Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 04:49

De mi kratko odgovori: Gdje se nalaze ta jevrejska naselja koja spominjes i gdje se desavaju ta istjerivanja iz domova?
Ako moze nekoliko lokacija.
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Lopez1981 wrote: 14/05/2021 21:05
jeza u ledja wrote: 14/05/2021 20:36
Lopez1981 wrote: 14/05/2021 20:24

Primili ih na svoju zemlju kad su ih svi proganjali da bi danas imali ovakvu situaciju kakvu imaju. Nisu naoruzani ljudi van Gaze pa im svaki dan ruse kuce i na njihovoj zemlji grade Izraelcima naselja i tretiraju ih kao stoku. Nema tamo Hamasa, tamo djeca sa kamenicama brane kuce pa im bogami opet Cionisti sve porusise. Iako u strasnoj blokadi, Gaza je jedino mjesto u Palestini gdje ljudi imaju kakav takav ponos, ne moze im tek tako Cionist doci sa bagerom i rusiti kuce, ne mogu doci u dzamiju i rastjerivati vijernike kad pozele kako rade van Gaze. To treba mirno gledati kako im Cionisti uzimaju komad po komad Palestine? Mislim da niko normalan ne bi mirno gledao kako ga gosti istjeruju iz svoje kuce, bez obzira sto su 100x jaci, stao bih u odbranu svoje kuce taman znao da cu sutra poginuti. Tamo nema selameta dok snaga otpora ne ojaca.
Gazu svako malo ravnaju kuce ti kazes ne mogu im nista cionisti. :-)
Jel to ozbiljno mislis da se u Gazi zivi bolje nego na Zapadnoj Obali?

O jacanju snage otpora....ona je sve slabija i slabija, a evo proslo je vec 3/4 vijeka. Koliko to jos Palestinci trebaju cekati dok ih pola svijeta huska protiv Izraela?
Ono, izdrzite jos malo, imate nasu podrsku i to?
Ne kazem da im ne mogu im nista, nego ne mogu im doci sa bagerom i srusiti kucu, ne mogu im usetati u kucu i maltretiragi porodicu kad god pozele. U gazi im jedino mogu srusiti kucu da pocine ratni zlocin, nista lakse baciti bombu i srusit. Ne mislim ni da se bolje zivi u Gazi, ali kad bih morao birati gdje da zivim uvijek bih prije izabrao Gazu gdje ne gazi cionisticka cizma. Evo ti jedan moj licni primjer, kad je pocela agresija na nasu zemlju zivo sam na teritoriji danasnjeg manjeg entiteta, jos dok se nije zapucalo taj osjecaj kad ti oni naoruzani do zuba hodaju selom a tebi cijela familija u kuci ne zelim nikad nikom da dozivi. Mi kad smo u zbijegu dosli u Mostar nama je svanulo, i sav onaj pakao kakav je bio u Mostaru sa zapadnim agresorom, opsada, granatiranja, glad i veoma tesko stanje za mene je bilo neuporedivo lakse podnijeti nego ono 1992 dok se jos i nije ni zapucalo da valja. Znas da si sa svojim narodom, sta bude drugima to ce i tebi, poginuti od granate, hvala je Bogu, ali gledati zlotvora da ti hoda pored majke i djece ne dao Bog nikome. Kazem, tako bih bez ikakve dileme da moram da biram izabrao da sam u Gazi nego negdje gdje svakog trenutka ocekujes da ce ti doci, strpati te u neki zatvor bez razloga, srusiti kucu, isprepadati porodicu...

Jacaju naravno, prije je bilo nezamislivo da za 2-3 dana ispale 2000 raketa iz Gaze, kakve god one bile.
Porediti nas rat sa sukobima Izrael-Palestina je vise nego degutantno. Opet pokazuje fundamentalno nepoznavanje situacije i historije zadnjih 75 godina dole. I generalno kao i dosta ljudi na ovoj temi pokazuje nevjerovatnu dozu subjektivnosti o jednoj specificnoj regiji, a od bezbroj kronicno konfliktnih situacija u svijetu.

Ti si pobjegao jer ti je porodica znala da se radi o zivotu i smrti, bukvalno. Ti smatras da zivot svakog Palestinca na okupiranoj teritoriji visi o koncu? Ono, dijete iz Hebrona recimo strepi hoce li mu roditelji zavrsiti u konc logoru tipa Omarska?
Hajmo ovako - koliko je Palestinaca smrtno stradalo od strane Izraelaca, sto vojnika sto civila, u zadnjih 20, 30, 50 godina? Ima li neka brojka, nadji najvecu sto mozes.

