Ukrajina

Glavne udare ukrajinske ofanzive očekujem na pravcima

Poll ended at 26/04/2023 10:03

Svatove-Starobilsk-Luhansk
20
9%
Kremina- Rubizhne - Severodonetsk - Luhansk
19
9%
Bakhmut- Alchevs'k - Luhansk
22
10%
Avdiivka/Marinka - Donetsk
21
10%
Vuhledar - Volnovaha - Mariupol
51
24%
Tokmak - Melitopol/Berdiansk
53
25%
Herson - Sevastopol
29
13%
 
Total votes: 215

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#137526 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 04/12/2022 00:56
Johny12 wrote: 04/12/2022 00:18

Vec se desilo. Po bilo kojem arsinu, Rusija ispusila. I da se sad ove linije zamrznu, ovo je katastrofalan poraz Rusije, sve ono sto je pokusala sprijeciti ili se desilo ili se desava.

Osim ako ne dudlas Putinovu propagandu da je ovo sve da bi se zastitio Donbas?

Cinis se bistrim momkom, pa tu mogucnost odbacujem.
Ako se zamrzne konflikt, i ako se baš desi to što Francuz nagovještava, onda je to velika katastrofa za Ukrajinu, kontaš?

To me boli, jer su silni ljudi nastradali, sve izgubili, ukrajinska civilizacija i ekonomija unazađena za stoljeće. Kad su Rusi zaprijetili ratom, nisu ih shvatili ozbiljno, nisu htjeli ni čuti za dogovor. Dva puta su ih Rusi pred početkom agresije bukvalno molili da se dogovore! A sad odjednom može, ili treba o tome razmišljati?

Šta Rusi ili bilo ko drugi shvata kao rusku pobjedu ili poraz, me iskreno ne zanima.

Za Ukrajinu i Ukrajince je ovo živa tragedija, kako god gledao. Jedino ako totalno oslobode teritoriju, onda se ovo ludilo donekle isplatilo, samo što trenutno i dalje sumnjam u to, nažalost.
Ma mojne mi sad patetiku, zabrinutost za civile, za ekonomiju, za golubove u parku. Ne pricamo o tome.

Svima nam je jasno sta je cetnicima bio cilj kad su napali, gdje su gurali i sta su htjeli. Problem je sto su dobili po p….

Nikad vise cetalji nece biti tamo gdje su bili krajem februara, niti ce biti u stanju postavljati zahtjeve kakve su postavljali u decembru, januaru. I to nam je svima jasno.

De facto ti je UA sada dio Nato sistema, sto se tice obuke, naoruzanja, pristupa informacijama…..

Zar nije upravo to sto je Putin htio sprijecit?

A sad opleti kako si ti plaho zabrinut i kako svi trebamo gace skinut naguziti se kad se god Putinu digne, samo da se ne talasa

Ma zahebi ti to.
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#137527 Re: Ukrajina

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Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 01:42 Evo sad sam gledao prognozu UN-a za Ukrajinu. Ide na 20 miliona joj populacija do 2100 godine. S 40 miliona.
Prognoza? Pa nije vremenska prognoza da ima osnovane parametre.
Te prognoze o kojima pricas su šuplja priča, zasnovana na trenutnim stanjima.
Ukrajina pobjeđuje, dobija Maršalov plan i pristupa EU. Veliko tržište sa očuvanim značajnim tehnologijama i kadrom može samo da dobija velike investicije. Tu se mijenja sva prognoza.
A to je sve ŠBBKBB.
Ono što je sad realnost, jeste da će Ukrajina sve što je porušeno brzo popraviti.
Ako sačuva zdravo društvo, može ići samo naprijed i na bolje iz ove tačke.
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#137528 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 04/12/2022 01:51 Ako se valjda sjecas, Rusi su u Dec., 21 poslali zahtjeve zapadu oko sigurnosne strukture u Evropi i tražili dogovor. Odbijeno.
Ako si pratio, invazija se planira od augusta 2021. Sve drugo su Ruske dimne zavjese. Laži i laži.
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#137529 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 04/12/2022 03:51
Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 01:42 Evo sad sam gledao prognozu UN-a za Ukrajinu. Ide na 20 miliona joj populacija do 2100 godine. S 40 miliona.
Prognoza? Pa nije vremenska prognoza da ima osnovane parametre.
Te prognoze o kojima pricas su šuplja priča, zasnovana na trenutnim stanjima.
Ukrajina pobjeđuje, dobija Maršalov plan i pristupa EU. Veliko tržište sa očuvanim značajnim tehnologijama i kadrom može samo da dobija velike investicije. Tu se mijenja sva prognoza.
A to je sve ŠBBKBB.
Ono što je sad realnost, jeste da će Ukrajina sve što je porušeno brzo popraviti.
Ako sačuva zdravo društvo, može ići samo naprijed i na bolje iz ove tačke.
Sta kazu profi ko ce zivjet 2100 u BiH, 2 tornjaka i 4 lisice.
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#137530 Re: Ukrajina

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Hello everybody!

