Ukrajina

Glavne udare ukrajinske ofanzive očekujem na pravcima

Poll ended at 26/04/2023 10:03

Svatove-Starobilsk-Luhansk
20
9%
Kremina- Rubizhne - Severodonetsk - Luhansk
19
9%
Bakhmut- Alchevs'k - Luhansk
22
10%
Avdiivka/Marinka - Donetsk
21
10%
Vuhledar - Volnovaha - Mariupol
51
24%
Tokmak - Melitopol/Berdiansk
53
25%
Herson - Sevastopol
29
13%
 
Total votes: 215

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#105801 Re: Ukrajina

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#105802 Re: Ukrajina

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Ne znam da li je bilo na temi, ali možda nije zgoreg ponoviti. Ruski vojni stručnjak Ruslan Puhov poprilično je ocrnio Putinovu armiju i njen učinak u Ukrajini. Puhov je, inače, vrlo blizak Kremlju, član je ekspertskog tima pri ruskoj vladi i saradnik ministarstva odbrane. Ukratko: sve je staro, tenkovi ne mogu da prežive, avijacija je loša, nema dovoljno vojnika, jesen će biti teška.
The methods of the First World War (let's face it) do not work, especially if you do not have superiority over the enemy in infantry. The combination of modern reconnaissance means (including unmanned ones) in combination with a large number of high-precision weapons could solve the problem of the enemy's positional front – but this is where we lack. And plus, we simply do not have enough troops to effectively advance in another direction.
Simply put, in the event of an artillery duel, they are more likely to win us. In general, the use of small drones has made a kind of revolution in the use of artillery. We actually missed this revolution and now we have to catch up "on the go".
This operation once again confirmed the thesis that you can launch hundreds, thousands of unguided projectiles, which, it seems, are cheap, but all this power is leveled by two guided missiles that accurately hit the target.
Our aviation does not have enough high-precision ammunition and accurate means of detection and target designation, and secondly, there is an unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense operating on Soviet systems (S-300, Buk, etc.). In addition, the Ukrainians received a large number of MANPADS. As a result, aviation cannot freely operate effectively either from high and medium altitudes or from low altitudes, which significantly limits its effectiveness, including in suppressing the same Ukrainian artillery and in influencing enemy troops. To put it bluntly, we don't have air supremacy.
Any war is a testing ground. For us it was Syria, for the West it is Ukraine. There is nothing shameful here, it would be foolish not to take advantage of it.
http://www.prisp.ru/analitics/11005-sko ... e-boi-0408
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#105804 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 16/08/2022 22:27 Ne znam da li je bilo na temi, ali možda nije zgoreg ponoviti. Ruski vojni stručnjak Ruslan Puhov poprilično je ocrnio Putinovu armiju i njen učinak u Ukrajini. Puhov je, inače, vrlo blizak Kremlju, član je ekspertskog tima pri ruskoj vladi i saradnik ministarstva odbrane. Ukratko: sve je staro, tenkovi ne mogu da prežive, avijacija je loša, nema dovoljno vojnika, jesen će biti teška.
The methods of the First World War (let's face it) do not work, especially if you do not have superiority over the enemy in infantry. The combination of modern reconnaissance means (including unmanned ones) in combination with a large number of high-precision weapons could solve the problem of the enemy's positional front – but this is where we lack. And plus, we simply do not have enough troops to effectively advance in another direction.
Simply put, in the event of an artillery duel, they are more likely to win us. In general, the use of small drones has made a kind of revolution in the use of artillery. We actually missed this revolution and now we have to catch up "on the go".
This operation once again confirmed the thesis that you can launch hundreds, thousands of unguided projectiles, which, it seems, are cheap, but all this power is leveled by two guided missiles that accurately hit the target.
Our aviation does not have enough high-precision ammunition and accurate means of detection and target designation, and secondly, there is an unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense operating on Soviet systems (S-300, Buk, etc.). In addition, the Ukrainians received a large number of MANPADS. As a result, aviation cannot freely operate effectively either from high and medium altitudes or from low altitudes, which significantly limits its effectiveness, including in suppressing the same Ukrainian artillery and in influencing enemy troops. To put it bluntly, we don't have air supremacy.
Any war is a testing ground. For us it was Syria, for the West it is Ukraine. There is nothing shameful here, it would be foolish not to take advantage of it.
http://www.prisp.ru/analitics/11005-sko ... e-boi-0408
Vise nisam siguan jesam li ovo citao van teme ili na temi :lol:
U sustini sve ono sto i mi ovde pricamo mjesecima, ruje su na duze staze donje.
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#105806 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 16/08/2022 22:27 Ne znam da li je bilo na temi, ali možda nije zgoreg ponoviti. Ruski vojni stručnjak Ruslan Puhov poprilično je ocrnio Putinovu armiju i njen učinak u Ukrajini. Puhov je, inače, vrlo blizak Kremlju, član je ekspertskog tima pri ruskoj vladi i saradnik ministarstva odbrane. Ukratko: sve je staro, tenkovi ne mogu da prežive, avijacija je loša, nema dovoljno vojnika, jesen će biti teška.
The methods of the First World War (let's face it) do not work, especially if you do not have superiority over the enemy in infantry. The combination of modern reconnaissance means (including unmanned ones) in combination with a large number of high-precision weapons could solve the problem of the enemy's positional front – but this is where we lack. And plus, we simply do not have enough troops to effectively advance in another direction.
Simply put, in the event of an artillery duel, they are more likely to win us. In general, the use of small drones has made a kind of revolution in the use of artillery. We actually missed this revolution and now we have to catch up "on the go".
This operation once again confirmed the thesis that you can launch hundreds, thousands of unguided projectiles, which, it seems, are cheap, but all this power is leveled by two guided missiles that accurately hit the target.
Our aviation does not have enough high-precision ammunition and accurate means of detection and target designation, and secondly, there is an unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense operating on Soviet systems (S-300, Buk, etc.). In addition, the Ukrainians received a large number of MANPADS. As a result, aviation cannot freely operate effectively either from high and medium altitudes or from low altitudes, which significantly limits its effectiveness, including in suppressing the same Ukrainian artillery and in influencing enemy troops. To put it bluntly, we don't have air supremacy.
Any war is a testing ground. For us it was Syria, for the West it is Ukraine. There is nothing shameful here, it would be foolish not to take advantage of it.
http://www.prisp.ru/analitics/11005-sko ... e-boi-0408
Kad sagledas cinjenice, ruse ne moras crniti, sve je vidljivo na terenu.Ukri imaju gresaka al rusi su katastrofa.
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#105808 Re: Ukrajina

