Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

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Post by vee-jay » 20/09/2009 19:06

Broj 1 wrote:Ja se pitam da li je ta nasa dijaspora u Holandiji toliko debilna i degradirana da nisu u stanju napraviti demonstracije ispred suda i dici takvu prasinu da se Holandija ne smiri za jedno mjesec dana.

Dijaspora treba tamo a mi vamo pred predsjednistvo i izdajice na sred carsije kamenovati.
a zasto bi Bosanci u dijaspori bili drugog mentaliteta od Bosanaca u Bosni?....


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Post by ROTOR 9 » 23/09/2009 00:53

vee-jay wrote:
Broj 1 wrote:Ja se pitam da li je ta nasa dijaspora u Holandiji toliko debilna i degradirana da nisu u stanju napraviti demonstracije ispred suda i dici takvu prasinu da se Holandija ne smiri za jedno mjesec dana.

Dijaspora treba tamo a mi vamo pred predsjednistvo i izdajice na sred carsije kamenovati.
a zasto bi Bosanci u dijaspori bili drugog mentaliteta od Bosanaca u Bosni?....

Prasina je gore davno legalizirana,niko se ne trjezni od hemije..a da se kojim slucajem zatvore proizvodni pogoni Audija ili tamo gdje se prave felge., nasao bi Bosanaca sigurno.. a zasigurno ces ih naci u nekoj rupi gdje nastupa klaun jeftinih narodnih masa.. turbo-folk majstori.. :skoljka:

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Post by vee-jay » 23/09/2009 01:14

ROTOR 9 wrote:
vee-jay wrote:
Broj 1 wrote:Ja se pitam da li je ta nasa dijaspora u Holandiji toliko debilna i degradirana da nisu u stanju napraviti demonstracije ispred suda i dici takvu prasinu da se Holandija ne smiri za jedno mjesec dana.

Dijaspora treba tamo a mi vamo pred predsjednistvo i izdajice na sred carsije kamenovati.
a zasto bi Bosanci u dijaspori bili drugog mentaliteta od Bosanaca u Bosni?....

Prasina je gore davno legalizirana,niko se ne trjezni od hemije..a da se kojim slucajem zatvore proizvodni pogoni Audija ili tamo gdje se prave felge., nasao bi Bosanaca sigurno.. a zasigurno ces ih naci u nekoj rupi gdje nastupa klaun jeftinih narodnih masa.. turbo-folk majstori.. :skoljka:
aha, kao u Bosni drugacija situacija :-)

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Post by Soul_Sista » 23/09/2009 11:02

Na temu o "zrtvi povijesti" Karadzicu, Dabicu, guslaru i tako dalje...
Nece se valjda zamjeriti na tome sto je tekst star godinu dana :oops: :D ..mislim tema je jos friska i daleko od toga da je okoncana.


27/08/2008
Radovan Karadzic and his grandchildren
Karadzic has been caught, but the war is not over yet for the heirs of Yugoslavia's war criminals. By Dubravka Ugresic
I am not a monster, I am a writer!
(Radovan Karadzic)

One hundred and forty-one old men

Over the weekend of the 19th and 20th of July 2008, the town of Key West in Florida played host to one hundred and forty-one — Ernest Hemingways. Hemingways from all over America gathered in Key West in a competition for the greatest degree of physical resemblance between the famous writer and his surrogates. This year the winner was Tom Grizzard, in what is said to have been a very stiff competition. The photograph that went round the world shows a collection of merry granddads, looking like Father Christmases who have escaped from their winter duties, that is to say like Ernest Hemingway. The old men, who meet every year in Key West on Hemingway's birthday, took part in fishing and short story writing competitions.

Another old man ...

The following day newspapers in Croatia carried a photograph of an old man who has no connection at all with the hundred and forty-one old men from the previous article. In Croatia on 21st July 2008, Dinko Sakic died, at the age of eighty-six. Who was Dinko Sakic? Sakic was the commandant of the Ustasha concentration camp of Jasenovac, where Jews, Serbs, Gyspies and communist-oriented Croats were systematically annihilated. After the war he managed to escape to Argentina, and it was not until 1999 that the Argentinian authorities handed him over to Croatia, where he was sentenced to twenty years in prison.

