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#5976 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Ommadawn wrote: 25/07/2022 00:14 Top 10 najvećih treš-pjesama iz bivše Jugoslavije
Koliko je diskografija u Jugoslaviji bila jaka poslednje dve decenije, pred raspad zemlje, najbolje se može videti po tome što je u tom periodu skoro pa svako mogao da izda album. Danas, zahvaljujući jeftinoj tehnici i internetu album može besblatno snimiti i izdati bukvalno svako, ali tada je to bilo komplikovano i skupo jer je diskografska kuća morala ozbiljno da uloži novac i tehnologiju u svaki projekat.
Više na: https://www.beforeafter.rs/muzika/top-10-yu-pop-tres/
Dovoljno je samo pročitati opise ovih pjesama da se naježiš i usput upišaš od smjeha. :lol: :D Dobar članak. :thumbup:
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#5977 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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I kako već prethodno obećah, kratki opis, preuzeto s Wikipedije:

“The books of knjige je crnogorska humorističko-muzička i televizijska organizacija sa Cetinja aktivna od početka devedesetih godina. Organizacija je naročito popularana u Crnoj Gori, mada u poslednje vrijeme bivaju sve viđeniji u okolnim državama, pre svega Srbiji i Bosni i Hercegovini. U njihovim humorističkim nastupima često postoji doza kritike prema vlasti, crkvi, pa čak i prema samoj ljudskoj prirodi. Često se bave ismijavanjem pojedinih televizijskih emisija, kao i nekih javnih ličnosti iz različitih oblasti.

Članovi ove organizacije poznaju se još od detinjstva jer su zajedno odrastali na Cetinju. Grupu su osnovali početkom devedesetih godina prošlog veka, koja je vremenom prerasla u organizaciju. The books of knjige su postali zbog svojih vrlo duhovitih dosetki i skečeva koji često predstavljaju parodiju na svakodnevni život. Najprije su vodili emisije na lokalnom radiju sa Cetinja. Vremenom se popularnost širila Crnom Gorom pa je sastav sve prisutniji u Podgorici, gde počinju da se pojavljuju na podgoričkom radiju Antena M u ponoćnim emisijama. Zatim slijedi i nekoliko TV emisija, od kojih su najpoznatije one sa nacionalne crnogorske televizije: Agrosaznanje, Emisija koja ide na televiziju oko 9 uveče, Top Volej, Kalendar, Robin Hud i druge.

Buksovci se uporedo bave i muzikom. Jedan od njihovih članova, Aleksandar Radunović je ujedno i gitarista popularne crnogorske rok grupe Perper sa Cetinja. U svojim pesmama, Buksovci takođe kritikuju sve loše strane ljudskog društva uopšte. Neke numere preovladavaju sarkazmom, a često je prisutan i apel borbe protiv narkomanije. Buksovci se često pojavljuju u duetima raznih muzičara, kao i u njihovim spotovima. Izdali su jedan album pod nazivom Moja domovina, a pored toga i veći broj singlova.

Sastav čine četiri člana:

Aleksandar Radunović (Popaj),
Veselin Gajović (Gajo),
Goran Vujović i
Zoran Marković (Zonjo).”

Odlični muzičari, sa uvrnutim tekstovima iza kojih se ipak krije poruka (pametnom i išaret dosta).

Njihove muzičke radove, skečeve, radio emisije i njihov dugometražni film “Slučajevi pravde” možete naći na Youtube.

Meni najbolja pjesma je “Svuda oko tebe” koja opisuje sve teškoće progresa u neko normalnije i prosperitetno društvo na Balkanu.

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#5978 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Ommadawn wrote: 25/07/2022 13:43 I kako već prethodno obećah, kratki opis, preuzeto s Wikipedije:

“The books of knjige je crnogorska humorističko-muzička i televizijska organizacija sa Cetinja aktivna od početka devedesetih godina. Organizacija je naročito popularana u Crnoj Gori, mada u poslednje vrijeme bivaju sve viđeniji u okolnim državama, pre svega Srbiji i Bosni i Hercegovini. U njihovim humorističkim nastupima često postoji doza kritike prema vlasti, crkvi, pa čak i prema samoj ljudskoj prirodi. Često se bave ismijavanjem pojedinih televizijskih emisija, kao i nekih javnih ličnosti iz različitih oblasti.

Članovi ove organizacije poznaju se još od detinjstva jer su zajedno odrastali na Cetinju. Grupu su osnovali početkom devedesetih godina prošlog veka, koja je vremenom prerasla u organizaciju. The books of knjige su postali zbog svojih vrlo duhovitih dosetki i skečeva koji često predstavljaju parodiju na svakodnevni život. Najprije su vodili emisije na lokalnom radiju sa Cetinja. Vremenom se popularnost širila Crnom Gorom pa je sastav sve prisutniji u Podgorici, gde počinju da se pojavljuju na podgoričkom radiju Antena M u ponoćnim emisijama. Zatim slijedi i nekoliko TV emisija, od kojih su najpoznatije one sa nacionalne crnogorske televizije: Agrosaznanje, Emisija koja ide na televiziju oko 9 uveče, Top Volej, Kalendar, Robin Hud i druge.

Buksovci se uporedo bave i muzikom. Jedan od njihovih članova, Aleksandar Radunović je ujedno i gitarista popularne crnogorske rok grupe Perper sa Cetinja. U svojim pesmama, Buksovci takođe kritikuju sve loše strane ljudskog društva uopšte. Neke numere preovladavaju sarkazmom, a često je prisutan i apel borbe protiv narkomanije. Buksovci se često pojavljuju u duetima raznih muzičara, kao i u njihovim spotovima. Izdali su jedan album pod nazivom Moja domovina, a pored toga i veći broj singlova.

