu - samo za starije.

[Mogy87]

Čovjek govori u vanrednim okolnostima, gdje je organizam kolabirao ili u situacijama povećanog odgovora imunog sistema, nema vremena tad malo narezat salatice, cvkele, mrkve, pomorandži. Pucaj I.V i prouči šte. Naravno da C vitamin nije svemogući ne treba ići u drugu krajnost. I ruku na srce, al Talijani su sad zadnji na svijetu koji mi mogu popovat šta i kako oko COVID-a - 19. Imali su svoju šansu da spašavaju ljude i popu.šili.

Razumijete da neko ko je virolog (vecinu svoje karijere provede na modelima u laboratoriji) nema bas puno uticaja na stanje na terenu te svakako ne snosi odgovornost za situaciju u Italiji?

[splinter]

Čovjek govori u vanrednim okolnostima, gdje je organizam kolabirao ili u situacijama povećanog odgovora imunog sistema, nema vremena tad malo narezat salatice, cvkele, mrkve, pomorandži. Pucaj I.V i prouči šte. Naravno da C vitamin nije svemogući ne treba ići u drugu krajnost. I ruku na srce, al Talijani su sad zadnji na svijetu koji mi mogu popovat šta i kako oko COVID-a - 19. Imali su svoju šansu da spašavaju ljude i popu.šili.

Razumijete da neko ko je virolog (vecinu svoje karijere provede na modelima u laboratoriji) nema bas puno uticaja na stanje na terenu te svakako ne snosi odgovornost za situaciju u Italiji?

Naprotiv, upravo su on i klika oko njega urušili sustav zdrastva u Italiji. Trebali su odmah dati preporuke da se djeluje promptno. Ko će ih dati? Predsjednik Nogometnog saveza??
Znali su da virus dolazi iz Kine u Italiju čim krenu kolone i kolone aviona po završetku praznika u Kini. Jer stvarno toliko ima Kineza u Lombardiji, posebno Milanu da to nije normalno. Da ima gram morala, sakrio bi se u mišju rupu i odatle izašao kad sve prođe!

[GAU8]

Mada nas se ne tice direktno, ali mislim da ce USA uskoro preuzeti vodece mjesto po broju zaraza.
Doduse, ne mozemo bas porediti USA sa pojedinacnim drzavama u ostatku svijeta, ali ukupno gledano, Amerikanci trenutno imaju najbrzi rast.

[pustopoljina]

Sta vam nije jasno oko maske????

Pa nosi je brate mili, svi je trebaju nositi. I ako imas i nemas ili ne znas da imas sprijecit ces dalje sirenje kada pricas s nekim, kada prodjes pored nekoga ako nosis masku. Nije 10 000 KM pa da je ne mozes sebi kupiti, mozes je i napraviti.

Takodjer, kada je nosis sprecavas virus da ti udje u usta i u nos. Oci ostaju izlozene ali stavi i naocale, suncanice... i to je to.

Problem je sto ih nema za kupiti. A i gdje ima - ne daju (vjerovali ili ne). Kazu - samo za starije.

https://youtu.be/xN0HH2Zb2hY
https://youtu.be/dMI70shs0is
Pun youtube linkova na engl. Na njem. Na...

[Mogy87]

Čovjek govori u vanrednim okolnostima, gdje je organizam kolabirao ili u situacijama povećanog odgovora imunog sistema, nema vremena tad malo narezat salatice, cvkele, mrkve, pomorandži. Pucaj I.V i prouči šte. Naravno da C vitamin nije svemogući ne treba ići u drugu krajnost. I ruku na srce, al Talijani su sad zadnji na svijetu koji mi mogu popovat šta i kako oko COVID-a - 19. Imali su svoju šansu da spašavaju ljude i popu.šili.

Razumijete da neko ko je virolog (vecinu svoje karijere provede na modelima u laboratoriji) nema bas puno uticaja na stanje na terenu te svakako ne snosi odgovornost za situaciju u Italiji?