At that 'historic' moment, many Croats saw the sentence of Dinko Sakic as an injustice because for them that same Independent State of Croatia (in which Dinko Sakic had killed Jews, Gypsies, Serbs and unsuitable Croats) was 'the foundation of our present Croatian homeland', as the local priest, Vjekoslav Lasic, put it on the occasion of his death. The priest was in fact merely expounding a thesis put forward by Franjo Tudjman, the first President of Croatia (since Ante Pavelic), and the 'father of the Croatian nation'. 'That is why every decent Croat is proud of the name Dinko Sakic,' announced the priest Vjekoslav Lasic, adding that he was 'proud that he had seen Sakic on his bier dressed in an Ustasha uniform.' The funeral of old Dinko Sakic at Mirogoj cemetery in Zagreb on 24th July 2008 was attended by some three hundred people. Even aged criminals have friends. Three hundred people is a pretty decent number.

And another old man ...

On the day of Dinko Sakic's funeral, another old man rose from the grave in Croatia. Zvonko Busic Tajko — the Croatian Mandela, or the most renowned Croatian emigre (as some Croatian newspaper headlines put it) — landed at Zagreb airport on 24th July, to an enthusiastic reception by a crowd of some five hundred people. Busic was returning to Croatia metaphorically from the grave, but in fact out of American prisons where he had spent thirty-two years. Way back in the 1970s, with his American wife, Julienne Eden Busic, he and a few friends had hijacked an American aeroplane on its way to New York, because 'he wanted to draw the attention of the world to the unjust position of Croatia in the former Yugoslavia'.

This gesture of 'political activism' (as the Croatian papers defined Busic's terrorist act) ended ingloriously, because Busic's explosive device led to one American policeman being killed and another losing an eye, and Busic and his wife ended up in prison. Julienne was released on the eve of Croatian independence, she got a job in the Croatian Embassy in Washington, and later in Croatia, in Franjo Tudjman's personal security service. The Croatian army built a villa on the Adriatic coast, so that she would be able to dedicate herself fully to writing her autobiographical novel 'Lovers and Madmen' and to her political activities, lobbying for her husband's release from prison.

Among those gathered at Zagreb airport were Croatian politicians, patriots, pop singers (Marko Perkovic Thompson, for example), priests, children sitting on their fathers' shoulders and holding their welcome drawings up to the cameras, young people shouting Ustasha slogans (For the homeland ever ready!) and singing Ustasha songs. 'The Croatian Mandela' made a patriotic speech and quoted a verse from Ivan Gundulic's poem 'Osman', which every Croatian primary school kid knows by heart:

The wheel of fate spins around
And around ceaselessly:
He who would be above is cast down
And he below is left on high.

Zvonko Busic added that, thanks to the good Lord and free Croatia (at last I am in my free homeland!), he had climbed high, while, according to the logic of the wheel of fortune, his enemies had fallen down. The only person, to comment briefly the following day on Busic's resurrection was the Croatian President Stipe Mesic (His motive could have been patriotic, but the method he applied was the method of terrorism). Zvonko and Julienne Busic told the newspapers that they wanted a little peace, athough Busic's lively speech, his evident excitement at finally finding himself 'among his own people', and the five-hundred strong crowd suggested precisely the opposite.

Doctor Velbing and Mr Hide

On the 21st July 2008, the day Dinko Sakic died, all the world's newspapers carried a photograph of an old man with a long white beard and white hair, coquettishly gathered on the crown of his head like a kind of diminutive Samurai pigtail. This old man had no connection whatever with the Hemingways of Key West, nor with the late Dinko Sakic, nor with Zvonko Busic, who was to land at Zagreb airport three days later. This old man looked as though he had fallen out of the file of some Hollywood agent: like a third-rate actor specializing in the roles of Merlin and Gandalf in film fairytales. The old man was arrested in Belgrade by the Serbian police just as he was getting into a number 73 bus. It turned out that the old man was called Dragan Dabic, or rather Dragan David Dabic (3D), or rather — Radovan Karadzic.