Sastav čine četiri člana:

Aleksandar Radunović (Popaj),
Veselin Gajović (Gajo),
Goran Vujović i
Zoran Marković (Zonjo).”

Odlični muzičari, sa uvrnutim tekstovima iza kojih se ipak krije poruka (pametnom i išaret dosta).

Njihove muzičke radove, skečeve, radio emisije i njihov dugometražni film “Slučajevi pravde” možete naći na Youtube.

Meni najbolja pjesma je “Svuda oko tebe” koja opisuje sve teškoće progresa u neko normalnije i prosperitetno društvo na Balkanu.

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Hvala ti :thumbup:
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#5979 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Oho, Buksovci... :razz:

zakleti fan, decenijama :D

Antologijska:

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#5980 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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¤ jelena ¤ wrote: 27/07/2022 08:02 Oho, Buksovci... :razz:

zakleti fan, decenijama :D

Antologijska:

A Gumenom pjesmom sam ljudima živce vadio.
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#5981 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Ommadawn wrote: 27/07/2022 13:49
A Gumenom pjesmom sam ljudima živce vadio.
Sadisto. :| :D



I ova je pogubna za svakog ko iole ima sluha...

Maksuz warning za gitariste i fanove Gary Moora... :D



Inače, neiscrpni su izvor kreativnosti, spontanog i inteligentnog humora, ironije i satire...ne štede nikoga - od primitivaca, zadrtih tradicionalista, kreatura iz javnog života pa sve do vladajuće klike.
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#5982 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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meni su njihove muzicke eskapade uvijek bile najmanje interesantne. puno su mi vrijedniji kad pricaju, najvrijedniji su kad pricaju.
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#5983 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Naravno. Radio emisije i serijali pogotovo, ali i ovaj album je dobra zaebancija.
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#5984 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Ali kad pustim “Svuda oko tebe” - umalo mi na (sad već bivšem) autu nisu popucali prozori.

Njihovi skečevi - kada Miloradu Krušici nude posao, kada Dizmaru u gluho doba noći dolazi kum da traži da mu posudi bojler (jer je sin Borko prstenov’o curu gore u Beograd), kada Tom Kruiz zove ortaka da mu izjavi saučešće za brata (i pokloni majci ružu od njega) su meni urnebesni.
I vazda neko od njih pjeva neki hit ali sa izmijenjenim tekstom, poput:

“Devet hiljada
Rođenih u znaku
Da znam i ja
Moja Biljana”.
(na melodiju Devet hiljada od Željka Samardžića)

ili
“Nikad, gledala nije
Onu ranjenu srnu
Kad bol na dlanu
Umire

Noćas je
Zarila kandže, zarila kandže anđela
U srce gladnooooo”
(melodija Alena Islamovića “Mrtvo hladno”, skeč sa Tomom Kruizom)


I onda onaj film “Slučajevi pravde” sa dobrim soundtrackom.
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#5985 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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:lol: :lol:

Milorade, oči ću ti iskopat neđe na san... :lol:
Milodarkaa....nužnice nesalomiva. :D
Ti si starija duplo no što si bila prije 10 minuta. :lol:

itd...itd...


Nego, Popaj je brat onom liku što pjeva u cg bendu Perper, a i on je svirao s njima, pa haj i to da spomenem...mada nisu ostavili neki značajan trag van granica Crne Gore.
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#5986 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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¤ jelena ¤ wrote: 27/07/2022 20:59 :lol: :lol:

Milorade, oči ću ti iskopat neđe na san... :lol:
Milodarkaa....nužnice nesalomiva. :D
Ti si starija duplo no što si bila prije 10 minuta. :lol:

itd...itd...


Nego, Popaj je brat onom liku što pjeva u cg bendu Perper, a i on je svirao s njima, pa haj i to da spomenem...mada nisu ostavili neki značajan trag van granica Crne Gore.
Magarice gnjila, nužnice nesalomiva, mrš govedo jedno. Eto te stara si ka, ka, ka Rus. Ka Grk, pardon. Grci su stariji.

Milorade, a šta ćemo u pinjatu?

Perper nije izašao van granica CG, što je šteta.
Ali Puraševićevu “200 eura” je moja kćerka imala na repetoaru pjesama koje smo joj morali puštati u autu.
I “Mjesečev put” sa Ekremom Jevrićem.
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#5987 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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malo mahalanja iz audiophile svijeta. :D
How a Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

Mike Esposito still won’t say who gave him the tip about the records. But on July 14, he went public with an explosive claim.

In a sometimes halting video posted to the YouTube channel of his Phoenix record shop, the ‘In’ Groove, Esposito said that “pretty reliable sources” told him that MoFi (Mobile Fidelity), the Sebastopol, Calif., company that has prided itself on using original master tapes for its pricey reissues, had actually been using digital files in its production chain. In the world of audiophiles — where provenance is everything and the quest is to get as close to the sound of an album’s original recording as possible — digital is considered almost unholy. And using digital while claiming not to is the gravest sin a manufacturer can commit.

There was immediate pushback to Esposito’s video, including from some of the bigger names in the passionate audio community.

Shane Buettner, owner of Intervention Records, another company in the reissue business, defended MoFi on the popular message board moderated by mastering engineer Steve Hoffman. He remembered running into one of the company’s engineers at a recording studio working with a master tape. “I know their process and it’s legit,” he wrote. Michael Fremer, the dean of audiophile writing, was less measured. He slammed Esposito for irresponsibly spreading rumors and said his own unnamed source told him the record store owner was wrong. “Will speculative click bait YouTube videos claiming otherwise be taken down after reading this?” he tweeted.