Onda molim te nadji brojku koliko su cetnici ubili ljudi u 3 i po godine rata.

U Gazi sam mnogo puta gledao rusenje buldozerima. I juce su im prijetili uci sa tenkovima. Naravno da im mogu doci i srusiti kucu ili zgradu. Cetnici to nisu mogli.
Ispaljivane su i prikje rakete iz Gaze, ne znam od kad ti pratis desavanja ali to se desava bar 20 godina.
U Gazi je humanitarna katastrofa, ljudi zive u najgoroj mogucoj bijedi dok ih Izraelci ravnaju svako malo. Na Zapadnoj Obali im po malo smanjuju teritorij. U I. Jerusalemu kao sto vidimo istjeruju iz kuca. Palestinska teritorija nikad manja, a njihovo uticaj u svijetu nikad beznacajniji. Nekad se pricalo o tom sukobu kao da se radi o jednako jakim snagama. PLO zario i palio u cijeloj regiji ne samo u Palestini. Bruka zemalja je vojno bila spremna da napadne Izrael.
A danas, totalna prcija, enklava, i ti se pitas o nekom jacanju otpora?

Zbog ovoga su Palestinci tu gdje i jesu. Svi ih nesto kao podrzavaju da izdrze u svojim nastojanjima. Strasno kako se manipulise tim ljudima.
A sto je najzalosnije, to najvise odgovara upravo Izraelu.
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#18853 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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exliberal-ex wrote: 15/05/2021 05:01
jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 04:49

De mi kratko odgovori: Gdje se nalaze ta jevrejska naselja koja spominjes i gdje se desavaju ta istjerivanja iz domova?
Ako moze nekoliko lokacija.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ctions.pdf


ovdje imas lokacije o kojim govoris, podatci su iz 2020
Hvala. To je upravo odgovor koji sam i trazio. Ali evo cekam da prof. odgovori, mozda on zna nesto sto ne znamo.
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Guadalajara wrote: 15/05/2021 02:10 @Bobi

Šta je ba ovo crveno Dangerous?

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Pa jesi kliknuo na to :D, sw klikni da vidimo sta je ?
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Aida_Beba wrote: 15/05/2021 01:12
Nadzornik wrote: 14/05/2021 23:38 Ovo je vec neodgovorno ponasanje... :?

Na satelitskoj slici se moze vidjeti Dzamija i djeciji vrtic u blizini ulaza u Hamasove tunele:

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Sta te cudi? Pa vidi odakle ispaljuju rakete, naselje, kuce, djeca na ulici, po prozorima, i kada IDF odgovori onda :oops:

jebote pa oni imaju bolje oružje nego sto smo mi imali, a nemaju zvanično vojske a mi imali Armiju RBiH
u vezi ovoga što su u gusto naseljenim područjima već reko... i nemaju puno izbora s obzirom da du najnasejenije mjesto na planeti, nekih 300-400 km2 i 1,5 milion stanovnika !!!
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Palmalma wrote: 15/05/2021 00:41
DinoTK wrote: 15/05/2021 00:36
Palmalma wrote: 15/05/2021 00:30

Valjda i 6-7 miliona Palestinaca ima pravo na život, vlasništvo i sva ljudska prava? Ili ti misliš drugačije?
imaju li pravo nasumice raketirat civilne objekte po Izraelu ?
jesu li to ljudska prava?
ili način za ostvarenje istih
I Izrael to isto radi. Ako ima on, što ne bi i oni. Ili po tebi za njih važe druga pravila?
ne znam šta bi reko
ja sam pokušavam biti objektivan i neutralan

ali je fakat da u ovom zadnjem sukobu hamas je PRVI počeo da raketira Izrael civilne objekte

e sad je li to način ili nije, ne znam

nisam siguran da ne bi i Izrael, teoretski da zakuha žestoko sa Iranom, ne bi na isti način poslao rakete na iranske gradove !!! i roko po civilima, bilo sa bojevim ili čak nuklearnim glavama !!!
tako da se sve svodi na način percepcije neke strane sta je "moralno, opravdano" a šta ne