Naprotiv, upravo su on i klika oko njega urušili sustav zdrastva u Italiji. Trebali su odmah dati preporuke da se djeluje promptno. Ko će ih dati? Predsjednik Nogometnog saveza??
Znali su da virus dolazi iz Kine u Italiju čim krenu kolone i kolone aviona po završetku praznika u Kini. Jer stvarno toliko ima Kineza u Lombardiji, posebno Milanu da to nije normalno. Da ima gram morala, sakrio bi se u mišju rupu i odatle izašao kad sve prođe!

Koliko je do njega i ostalih ljekara, a koliko do ponasanja gradjana? Meni su mjere u BiH "na papiru" odlicne, a kako to izgleda u praksi?

[Cortado]

Vec je krenula studija pod nazivom "Vitamin C Infusion for the Treatment of Severe 2019-nCoV Infected Pneumonia"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533

Da, studija (hipoteza). Za sada nema niti jedan naucni dokument da vitamin C ima ikakav ucinak na COVID-19 i/ili prehladu/gripu. Uz to, ako obratis paznju, u clanku pise:

Vitamin C, also known as ascorbic acid, has antioxidant properties. When sepsis happens, the cytokine surge caused by sepsis is activated, and neutrophils in the lungs accumulate in the lungs, destroying alveolar capillaries. Early clinical studies have shown that vitamin C can effectively prevent this process. In addition, vitamin C can help to eliminate alveolar fluid by preventing the activation and accumulation of neutrophils, and reducing alveolar epithelial water channel damage. At the same time, vitamin C can prevent the formation of neutrophil extracellular traps, which is a biological event of vascular injury caused by neutrophil activation.

Sepsa je prilicno ozbiljno stanje iz kojeg se manjina izvuce. Ako se spesa dovodi u vezu s upalom pluca, onda se tu radi o pacijentima koji vec, kako rekose za pokojnog Papu, dodiruju Boga.

doktore odmori malo. puno pametujes

The effect of daily administration of placebo or 200 or 500 mg. tablets of vitamin C on symptom association and on the incidence, duration, severity, and total intensity of the symptoms in the common cold has been studied. The metabolism of ascorbic acid during the common cold, and after disappearance of all the symptoms, has been investigated by examining the plasma and leucocyte ascorbic-acid concentrations after a loading dose of 500 mg. vitamin C. Cold symptoms tend to dissociate into toxic and catarrhal complexes, the complexity and frequency of which differ between boys and klix. Vitamin C reduces symptom association and alters the frequency of toxic and catarrhal complexes. It significantly reduces the severity and total intensity of colds in klix, but does not benefit cold symptoms in boys at a daily dose of 500 mg. During colds, especially of the catarrhal variety, ascorbic acid is transferred out of the leucocytes into the plasma, where it is rapidly metabolised in both sexes, but this effect is more pronounced in females. There is a significant positive correlation between metabolic utilisation of ascorbic acid during colds and intensity of cold symptoms.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 2/fulltext

Background: An ever increasing demand to evaluate the effect of dietary supplements on specific health conditions by use of a “significant scientific” standard has prompted the publication of this study. Objective: To study the effect of megadose Vitamin C in preventing and relieving cold and flu symptoms in a test group compared with a control group. Design: Prospective, controlled study of students in a technical training facility. Subjects: A total of 463 students ranging in age from 18 to 32 years made up the control group. A total of 252 students ranging in age from 18 to 30 years made up the experimental or test group. Method: Investigators tracked the number of reports of cold and flu symptoms among the 1991 test population of the facility compared with the reports of like symptoms among the 1990 control population. Those in the control population reporting symptoms were treated with pain relievers and decongestants, whereas those in the test population reporting symptoms were treated with hourly doses of 1000 mg of Vitamin C for the first 6 hours and then 3 times daily thereafter. Those not reporting symptoms in the test group were also administered 1000-mg doses 3 times daily. Results: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C. Conclusion: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group. (J Manipulative Physiol Ther 1999;22:530–3)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5499700059