But at MoFi’s headquarters in Sebastopol, John Wood knew the truth. The company’s executive vice president of product development felt crushed as he watched Esposito’s video. He has worked at the company for more than 26 years and, like most of his colleagues, championed its much lauded direct-from-master chain. Wood could hear the disappointment as Esposito, while delivering his report, also said that some of MoFi’s albums were among his favorites. So Wood picked up the phone, called Esposito and suggested he fly to California for a tour. It’s an invite he would later regret.

That visit resulted in a second video, published July 20, in which MoFi’s engineers confirmed, with a kind of awkward casualness, that Esposito was correct with his claims. The company that made its name on authenticity had been deceptive about its practices. The episode is part of a crisis MoFi now concedes was mishandled.

“It’s the biggest debacle I’ve ever seen in the vinyl realm,” says Kevin Gray, a mastering engineer who has not worked with MoFi but has produced reissues of musicians such as John Coltrane and Marvin Gaye.

“They were completely deceitful,” says Richard Drutman, 50, a New York City filmmaker who has purchased more than 50 of MoFi’s albums over the years. “I never would have ordered a single Mobile Fidelity product if I had known it was sourced from a digital master.”

Record labels use digital files to make albums all the time: It’s been the industry norm for more than a decade. But a few specialty houses — the Kansas-based Analogue Productions, London’s Electric Recording Co. and MoFi among them — have long advocated for the warmth of analog.

“Not that you can’t make good records with digital, but it just isn’t as natural as when you use the original tape,” says Bernie Grundman, 78, the mastering engineer who worked on the original recordings of Steely Dan’s “Aja,” Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” and Dr. Dre’s “The Chronic.”

Mobile Fidelity and its parent company, Music Direct, were slow to respond to the revelation. But last week, the company began updating the sourcing information on its website and also agreed to its first interview, with The Washington Post. The company says it first used DSD, or Direct Stream Digital technology, on a 2011 reissue of Tony Bennett’s “I Left My Heart in San Francisco.” By the end of 2011, 60 percent of its vinyl releases incorporated DSD. All but one of the reissues as part of its One-Step series, which include $125 box-set editions of Santana, Carole King and the Eagles, have used that technology. Going forward, all MoFi cutting will incorporate DSD.

Syd Schwartz, Mobile Fidelity’s chief marketing officer, made an apology.

“Mobile Fidelity makes great records, the best-sounding records that you can buy,” he said. “There had been choices made over the years and choices in marketing that have led to confusion and anger and a lot of questions, and there were narratives that had been propagating for a while that were untrue or false or myths. We were wrong not to have addressed this sooner.”

Mastering engineer Brad Miller founded MoFi in 1977 to cater largely to audiophiles. The company boomed during the 1980s, but by 1999, with vinyl sales plummeting, the company declared bankruptcy. Jim Davis, owner of the Chicago-based Music Direct, a company that specializes in audio equipment, purchased the label and revived MoFi. During the recent vinyl resurgence (vinyl sales in 2021 hit their highest mark in 30 years), MoFi’s specialty releases sell out quickly and can be found on secondary markets at much higher prices.

Marketing has been a key element of the MoFi model. Most releases include a banner on the album cover proclaiming it the “Original Master Recording.” And every One-Step, which cut out parts of the production process to supposedly get closer to the original tape, includes a thick explainer sheet in which the company outlines in exacting detail how it creates its records. But there has been one very important item missing: any mention of a digital step.

The company has obscured the truth in other ways. MoFi employees have done interviews for years without mentioning digital. In 2020, Grant McLean, a Canadian customer, got into a debate with a friend about MoFi’s sourcing. McLean believed in the company and wrote to confirm that he was right. In a response he provided to The Post, a customer service representative wrote McLean that “there is no analog to digital conversion in our vinyl cutting process.”

Earlier this year, MoFi announced an upcoming reissue of Jackson’s 1982 smash “Thriller” as a One-Step. The news release said the original master tape would be used for the repressing, which would have a run of 40,000 copies. That’s a substantially bigger number than the usual for a One-Step, which is typically limited to between 3,500 and 7,500 copies.

Michael Ludwigs, a German record enthusiast with a YouTube channel, 45 RPM Audiophile, questioned how this could be possible. Because of the One-Step process, an original master tape would need to be run dozens of times to make that many records. Why would Sony Music Entertainment allow that?

“That’s the kind of thing that deteriorates tape,” Grundman says.

“That’s the one where I think everyone started going, ‘Huh?’ ” says Ryan K. Smith, a mastering engineer at Sterling Sound in Nashville.

The MoFi controversy has not just exposed tensions between rival record makers, but it has also heightened a rift between Fremer and Esposito.

For decades, as LPs were replaced by CDs and iPods, Fremer, now 75, was a lonely voice pushing to keep them alive.

“Michael’s considered the guy, like the guru, so to speak,” says Dale Clark, 54, a photographer and longtime record collector in Ohio.

But Fremer, now a writer for the online magazine the Tracking Angle, has been bickering with Esposito for months. He was furious that MoFi invited Esposito to Sebastopol and wrote an email to Davis on July 17 to protest.

“You have lost your minds,” Fremer wrote. “Mistakes happen that can be corrected. In this case you have chosen to elevate [an inexperienced non-journalist] to work your way out of a predicament instead of a seasoned journalist and I’m not referring necessarily to me. I could name a half dozen others.”

Esposito never claimed to be a journalist.

He’s a record geek who grew up in foster homes after his father was murdered when he was 11. (His mother, he says, has had drug and alcohol problems.) Over the years, Esposito, who didn’t finish high school, has sold sports collectibles and started a chain of mattress stores. In 2015, he opened the ‘In’ Groove in Phoenix. His regular videos, in which he unboxes reissues and ranks different pressings, have made him a popular YouTube presence, with about 40,000 subscribers. He says he felt he owed it to his customers to pursue the MoFi tip.