uglavnom danas po sadasnjim standardima nije u redu nasumice rokat po civilima
i ne treba imat duple aršine
svi naravno osuđujemo srpske zločince zbog granatiranja Sarajeva i drugih gradova
a sada u sukobu Palestina-Izrael samo što su u pitanju muslimani staje se na stranu terorizma i raketiranje civila sad nije zločin
čisti dupli aršini
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Tu bas vjerujes da cionisti gadjaju samo pripadnike Hamasa i da je bas svaka porusena zgrada (uz kolateral koji ide uz to, i koji je 10 puta veci) povezana sa Hamasom? Neutralno nema sta, narocito kad se vidi kako provode demokratska naseljavanja i upade u stanove, teror na djecom po ulicama, itd itd.
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#18858 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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Netanyahu je porucio da ce udarati Gazu ''koliko bude potrebno''. How many days/weeks? Mislim da ce sve uraditi samo da se hezbollah iz Libana ne ukljuci. Oni se s njima znaju tuci sto su i pokazali posljednji put i tu ce biti pazljivi.
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#18859 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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. I šta kažu cionisti?
Vele da su nadmudrili Hamas, rekli da će ući kopneno pa onda nisu, uništili im neke tunele.
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Ne vjeruj ništa što procitaš na internetu, a što se tice kopnenog ulaska za to nemaju muda a ni razloga.
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jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 05:30
exliberal-ex wrote: 15/05/2021 05:01
jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 04:49

De mi kratko odgovori: Gdje se nalaze ta jevrejska naselja koja spominjes i gdje se desavaju ta istjerivanja iz domova?
Ako moze nekoliko lokacija.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ctions.pdf


ovdje imas lokacije o kojim govoris, podatci su iz 2020
Hvala. To je upravo odgovor koji sam i trazio. Ali evo cekam da prof. odgovori, mozda on zna nesto sto ne znamo.
Pa da li ti pratiš i čitaš upise na ovoj temi ili samo pišeš? Na zadnjih 10 stranica postavljeno koliko hoćeš video snimaka gdje razulareni hebrejski fanatici ulaze silom u kuće palestinaca i izbacuju im stvari na ulicu a ti se praviš lud i tražiš da ti ja googlam i postavljam linkove :lol:
Pismen si valjda, troši svoje vrijeme pa se informiši i obrazuj, ionako si po cijele dana non stop po forumu

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Evo ti mapa pa sam oduzmu i saberi gdje su ta Jevrejska naselja
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jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 04:51
Tempo wrote: 14/05/2021 21:11
jeza u ledja wrote: 14/05/2021 20:07

:-)
Ja napisem sta sam procitao ti napises “jes, ti znas”. Nidze veze.

Procito sam ja na tarabi pise picka, al ga nisam gurno.
Svaka cast.
Trebas shvatiti da sve sto pise nije istina i da nije dobro siriti neprovjerene glasine. Nadalje, o tome sto procitas trebas razmisliti, vidjeti ima li to logike, koji su motivi toga koji to pise, kakav je medij koji je to objavio i slicno, a ne uzimati stvar zdravo za gotovo samo zato sto ti text godi, podilazi, potvrdjuje tvoje predrasude ili jednostavno nemas pojma o cemu se radi.
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Guadalajara wrote: 15/05/2021 02:07 Ovo je neki UZPovac...samo dobro maskiran sa niknejmom Aida :lol:
Osoba je nekad u nisku imala ns za Novi Sad.
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Tempo wrote: 15/05/2021 10:14
jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 04:51
Tempo wrote: 14/05/2021 21:11


Procito sam ja na tarabi pise picka, al ga nisam gurno.
Svaka cast.
Trebas shvatiti da sve sto pise nije istina i da nije dobro siriti neprovjerene glasine. Nadalje, o tome sto procitas trebas razmisliti, vidjeti ima li to logike, koji su motivi toga koji to pise, kakav je medij koji je to objavio i slicno, a ne uzimati stvar zdravo za gotovo samo zato sto ti text godi, podilazi, potvrdjuje tvoje predrasude ili jednostavno nemas pojma o cemu se radi.
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Tempo wrote: 15/05/2021 10:14
jeza u ledja wrote: 15/05/2021 04:51
Tempo wrote: 14/05/2021 21:11