All of this evidence confirms the effectiveness of ascorbic acid against viral infections. Based on the positive outcome in this case, we propose that Intravenous Vitamin C should be studied as a vital component of the treatment protocol for acute viral infections.
https://isom.ca/article/high-dose-vitam ... se-report/

Overall, vitamin C appears to exert a multitude of beneficial effects on cellular functions of both the innate and adaptive immune system. Although vitamin C is a potent antioxidant protecting the body against endogenous and exogenous oxidative challenges, it is likely that its action as a cofactor for numerous biosynthetic and gene regulatory enzymes plays a key role in its immune-modulating effects. Vitamin C stimulates neutrophil migration to the site of infection, enhances phagocytosis and oxidant generation, and microbial killing. At the same time, it protects host tissue from excessive Nutrients 2017, 9, 1211 13 of 25 damage by enhancing neutrophil apoptosis and clearance by macrophages, and decreasing neutrophil necrosis and NETosis. Thus, it is apparent that vitamin C is necessary for the immune system to mount and sustain an adequate response against pathogens, whilst avoiding excessive damage to the host. Vitamin C appears to be able to both prevent and treat respiratory and systemic infections by enhancing various immune cell functions. Prophylactic prevention of infection requires dietary vitamin C intakes that provide at least adequate, if not saturating plasma levels (i.e., 100–200 mg/day), which optimize cell and tissue levels. In contrast, treatment of established infections requires significantly higher (gram) doses of the vitamin to compensate for the increased metabolic demand. Epidemiological studies indicate that hypovitaminosis C is still relatively common in Western populations, and vitamin C deficiency is the fourth leading nutrient deficiency in the United
States. Reasons include reduced intake combined with limited body stores. Increased needs occur due to pollution and smoking, fighting infections, and diseases with oxidative and inflammatory components, e.g., type 2 diabetes, etc. Ensuring adequate intake of vitamin C through the diet or via
supplementation, especially in groups such as the elderly or in individuals exposed to risk factors for vitamin C insufficiency, is required for proper immune function and resistance to infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... -01211.pdf

Ma bravo strucnjak. Iskopao si par clanaka da me pobijes. Kamo srece da si ih makar procitao prije nego li si ih zakacio ovdje. Od studije o razlicitom ucinku C vitamina kod djevojcica i djecaka iz 1973, pa primjene MEGA doze IV C vitamina od 1000 mg/sat, onda preporuke na osnovu anamneze jednog jedinog pacijenta do studije na 57 starijih osoba kod kojih je ustanovljen manjak C vitamina u krvnoj plazmi uslijed godina i bolesti. WOW!

[GAU8]

Čovjek govori u vanrednim okolnostima, gdje je organizam kolabirao ili u situacijama povećanog odgovora imunog sistema, nema vremena tad malo narezat salatice, cvkele, mrkve, pomorandži. Pucaj I.V i prouči šte. Naravno da C vitamin nije svemogući ne treba ići u drugu krajnost. I ruku na srce, al Talijani su sad zadnji na svijetu koji mi mogu popovat šta i kako oko COVID-a - 19. Imali su svoju šansu da spašavaju ljude i popu.šili.

Razumijete da neko ko je virolog (vecinu svoje karijere provede na modelima u laboratoriji) nema bas puno uticaja na stanje na terenu te svakako ne snosi odgovornost za situaciju u Italiji?

Naprotiv, upravo su on i klika oko njega urušili sustav zdrastva u Italiji. Trebali su odmah dati preporuke da se djeluje promptno. Ko će ih dati? Predsjednik Nogometnog saveza??
Znali su da virus dolazi iz Kine u Italiju čim krenu kolone i kolone aviona po završetku praznika u Kini. Jer stvarno toliko ima Kineza u Lombardiji, posebno Milanu da to nije normalno. Da ima gram morala, sakrio bi se u mišju rupu i odatle izašao kad sve prođe!