“I sell to the people I sell to because they trust me,” Esposito, 38, told The Post. “And if they don’t trust me, they can go anywhere else and buy those records.”

Esposito wants record companies to do a better job labeling recording sources. Some already do. Intervention and Analogue Productions provide details on records or their websites; so does Neil Young.

“The problem is ‘analog’ has become a hype word, and most people don’t know how records are made,” Esposito says. “And you can very factually say this record was sourced from the original analog master tape, and you’re not lying. But that doesn’t disclose to the consumer what’s going on between the beginning of it and the final product.”

There were no ground rules laid out for Esposito’s July 19 visit. He paid his airfare, and Wood met him at the airport. In the car, Wood confirmed what Esposito had reported in his video.

“They didn’t come off to me as if they were trying to hide anything,” Esposito says.

At MoFi’s headquarters, Esposito looked at tapes and machinery the company uses to master its records. He also saw vintage packaging and advertising materials for past releases, including mock-ups for Beatles reissues. Then he took out his Panasonic camcorder and asked Wood if it was okay for him to set up and do an interview with the three mastering engineers he had met. No problem, they said.

The result is about an hour-long conversation that is equally fascinating and confusing. Esposito is not a trained interviewer, and engineers Shawn Britton, Krieg Wunderlich and Rob LoVerde are not trained interviewees. At times, the conversation is stilted and meandering. There are also occasional moments of charm as they connect about their shared passion for music.

Whatever Esposito’s approach, there is no doubt that without him, MoFi’s process would have remained a secret. The engineers, who had stressed the use of tape and working “all analog” in the past, didn’t hesitate to reference the company’s embrace of Direct Stream Digital technology.

Davis, the owner, not only didn’t invite Esposito but also didn’t learn about the visit until after Wood had extended the invitation. He tried to get to Sebastopol for the tour but said that a long line at a rental car check-in left him arriving at MoFi headquarters only after Esposito was finished.

By then, the damage was done. Last week, Wood was asked whether he regretted the interview with the engineers. He broke down.

“I regret everything, man,” he said.

Davis also did not appreciate the interview. Music Direct’s stereo equipment business brings in revenue of more than $40 million a year, and MoFi earned about $9 million last year. But the record company has just a handful of full-time staffers and no crisis-management plan. He doesn’t blame the engineers for what happened

“I mean, it was not a well-thought-out plan,” Davis says. “Let’s put it that way.”

The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good that they can fool even the best of ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer’s and Esposito’s own lists of the best-sounding analog albums.

Jamie Howarth, whose Plangent Processes uses digital technology to restore sound and whose work has earned praise for Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen reissues, wishes MoFi had come clean years ago and proudly told its customers that their prized records sounded best because of the digital step. He understands why it didn’t. It was terrified of being attacked by analog-or-bust audiophiles.

“One of the reasons they want to excoriate MoFi is for lying,” Howarth says. “The other part that bothers them is that they’ve been listening to digital all along and they’re highly invested in believing that any digital step will destroy their experience. And they’re wrong.”

Wood says that MoFi decided to add DSD not for convenience but because its engineers felt they could help improve their records. He remembers hearing MoFi’s reissue of Santana’s “Abraxas” in 2016. “My mind was blown when we got the test pressings back,” he said.

Wood says MoFi takes great care in capturing the digital file. It won’t simply accept a link from a record company. If a master tape can’t be couriered to Sebastopol, MoFi will send engineers with their equipment to capture it. Having a file allows them to tinker with the recordings if they’re not pleased with a test pressing and make another. He says he is disappointed in himself for not being upfront but that, from here on out, MoFi will properly label its recordings. A revised One-Step card has already been crafted for upcoming releases featuring Van Halen, Cannonball Adderley and the Eagles.

And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years: that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself. “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.”

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omar little wrote: 10/08/2022 01:35 malo mahalanja iz audiophile svijeta. :D
How a Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

Mike Esposito still won’t say who gave him the tip about the records. But on July 14, he went public with an explosive claim.

In a sometimes halting video posted to the YouTube channel of his Phoenix record shop, the ‘In’ Groove, Esposito said that “pretty reliable sources” told him that MoFi (Mobile Fidelity), the Sebastopol, Calif., company that has prided itself on using original master tapes for its pricey reissues, had actually been using digital files in its production chain. In the world of audiophiles — where provenance is everything and the quest is to get as close to the sound of an album’s original recording as possible — digital is considered almost unholy. And using digital while claiming not to is the gravest sin a manufacturer can commit.

There was immediate pushback to Esposito’s video, including from some of the bigger names in the passionate audio community.

Shane Buettner, owner of Intervention Records, another company in the reissue business, defended MoFi on the popular message board moderated by mastering engineer Steve Hoffman. He remembered running into one of the company’s engineers at a recording studio working with a master tape. “I know their process and it’s legit,” he wrote. Michael Fremer, the dean of audiophile writing, was less measured. He slammed Esposito for irresponsibly spreading rumors and said his own unnamed source told him the record store owner was wrong. “Will speculative click bait YouTube videos claiming otherwise be taken down after reading this?” he tweeted.

But at MoFi’s headquarters in Sebastopol, John Wood knew the truth. The company’s executive vice president of product development felt crushed as he watched Esposito’s video. He has worked at the company for more than 26 years and, like most of his colleagues, championed its much lauded direct-from-master chain. Wood could hear the disappointment as Esposito, while delivering his report, also said that some of MoFi’s albums were among his favorites. So Wood picked up the phone, called Esposito and suggested he fly to California for a tour. It’s an invite he would later regret.

