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#5626 Re: AMERIKA
jedna raketica i dovoljno
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#5627 Re: AMERIKA
tebe za next presidentaamko761 wrote: ↑04/02/2023 17:49 Hehe a čime će ga oboriti? Iznad plafona lovaca je, a gdje mu je radarski ili toplotni odraz za pvo?
I ako ga izbuše nečim opet će biti rupa ali premale da padne, a nema ništa čvrsto da aktivira upaljač za neko eksplozivno punjenje. Ovo djeluje lako samo stručnjacima sa foruma po internetima.
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#5629 Re: AMERIKA
navodno i treci baloon na horizontu...
najduzi vic, ide kinez za kinezom
eto baloona ko kineza
najduzi vic, ide kinez za kinezom
eto baloona ko kineza
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#5630 Re: AMERIKA
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ata-quirks
Sad treba gledati Lud zbunjen normalan, pa malo slusati Diiiiina i sve je laz.
Sad treba gledati Lud zbunjen normalan, pa malo slusati Diiiiina i sve je laz.
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#5631 Re: AMERIKA
Nece ti to niko tako procitati, moraju se ljudi pretpatiti da bi procitali, ali ima fazon kako to zaobici.baglama wrote: ↑05/02/2023 03:01 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ata-quirks
Sad treba gledati Lud zbunjen normalan, pa malo slusati Diiiiina i sve je laz.
SpoilerShow‘Too Good to Be True’ Jobs Report Draws Skeptics on Data Quirks
Bloomberg Economics said payrolls surged on seasonal factors
Others played that down, noting figures looked ‘pretty clean’
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Economists are scratching their heads as to whether the US labor market is truly as strong as the latest employment report indicates or if wonky adjustments are getting in the way.
Employers added 517,000 jobs in January — nearly double the prior month’s advance and above all estimates in a Bloomberg survey. The unemployment rate also unexpectedly retreated to 3.4%, the lowest since 1969, according to Labor Department data released Friday.
Forecasters can at least agree on this much: the jobs market has shown few signs of falling victim to the Federal Reserve’s most aggressive interest-rate hiking campaign in a generation.
But the employment report was complicated by the government’s annual benchmarking process, as well as an update of seasonal adjustment factors and population controls that economists indicated before the release could make the data difficult to interpret.
“Seasonal adjustment factors appear to have flattered the headline as smaller-than-usual post-holiday layoffs bolstered the payrolls numbers,” Wells Fargo & Co. economists Sarah House and Michael Pugliese said in a note.
“We suspect members of the FOMC will take January’s blowout employment report with somewhat of a grain of salt,” they said, referring to the Federal Open Market Committee that sets monetary policy.
What Bloomberg Economics Says...
“If it seems too good to be true, that’s because it is too good to be true — the gain is mostly due to seasonal factors and revisions to past data. Still, it can’t be denied that the labor market remains tight. The Fed won’t place too much weight on this headline jobs number when formulating policy.”
— Anna Wong and Eliza Winger, economists
To read the full note, click here
The jobs report is composed of two surveys, one of households and the other of businesses. Each were affected by the Labor Department’s yearly fine-tuning process designed to paint a more accurate picture of the job market.
The release included an annual update to the population controls used in the household survey, which tracks the unemployment and participation rates, as well as the employment-to-population ratio. The adjustment boosted the estimated population size by nearly 1 million and the civilian labor force by 871,000.
For the establishment survey, the government’s updated seasonal factors may have impacted the headline payrolls figure. On an unadjusted basis, payrolls actually fell by 2.5 million last month.
The Labor Department also reclassified about 10% of employment into different industries in accordance with an update to the North American Industry Classification System. That resulted in “major revisions” to sectors like retail trade and information, as well as “minor” ones within industries like manufacturing and financial services, according to the report.
What’s more, the yearly update to the establishment survey showed job growth was revised higher for the final six months of 2022.
“Revisions due to both the NAICS 2022 conversion and the benchmark process affected more historical data than typical in the annual benchmark process,” the Labor Department said in the report.
Job Growth Powers Ahead, Unemployment Hits 53-Year Low | Gain in January payrolls topped all forecasts while wages stayed firm
Others aren’t so convinced that the revisions played much of a role. The 2.5 million decline in unadjusted payrolls was the smallest for January since 1995 — significant for a month that’s typically weak due to laying off holiday workers.
“We can’t completely dismiss all of these data. We can’t blame it on the seasonals,” said Jennifer Lee, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets. “Breaking it down by industry, it’s pretty safe to say there’s wall-to-wall strength.”
Omair Sharif, president of Inflation Insights LLC, noted that could reflect labor hoarding, which economists say may be contributing to job market resilience because employers are desperate to hold onto staff that they worked so hard to hire in the last few years. That was most evident in the health, leisure and construction sectors, he said.