From the moment of the arrest of Radovan Karadzic, the Balkan butcher and European Osama Bin Laden, the media were overwhelmed with countless farcical details: Karadzic's unsuccessful attempts to get involved in football and his derisive nickname 'Phantom'; his statement that Yasser Arafat was first an international terrorist, then twenty years later he was awarded the Nobel Prize (an echo of Tudjman's claim that some authority on the Nobel Prize had once flattered him saying: If you were not a Croat, General, you would certainly have received the Nobel Prize); Karadzic's frenetic 1986 student speech from the roof of the university; his activity as a police informer; his financial fraud and embezzlement; his collection of children's verse 'There Are Miracles, There Are No Miracles'; his alleged mistress who also has two names; his website shop where you can buy a little velbing (from well-being) or a 'cross-shaped composition of the smallest velbing for your personal protection to be worn on the chest' or a large velbing or 'spacious cross-shaped composition which harmonises a whole space'; the decoration on his website, a Jewish three-branched (!) menora which is in fact the Orthodox three-fingered blessing in disguise; his cheap aphorisms which seem to have been copied from Paulo Coelho (Man is the most perfect instrument!).

The exchange of commentaries circulated on the Internet and in private emails. They included mention of the film 'The Hunting Party', set in the forests of Bosnia, through which Richard Gere hunts the notorious Bogdanovich, played in the film by the Croatian actor Ljubomir Kerekes… And then a friend of the author of these lines dug out on YouTube a video clip from 'Barbarella' in which Dr. Durand Durand (3D!) sets his Excessive machine in motion and performs his 'Sonata for the Executioner and Various Young Women'. What possible connection can there be between Barbarella and Karadzic? None whatever. Apart from the fact that the Irish actor Milo O'Shea, who plays Dr. Durand Durand, is extraordinarily like Ljubomir Kerekes, that is to say Dr. Bogdanovich, from the film 'The Hunting Party', in other words like Karadzic before his complete make over.

Despite everything, this heap of trivial rubbish circulating in the media served Karadzic himself well, in his transformation from a notorious murderer into clown in order to placate a potentially hostile crowd. Intrigued by the farce of his disguise, many people managed to forget that this same Karadzic-Bogdanovich-Dabic is sitting on a pile of anonymous human corpses, and there is a large, silent, nameless heap of witnesses, including the women of Srebrenica, for whom this whole media circus around Karadzic is like salt on an open wound.

The truth will out ...

Pawel Pawlikowski's 'Serbian Epics' – the best and fullest portrait of Karadzic to date – was made as long ago as 1992. Everything in the film is so clear and explicit that this documentary on its own could serve as an indictment against Radovan Karadzic. In the intervening years, Karadzic's criminal file has become notoriously public, and the new details which have flooded the media since his arrest have merely confirmed what we all knew: that Karadzic is a murderer, sitting calmly on a pile of the corpses of people whom he himself killed and all the time the only thought buzzing in his head is – how to survive. An enormous human mechanism has been keeping Karadzic alive, the same mechanism that preserved Milosevic for years: servants, like-thinkers, admirers, assistants, petty and large-scale criminals, the police, the state apparatus, politicians, murderers, fighters, patients, women, friends, priests, the church, believers, dealers, people — both sick and quite ordinary.

At this moment, many Serbs are lighting candles and praying for their man in prison in The Hague. Ordinary citizens, aging rockers (Bora Djordjevic), members of the ultra-right group 'Honour' (Obraz), Serbian radicals, supporters of Vojislav Seselj, Tomislav Nikolic, Karadzic, with children at their head — a boy and a girl — they are all marching at this moment through Belgrade, shouting slogans of support for Karadzic, threatening the Serbian government, The Hague Tribunal, the world. Many Serbs — who otherwise have no idea what to do in the face of a sudden 'blow' in their household, when, for example, there's a faulty tap in the bathroom, or if their wife ends up in hospital — suddenly display supreme organisational skills and political agility: Karadzic has been arrested — a heavy 'blow' has been struck against their 'Serbdom'. Every blow against Serbdom has the effect of an adrenaline injection.