That visit resulted in a second video, published July 20, in which MoFi’s engineers confirmed, with a kind of awkward casualness, that Esposito was correct with his claims. The company that made its name on authenticity had been deceptive about its practices. The episode is part of a crisis MoFi now concedes was mishandled.

“It’s the biggest debacle I’ve ever seen in the vinyl realm,” says Kevin Gray, a mastering engineer who has not worked with MoFi but has produced reissues of musicians such as John Coltrane and Marvin Gaye.

“They were completely deceitful,” says Richard Drutman, 50, a New York City filmmaker who has purchased more than 50 of MoFi’s albums over the years. “I never would have ordered a single Mobile Fidelity product if I had known it was sourced from a digital master.”

Record labels use digital files to make albums all the time: It’s been the industry norm for more than a decade. But a few specialty houses — the Kansas-based Analogue Productions, London’s Electric Recording Co. and MoFi among them — have long advocated for the warmth of analog.

“Not that you can’t make good records with digital, but it just isn’t as natural as when you use the original tape,” says Bernie Grundman, 78, the mastering engineer who worked on the original recordings of Steely Dan’s “Aja,” Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” and Dr. Dre’s “The Chronic.”

Mobile Fidelity and its parent company, Music Direct, were slow to respond to the revelation. But last week, the company began updating the sourcing information on its website and also agreed to its first interview, with The Washington Post. The company says it first used DSD, or Direct Stream Digital technology, on a 2011 reissue of Tony Bennett’s “I Left My Heart in San Francisco.” By the end of 2011, 60 percent of its vinyl releases incorporated DSD. All but one of the reissues as part of its One-Step series, which include $125 box-set editions of Santana, Carole King and the Eagles, have used that technology. Going forward, all MoFi cutting will incorporate DSD.

Syd Schwartz, Mobile Fidelity’s chief marketing officer, made an apology.

“Mobile Fidelity makes great records, the best-sounding records that you can buy,” he said. “There had been choices made over the years and choices in marketing that have led to confusion and anger and a lot of questions, and there were narratives that had been propagating for a while that were untrue or false or myths. We were wrong not to have addressed this sooner.”

Mastering engineer Brad Miller founded MoFi in 1977 to cater largely to audiophiles. The company boomed during the 1980s, but by 1999, with vinyl sales plummeting, the company declared bankruptcy. Jim Davis, owner of the Chicago-based Music Direct, a company that specializes in audio equipment, purchased the label and revived MoFi. During the recent vinyl resurgence (vinyl sales in 2021 hit their highest mark in 30 years), MoFi’s specialty releases sell out quickly and can be found on secondary markets at much higher prices.

Marketing has been a key element of the MoFi model. Most releases include a banner on the album cover proclaiming it the “Original Master Recording.” And every One-Step, which cut out parts of the production process to supposedly get closer to the original tape, includes a thick explainer sheet in which the company outlines in exacting detail how it creates its records. But there has been one very important item missing: any mention of a digital step.

The company has obscured the truth in other ways. MoFi employees have done interviews for years without mentioning digital. In 2020, Grant McLean, a Canadian customer, got into a debate with a friend about MoFi’s sourcing. McLean believed in the company and wrote to confirm that he was right. In a response he provided to The Post, a customer service representative wrote McLean that “there is no analog to digital conversion in our vinyl cutting process.”

Earlier this year, MoFi announced an upcoming reissue of Jackson’s 1982 smash “Thriller” as a One-Step. The news release said the original master tape would be used for the repressing, which would have a run of 40,000 copies. That’s a substantially bigger number than the usual for a One-Step, which is typically limited to between 3,500 and 7,500 copies.

Michael Ludwigs, a German record enthusiast with a YouTube channel, 45 RPM Audiophile, questioned how this could be possible. Because of the One-Step process, an original master tape would need to be run dozens of times to make that many records. Why would Sony Music Entertainment allow that?

“That’s the kind of thing that deteriorates tape,” Grundman says.

“That’s the one where I think everyone started going, ‘Huh?’ ” says Ryan K. Smith, a mastering engineer at Sterling Sound in Nashville.

The MoFi controversy has not just exposed tensions between rival record makers, but it has also heightened a rift between Fremer and Esposito.

For decades, as LPs were replaced by CDs and iPods, Fremer, now 75, was a lonely voice pushing to keep them alive.

“Michael’s considered the guy, like the guru, so to speak,” says Dale Clark, 54, a photographer and longtime record collector in Ohio.

But Fremer, now a writer for the online magazine the Tracking Angle, has been bickering with Esposito for months. He was furious that MoFi invited Esposito to Sebastopol and wrote an email to Davis on July 17 to protest.

“You have lost your minds,” Fremer wrote. “Mistakes happen that can be corrected. In this case you have chosen to elevate [an inexperienced non-journalist] to work your way out of a predicament instead of a seasoned journalist and I’m not referring necessarily to me. I could name a half dozen others.”

Esposito never claimed to be a journalist.

He’s a record geek who grew up in foster homes after his father was murdered when he was 11. (His mother, he says, has had drug and alcohol problems.) Over the years, Esposito, who didn’t finish high school, has sold sports collectibles and started a chain of mattress stores. In 2015, he opened the ‘In’ Groove in Phoenix. His regular videos, in which he unboxes reissues and ranks different pressings, have made him a popular YouTube presence, with about 40,000 subscribers. He says he felt he owed it to his customers to pursue the MoFi tip.

“I sell to the people I sell to because they trust me,” Esposito, 38, told The Post. “And if they don’t trust me, they can go anywhere else and buy those records.”

