Ukrajina

Glavne udare ukrajinske ofanzive očekujem na pravcima

Poll ended at 26/04/2023 10:03

Svatove-Starobilsk-Luhansk
20
9%
Kremina- Rubizhne - Severodonetsk - Luhansk
19
9%
Bakhmut- Alchevs'k - Luhansk
22
10%
Avdiivka/Marinka - Donetsk
21
10%
Vuhledar - Volnovaha - Mariupol
51
24%
Tokmak - Melitopol/Berdiansk
53
25%
Herson - Sevastopol
29
13%
 
Total votes: 215

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#137076 Re: Ukrajina

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Bobi wrote: 30/11/2022 13:21 Kolike su bile procjene mrtvih na podrucju BiH devedesetih a s kojim se ciframa sad barata.
Procjene su bile daleko od stvarnosti, govorilo se o 300k+, na kraju je utvrdjeno oko 110k poginulih I nestalih

Ipak mislim da UA za svoje snage moze imati priblizno tacne brojeve, i vjerujem da je usa upoznata, I da nisu mali, samo je pitanje sta ce se poduzeti za dalje, jer ako ne misle odlucno pomoci, bolje da jasno kazu I pritisnu UA, a ne da ih ostavljaju da krvare cekajuci pomoc koja nece doci ubrzo ili nikako...
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#137077 Re: Ukrajina

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ovo je bilo za ferbura i mart sto su tad znali i povukli tijela, a okliok jebilo tijela poslije :oops:
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#137078 Re: Ukrajina

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bubić
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#137079 Re: Ukrajina

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no mercy dobra ova podloga ha
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#137080 Re: Ukrajina

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jedno zanimljivo pismo ork udovice...kuka na nemoguce uvjete i zadatke koji su stavljeni perd njenog muza.
kaze upuco se al ne u glavu nego u tijelo 5 puta... daaaaamn :skoljka:




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2/ His wife Yulia says in an open letter addressed to Vladimir Putin that "there is a disaster happening, that something must be done, that the motherland is in danger". She says he was given impossible tasks and threatened with criminal prosecution for not fulfilling them.
3/ In particular, she names his supervisor who she says pressured him and in whose chair he shot himself five times, "not aiming for his head, not trying to end it as quickly as possible". Boyko wanted to send a message about "the disgrace that is happening ... in the Far East."
4/ Here's an excerpted translation of the letter, which provides a lot of interesting details about the difficulties that the Russians have with their mobilisation system and the poor leadership and equipment maintenance that has contributed to the problems they've encountered:
5/ "As of 16.09.2022, a unit for the reception of mobilised citizens was deployed on the base of the Naval Military School. My husband Colonel V.E. Boyko was put in charge of reception, accommodation and control of mobilised citizens.
6/ At that time this system was not well established, the staff of the educational institution did not have experience in this work, there was a lack of personnel.
7/ At the mobilisation points there were many problems, the mobilised citizens who had served many years ago found it hard to get used to the new realities, such as the observance of discipline. Therefore, fights and abuse of alcoholic beverages were not uncommon.
8/ The responsibility for their resolution was entrusted to my husband. Since that time, Colonel V.E. Boyko practically did not sleep at home; however, he never complained about his work, he made every effort to fulfill the assigned tasks,…
9/ …but he increasingly noticed that he could not find support among the leadership, who were dumping all the tasks on him. The leaders preferred to distance themselves from all problems.
10/ Vadim began to understand that slowly but surely he was being "appointed" as the main culprit in all the failures and shortcomings, because we understand that sooner or later the time would come when someone would have to answer for gross violations…
11/ …leading to such grave consequences as faulty military equipment and the lack of material and technical support for our troops.
12/ First of all, I would like to note that the equipment that needed to be repaired and sent to the combat zone was unsuitable for performing tasks, part of the documentation was missing and it was physically impossible to prepare it from scratch.
13/ My husband … repeatedly reported to the head of TOVVMU [Rear Admiral Oleg] Zhuravlev about all the problems with the equipment, including the necessity to create a headquarters of at least 100 people, and he was allocated the bare minimum number of people.
14/ However the head of the institution ignored these problems and did not help at all, despite the fact that he had seen what a depressed moral-psychological state my husband was in, having insomnia for about a month, during this period he had lost 15 kg in weight.
15/ The first serious reprisals against my husband started long ago, but on 14 November 2022 a commission from Khabarovsk had started checking mobilisation complaints and made it clear that those responsible had already been identified and no arguments to justify…
16/ …the revealed violations would be accepted. My husband did not try to keep silent about the existing problems, it could be said that he had shouted that he would not be able to solve the fatal difficulties that arose during the execution of the order.
17/ He wanted to solve all the problems, not just turn down the inspections. But his immediate superior, the head of TOVVMU, Admiral Zhuravlev, showed a mastery of disguise, and instead of getting involved in solving the problems…
18/ …he just took a sick leave, blaming everything on his deputy V.E. Boyko.
The inspection revealed many shortcomings, of which Colonel V.E. Boyko had previously informed Chief Zhuravlev, and he remained true to himself and told the inspecting party as well,…
19/ …once again pointing out that he was unable to independently remove the systemic errors made many years ago, to which Chief Zhuravlev replied "everything will be fine" and took no action.
20/ As I understand it now, only Zhuravlev himself and other senior managers were supposed to be fine.
21/ During the inspection, the inspectors openly told Colonel V.E.Boyko that he would be charged with over 100,000,000 rubles ($1,644,332) debt for loss and damage of state property and he would be subject to criminal prosecution with confiscation of property.
22/ This was the last straw for [Boyko]... One must agree that if for many years military equipment was used as a museum exhibit and was handed over to Colonel Boyko to be sent to the front,…
23/ …he would not be able to eliminate mistakes made by someone before with a wave of the hand; for that he must honestly report to the management and involve all authorised persons in the work. Otherwise the issue cannot be resolved.
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#137081 Re: Ukrajina