‘Clean Read’
“I think we can rule out seasonal adjustment and the response rate as possible sources of distortion in the data,” Sharif said in a note. “For the most part, the payrolls data looks like a pretty clean read.”
It’s tough to say how the Fed will view the data. As much as policymakers would probably want to discount the strength in the labor market — which they see as one of the last hurdles to taming inflation — other indicators like a surge in job openings and historically low unemployment claims show demand for workers is broadly intact and greatly exceeds supply.
“It seems reasonable to expect a correction in payroll growth in February, but the labor market nonetheless is going to look tight when the Fed sits down in March,” Ian Shepherdson, chief economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said in a note. “The Fed thinks the labor market is too tight, and the latest payroll and unemployment data do not change that picture.”
— With assistance by Augusta Saraiva
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#5636 Re: AMERIKA
Zašto bi Kina, nuklearna super sila sa oko 500 svojih satelita koji kruže planetom, poslala ogromni i lako vidljivi balon da špijunira Ameriku? Razumijem ja mržnju Amerike prema toj osovini Rusija-Iran-Kina, ali ovo je već nepotrebno preuveličavanje i huškanje na rat. Balon je vjerovatno zalutao jer balone za praćenje vremena ne možeš baš kontrolisati, i stalno ih vazdušne struje nose u tuđe teritorije.
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#5637 Re: AMERIKA
Ako sam dobro shvatio zato sto balon mozes upravljati. To da li je slucajno usao je nebitno. Naravno da ce ga srusiti. Meni nije jasno sto su uopce dozvolili da udje na teritoriju US. Treba li su ga prije skinuti.qlface wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:14 Zašto bi Kina, nuklearna super sila sa oko 500 svojih satelita koji kruže planetom, poslala ogromni i lako vidljivi balon da špijunira Ameriku? Razumijem ja mržnju Amerike prema toj osovini Rusija-Iran-Kina, ali ovo je već nepotrebno preuveličavanje i huškanje na rat. Balon je vjerovatno zalutao jer balone za praćenje vremena ne možeš baš kontrolisati, i stalno ih vazdušne struje nose u tuđe teritorije.
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#5638 Re: AMERIKA
Bas je ratoborna ta Amerika, rusi tudje balone iznad svoje teritorije.qlface wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:14 Zašto bi Kina, nuklearna super sila sa oko 500 svojih satelita koji kruže planetom, poslala ogromni i lako vidljivi balon da špijunira Ameriku? Razumijem ja mržnju Amerike prema toj osovini Rusija-Iran-Kina, ali ovo je već nepotrebno preuveličavanje i huškanje na rat. Balon je vjerovatno zalutao jer balone za praćenje vremena ne možeš baš kontrolisati, i stalno ih vazdušne struje nose u tuđe teritorije.
Nema veze sto su morali zaustavljati avionski saobracaj. Nek prodje balon slobodno.
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#5639 Re: AMERIKA
Pravda za balon
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#5640 Re: AMERIKA
Moja poenta je da su mediji, prepisujući od američkih, ovo potpuno nepotrebno predstavili kao provokaciju vojne/obavještajne prirode, i to usred jako velikih tenzija na svjetskoj sceni. Nema potrebe za sarkazmom, pogotovo kada ne shvatiš kontekst komentara.jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/02/2023 15:02Bas je ratoborna ta Amerika, rusi tudje balone iznad svoje teritorije.qlface wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:14 Zašto bi Kina, nuklearna super sila sa oko 500 svojih satelita koji kruže planetom, poslala ogromni i lako vidljivi balon da špijunira Ameriku? Razumijem ja mržnju Amerike prema toj osovini Rusija-Iran-Kina, ali ovo je već nepotrebno preuveličavanje i huškanje na rat. Balon je vjerovatno zalutao jer balone za praćenje vremena ne možeš baš kontrolisati, i stalno ih vazdušne struje nose u tuđe teritorije.
Nema veze sto su morali zaustavljati avionski saobracaj. Nek prodje balon slobodno.
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#5641 Re: AMERIKA
Balon se, bar koliko sam ja upućen, samo pusti i prati da se vidi putanja vazdušnih struja. Nije da ima neke potisnike ili krila da se vrši bitnija kontrola, samo par instrumenata tipa termometar i možda neka najosnovnija kamera. Za tu eventualnu kameru razumijem da je postala problem kada je počeo da se približava bazi sa balističkim raketama, ali da je zaista bio špijunski to bi se oborilo prije nego bi i vidjelo američku obalu. Ovo sve miriše na vještačko dizanje tenzija koje nkome ne treba.ReymondReddington wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:25Ako sam dobro shvatio zato sto balon mozes upravljati. To da li je slucajno usao je nebitno. Naravno da ce ga srusiti. Meni nije jasno sto su uopce dozvolili da udje na teritoriju US. Treba li su ga prije skinuti.qlface wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:14 Zašto bi Kina, nuklearna super sila sa oko 500 svojih satelita koji kruže planetom, poslala ogromni i lako vidljivi balon da špijunira Ameriku? Razumijem ja mržnju Amerike prema toj osovini Rusija-Iran-Kina, ali ovo je već nepotrebno preuveličavanje i huškanje na rat. Balon je vjerovatno zalutao jer balone za praćenje vremena ne možeš baš kontrolisati, i stalno ih vazdušne struje nose u tuđe teritorije.