Esposito wants record companies to do a better job labeling recording sources. Some already do. Intervention and Analogue Productions provide details on records or their websites; so does Neil Young.

“The problem is ‘analog’ has become a hype word, and most people don’t know how records are made,” Esposito says. “And you can very factually say this record was sourced from the original analog master tape, and you’re not lying. But that doesn’t disclose to the consumer what’s going on between the beginning of it and the final product.”

There were no ground rules laid out for Esposito’s July 19 visit. He paid his airfare, and Wood met him at the airport. In the car, Wood confirmed what Esposito had reported in his video.

“They didn’t come off to me as if they were trying to hide anything,” Esposito says.

At MoFi’s headquarters, Esposito looked at tapes and machinery the company uses to master its records. He also saw vintage packaging and advertising materials for past releases, including mock-ups for Beatles reissues. Then he took out his Panasonic camcorder and asked Wood if it was okay for him to set up and do an interview with the three mastering engineers he had met. No problem, they said.

The result is about an hour-long conversation that is equally fascinating and confusing. Esposito is not a trained interviewer, and engineers Shawn Britton, Krieg Wunderlich and Rob LoVerde are not trained interviewees. At times, the conversation is stilted and meandering. There are also occasional moments of charm as they connect about their shared passion for music.

Whatever Esposito’s approach, there is no doubt that without him, MoFi’s process would have remained a secret. The engineers, who had stressed the use of tape and working “all analog” in the past, didn’t hesitate to reference the company’s embrace of Direct Stream Digital technology.

Davis, the owner, not only didn’t invite Esposito but also didn’t learn about the visit until after Wood had extended the invitation. He tried to get to Sebastopol for the tour but said that a long line at a rental car check-in left him arriving at MoFi headquarters only after Esposito was finished.

By then, the damage was done. Last week, Wood was asked whether he regretted the interview with the engineers. He broke down.

“I regret everything, man,” he said.

Davis also did not appreciate the interview. Music Direct’s stereo equipment business brings in revenue of more than $40 million a year, and MoFi earned about $9 million last year. But the record company has just a handful of full-time staffers and no crisis-management plan. He doesn’t blame the engineers for what happened

“I mean, it was not a well-thought-out plan,” Davis says. “Let’s put it that way.”

The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good that they can fool even the best of ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer’s and Esposito’s own lists of the best-sounding analog albums.

Jamie Howarth, whose Plangent Processes uses digital technology to restore sound and whose work has earned praise for Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen reissues, wishes MoFi had come clean years ago and proudly told its customers that their prized records sounded best because of the digital step. He understands why it didn’t. It was terrified of being attacked by analog-or-bust audiophiles.

“One of the reasons they want to excoriate MoFi is for lying,” Howarth says. “The other part that bothers them is that they’ve been listening to digital all along and they’re highly invested in believing that any digital step will destroy their experience. And they’re wrong.”

Wood says that MoFi decided to add DSD not for convenience but because its engineers felt they could help improve their records. He remembers hearing MoFi’s reissue of Santana’s “Abraxas” in 2016. “My mind was blown when we got the test pressings back,” he said.

Wood says MoFi takes great care in capturing the digital file. It won’t simply accept a link from a record company. If a master tape can’t be couriered to Sebastopol, MoFi will send engineers with their equipment to capture it. Having a file allows them to tinker with the recordings if they’re not pleased with a test pressing and make another. He says he is disappointed in himself for not being upfront but that, from here on out, MoFi will properly label its recordings. A revised One-Step card has already been crafted for upcoming releases featuring Van Halen, Cannonball Adderley and the Eagles.

And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years: that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself. “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/music/20 ... deGFJitKdQ
Ovo je bilo zabavno čitanje. :D Hvala! :thumbup:

I smiješno i malkice žalosno u isto vrijeme koliko su ljudi spremni da se zavaravaju i da to čak i masno plate. Da budem iskren nisam
znao da imaju ove niche kompanije koje tvrde da su zadržale all analog lanac proizvodnje vinila. Znam da je standardna praksa danas
konverzija i mastering digitalnog fajla za vinil što je logično, iako je smrtni grijeh za vinil audiofile. Ali bez obzira krajnji rezultat
opet može biti i više nego dobro rezana ploča koja će pružiti jednako zadovoljstvo i zvuk onima koji vole vinil. Isto tako je, kada se
malo bolje i logički razmisli, totalno nepraktično vaditi originalne analogne mastere, posebno kao u ovom broju od 40,000 ploča koje
se namjeravali za reizdanje Thrillera i koji su uostalom i podigli sumnju u istinitost njihove prakse izrade vinila. Što ovaj lik kaže
koja bi to diskografska kuća dozvolila da toliko habaš neprocjenjive master vrpce i do kakve bi to degradacije tih vrpci dovelo.
Tako da...dosta je ovdje ljudi nasamareno, ali krivi su sami sebi. Jebiga...dobar dio nas ljudi ima sasvim solidan sluh, ali ne čujemo baš
toliko dobro da možemo razlučiti između digitalno i analogno rezanoga vinila, što je ovaj slučaj i nedvojbeno pokazao. Imamo samo
svoj subjektivni doživljaj onoga što čujemo.
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#5989 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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meni je bas gust gledati nadobudne, arogantne, audio snobove i drkadzije umisljene u svoj "superioran" sluh kako ispadaju debilcine i supljatori kakvi zapravo i jesu. pride dobijamao javno jedenje govana i pedlanje da kako ovo i da kako ono i da kako ih prevarilo. mmm <3

jazz nerdovi su teska sorta, ali audio pjuristi su nesnosni drkosi.
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omar little wrote: 10/08/2022 13:33 meni je bas gust gledati nadobudne, arogantne, audio snobove i drkadzije umisljene u svoj "superioran" sluh kako ispadaju debilcine i supljatori kakvi zapravo i jesu. pride dobijamao javno jedenje govana i pedlanje da kako ovo i da kako ono i da kako ih prevarilo. mmm <3

jazz nerdovi su teska sorta, ali audio pjuristi su nesnosni drkosi.
Nemoj mi pričati…
Mene izbaciše iz jedne FB grupe jer sam rekao da je kolosalna glupost dati 50 000 eura za jedan gramofon i da tu prestaje istinsko uživanje u muzici.
Jebi me ako mi nisu i kućnu adresu provjeravali.