Procito sam ja na tarabi pise picka, al ga nisam gurno.
Svaka cast.
Trebas shvatiti da sve sto pise nije istina i da nije dobro siriti neprovjerene glasine. Nadalje, o tome sto procitas trebas razmisliti, vidjeti ima li to logike, koji su motivi toga koji to pise, kakav je medij koji je to objavio i slicno, a ne uzimati stvar zdravo za gotovo samo zato sto ti text godi, podilazi, potvrdjuje tvoje predrasude ili jednostavno nemas pojma o cemu se radi.
:thumbup:
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#18866 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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Dead Man Walking wrote: 15/05/2021 09:20 Tu bas vjerujes da cionisti gadjaju samo pripadnike Hamasa i da je bas svaka porusena zgrada (uz kolateral koji ide uz to, i koji je 10 puta veci) povezana sa Hamasom? Neutralno nema sta, narocito kad se vidi kako provode demokratska naseljavanja i upade u stanove, teror na djecom po ulicama, itd itd.
ja to nigdje nisam napiso da i Izrael ne gađa civilne objekte
moja je poenta cijelo vrijeme bila da je ovaj put raketiranje PRVI počeo hamas, a Izrael uzvratio i tako se vrte ukrug

i uopste nećes da čitaš sta sam pisao nego sebi tumačiš onako kako ti misliš

jasno sam rekao da bi sutra u slučaju rata sa Iranom isto tako, na isti način kao i hamas, i Izrael roko rakeatama po gradovima Irana i ubijao civile bilo sa bojevim glavama bilo čak nuklerkama
elem, sve je to isto
ali ne treba prikazivat ni palestinsku stranu kao nevinašcad
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Fantastican clanak novinarske legende, Chrisa Hedgesa, u kojem bas povlaci paralelu i izmedju opkoljenog Sarajeva i Gaze, sto meni pojedini ovdje apriori osporise (argumentujuci time da nisam bio u Sarajevu, e pa Chris Hedges jeste bio i u opkoljenom Sarajevu i u opkoljenoj Gazi):
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Chris Hedges: Israel, the Big Lie
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Israel is not exercising “the right to defend itself” in the occupied Palestinian territories. It is carrying out mass murder, aided and abetted by the U.S.


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By Chris Hedges
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Nearly all the words and phrases used by the Democrats, Republicans and the talking heads on the media to describe the unrest inside Israel and the heaviest Israeli assault against the Palestinians since the 2014 attacks on Gaza, which lasted 51 days and killed more than 2,200 Palestinians, including 551 children, are a lie.

Israel, by employing its military machine against an occupied population that does not have mechanized units, an air force, navy, missiles, heavy artillery and command-and-control, not to mention a U.S. commitment to provide a $38 billion defense aid package for Israel over the next decade, is not exercising “the right to defend itself.” It is carrying out mass murder. It is a war crime.

Israel has made it clear it is ready to destroy and kill as wantonly now as it was in 2014. Israel’s defense minister Benny Gantz, who was the chief of staff during the murderous assault on Gaza in 2014, has vowed that if Hamas “does not stop the violence, the strike of 2021 will be harder and more painful than that of 2014.” The current attacks have already targeted several residential high rises including buildings that housed over a dozen local and international press agencies, government buildings, roads, public facilities, agricultural lands, two schools and a mosque.

Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz briefs soldiers, 2012. (Israeli Defense Forces via Flickr)
Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz briefs soldiers, 2012. (Israeli Defense Forces via Flickr)

I spent seven years in the Middle East as a correspondent, four of them as The New York Times Middle East Bureau Chief. I am an Arabic speaker. I lived for weeks at a time in Gaza, the world’s largest open-air prison where over 2 million Palestinians exist on the edge of starvation, struggle to find clean water and endure constant Israeli terror. I have been in Gaza when it was pounded with Israeli artillery and air strikes. I have watched mothers and fathers, wailing in grief, cradling the bloodied bodies of their sons and daughters. I know the crimes of the occupation—the food shortages caused by the Israeli blockade, the stifling overcrowding, the contaminated water, the lack of health services, the near constant electrical outages due to the Israeli targeting of power plants, the crippling poverty, the endemic unemployment, the fear and the despair. I have witnessed the carnage.

I also have listened from Gaza to the lies emanating from Jerusalem and Washington. Israel’s indiscriminate use of modern, industrial weapons to kill thousands of innocents, wound thousands more and make tens of thousands of families homeless is not a war: It is state-sponsored terror. And, while I oppose the indiscriminate firing of rockets by Palestinians into Israel, as I oppose suicide bombings, seeing them also as war crimes, I am acutely aware of a huge disparity between the industrial violence carried out by Israel against innocent Palestinians and the minimal acts of violence capable of being waged by groups such as Hamas.

The false equivalency between Israeli and Palestinian violence was echoed during the war I covered in Bosnia. Those of us in the besieged city of Sarajevo were pounded daily with hundreds of heavy shells and rockets from the surrounding Serbs. We were targeted by sniper fire. The city suffered a few dozen dead and wounded each day. The government forces inside the city fired back with light mortars and small arms fire. Supporters of the Serbs seized on any casualties caused by Bosnian government forces to play the same dirty game, although well over 90 percent of the killings in Bosnia were the fault of the Serbs, as is also true regarding Israel.