The weather is getting colder in eastern Ukraine: temps are down to -2°C, sometimes -6°C, and there’s a wind from north-east. I.e. the soil is starting to freeze. That said, things are ‘heating up’ on several spots along the frontline, so here an ‘unplanned’ summary for the last two days.

AIR/MISSILE WAR

Let me start with the latest official release by the Keystone Cops in Moscow: the one from 2 December. According to the same, that and the previous day were two additional glorious days in history of the Russian Federation, its armed forces, humanity, Moon and the Solar System. To keep a (very, very) long list short: the Russians have destroyed 60 ‘Ukrainian servicemen’ (say, do they now mean there are official Armed Forces of Ukraine, or something?), then another 50, plus 50, plus ’78 artillery units in firing positions’ (to make sure: I’m really quoting their numbers from releases like this one, and seems they’re firmly convinced this is all truth), plus half the 40th Artillery Brigade… really, victories only, and everywhere, prompting ever more ‘interested Russians’ to start wondering how many ‘millions of troops’ Ukrainians have left to throw into this battle, and how Putin has set up a deadly trap for the West by his ‘leisure’ war in Ukraine…

But, I’m digressing. VKS interceptors — lately reinforced by a new batch of Su-35S’ delivered the last week — claimed a Ukrainian MiG-29 shot down over the Ukrainka area (south of Porkorvsk; obviously another R-37M-shot), while Russian air defences claimed a Su-25 shot down near ‘Nikolskoye’. As usually, no evidence was provided, thus this can only be truth. And, since the Google Earth shows the latter village as on the Kamchatka Peninsula, and I doubt any Ukrainian Su-25 overflew all the 11,000km of Russia to get shot down over its Far East, I’m left to wonder what place did they mean…

Doesn’t matter: all that does matter is that both places are in the ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’…

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Whether the latest Russian claims for downings of Ukrainian MiGs are truth or not, there’s no doubt that MiG-31s and Su-35S — both of which are armed with R-37M long-range air-to-air missiles — remain a major problem for Ukrainian Air Force. This is unlikely to change any time soon: at least not before somebody develops an effective electronic countermeasures system against that weapon.


…ah yes, and the Keystone Cops have released a video shown Su-25s of the VKS (or Wagner PMC?) that have ‘delivered air strikes against the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s military facilities and hardware. These air strikes have, ‘utterly annihilated camouflaged fortified positions and armour’….

By side that anybody with a trace of clue about air warfare can only wonder how do they want to do that with their usual, ‘spray and pray’ tactics, but: pay attention at ‘utterly annihilated’. ‘Annihilated’ wasn’t enough…?

In turn, the VKS lost a MiG-31 that crashed in the Far East of Russia — reportedly, after catching fire for unknown reasons. Except it was after that Ukrainian Su-25 shot down over Kamchatka, this was certainly not related to the Ukraine War.

With other words: things are running exactly along the plan for the 3-days invasion, and simply couldn’t get any better…. for all of Russia, for all the Russians (including Russians who do not know they are Russians — like you and me — and usually because of Nazi-propaganda), and for Putin…

Ah yes and: the first out of six MIM-23 HAWK SAM-systems pledged by Spain, should have arrived in Ukraine. Five more are to follow. At least something is happening in regards of bolstering Ukrainian air defences.

Now, due to my research about Iran-Iraq War, I happen to know a lil bit about that system, and thus think it might prove very useful in this war — especially because the version in the process of being delivered to Ukraine is much more advanced than the MIM-23B I-HAWK as used by the Iranians of the 1980s — and that one was ‘good enough’ to become known as the ‘Death Valley’ between Iraqi fighter pilots. That said, even HAWKs are certainly no replacement for all the Soviet-designed SAMs that are still forming the backbone of Ukrainian air defences, yet the ammo stocks for which are getting ever lower (apparently: as critically low as stocks of Russian ballistic- and cruise missiles).