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Sergej Nariškin potvrdio je za ruske medije da se u Turskoj sastao sa direktorom CIA, a otkrio je i neke teme razgovora.
Direktor vanjske obavještajne službe (SVR) Rusije Sergej Nariškin u intervjuu za RIA Novosti potvrdio je da se sastao s direktorom CIA-e Williamom Burnsom kako bi razgovarali o nuklearnoj sigurnosti i ukrajinskim temama.
Bivša otpravnica poslova SAD u Moskvi Elizabeth Rood u intervjuu za RIA Novosti izjavila je da Rusija i Sjedinjene Države imaju kanal za razgovor o temi upravljanja nuklearnim rizikom na razini posebnih službi. Ako bude potrebno, direktor CIA-e Burns i šef SVR-a Naryshkin mogli bi ponovno održati razgovore, rekla je Rood.
"Sa svoje strane, potvrđujem izjavu gospođe Rood. Osim toga, mogu primijetiti da su najčešće korištene riječi na ovom sastanku bile "strateška stabilnost", "nuklearna sigurnost", "Ukrajina" i "kijevski režim", rekao je Naryshkin.
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#137082 Re: Ukrajina

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Bobi wrote: 30/11/2022 13:21 Kolike su bile procjene mrtvih na podrucju BiH devedesetih a s kojim se ciframa sad barata.
Bile su cifre 200000 pobijenih bošnjaka i 50000 silovanih.

Sad se barata cifrom od oko 100.000 poginulih i pobijenih u čitavoj BiH s tim da je Bošnjaka oko 65000 (od toga oko 35000 vojnika),oko 26000 Srba (vojnika 22000) a ostatak Hrvati.
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#137083 Re: Ukrajina

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PM72 wrote: 30/11/2022 14:02
Bobi wrote: 30/11/2022 13:21 Kolike su bile procjene mrtvih na podrucju BiH devedesetih a s kojim se ciframa sad barata.
Bile su cifre 200000 pobijenih bošnjaka i 50000 silovanih.