The second and perhaps most important parallel is that the Serbs, like the Israelis, were the principal violators of international law. Israel is in breach of more than 30 U.N. Security Council resolutions. It is in breach of Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention that defines collective punishment of a civilian population as a war crime. It is in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention for settling over half a million Jewish Israelis on occupied Palestinian land and for the ethnic cleansing of at least 750,000 Palestinians when the Israeli state was founded and another 300,000 after Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank were occupied following the 1967 war.

Its annexation of East Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan Heights violates international law, as does its building of a security barrier in the West Bank that annexes Palestinian land into Israel. It is in violation of U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194 that states that Palestinian “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date.”

This is the truth. Any other starting point for the discussion of what is taking place between Israel and the Palestinians is a lie.

An Apartheid State


Israeli police forces in Lod, near Tel Aviv, May 11. (Israel Police, CC BY-SA 3.0, Wikimedia Commons)

Israel’s once vibrant peace movement and political left, which condemned and protested against the Israeli occupation when I lived in Jerusalem, is moribund. The right-wing Netanyahu government, despite its rhetoric about fighting terrorism, has built an alliance with the repressive regime in Saudi Arabia, which also views Iran as an enemy. Saudi Arabia, a country that produced 15 of the 19 hijackers in the September 11 attacks, is reputed to be the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting Salafist jihadism, the basis of al-Qaeda, and groups such as the Afghanistan Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.

Saudi Arabia and Israel worked closely together to back the 2013 military coup in Egypt, led by General Adbul Fattah el Sisi. Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government. He has imprisoned tens of thousands of government critics, including journalists and human rights defenders, on politically motivated charges. The Sisi regime collaborates with Israel by keeping its common border with Gaza closed to Palestinians, trapping them in the Gaza strip, one of the most densely populated places on earth. Israel’s cynicism and hypocrisy, especially when it wraps itself in the mantle of protecting democracy and fighting terrorism, is of epic proportions.

Those who are not Jewish in Israel are either second class citizens or live under brutal military occupation. Israel is not, and never has been, the exclusive homeland of the Jewish people. From the 7th century until 1948, when Jewish colonial settlers used violence and ethnic cleansing to create the state of Israel, Palestine was overwhelmingly Muslim. It was never empty land. The Jews in Palestine were traditionally a klix minority. The United States is not an honest broker for peace but has funded, enabled and defended Israel’s crimes against the Palestinian people. Israel is not defending the rule of law. Israel is not a democracy. It is an apartheid state.


Israeli soldiers searching a Palestinian in Tel Rumaida, Gilbert checkpoint. (Friends123, CC0, Wikimedia Commons)

That the lie of Israel continues to be embraced by the ruling elites – there is no daylight between statements in defense of Israeli war crimes by Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz – and used as a foundation for any discussion of Israel is a testament to the corrupting power of money, in this case that of the Israel lobby, and the bankruptcy of a political system of legalized bribery that has surrendered its autonomy and its principles to its major donors. It is also a stunning example of how colonial settler projects, and this is true in the United States, always carry out cultural genocide so they can exist in a suspended state of myth and historical amnesia to legitimize themselves.

The Israel lobby has shamelessly used its immense political clout to demand that Americans take de facto loyalty oaths to Israel. The passage by 35 state legislatures of Israel lobby-backed legislation requiring their workers and contractors, under threat of dismissal, to sign a pro-Israel oath and promise not to support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement is a mockery of our Constitutional right of free speech. Israel has lobbied the U.S. State Department to redefine anti-Semitism under a three-point test known as the Three Ds: the making of statements that “demonize” Israel; statements that apply “double standards” for Israel; statements that “delegitimize” the state of Israel. This definition of anti-Semitism is being pushed by the Israel lobby in state legislatures and on college campuses.

The Israel lobby spies in the United States, often at the direction of Israel’s Ministry of Strategic Affairs, on those who speak up for the rights of Palestinians. It wages public smear campaigns and blacklists defenders of Palestinian rights–including the Jewish historian Norman Finkelstein; former U.N. Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Territories, Richard Falk, also Jewish; and university students, many of them Jewish, in organizations such as Students for Justice in Palestine.