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A typical launcher with three MIM-23 HAWK surface-to-air (SAM) missiles of the Spanish Army, as are in the process of being delivered to Ukraine.

BATTLE OF DONBAS

Kupyansk & Svatove… the Russian RUMINT is that Ukraine is preparing a new offensive from the area around Kupyansk towards east — on Svatove and Staroblisk. The Ukrainian RUMINT has it that the Russians are preparing a new offensive on Kupyansk and then down the Oskil River: indeed — and don’t ask me why — some are convinced that the Russians have already reconquered the eastern bank of the Oskil down to Kupyansk….

Sorry, this was not the case. Instead, the ZSU never wasted troops and time to advance north of Dvorichne: these would only find themselves within the range of the Russian artillery deployed in safety behind the border.


Anyway…. Ukrainians say that the Russians have deployed one battalion of VDV, plus four battalions and two tank companies of the 18th Motor Rifle Division, and then 5–9 artillery battalions to this area, lately. Therefore, Ukrainian artillery is heavily shelling numerous targets in the Svatove area, really from north through the centre down to the south of the town. Moreover, somebody blew up a Russian POL depot in the Bryansk area, torching about 50,000 tones of fuels and lubricants: that’s certainly going to delay any kind of a possible Russian offensive, or make their defence operations problematic for a while. In turn, Ukrainians are (grudgingly) confirming that the Russian artilery barrages are hampering the movement of their units and supplies in the Kupyansk area.

Actually, I would say: the ZSU is still pushing east-wards in this area: has secured the Yahidne, smashed lots of Russians there, and thus probably reached Orlyanske. Therefore, Surovikin can’t but react with deploying reinforcements to stop this advance.

Kremina…. Hard on the heels of complains from his troops (see my last report), now even the CO of the BARS 13 is complaining about vivid Ukrainian activity in the Serebryansky Forest, north of the town. Makes me think that the Russians should decide: are the Ukrainians throwing their ‘5th wave of Volkssturm’, consisting of (old) women and whatever into the battle, so the Russians have it easier to shot them to pieces, or skilfully infiltrating BARS-positions…?

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Ukrainian T-80, ‘somewhere in the Bakhmut area’. Read: could be anywhere from Svatove in the north to Novoselivka in the south…That said, Ukrainian armour is mostly held back as a reserve for counterattacks in reaction to such Russian breakthroughs like south of Bakhmut, the last few days.

Bakhmut… Meanwhile it’s sure: this is now the major show-down in this war. In reaction to the Russians massively bolstering their forces in the area, RUMINT has it that the ZSU has already re-deployed — or is in the process of re-deploying — no less than six brigades to this area.

Not all of these are in the line yet, though, and thus the Russians are pushing, wave after wave, very hard, along the entire frontline from Bilohorivka on the Siversky Donets in the north, via Soledar down the eastern side of Bakhmut to Optyne, Klishchiivka, Kurdyumivka, to Pivnichene at least. Wagner attacks on Bilohorivka, Verkhnokamyanske, and Spirne were all smashed with relative ease.

That said, the centrepiece of the fighting in this area, the last two days, was the area from Kurdyumivka to Novoselivka, south of Bakhmut. Kurdyumivka is bitterly contested while, further south, and after securing Kuzemivka, Wagner’s convicts have reached the northern and then the eastern side of Novoselivka, one kilometre further west. Of course, the place was already razed to the ground by their artillery, and it’s near-certain that it was captured meanwhile. Facing attacks from multiple directions by numerically superior enemy, the 30th Mech withdrew, once again.

Characteristically, the Russian aim in this area seems to be a ‘typical Putin’: reach the ‘border’ of the Luhansk Oblast (i.e. ‘Luhansk People’s Republic’) in this part of Ukraine. Ukrainians have their own opinion about such ideas, and thus it seems they’re repeatedly subjecting the Russians to flanking counterattacks. One of these drove all the way to Kuzemivka, the last night, but without any lasting results.

Generally: although local Russian attacks are taking place by day, too, most important fighting seems to be run by night. The reason is that ‘even’ Wagner PMC has figured out how to operate by night, and is meanwhile quite well equipped for this purpose. Apparently, the same was not valid for the Ukrainian 30th Mech — or the Russians found a different way to keep its outposts busy before overrunning them, at the start of this offensive, about a week ago.

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Russian reservists hauled to the frontline on a BMP-1 IFV. After all the video-reports demonstrating the quality of their plastic helmets and bordy armour, and about Moscow now importing these from China and Iran, I cannot but wonder: is Tehran exporting plastic ‘Keys to Heaven’ to Russia, too…?