Mada moram priznati da su DIY-graditelji audio-uređaja mnogo prijatniji ljudi. Tu što sam pokupio znanje samo o svojstvima raznih materijala je neprocijenjivo.
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#5991 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Ommadawn wrote: 10/08/2022 14:28
omar little wrote: 10/08/2022 13:33 meni je bas gust gledati nadobudne, arogantne, audio snobove i drkadzije umisljene u svoj "superioran" sluh kako ispadaju debilcine i supljatori kakvi zapravo i jesu. pride dobijamao javno jedenje govana i pedlanje da kako ovo i da kako ono i da kako ih prevarilo. mmm <3

jazz nerdovi su teska sorta, ali audio pjuristi su nesnosni drkosi.
Nemoj mi pričati…
Mene izbaciše iz jedne FB grupe jer sam rekao da je kolosalna glupost dati 50 000 eura za jedan gramofon i da tu prestaje istinsko uživanje u muzici.
Jebi me ako mi nisu i kućnu adresu provjeravali.

Mada moram priznati da su DIY-graditelji audio-uređaja mnogo prijatniji ljudi. Tu što sam pokupio znanje samo o svojstvima raznih materijala je neprocijenjivo.
I jeste glupost dati te pare, osim ako nisi neki teški profesionalac koji će s tim gramofonom zaraditi velike novce. Moj Sony je bio oko hiljadu maraka i odličan je i recenzije su mu odlične. Kad su gramofoni u pitanju Techincs je barem za mene broj 1. Možda se varam, a možda i ne. Technicsovi gramofoni koštaju od 2000 KM, možda ima modela i sa nižom početnom cijenom, pa negdje možda do 3000 hiljade. Ovo govorim što sam vidio cijene na portallima u Hrvatskoj.
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#5992 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Tehnics su super gramofoni, a nisu ni Sony loši.
Sve zavisi kako je konstruisan i od kakvog je materijala.

Opet DIY je nešto što baš cijenim. Tu znam da je 200% ljubavi i majstorluka uloženo.

A ovo preseravanje sa pneumatskim tonskim ručkama, pneumatskim pogonom, k’o eto da smanjiš vibracije…
Muzika je da se sluša. Ko hoće zvuk, neka upali sebi Mercedesov dizel iz 1954-e.
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omar little wrote: 10/08/2022 13:33 meni je bas gust gledati nadobudne, arogantne, audio snobove i drkadzije umisljene u svoj "superioran" sluh kako ispadaju debilcine i supljatori kakvi zapravo i jesu. pride dobijamao javno jedenje govana i pedlanje da kako ovo i da kako ono i da kako ih prevarilo. mmm <3

jazz nerdovi su teska sorta, ali audio pjuristi su nesnosni drkosi.
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ ... o.1150351/

Ovdje se dosta tih elitistički nastrojenih audiofila skuplja (iako ima i sasvim normalnih likova) i čitanje komentara od kako je ovaj
"skandal" izašao na vidjelo je neprocjenjivo. :D

Cijenim kvalitetan zvuk i proizvod i što se tiče audio opreme i što se tiče cd/ploča, ali sve ima svoje granice. Poenta je da uvijek treba
vjerovati svojim ušima i onome što čuješ sa njima, a ne raznim marketinškim bajkama o proizvodnom procesu koje ovakve firme koriste
kao šarenu lažu za naivce.
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Ommadawn wrote: 10/08/2022 14:28 Mada moram priznati da su DIY-graditelji audio-uređaja mnogo prijatniji ljudi. Tu što sam pokupio znanje samo o svojstvima raznih materijala je neprocijenjivo.
1980-ih, u magazinu Trend, bila priča, mislim i cijeli serijal, o čovjeku koji kao DIY-er u svojoj garaži pravi gramofone. Slovenac. Preziva(o) se Kuzma :-D
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Hakiz wrote: 10/08/2022 21:01
Ommadawn wrote: 10/08/2022 14:28 Mada moram priznati da su DIY-graditelji audio-uređaja mnogo prijatniji ljudi. Tu što sam pokupio znanje samo o svojstvima raznih materijala je neprocijenjivo.
1980-ih, u magazinu Trend, bila priča, mislim i cijeli serijal, o čovjeku koji kao DIY-er u svojoj garaži pravi gramofone. Slovenac. Preziva(o) se Kuzma :-D
Pravi ih i danas.
To su oni koji levitiraju pomoću magneta.