The Israel lobby has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to manipulate U.S. elections, far beyond anything alleged to have been carried out by Russia, China or any other country. The heavy-handed interference by Israel in the American political system, which includes operatives and donors bundling together hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions in every U.S. congressional district to bankroll compliant candidates, is documented in the Al-Jazeera four-part series “The Lobby.” Israel managed to block “The Lobby” from being broadcast.

In the film, a pirated copy of which is available on the website Electronic Intifada, the leaders of the Israel lobby are repeatedly captured on a reporter’s hidden camera explaining how they, backed by the intelligence services within Israel, attack and silence American critics and use massive cash donations to buy politicians. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu secured the unconstitutional invitation by then-House Speaker John Boehner to address Congress in 2015 to denounce President Barack Obama’s Iranian nuclear agreement.

Netanyahu’s open defiance of Obama and alliance with the Republican Party, however, did not stop Obama in 2014 from authorizing a 10-year $38 billion military aid package to Israel, a sad commentary on how captive American politics is to Israeli interests.

Shift to the Far-Right

The investment by Israel and is backers is worth it, especially when you consider that the U.S. has also spent over $6 trillion during the last 20 years fighting futile wars that Israel and its lobby pushed for in the Middle East. These wars are the greatest strategic debacle in American history, accelerating the decline of the American empire, bankrupting the nation at a time of economic stagnation and mounting poverty, and turning huge parts of the globe against us. They serve Israel’s interests, not ours.

The longer the mendacious Israeli narrative is embraced, the more empowered become the racists, bigots, conspiracy theorists and far-right hate groups inside and outside Israel. This steady shift to the far right in Israel has fostered an alliance between Israel and the Christian right, many of whom are anti-Semites. The more Israel and the Israel lobby level the charge of anti-Semitism against those who speak up for Palestinian rights, as they did against British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, the more they embolden the real anti-Semites.

Racism, including anti-Semitism, is dangerous. It is not only bad for the Jews. It is bad for everyone. It empowers the dark forces of ethnic and religious hatred on the extremes. Netanyahu’s racist government has built alliances with far-right leaders in Hungary, India, and Brazil, and was closely allied with Donald Trump. Racists and ethnic chauvinists, as I saw in the wars in the former Yugoslavia, feed off of each other. They divide societies into polarized, antagonistic camps that only speak in the language of violence. The radical jihadists need Israel to justify their violence, just as Israel needs the radical jihadists to justify its violence. These extremists are ideological twins.


Jan. 6, 2009: Gaza burning, (Al Jazeera English, Flickr, CC BY-SA 2.0)

This polarization fosters a fearful, militarized society. It permits the ruling elites in Israel, as in the United States, to dismantle civil liberties in the name of national security. Israel runs training programs for militarized police, including from the United States. It is a global player in the multibillion-dollar drone industry, competing against China and the United States.

It oversees hundreds of cyber-surveillance startups whose espionage innovations, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, have been utilized abroad “to locate and detain human rights activists, persecute members of the LGBT community, silence citizens critical of their governments, and even fabricate cases of blasphemy against Islam in Muslim countries that don’t maintain formal relations with Israel.”

Israel, like the United States, has been poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. One million Israelis, many of them among the most enlightened and educated, have left the country. Its most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists—Israeli and Palestinian—endure constant government surveillance, arbitrary arrests and vicious government-run smear campaigns. Mobs and vigilantes, including thugs from right-wing youth groups such as Im Tirtzu, physically assault dissidents, Palestinians, Israeli Arabs and African immigrants in the slums of Tel Aviv. These Jewish extremists have targeted Palestinians in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, demanding their expulsion.

They are supported by an array of anti-Arab groups including the Otzma Yehudit Party, the ideological descendant of the outlawed Kach party, the Lehava movement, which calls for all Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories to be expelled to surrounding Arab states, and La Familia, far-right soccer hooligans. Lehava in Hebrew means “flame” and is the acronym for “Prevention of Assimilation in the Holy Land.” Mobs of these Jewish fanatics parade through Palestinian neighborhoods, including in occupied East Jerusalem, protected by Israeli police, shouting to the Palestinians who live there “Death to the Arabs,” which is also a popular chant at Israeli soccer matches.

Israel has pushed through a series of discriminatory laws against non-Jews that echo the racist Nuremberg Laws that disenfranchised Jews in Nazi Germany. The Communities Acceptance Law, for example, permits “small, exclusively Jewish towns planted across Israel’s Galilee region to formally reject applicants for residency on the grounds of “suitability to the community’s fundamental outlook.” Israel’s educational system, starting in primary school, uses the Holocaust to portray Jews as eternal victims. This victimhood is an indoctrination machine used to justify racism, Islamophobia, religious chauvinism and the deification of the Israeli military.