Following the false news of Karadzic's arrest in 2001, 'defensive' meetings were instantly organised in Karadzic's native village and some other places in Montenegro. Supporters from Montenegro and Serbia gathered, Chetnik songs rang out, priests waved censers around. Karadzic was proclaimed a 'haiduk', 'poet', 'fighter', 'saint' and 'symbol of Serbdom'. People fell into poetic raptures (We will not hand Karadzic over! Wake up Serbian fire! Radovan is a spark in the rock. Whoever betrays the spark be damned! May all belonging to the traitor be damned a thousand times!) Those present were given masks of Karadzic's face. The Montenegrin backwoods sent a message to the world: We are all Radovan Karadzic, in other words the people behind the masks brazenly admitted their complicity in genocide, both real and mental. The main slogan of the Chetnik organisation 'Honour' is: Every Serb is Radovan! — and it could be seen in recent days again in the streets of Belgrade.

Is Karadzic, Radovan, really an exclusively Serbian monster? Let us not forget the fact that Karadzic easily crossed the borders between such 'irreconcilably different' peoples as the Croats, Serbs, Bosnians and Montenegrins, he spent his summer holidays in Croatia (making only one single linguistic error, the experts maintain). In the end, if for no other reason, then because of Karadzic's longevity and his ability to rise up again like a phoenix, one might ask how many citizens of former Yugoslavia were – Radovan Karadzic!?

Children, grandchildren, mutants

The lack of a symbolic lynching of Karadzic — now, when it would have been possible — demonstrates that the problem is deeper and harder, and that it is not after all confined to 'Karadzices': swindlers, prophets and profiteers, doctors of the human soul, grudge-bearers who drag out of dusty chests their personal affronts and transform them into ideologies, necrophiliacs, bone-diggers, bullies, exterminators, murderers, drummers-up of collective hysteria, local 'butchers' and 'vampires' for whom many citizens of the former Yugoslavia have been obediently sticking out their necks for two decades now. The problem is that all these sycophants of fascism — Karadzic included — do not excel themselves in the quantity of evil they produce, but in an invisible form, in the seed they leave behind them, in their children, and their grandchildren.

And those children, grandchildren, mutants, have sprung up healthy and handsome, in the course of these last twenty years. These are the children with Chetnik caps on their heads, who demonstrate throughout Serbia against Karadzic's arrest. Or Marija Sefirovic (YouTube) whose three-fingered sign of the cross spread throughout Europe, although she was unable to explain its purpose (In the name of mother, father and you know… — she tried irritably to explain to a Dutch woman journalist), and who, in winning the Eurovision Song Contest, as she put it herself, won for Serbia. These are the enthusiastic supporters of the 'granddads, of the Serbian radical Tomislav Nikolic (the author of the statement 'God created the world in six days, and it took me two to shake it up'); these are the bullies who beat up Gypsies and homosexuals in the streets of Belgrade; these make up the drunken, ecstatic crowds at concerts by Ceca Raznatovic-Arkan.

These young mutants are from Bosnia, they go on the rampage during football championships and wrap themselves in Croatian, Serbian and Turkish flags as in a protective placenta. They are the secondary-school children from Makarska who recently had themselves photographed for their school almanac with a swastika in the background, 'for fun' (It's not a swastika but an Indian symbol of love and peace, a pupil explained meekly) and strutted about wearing T-shirts bearing the slogan 'Über alles' (We meant that we had matriculated, it was over, we were above all others, explained another even more meekly). These are the children who appear at concerts by Marko Perkovic Thompson in Ustasha uniforms and raise their right hands to the level of their noses, while their granddads — Croatian academicians, writers, journalists, doctors, generals, philosophers and publicists — write open letters of support for an illiterate, third-rate turbo-folk singer such as Thompson, defending his right to express uncensored Ustasha ideas in our free Croatian homeland.