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#5642 Re: AMERIKA
A cekaj, nije spijunski balon?
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#5643 Re: AMERIKA
Sta znaci “vjestacko dizanje tenzija”? Sta ih cini vjestackim? Je li to postoji “prirodno” dizanje tenzija?qlface wrote: ↑05/02/2023 15:16Balon se, bar koliko sam ja upućen, samo pusti i prati da se vidi putanja vazdušnih struja. Nije da ima neke potisnike ili krila da se vrši bitnija kontrola, samo par instrumenata tipa termometar i možda neka najosnovnija kamera. Za tu eventualnu kameru razumijem da je postala problem kada je počeo da se približava bazi sa balističkim raketama, ali da je zaista bio špijunski to bi se oborilo prije nego bi i vidjelo američku obalu. Ovo sve miriše na vještačko dizanje tenzija koje nkome ne treba.ReymondReddington wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:25
Ako sam dobro shvatio zato sto balon mozes upravljati. To da li je slucajno usao je nebitno. Naravno da ce ga srusiti. Meni nije jasno sto su uopce dozvolili da udje na teritoriju US. Treba li su ga prije skinuti.
Kako mozes kineski balon iznad americke teritorije prozvati u stvari americkim huskanjem na rat?
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#5644 Re: AMERIKA
Ma na spijunski se svasta moze nadograditi. A najbolje i jeste kad ga mozes pretstaviti kao obicni balon za mjerenje vremena. Dizanje tenzija je i kina mogla izbjeci tako sto je mogla debelo prije izaci u javnost i reci da postoji mogucnost da balon udje na teritoriji amerike. Tako bi onda i svu ovu dramu jednostavno mogli izbjeci jer bi unaprijed javnost znala za to. Ali ovo ces uraditi ako balon stvarno mjeri samo vrijeme.qlface wrote: ↑05/02/2023 15:16Balon se, bar koliko sam ja upućen, samo pusti i prati da se vidi putanja vazdušnih struja. Nije da ima neke potisnike ili krila da se vrši bitnija kontrola, samo par instrumenata tipa termometar i možda neka najosnovnija kamera. Za tu eventualnu kameru razumijem da je postala problem kada je počeo da se približava bazi sa balističkim raketama, ali da je zaista bio špijunski to bi se oborilo prije nego bi i vidjelo američku obalu. Ovo sve miriše na vještačko dizanje tenzija koje nkome ne treba.ReymondReddington wrote: ↑05/02/2023 11:25
Ako sam dobro shvatio zato sto balon mozes upravljati. To da li je slucajno usao je nebitno. Naravno da ce ga srusiti. Meni nije jasno sto su uopce dozvolili da udje na teritoriju US. Treba li su ga prije skinuti.
Ja sam za ovo cuo tek kad je balon vec bio iznad amerike. Ameri sad prikupljaju ostatke vidjet cemo hoce li ovo ostati samo kao incident.
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#5645 Re: AMERIKA
Koliko shvatih ovi baloni su cesta pojava ali ne posred americke teritorije.
Ili je zalutao ili su poslali da vide kako ce Ameri reagovati. Poslije puste pricu kako Ameri huskaju na rat ne bi li se ko upecao. Sve i da je meteoroloski ne mijenja fakat da je poremetio americki avionski saobracaj.
Ne kaze se djaba “probni balon”.
A u medije je sve izletilo jer je balon bio vise nego vidljiv obicnom stanovnistvu.
Ili je zalutao ili su poslali da vide kako ce Ameri reagovati. Poslije puste pricu kako Ameri huskaju na rat ne bi li se ko upecao. Sve i da je meteoroloski ne mijenja fakat da je poremetio americki avionski saobracaj.
Ne kaze se djaba “probni balon”.
A u medije je sve izletilo jer je balon bio vise nego vidljiv obicnom stanovnistvu.
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#5647 Re: AMERIKA
Sjecam se kad je mogao izbiti Treci svjetski rat 2001. Mozda je vec i mladja publika na klixu
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#5649 Re: AMERIKA
Imao je ogromne ove solarne panele, onako odokativno od 5 do 15 kW snage, za meteorooološki balon je to puno energije za njegove instrumente,najvjerovatnije sto kazu da je imao propelere pogonjene el. motorom i da je komotno mogao mijenjat pravac gdje je htio .
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#5650 Re: AMERIKA
"As a thumb rule, you require 10 sq meter area for a 1 kW solar system capacity."