Sad se barata cifrom od oko 100.000 poginulih i pobijenih u čitavoj BiH s tim da je Bošnjaka oko 65000 (od toga oko 35000 vojnika),oko 26000 Srba (vojnika 22000) a ostatak Hrvati.
Tacnije,najpreciznije 106/700 pp Tokaci bez ovih 7000 nestalih sto se jos traga.
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#137084 Re: Ukrajina

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Ako uzmemo da su rusi spremili 190k profesionalnih vojnika sa kojima su napali Ukrajinu 24.2 te ako su regrutovali dodatnih 300k dolazimo do cifre od 490.000 raspolozivih vojnika. Pretpostavimo da je 10.000 dobrovoljaca da zaokruzimo na 500k.

Na stranici https://minusrus.com/en imamo statistiku da je 88k poginulih i 266k ranjenih na teritoriji Ukrajine. Ako pretpostavimo da su ranjeni izbaceni iz stroja, onda nam preostaje cca 140.000 vojnika koji ratuju. Rusi gube u prosjeku 15.000 vojnika mjesecno i 30.000 sto ih je ranjeno.

Ja sam neki dan racunao da treba 20 mjeseci da im se armija istrosi, ali tada nisam uzeo u obzir ranjavanje vojnika. I oni ispadaju iz stroja automatski. Rusija gubi 45.000 vojnika mjesecno. 1/3 ubijenih a 2/3 ranjenih. To znaci da ovim tempom imaju vojnika za jos 3 mjeseca (ako je ova stranica sa tacnim podacima).
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#137085 Re: Ukrajina

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Ne znam, ja bih bio oprezan sa takvim procjenama. Rusi su stvarno ostali bez dovoljno vojnika prije mobilizacije, i to je direktno izazvalo pucanje fronta kod Izuma. Sada brane puno kraci front sa puno vise vojske, a javnost im se navikla na mobilizaciju bez neke velike pobune. Prije ce im nestati MTS nego mesa.
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#137086 Re: Ukrajina

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Oo op ko nam to izronio iz rupe :)
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#137087 Re: Ukrajina

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apsidejzi wrote: 30/11/2022 15:50 Ako uzmemo da su rusi spremili 190k profesionalnih vojnika sa kojima su napali Ukrajinu 24.2 te ako su regrutovali dodatnih 300k dolazimo do cifre od 490.000 raspolozivih vojnika. Pretpostavimo da je 10.000 dobrovoljaca da zaokruzimo na 500k.

Na stranici https://minusrus.com/en imamo statistiku da je 88k poginulih i 266k ranjenih na teritoriji Ukrajine. Ako pretpostavimo da su ranjeni izbaceni iz stroja, onda nam preostaje cca 140.000 vojnika koji ratuju. Rusi gube u prosjeku 15.000 vojnika mjesecno i 30.000 sto ih je ranjeno.

Ja sam neki dan racunao da treba 20 mjeseci da im se armija istrosi, ali tada nisam uzeo u obzir ranjavanje vojnika. I oni ispadaju iz stroja automatski. Rusija gubi 45.000 vojnika mjesecno. 1/3 ubijenih a 2/3 ranjenih. To znaci da ovim tempom imaju vojnika za jos 3 mjeseca (ako je ova stranica sa tacnim podacima).
Nisu svi ranjeni izbaceni trajno iz stroja
Neki su lakse ranjeni i vise puta.
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#137088 Re: Ukrajina

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Ber grils u ukrajini,doso da pokupoi koji fazon i prezivljavanju :mrgreen:
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#137089 Re: Ukrajina

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i meni su ti brojevi ruskih gubitaka tj. izbacivanja iz stroja poveliki. evo i da uzmemo da je tacan broj poginulih, nisu svi ranjeni izbaceni iz stroja. vjerovatno se mnogi vrate nakon odredjenog vremena i lakseg ranjavanja. sigurno je da se trose ali onda ovo postaje igra brojeva i pitanje ko ce ostati zadnji covjek u ovoj klaonici. u, za ukre, najoptimisticnijem slucaju oni su oko upola zrtava od rusa, ali imaju znatno manji pool mobiksa i vojske. na kraju kao sto je i receno, za nadati se da ce tehnika i opremljenost preovladati, mada mislim da rusi nisu pri kraju sa zeljezom, pa ni onim modernijim tipa t72, a ni sa artom i raketama kao sto neki optimisti tipa chuka pferera objavljuju. na kraju krajeva, siguran sam do ponesto i proizvedu sto nadomjesta gubitke.
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#137090 Re: Ukrajina