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JoseMujica wrote: 16/08/2022 22:05
"Dakle, Rusija misli da protivofanziva zahtijeva ogromne količine ljudstva poput goleme šake i da ide samo u jednom smjeru. Ukrajinska protuofenziva izgleda potpuno drukčije. Ne koristimo se taktikom iz 60-ih i 70-ih, iz prošlog stoljeća"
- Mihailo Podoljak, savjetnik ukrajinskog predsjednika -

znači svi mi koji smo mislili sad će ofanziva i pomešće ih, dobro smo se zajebali....Ukrajinska taktika je izgleda da ih max iscrpljuju, ćućaju im krv na slamku, dok se potpuno ne uruše i onda lagano ušetaju i pometu što je ostalo.

Ovo je strateško iscrpljivanje i rušenje Rusije koje će vjerovatno trajati godinama. In mean time SAD i UK će obučavati i naoružavati ukrajinsku vojsku tako da će s krajem rata Ukrajina drito u NATO i sa Poljskom i Baltikom činiti EU grudobran prema istoku....sumnjam da će i pištolja po istočnom standardu ostati u toj vojsci :evil:

ko god je kokice pripremio, malu je ćontru odabrao, kolika god da je :lol:
Kad ti spomenu ovu taktiku sjetih se da sam davno gledao kako komodo lizard lovi bufala. Mada je znatno manji, gleda da ga makar jednom ujede. Bufalo ga naravno izgazi i ode. Medjutim, ovaj lizard ima nekakvu bakteriju na zubu koja inficira ranu. Nakon par dana se bufalo od infekcije totalno iscrpi i padne a onda lizard dodje do rucka bez problema. U odnosu na bufala, nemas ga sta vidjet.
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#105809 Re: Ukrajina