Kad mi srede komp, pokazat ću moj CAD-crtež.
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#5996 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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dale cooper wrote: 10/08/2022 03:33
omar little wrote: 10/08/2022 01:35 malo mahalanja iz audiophile svijeta. :D

Ovo je bilo zabavno čitanje. :D Hvala! :thumbup:

I smiješno i malkice žalosno u isto vrijeme koliko su ljudi spremni da se zavaravaju i da to čak i masno plate. Da budem iskren nisam
znao da imaju ove niche kompanije koje tvrde da su zadržale all analog lanac proizvodnje vinila. Znam da je standardna praksa danas
konverzija i mastering digitalnog fajla za vinil što je logično, iako je smrtni grijeh za vinil audiofile. Ali bez obzira krajnji rezultat
opet može biti i više nego dobro rezana ploča koja će pružiti jednako zadovoljstvo i zvuk onima koji vole vinil. Isto tako je, kada se
malo bolje i logički razmisli, totalno nepraktično vaditi originalne analogne mastere, posebno kao u ovom broju od 40,000 ploča koje
se namjeravali za reizdanje Thrillera i koji su uostalom i podigli sumnju u istinitost njihove prakse izrade vinila. Što ovaj lik kaže
koja bi to diskografska kuća dozvolila da toliko habaš neprocjenjive master vrpce i do kakve bi to degradacije tih vrpci dovelo.
Tako da...dosta je ovdje ljudi nasamareno, ali krivi su sami sebi. Jebiga...dobar dio nas ljudi ima sasvim solidan sluh, ali ne čujemo baš
toliko dobro da možemo razlučiti između digitalno i analogno rezanoga vinila, što je ovaj slučaj i nedvojbeno pokazao. Imamo samo
svoj subjektivni doživljaj onoga što čujemo.
Onda nema svrhe imati ploče i gramofon.
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#5997 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Hakiz wrote: 10/08/2022 21:15
dale cooper wrote: 10/08/2022 03:33

Ovo je bilo zabavno čitanje. :D Hvala! :thumbup:

I smiješno i malkice žalosno u isto vrijeme koliko su ljudi spremni da se zavaravaju i da to čak i masno plate. Da budem iskren nisam
znao da imaju ove niche kompanije koje tvrde da su zadržale all analog lanac proizvodnje vinila. Znam da je standardna praksa danas
konverzija i mastering digitalnog fajla za vinil što je logično, iako je smrtni grijeh za vinil audiofile. Ali bez obzira krajnji rezultat
opet može biti i više nego dobro rezana ploča koja će pružiti jednako zadovoljstvo i zvuk onima koji vole vinil. Isto tako je, kada se
malo bolje i logički razmisli, totalno nepraktično vaditi originalne analogne mastere, posebno kao u ovom broju od 40,000 ploča koje
se namjeravali za reizdanje Thrillera i koji su uostalom i podigli sumnju u istinitost njihove prakse izrade vinila. Što ovaj lik kaže
koja bi to diskografska kuća dozvolila da toliko habaš neprocjenjive master vrpce i do kakve bi to degradacije tih vrpci dovelo.
Tako da...dosta je ovdje ljudi nasamareno, ali krivi su sami sebi. Jebiga...dobar dio nas ljudi ima sasvim solidan sluh, ali ne čujemo baš
toliko dobro da možemo razlučiti između digitalno i analogno rezanoga vinila, što je ovaj slučaj i nedvojbeno pokazao. Imamo samo
svoj subjektivni doživljaj onoga što čujemo.
Onda nema svrhe imati ploče i gramofon.
Zašto?
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#5998 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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Ommadawn wrote: 10/08/2022 21:04
Hakiz wrote: 10/08/2022 21:01

1980-ih, u magazinu Trend, bila priča, mislim i cijeli serijal, o čovjeku koji kao DIY-er u svojoj garaži pravi gramofone. Slovenac. Preziva(o) se Kuzma :-D
Pravi ih i danas.
To su oni koji levitiraju pomoću magneta.

Kad mi srede komp, pokazat ću moj CAD-crtež.
Znam da ih pravi, jedan od najcjenjenijih proizvođača, ono sam napisao upravo zbog toga.
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#5999 Re: Muzički Almanah (naš život u muzici)

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dale cooper wrote: 10/08/2022 21:16
Hakiz wrote: 10/08/2022 21:15

Onda nema svrhe imati ploče i gramofon.
Zašto?
Ako imaš digitalnu obradu u lancu, nema potrebe konvertovati. Idi komplet digitalno. Koja je svrha digitalni signal štampati na ploču? Daj ga u FLAC, WAV ili sličnom formatu i slušaj sa nekog DAP-a koji ima dobar DAC da pošalje na pojačalo. Čemu se zamarati sa gramofonom ako je signal digitalan?

Zato ja imam ploče kupljene do 1990-ih i samo njih slušam na gramofonu. Kasniju muziku sam ili kupovao kao CD i one CD za koje ssm siguran da su originalni sam ripovao kao FLAC, ili dsm he nsbavljao kao FLAC. CD koji mi nisu originalni ili su sumnjivi su mi ripovani kao MP3, a muzika koju imam kao MP3 nisam konvertovao u FLAC. Tako da sada analignu muziku imam i koristim na pločama i kasetama, a digitalnu na HDD i SDD. Ni CD više ne koristim, iako imam još originalnih CD-ova i CD player.
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Hakiz wrote: 10/08/2022 21:20
dale cooper wrote: 10/08/2022 21:16

Zašto?
Ako imaš digitalnu obradu u lancu, nema potrebe konvertovati. Idi komplet digitalno. Koja je svrha digitalni signal štampati na ploču? Daj ga u FLAC, WAV ili sličnom formatu i slušaj sa nekog DAP-a koji ima dobar DAC da pošalje na pojačalo. Čemu se zamarati sa gramofonom ako je signal digitalan?
Tehnički gledano to je tačno. Ali ljudi nisu do prije mjesec dana znali da to MoFi radi, jer su ovi od ranije sebe reklamirali kao kuću koja
radi all analog rezanje ploča. Tu je sva frka i nastala. Ali ono što je najsmješnije u cijeloj situaciji je da prekaljeni audiofili nisu znali
prepoznati razliku. Čak su neki govorili da su reizdanja koja su MoFi radili jednako dobra ili čak i bolja od originalnih vinil izdanja.
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