Avdiivka… I have to repeat the same I’m reporting about this area for at least six months. Which is that the Russians attacked Krasnohorivka and Marinka, and that with massive support of their artillery… Actually, there’s no way to describe what kind of artillery barrages are ZSU troops there enduring. Thus it’s unfair, but cannot than summarise this with the following: the sole ‘true news’ I was able to find from this area was a Russian mechanised attack on Pervomaiske, apparently run on 1 December. Didn’t get trough but, hey: for once, they tried it with tanks, not only with artillery and infantry.

Finally…. Southern Zaporizhzhya….and southern Kherson… the last two days, have caught yet more RUMINT about a Russian withdrawal from the Polohy area. Also from the eastern bank of the Dnipro, in south-east Kherson. But still: there’s no hard evidence for any kind of a major Ukrainian advance — whether in the Polohy area, or on the Kinburn Peninsula, or in the Oleshky area. We’ve got to be patient and wait to see what comes out.
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#137531 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 03/12/2022 23:12
mishic wrote: 03/12/2022 20:27 "Svijet" smo i mi, svatko od nas pojedinačno. Dizanje glasa protiv svega onoga što tukne na nedemokratske procese, na rasizam, nacionalizam i fašizam i to prije svega onaj najbliži, sveta je dužnost i obaveza svakoga od nas pojedinačno. I isto tako borba za pravni poredak, demokratsko društvo i aktivnu borbu protiv korupcije, mita i nepotizma, za apsolutnu jednakost pred zakonom, jer to je jedini način i put da se gradi sretnije društvo i budućnost.

Sva mudrost je u tome, da nas bude što više, da budemo što agilniji i da se ne uzdamo i ne očekujemo da neko drugi to radi i uradi umjesto nas.
:thumbup:
nazalost kod nas se mentalitet podanika tesko iskorjenjuje.
Suti i trpi, samo nek ne puca, rahat patnja, itd....bezbroj izreka u narodu kao opravdanje i "mudrost". Zato mi nismo subjekt, vec objekt.
ne talasajte vas dvojica :mrgreen:
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#137532 Re: Ukrajina

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čudna su ova ruska oružja, brodovi rone, a avioni preoraše livade
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#137533 Re: Ukrajina

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283.dan trodnevne operacije, sve po planu :D
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vezano za ranije spominjanu donaciju Čeha od 90 modernizovanih T-72
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#137535 Re: Ukrajina

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#137536 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 04/12/2022 01:05
apsidejzi wrote: 04/12/2022 00:55 Ukrajinci su haman probili neke polozaje oko Kremine i otjerali ruse na drugu liniju odbrane. Minus je vec danima sto znaci da zemlja polako mrzne i sve je lakse kretati se i praviti nove ofanzive. Rusi ludjacki napadaju kod Bahmuta i dalje. Ukrajinci ludjacki napadaju Lugansk oblast i to pogotovo oko Kremine.

Ne znam jel to zato sto im je ovo prva ratna zima pa kontaju idemo ih sad razvalit. Zima im samo odmaze. I onda idu u uzaludne napade. Tako je bilo i u nasem ratu: prva zima je bila surova, krvava i ratoborna. Ostale zime smo prezimjeli manje vise u statusu quo.
Kao na Vlasicu npr?
u svakom pravilu imas izuzetke :D doduse, vlasic je uspio dobrim dijelom zbog toga sto su se srbi opustili i mislili nece sad. al pretpostavka je majka svakog zajeba.
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#137537 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 04/12/2022 03:51
Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 01:42 Evo sad sam gledao prognozu UN-a za Ukrajinu. Ide na 20 miliona joj populacija do 2100 godine. S 40 miliona.
Prognoza? Pa nije vremenska prognoza da ima osnovane parametre.
Te prognoze o kojima pricas su šuplja priča, zasnovana na trenutnim stanjima.
Ukrajina pobjeđuje, dobija Maršalov plan i pristupa EU. Veliko tržište sa očuvanim značajnim tehnologijama i kadrom može samo da dobija velike investicije. Tu se mijenja sva prognoza.
A to je sve ŠBBKBB.
Ono što je sad realnost, jeste da će Ukrajina sve što je porušeno brzo popraviti.
Ako sačuva zdravo društvo, može ići samo naprijed i na bolje iz ove tačke.
Ne shvacas, poruseno ce se obnoviti itd, tad kad ali demografski slom ce doziviti jos vise nakon rata mozda. Ovo je prognoza UN-a bez rata s oko 39 miliona kad je se Krim odvojio i one odbjegle pokrajine idu na oko 20 miliona. UN slabo grijesi sta se tice toga.