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Saltivka - Harkov
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#105810 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 16/08/2022 22:27 Ne znam da li je bilo na temi, ali možda nije zgoreg ponoviti. Ruski vojni stručnjak Ruslan Puhov poprilično je ocrnio Putinovu armiju i njen učinak u Ukrajini. Puhov je, inače, vrlo blizak Kremlju, član je ekspertskog tima pri ruskoj vladi i saradnik ministarstva odbrane. Ukratko: sve je staro, tenkovi ne mogu da prežive, avijacija je loša, nema dovoljno vojnika, jesen će biti teška.
The methods of the First World War (let's face it) do not work, especially if you do not have superiority over the enemy in infantry. The combination of modern reconnaissance means (including unmanned ones) in combination with a large number of high-precision weapons could solve the problem of the enemy's positional front – but this is where we lack. And plus, we simply do not have enough troops to effectively advance in another direction.
Simply put, in the event of an artillery duel, they are more likely to win us. In general, the use of small drones has made a kind of revolution in the use of artillery. We actually missed this revolution and now we have to catch up "on the go".
This operation once again confirmed the thesis that you can launch hundreds, thousands of unguided projectiles, which, it seems, are cheap, but all this power is leveled by two guided missiles that accurately hit the target.
Our aviation does not have enough high-precision ammunition and accurate means of detection and target designation, and secondly, there is an unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense operating on Soviet systems (S-300, Buk, etc.). In addition, the Ukrainians received a large number of MANPADS. As a result, aviation cannot freely operate effectively either from high and medium altitudes or from low altitudes, which significantly limits its effectiveness, including in suppressing the same Ukrainian artillery and in influencing enemy troops. To put it bluntly, we don't have air supremacy.
Any war is a testing ground. For us it was Syria, for the West it is Ukraine. There is nothing shameful here, it would be foolish not to take advantage of it.
http://www.prisp.ru/analitics/11005-sko ... e-boi-0408
Postavljao sam prije par dana.
Ovo mi je bilo interesantno:
Ukupan broj naoružanja i opreme u službi vojski čitavog NATO bloka je vrlo velik, višestruko veći od našeg, a uz to je većim dijelom svjež.

Ovo budi nadu u pozitivan ishod rata.
Jedino što me brine je ova priča gomilanja rusa i spominjanja nekih 400 avion i 300 helikoptera?
Nadam se da ne može biti neko gore iznenađenje kao u februaru nakon kojeg su ukrajinci ipak preživjeli.
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#105811 Re: Ukrajina

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PVO je sasvim sposoban da to prepolovi za kratak rok, ako nasrnu otvoreno.

A vizavi onog aerodroma danas.
Nema nista nigdje. NEma slika.

Ja smatram da se to nije dogodilo. Nemoguce je da nema ni jedne slike makar iz daljine.
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#105812 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 17/08/2022 00:58 PVO je sasvim sposoban da to prepolovi za kratak rok, ako nasrnu otvoreno.

A vizavi onog aerodroma danas.
Nema nista nigdje. NEma slika.

Ja smatram da se to nije dogodilo. Nemoguce je da nema ni jedne slike makar iz daljine.
Da, za taj arodrom je sve rekla kazala.
Vjerovatno je neko pobrkao mjesto sa prvim udarom pa se vijest proširila kao da je istinita.
Možda noćas bude. :D
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#105813 Re: Ukrajina

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A evo kad je rekla-kazala, da prenesemo nesto.
Nadjoh ovaj clanak. Ako nista interesantne su slike. O tome sam i ja govorio, google maps prikazuje oko 40 aviona postrojenih u tri linije.

https://en.defence-ua.com/events/myster ... -3905.html

Grehota bi bilo ne gađat, čime su već gađali ovo ranije.
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#105814 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 17/08/2022 01:22 A evo kad je rekla-kazala, da prenesemo nesto.
Nadjoh ovaj clanak. Ako nista interesantne su slike. O tome sam i ja govorio, google maps prikazuje oko 40 aviona postrojenih u tri linije.

https://en.defence-ua.com/events/myster ... -3905.html

Grehota bi bilo ne gađat, čime su već gađali ovo ranije.
Da ali su to vjerovatno stare slike. Mi ne znamo šta je prouzrokovalo te zadnje eksplozije ?
Rusi i Ukrajinci znaju ali sve je nekako tajnovito.
Raketni udar ili eksploziv sof-a.