Drug, mozda su infektolizi upozoravali, ali vrh drzave nije zelio da slusa.
Po meni je WHO predsjednik veliki krivac.
Treba samo pogledati koliko se uvlaci u pakas kinezima, od samog imena virusa, do katastrofalnog oklijevanja pdoglasenja pandemije.
WHO je imao sukobe interesa sa ljudima koji vode ekonomiju... To se nije smjelo dopustiti

[splinter]

Razumijete da neko ko je virolog (vecinu svoje karijere provede na modelima u laboratoriji) nema bas puno uticaja na stanje na terenu te svakako ne snosi odgovornost za situaciju u Italiji?

Naprotiv, upravo su on i klika oko njega urušili sustav zdrastva u Italiji. Trebali su odmah dati preporuke da se djeluje promptno. Ko će ih dati? Predsjednik Nogometnog saveza??
Znali su da virus dolazi iz Kine u Italiju čim krenu kolone i kolone aviona po završetku praznika u Kini. Jer stvarno toliko ima Kineza u Lombardiji, posebno Milanu da to nije normalno. Da ima gram morala, sakrio bi se u mišju rupu i odatle izašao kad sve prođe!

Koliko je do njega i ostalih ljekara, a koliko do ponasanja gradjana? Meni su mjere u BiH "na papiru" odlicne, a kako to izgleda u praksi?

Slažem se 100%. Građani znaju biti velike seronje, hodaju bauljau i ne misle o drugima. Kažem tu se s tobom slažem 100 %

[cyprus]

Pa u ovim osnovnim preporukama se nije spominjala maska, nego pranje ruku, kihanje u lakat, nedodirivanje lica i tako to... Jel to sad i ona 'must have'? Malo sam zbunjen...

[GAU8]

Huh dobro je, nije (jos) totalna blokada kretanja.
https://www.mittelbayerische.de/bayern- ... erische.de

[Lincoln-Burrows]

Mada nas se ne tice direktno, ali mislim da ce USA uskoro preuzeti vodece mjesto po broju zaraza.
Doduse, ne mozemo bas porediti USA sa pojedinacnim drzavama u ostatku svijeta, ali ukupno gledano, Amerikanci trenutno imaju najbrzi rast.

U njih siromašni nemaju dostupno zdravstvo pa se ne mogu liječiti, samim time širioca zaraze će biti znatno više,
ne mislim da će oni biti vodeći već da će biti vodeći po registriranim slučajevima. Ima zemalja u svijetu koji ne
testiraju niti imaju ikakve mjere zaštite samim time ni ne objavljuju podatke.

[GAU8]

Pa u ovim osnovnim preporukama se nije spominjala maska, nego pranje ruku, kihanje u lakat, nedodirivanje lica i tako to... Jel to sad i ona 'must have'? Malo sam zbunjen...

Maska (obicna) ima najvise koristi da sprecava sirenje pljuvacke nositelja. Zato je uostalom nose ljekari i hirurzi ili ti kad dodjes u posjetu na onkologiju.

S druge strane nije toliko efikasna da sprijeci da se nositelj sam zarazi tj da sprijeci viruse izvana da prodru u nos i usta nositelja.

Dakle u teoriji, kada bi vecina ljudi nosila maske, to bi bila jako dobra zastita.
Vec ako pola populacije nosi, a poja ne, mozes macku o rep svezati...

Druga stvar su maske koje pokriju lice hermeticki, plus dodatna zastita za oci.

[freelancerBIH]

Njemacka se priprema za potpunu zabranu izlaska. Bolje i to nego da se ovo jos mjesecima razvlaci. 10x je opasnije ovo sto mediji objavljuju nego sam virus, i dok se vakcina zavrsi i corona ce postati jednako bitna koliko i gripa. Ostanite kod kuce!

Vakcine nema do iduce godine... Ovo ce ici u 2-3 vala ... Nadam se da ce ovaj prvi val sto prije zavrsit da se koliko-toliko mozemo vratit normalnom zivotu... I nadam se da ce nam ljeto kupiti vremena dok se ne pronadje adekvatan tretman i vakcina