Citavom svijetu ide demografski problem samo sta ce Afriku i dio Azije stici kasnije, Ameriku nece radi solidnog TFR-a i useljavanja/migracije sto ilegalne, sto legalne.

Da nije bilo rata, nas danas cak i s iseljavanjem Bosnjaka/Bosanaca bi bilo oko 3 miliona. Imali smo strasan natalitet prije rata. Zbog rata to sve poremetilo se, pa smo pali s oko 48.000 zivorodzenih na oko 16.000.

Nisu ovo SBB KBB price. Realno je ovo. Pa Elon Musk vec upozorava da imamo i imat cemo problem demografski, pogotovo razvijene drzave. 2023 godina je prijelomna godina i za ove vece s imigracijom velikom itd.

Treba da im stagnira populacija, pa cak i da pocne da blago pada, pa onda naglo da pada.

Daj boze da grijesi UN i da si ti upravu. Vrijeme ce pokazati.
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#137538 Re: Ukrajina

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hatemondays wrote: 04/12/2022 06:53
drug_profi wrote: 04/12/2022 03:51

Prognoza? Pa nije vremenska prognoza da ima osnovane parametre.
Te prognoze o kojima pricas su šuplja priča, zasnovana na trenutnim stanjima.
Ukrajina pobjeđuje, dobija Maršalov plan i pristupa EU. Veliko tržište sa očuvanim značajnim tehnologijama i kadrom može samo da dobija velike investicije. Tu se mijenja sva prognoza.
A to je sve ŠBBKBB.
Ono što je sad realnost, jeste da će Ukrajina sve što je porušeno brzo popraviti.
Ako sačuva zdravo društvo, može ići samo naprijed i na bolje iz ove tačke.
Sta kazu profi ko ce zivjet 2100 u BiH, 2 tornjaka i 4 lisice.
Oko 1,8 miliona stanovnika. EU ti je dala prognozu zbog migracija da ce ovoliko stanovnika imati BiH i ranije, nesjecam se koje tacno decenije. 2050 ili 2060.
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#137539 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 04/12/2022 03:54
AliceInChains wrote: 04/12/2022 01:51 Ako se valjda sjecas, Rusi su u Dec., 21 poslali zahtjeve zapadu oko sigurnosne strukture u Evropi i tražili dogovor. Odbijeno.
Ako si pratio, invazija se planira od augusta 2021. Sve drugo su Ruske dimne zavjese. Laži i laži.
Ne možeš vjerovati šta ljudi puše ko priču ako je stvarno ovako naivan. Poslali 200k vojnika na granicu i postavili zahtjeve. Bas onako demokratski :mrgreen:
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#137540 Re: Ukrajina

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Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 09:09
hatemondays wrote: 04/12/2022 06:53
Sta kazu profi ko ce zivjet 2100 u BiH, 2 tornjaka i 4 lisice.
Oko 1,8 miliona stanovnika. EU ti je dala prognozu zbog migracija da ce ovoliko stanovnika imati BiH i ranije, nesjecam se koje tacno decenije. 2050 ili 2060.
Koliko je UN imao procjene da će Irska imati stanovnika?
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#137541 Re: Ukrajina

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CrveniKuk wrote: 04/12/2022 09:56
Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 09:09

Oko 1,8 miliona stanovnika. EU ti je dala prognozu zbog migracija da ce ovoliko stanovnika imati BiH i ranije, nesjecam se koje tacno decenije. 2050 ili 2060.
Koliko je UN imao procjene da će Irska imati stanovnika?
Irska je za 30 godina uradila na politickom i ekonomskom planu koliki mi necemo moci ni za 500 godina.
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#137542 Re: Ukrajina

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CrveniKuk wrote: 04/12/2022 09:56
Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 09:09

Oko 1,8 miliona stanovnika. EU ti je dala prognozu zbog migracija da ce ovoliko stanovnika imati BiH i ranije, nesjecam se koje tacno decenije. 2050 ili 2060.
Koliko je UN imao procjene da će Irska imati stanovnika?
Zjbvs, i Irska ce imati problem s demografijom u buducnosti. Ali ne, niko nece imat problem demografski. Laze UN, lazu iz EU itd.
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#137543 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 03/12/2022 23:07
Peacean wrote: 03/12/2022 19:46 https://avaz.ba/globus/svijet/791273/na ... u-ukrajinu