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Ukrajinci svoje gubitke me prikazuju a uduplavaju ruske.Istina je negdje na sredini-možda i manje.A sumnjam da su rusi potrošili zalihe oruđa i oružja.Ogromna su to skladišta i ogromna zemlja.JNA i Juga su bili patuljak u odnosu na Rusiju pa su i dan danas puna skladišta opreme bivše JNA od Triglava do Đevđelije a potrošilia se masa toga...
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#137091 Re: Ukrajina

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PM72 wrote: 30/11/2022 16:45 Ukrajinci svoje gubitke me prikazuju a uduplavaju ruske.Istina je negdje na sredini-možda i manje.A sumnjam da su rusi potrošili zalihe oruđa i oružja.Ogromna su to skladišta i ogromna zemlja.JNA i Juga su bili patuljak u odnosu na Rusiju pa su i dan danas puna skladišta opreme bivše JNA od Triglava do Đevđelije a potrošilia se masa toga...
Municija ima rok trajanja. Vozila treba odrzavati, letjelice pogotovo treba odrzavati. Imali su Rusi stotine, mozda i hiljadu MiG-29, pa ih vise nemaju. Razlog neodrzavanje.
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#137092 Re: Ukrajina

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Ja koristim ovaj ukrajinski broj poginulih Rusa kao odokativan broj izbacenih Rusa iz stroja, i mislim da je to realno. Znaci oko 90K sto poginulih sto teze ranjenih…
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#137093 Re: Ukrajina

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Evo arestovic kaze ukkri imaju malo vise od 10k poginulih braniitećja. Ja mu vjerujem 8-)
Orcima nista ne vjerujjem i vjerujem da je cifra zaginulih orka veca od 100k. :evil:
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#137094 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 30/11/2022 17:15 Evo arestovic kaze ukkri imaju malo vise od 10k poginulih braniitećja. Ja mu vjerujem 8-)
Orcima nista ne vjerujjem i vjerujem da je cifra zaginulih orka veca od 100k. :evil:
Sounds legit :D
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#137095 Re: Ukrajina

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#137096 Re: Ukrajina

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Malo da obradimo modernizaciju ork RA.
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Kaze do 2020 68% modernizovano
I na kraju zakljucuje kakva modernizacija ruske armije :lol:
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#137097 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 30/11/2022 17:21
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#137098 Re: Ukrajina

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geralt wrote: 30/11/2022 16:48
PM72 wrote: 30/11/2022 16:45 Ukrajinci svoje gubitke me prikazuju a uduplavaju ruske.Istina je negdje na sredini-možda i manje.A sumnjam da su rusi potrošili zalihe oruđa i oružja.Ogromna su to skladišta i ogromna zemlja.JNA i Juga su bili patuljak u odnosu na Rusiju pa su i dan danas puna skladišta opreme bivše JNA od Triglava do Đevđelije a potrošilia se masa toga...
Municija ima rok trajanja. Vozila treba odrzavati, letjelice pogotovo treba odrzavati. Imali su Rusi stotine, mozda i hiljadu MiG-29, pa ih vise nemaju. Razlog neodrzavanje.
Ne znam jesi li kad otvarao sanduk sa municijom? Drveni sanduk u kojem je limeni sanduk hermetički zatvoren.Ako je na suhom može stajat sto godina.Slažem se da se oruđa i oružja moraju održavati ali ogromna je to država,vojska i skladišta da bi povjerovao da im fali granata nakon 7 mjeseci ratovanja pa kupuju od Koreje.
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#137099 Re: Ukrajina

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Šala,pošalica….haubice 105 mm M101.
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#137100 Re: Ukrajina

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kakva šetnjica 🌻
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