They are the young members of obscure pro-fascist parties in Serbia; children with tattoos, whose bodies display Pavelic's face; customers in shops freely selling fascist souvenirs; the 'brave' attackers of tourists, foreigners, homosexuals and — Gypsies. These are children who wear crosses round their necks, who regularly attend Catholic and Orthodox churches and Muslim mosques, who hate each other, or some third party, and all join in hating — Gypsies, Jews, Blacks and homosexuals. These are young contributors to chat-sites who, I presume, know of their brothers the young Hungarian fascists (Magyar garda), who rose up to defend 'Magyar values and culture'; the young Bulgarian fascists of Bogdan Rassata, who 'defend Bulgarian values and culture' and for ideological reasons beat up Turks and Gypsies; the brutal Russian children, who beat to death anyone whose skin is darker than Putin's …

They are members of 'Honour' and similar ultra-rightwing groups who lure children with the cheap glue of love of God and the homeland, Serbian Serbia, gallant armed forces, the crucified fatherland and the suffering nation (We need new heroes, Obilices, and new Maids of Kosovo!). These children are young Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins and Bosnians who use both open and closed web fora to sow and graft their hatred and proclaim that the war is not yet over …. The local press, local authorities and local politicians do not pay attention to the 'children', 'cases', 'hooligans', 'troublemakers', 'unpleasant, but understandable incidents' in what is otherwise the successful daily life of transition.

Meanwhile Radovan Karadzic can stroll peacefully in his Hugo Boss suits into the courtroom in The Hague. His work is done.

A procession of collective shame

The work of the Hague judges is to prove individual guilt in the war crimes committed on the territory of the former Yugoslavia and they, the judges, will be the first, I presume, not to agree with the emotional and hazy thesis of collective guilt. It seems, however, that the mere trial of war criminals does not have the power to carry out a real catharsis or to set in motion real social change. For without the admission of collective responsibility there can be no successful de-nazification. For many citizens of former Yugoslavia, regardless of the actual scale of their responsibility and guilt in the recent war, which, we emphasise, is not equal or the same, those who are to blame for everything are always — the others: for the Croats it is the Serbs, for the Serbs the Muslims, the Kosovo Albanians, the Croats, the whole world …

All of them blame the communists, Tito and the Partisans for everything. And then the 'Americans', the 'Russians', 'Jews', 'Europe', 'the world', unfavourable stars, destiny. All, without distinction, insist on interpreting the events — which they themselves initiated, which they failed to prevent, or in which they themselves took part — as natural catastrophes in which they are exclusively the victims. In that sense Karadzic's schizophrenic fragmentation into gusle-player, psychiatrist, would-be footballer, ecologist, police informer, Chetnik, murderer, politician, would-be Nobel laureate, thief, poet, tutti-frutti guru, Orthodox mystic, into Radovan Karadzic and Dragan David Dabic — is a typical local sickness, the result of a general social lie, a profound moral and mental disturbance, a madness which their milieu continues persistently to treat as though it were normal.

There is a hope that, with the arrest of Karadzic and contrary to what the young mutants proclaim, the war will finally end. There is a childish hope that we will one day come across the following little newspaper announcement: On the 21st of July 2018 - the day of the arrest of the criminal Radovan Karadzic, sentenced to a hundred years in prison for genocide in Bosnia - in the Montenegrin town of Meljina known for its traditional festival of gusle-playing, there was a 'procession of collective shame', consisting of one hundred and forty-one old men. The old men had false beards and false white hair gathered on the crown of their heads in a pigtail and they voluntarily exposed themselves to being spat at by the crowd, which this year had gathered in large numbers to participate in the ritual of repentance. In this ritual 'the old men' (every year there are new volunteers and everyone has the right to participate in the ritual only once so that all interested volunteers can have their turn) express their awareness of the crimes committed, of the fact that these crimes were committed in their name, with their full knowledge or even with their participation, they confess their responsibility for their crimes and apologise wholeheartedly to their victims.

July 2008

http://www.signandsight.com/features/1746.html

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Post by mO k3 » 01/10/2009 08:48

I sta ce biti kraj ove price...????
Drzace ga u zatvoru dvije, tri godine... iscenirace ce da je umro kao milosevic ......evropa ti je kurfa velika!!!!

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Post by black » 01/10/2009 10:33

Pismo Inzku
Karadžić odbacio odgovornost Srba za Markale

Bivši predsjednik RS Radovan Karadžić demantovao je u pismu visokom predstavniku u BiH Valentinu Inzku da su Srbi u BiH odgovorni za granatiranje na pijaci Markale u Sarajevu 1994. i 1995. godine i za te događaje optužio bosanske muslimane.