Taganrog aeorodrom u Rostovskoj Rusiji je kapitalac i mislim da odatle uglavnom lete za Donjeck.
To bi bilo dobro razvalit, nečim.
Mislim također da u Ukrajini trenutno ima oružja koja naravno još nisu u najavi.
To je psihološki ubitačno za ruse jer nema opuštanja.
Najbolje od svega je što nisu sigurni nigdje pa i na 200+ km.
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#105815 Re: Ukrajina

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Ovakvih tekstova je u evropskoj štampi sve više, a po svemu sudeći tek će ih biti. Češki pisac Josef Bouska kaže da bez stalne finansijske i vojne pomoći Zapada heroizam ukrajinskih vojnika neće biti dovoljan za trijumf. On stoga smatra da će se najvažnija bitka za Ukrajinu odigrati u domovima i na ulicama i trgovima evropskih zemalja jer se građani EU više plaše visokih računa nego Moskve, što pokazuju novije ankete. Otud je neophodno, piše Bouska, naglašavati da je oslobođenje od ruskih energenata strateška neophodnost za čitavu Evropu jer je Rusija postala neprijateljska država i opasnost po sve evropske demokratije.
At first, the shock of war on European soil united the West in an unprecedented way. An Eurobarometer survey from April/May showed that eight in ten EU citizens supported sanctions imposed on Russia. However, even then this support wasn't spread evenly, reaching only 57 per cent in Slovakia, 54 per cent in Cyprus, and 44 per cent in Bulgaria.
That was in spring, when energy bills were low. Fast forward to July and the picture notably changes. While an overwhelming 82 per cent of Germans supported a tough stance against Russia in May, two months later 47 per cent thought that sanctions are hurting their own country more. You can imagine the public mood in Slovakia, Cyprus, Bulgaria, and other EU countries whose purchasing power doesn't match German standards. A July poll revealed that seven out of ten Czechs are concerned about energy prices. In Greece, half of the population are behind on their energy bills.
European governments need to adopt a consistent, focused approach towards communication, if they don't want to see public support for Ukraine erode beyond the point of no return.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is- ... -fracture-
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#105816 Re: Ukrajina

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Dok cija snajka ne objavi slikove unistene opreme slaba vajda se nadat unistenim letjelicama.....
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#105817 Re: Ukrajina

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Ruski lazovi, ali loše im ide
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#105818 Re: Ukrajina

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Ekipa Pravde pronalazi ukrajinske bogataše, „biznismene“ i političare, na Azurnoj obali. „Milioneri i milijarderi koji su decenijama slabili Ukrajinu, rat provode tamo, pred očima čitave planete. One planete koja nam sada pomaže da ojačamo“. Upoznajte Bataljon Monako.

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#105819 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 17/08/2022 06:57 Ekipa Pravde pronalazi ukrajinske bogataše, „biznismene“ i političare, na Azurnoj obali. „Milioneri i milijarderi koji su decenijama slabili Ukrajinu, rat provode tamo, pred očima čitave planete. One planete koja nam sada pomaže da ojačamo“. Upoznajte Bataljon Monako.

To su sdO patrijote.Nisu ni Ukri operisani od gamadi i ološa, nadam se da ce pametnije se obracunat sa olosem od nas.
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#105820 Re: Ukrajina

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Sama pomisao da moze pasti iz cista mira s neba vjerovatno proizvodi ogroman strah kod orka
Samo da je ta uloga ovih bombica, odlicna je.
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#105821 Re: Ukrajina

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Malo epp.a navijacki naravno kako drugacije :bih:
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#105822 Re: Ukrajina

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Ukrajinski narod treab da se obračuna sa svojim dezerterima. Nije naše da se time bavimo.
U svakom ratu je postojala određena grupa koja je sebi mogla obezbijediti privilegije.

Kljucno je znati da milioni muskaraca i zena u Ukrajini stoje nasuprot ludaku iz Kremlja i njegovim pijanim hordama.
I samo oni garantuju Evropi i nama ocuvanje nasih vrijednosti i nacina zivota. Nikakve pare niti oruzje to ne garantuju bez njih. Oni su najvaznija karika.
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#105823 Re: Ukrajina

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#105824 Re: Ukrajina

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#105825 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 17/08/2022 08:15 Ukrajinski narod treab da se obračuna sa svojim dezerterima. Nije naše da se time bavimo.
U svakom ratu je postojala određena grupa koja je sebi mogla obezbijediti privilegije.

Kljucno je znati da milioni muskaraca i zena u Ukrajini stoje nasuprot ludaku iz Kremlja i njegovim pijanim hordama.
I samo oni garantuju Evropi i nama ocuvanje nasih vrijednosti i nacina zivota. Nikakve pare niti oruzje to ne garantuju bez njih. Oni su najvaznija karika.
Da nema miliona ukrajinskih rodoljuba na braniku domovine, vjerovatno bi mnogi u istocnioj evropi pa i mi morali isto radit. Zato Slava Ukrajini.
Ocigledno je ko se samo nada ruskoj pobojedi ovde i na sve navine pokusava omalovazit ukr pravedmu borbu. Ali avaj 1.19 :bih:
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