Sad bi trebalo doturiti nekoliko ATACMS Ukrajincima da učine posjetu nezaboravnom :D
Ja vjerujem da ce dvojnik ici u posjetu. Original ce ostati u bunkeru u Moskvi.
Slažem se, gotovo sigurno će biti dvojnik u pitanju. Ali ukrajinci bi definitivno trebali demonstrirati da to nije Rusija već Ukrajina. Mislim da bi moral u Donbasu još više opao ako se pokaže da Putin ne smije doći tu nego im uvaljuje lažnjake.
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#137544 Re: Ukrajina

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CrveniKuk wrote: 04/12/2022 09:56
Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 09:09

Oko 1,8 miliona stanovnika. EU ti je dala prognozu zbog migracija da ce ovoliko stanovnika imati BiH i ranije, nesjecam se koje tacno decenije. 2050 ili 2060.
Koliko je UN imao procjene da će Irska imati stanovnika?
6 miliona i kusur.

Ali, sve su to projekcije. Recimo 2030.zanSrbijumstavili 8,3 miliona. Toliko ni sa Kosovom nemaju.
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#137545 Re: Ukrajina

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Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 10:10
CrveniKuk wrote: 04/12/2022 09:56
Koliko je UN imao procjene da će Irska imati stanovnika?
Zjbvs, i Irska ce imati problem s demografijom u buducnosti. Ali ne, niko nece imat problem demografski. Laze UN, lazu iz EU itd.
Ne brini se nijedna država neče izumrijeti populacijski. Kad bude baš kritična situacija tu su migranti iz Afrike i Azije. Nastaviće još dugo da postoje i druge države i naša država mada ćemo imati mnogo šareniju demografiju.
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#137546 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 03/12/2022 23:55
melac wrote: 03/12/2022 23:45

Pa de si ti junacino, subota prodje a tebe ni na mapi? Da nisu sendvici okasnili ili sta bi?
Ima ona stvar uhljebu, zove se posao….znaš, ono kad se radi. :mrgreen:
Sacekaj, radis za neku crkavicu i onda dzabalesku pises ovdje zabrinuti? Cak ni babo putalj ne plati ni sendvica? E pa to je bas jadno.
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#137547 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 04/12/2022 00:16
Realno mi smo podbacili s ukrajinom zestoko a znamo kukat i trazit pomoc.
:lol:
Sta predlazes ? da idemo ratovati za ukrajinu ?
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#137548 Re: Ukrajina

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Labirint wrote: 04/12/2022 09:51
drug_profi wrote: 04/12/2022 03:54

Ako si pratio, invazija se planira od augusta 2021. Sve drugo su Ruske dimne zavjese. Laži i laži.
Ne možeš vjerovati šta ljudi puše ko priču ako je stvarno ovako naivan. Poslali 200k vojnika na granicu i postavili zahtjeve. Bas onako demokratski :mrgreen:
Nije on ni naivan nit pusi tu pricu vec je pocetnik koji je ovdje da izrazava zabrinutost pa i otvoreno opravdava ono sto putlerova gamad radi. Zato je vecini na foe. Stavit ga na listu, ignorisat i vremenom ce miris tjelesnih otpadaka sam ispariti.
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#137549 Re: Ukrajina

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Peacean wrote: 04/12/2022 11:10
Sanjarko wrote: 04/12/2022 10:10

Zjbvs, i Irska ce imati problem s demografijom u buducnosti. Ali ne, niko nece imat problem demografski. Laze UN, lazu iz EU itd.
Ne brini se nijedna država neče izumrijeti populacijski. Kad bude baš kritična situacija tu su migranti iz Afrike i Azije. Nastaviće još dugo da postoje i druge države i naša država mada ćemo imati mnogo šareniju demografiju.
Ide i Afrika i Azija u plavo sto se tice TFR-a.
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#137550 Re: Ukrajina

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Haris.ba wrote: 04/12/2022 11:07
CrveniKuk wrote: 04/12/2022 09:56
Koliko je UN imao procjene da će Irska imati stanovnika?
6 miliona i kusur.

Ali, sve su to projekcije. Recimo 2030.zanSrbijumstavili 8,3 miliona. Toliko ni sa Kosovom nemaju.
FR zavod za statistiku je stavio 7 miliona. Kosovo 1,6 miliona. FR zavod i UN su mi izvor informacija. Ima ih jos.
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