There are many parallels between the deformities that grip Israel and the deformities that grip the United States. The two countries are moving at warp speed towards a 21st century fascism, cloaked in religious language, which will revoke what remains of our civil liberties and snuff out our anemic democracies. The failure of the United States to stand up for the rule of law, to demand that the Palestinians, powerless and friendless, even in the Arab world, be granted basic human rights mirrors the abandonment of the vulnerable within our own society.

We are headed, I fear, down the road Israel is heading down. It will be devastating for the Palestinians. It will be devastating for us. And all resistance, as the Palestinians courageously show us, will only come from the street.

Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent for 15 years for The New York Times, where he served as the Middle East bureau chief and Balkan bureau chief for the paper. He previously worked overseas for The Dallas Morning News, The Christian Science Monitor and NPR. He is the host of the Emmy Award-nominated RT America show “On Contact.”

This column is from Scheerpost, for which Chris Hedges writes a regular column twice a month. Click here to sign up for email alerts.

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Svako dalje razglabanje o bilo cemu je suvisno.
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#18868 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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aerodinamika wrote: 15/05/2021 02:59jedino rjesenje je formiranje jedne drzave za svaki narod,trebalo bi da se posalju muslimanske mirovne snage i istocni dio jerusalema, zapadnu obalu, gazu, da se hamas razoruza, i da se okrene ekonomiji i igzgradnjii blagosztanja
Izrael nece pustiti nikakve muslimanske snage, jedino mozda medjunarodne snage sa dominantnom ulogom Amerike.

Cijeli Jeruzalem je izraelski i to se ne moze promijeniti. Maksimum koji Palestinci mogu dobiti je specijalni status za al-Aksu.
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ako ništa drugo hamas ih isrpljuje finansijski

dok njihova "Kasim" raketa košta pisljivih 500 dolara
dotle izraelska iz štita košta 50.000 dolara

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DinoTK wrote: 15/05/2021 10:45
Dead Man Walking wrote: 15/05/2021 09:20 Tu bas vjerujes da cionisti gadjaju samo pripadnike Hamasa i da je bas svaka porusena zgrada (uz kolateral koji ide uz to, i koji je 10 puta veci) povezana sa Hamasom? Neutralno nema sta, narocito kad se vidi kako provode demokratska naseljavanja i upade u stanove, teror na djecom po ulicama, itd itd.
ja to nigdje nisam napiso da i Izrael ne gađa civilne objekte
moja je poenta cijelo vrijeme bila da je ovaj put raketiranje PRVI počeo hamas, a Izrael uzvratio i tako se vrte ukrug

i uopste nećes da čitaš sta sam pisao nego sebi tumačiš onako kako ti misliš

jasno sam rekao da bi sutra u slučaju rata sa Iranom isto tako, na isti način kao i hamas, i Izrael roko rakeatama po gradovima Irana i ubijao civile bilo sa bojevim glavama bilo čak nuklerkama
elem, sve je to isto
ali ne treba prikazivat ni palestinsku stranu kao nevinašcad
Jeste, tako i u Sarajevu ubismo svata i poce rat :oops:

Kako nam je bilo krivo kada su isto ovako govorili da ni mi nismo bili nevinscad.

Ne brini, prije bi Iran preorao kompletan Izrael uzduz i poprijeko, nego bi Izrael uspio te Iranske gradove. Da bi to shvatio moras znati red velicina.
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salik79 wrote: 15/05/2021 11:01
DinoTK wrote: 15/05/2021 10:45
Dead Man Walking wrote: 15/05/2021 09:20 Tu bas vjerujes da cionisti gadjaju samo pripadnike Hamasa i da je bas svaka porusena zgrada (uz kolateral koji ide uz to, i koji je 10 puta veci) povezana sa Hamasom? Neutralno nema sta, narocito kad se vidi kako provode demokratska naseljavanja i upade u stanove, teror na djecom po ulicama, itd itd.
ja to nigdje nisam napiso da i Izrael ne gađa civilne objekte
moja je poenta cijelo vrijeme bila da je ovaj put raketiranje PRVI počeo hamas, a Izrael uzvratio i tako se vrte ukrug

i uopste nećes da čitaš sta sam pisao nego sebi tumačiš onako kako ti misliš

jasno sam rekao da bi sutra u slučaju rata sa Iranom isto tako, na isti način kao i hamas, i Izrael roko rakeatama po gradovima Irana i ubijao civile bilo sa bojevim glavama bilo čak nuklerkama
elem, sve je to isto
ali ne treba prikazivat ni palestinsku stranu kao nevinašcad
Jeste, tako i u Sarajevu ubismo svata i poce rat :oops:

Kako nam je bilo krivo kada su isto ovako govorili da ni mi nismo bili nevinscad.
tvoja percepcija stvari
i zamjena teza
što nema niđe veze s onim o čemu ja pričam

čuj ubijanje svata i raketiranje on stavlja u isti koš
Ne brini, prije bi Iran preorao kompletan Izrael uzduz i poprijeko, nego bi Izrael uspio te Iranske gradove. Da bi to shvatio moras znati red velicina.
s ovom nebulozom sam te diskvalifikovo kao potpuno nekompetentnog sagovornika
hajd što si pristran, pa i nekako, svako na svoj mlin navodi
al sto pojma nemaš
nit je Iran nuklearna sila nit ima spomena vrijednu protivzračnu odbranu
jesu li to oni sto greskom skinuše civilni avion nedavno, ne razlikuju civilni avion od rakete sunci ti j....

podsjetio si me na slično onanisanje na Irak i Sadama prije sukoba sa US
kao oni ovo, oni ono.....

razbucaše ih Ameri da nisu znali đe im je dupe a đe glava
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DinoTK wrote: 15/05/2021 11:22
salik79 wrote: 15/05/2021 11:01
DinoTK wrote: 15/05/2021 10:45

ja to nigdje nisam napiso da i Izrael ne gađa civilne objekte
moja je poenta cijelo vrijeme bila da je ovaj put raketiranje PRVI počeo hamas, a Izrael uzvratio i tako se vrte ukrug

i uopste nećes da čitaš sta sam pisao nego sebi tumačiš onako kako ti misliš

jasno sam rekao da bi sutra u slučaju rata sa Iranom isto tako, na isti način kao i hamas, i Izrael roko rakeatama po gradovima Irana i ubijao civile bilo sa bojevim glavama bilo čak nuklerkama
elem, sve je to isto
ali ne treba prikazivat ni palestinsku stranu kao nevinašcad
Jeste, tako i u Sarajevu ubismo svata i poce rat :oops:

Kako nam je bilo krivo kada su isto ovako govorili da ni mi nismo bili nevinscad.
tvoja percepcija stvari
i zamjena teza
što nema niđe veze s onim o čemu ja pričam

čuj ubijanje svata i raketiranje on stavlja u isti koš
Ne brini, prije bi Iran preorao kompletan Izrael uzduz i poprijeko, nego bi Izrael uspio te Iranske gradove. Da bi to shvatio moras znati red velicina.
s ovom nebulozom sam te diskvalifikovo kao potpuno nekompetentnog sagovornika
hajd što si pristran, pa i nekako, svako na svoj mlin navodi
al sto pojma nemaš
nit je Iran nuklearna sila nit ima spomena vrijednu protivzračnu odbranu
jesu li to oni sto greskom skinuše civilni avion nedavno, ne razlikuju civilni avion od rakete sunci ti j....

podsjetio si me na slično onanisanje na Irak i Sadama prije sukoba sa US
kao oni ovo, oni ono.....

razbucaše ih Ameri da nisu znali đe im je dupe a đe glava
Nisi dovljno kapacitiran da skontas da ako zelis nekoga okriviti i isprovocirati za rat da ces naci povod...

Ja se diskvalifikovao?! Da ti navedem koje su sve drzave i vojske, pa cak i za vrijeme vojnih vjezbi, srusile putnicke avione?

Iran, koji je intaktno prizemljio, ksnije i potpuno desifrovao RQ-170, koji je oborio za vecinu radara nevidljivi Globalhawk, a prije toga upozorio vojni avion sa posadom i vojskom da se povuce, na cemu im se i Trump zahvalio. Onaj Iran koji je, kao jedina drzava na svijetu, od kraja 2. Svj. rata, izraketirao najvecu americku vojnu bazu u nekoj drzavi i pored otvorenih prijetnji da ce biti unisten ako se drzne samo i petardu baciti? Je li na taj Iran mislis? A o preciznosti i razornosti raketa imas video snimke koje su Ameri objavili, kao i svjedocenja prezivjelih vojnika i oficira.
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Usput, po pitanju "skrivanja iza civila", mozda je neko propustio :oops:

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Nit je Iran za potcijenit, nit je Izrael, i obrnuto. ;-)
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