Karadžić piše da je "veoma zabrinut" zbog toga što je Inzko zajedno sa OEBS-om i Savjetom Evrope "najoštrije osudio izjave predsjednika Vlade RS Milorada Dodika u kojima je porekao prirodu ratnih zločina" na Markalama.

"Na mom suđenju, tužilaštvo će imati teret da dokaže van svake sumnje da su događaji na pijaci Markale bila granatiranja za koja su odgovorni Srbi iz BiH. Imam svako pravo da se branim od tih optužbi i da ih demantujem, što i činim - najoštrijim riječima", navodi Karadžić u pismu koje je Srna dobila na uvid.

On je izrazio očekivanje da će dokazi na njegovom suđenju pred Haškim tribunalom pokazati "da su te događaje izazvali muslimani iz BiH, koji su okrutno žrtvovali sopstveni narod da bi ohrabrili intervenciju NATO-a i zapadnih snaga".

Od eksplozije na pijaci Markale u februaru 1994. godine poginulo je 68 ljudi, a u avgustu 1995. godine 37. U oba napada ranjeno je ukupno više od 200 osoba.

Karadžić ukazuje da "inicijalnom istragom UN o oba incidenta nije moglo da se dođe do zaključka koja je strana odgovorna".

"Poslije prvog incidenta na Markalama, izvjestilac UN naglasio je da su UN dobile izvještaj u kome se kaže da su muslimani odgovorni za granatiranje pijace", navodi se u pismu koje nosi datum 30. septembra.

Bivši predsjednik RS dodaje da je "jedan britanski list u avgustu 1994. godine pisao o tome da visoki zvaničnici UN vjeruju da bosanski muslimani ubijaju sopstveni narod", te da je "ta informacija došla iz povjerljivih izvještaja UN".

U vezi sa drugim napadom na Markalama, Karadžić piše da su "ruski obavještajci rekli da su granatiranje izvršile snage muslimanskog komandanta Rasima Delića".

"Osim toga, UN su imale indicije da su ovaj napad zaista izveli bosanski muslimani", dodaje Karadžić u pismu Inzku.

On navodi da je ovo "samo manji primjer pouzdanih informacija koje sugerišu da su izjave premijera Dodika tačne".

"Najvažnije od svega, niste u pravu kada pokušavate da ugušite legitimnu raspravu o događajima koji su predmet mog suđenja. Da li ćete zatvoriti televizijske i radio stanice tokom mog suđenja, kada budem predstavio dokaze o ovim događajima? Da li je ovo rješenje koje vidite za BiH - gušenje slobode izražavanja i poštene debate?", pita Karadžić Inzka.

On je zatražio od visokog predstavnika da zauzme "demokratičniji i tolerantniji stav prema raspravi o događajima" koji su predmet Karadžićevog suđenja u Hagu.

"Za mene važi pretpostavka nevinosti i treba da je poštujete. Ukoliko obratite pažnju, možda ćete otkriti da je vaša ideja `istine` znatno drugačija od onoga što se dogodilo", zaključuje Karadžić.
:x :x

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#583 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by d700 » 01/10/2009 11:02

Radovan Karadzic ?

Ma u odlucujecem trenutku je on sebi napakovao prevelik teret na ledja, zgazila ga historija i on je zrtva tih okolnosti. Mislim da nije zloban, nego je on manipulisan i sumnjam da bi u toj situaciji bilo ko mogao drugacije nesto da uradi. Sjecam se kako je ocajno i uplakanim glasom molio da se neodrzi referendum, jer bi mogao nestati bosanski narod. Covjek koji priprema genocid, tako ne govori...nije on monstrum.

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Post by dr.gog » 01/10/2009 13:54

Рус wrote:Караџић је желео мир, а Изетбеговић је желео рат. Караџић је прави јунак.
Ово jе ратна писма Караџића -
http://www.serb-victims.org/index.php?o ... Itemid=292
Pogriješio si Forum.Ne spamaj.Postovi će ti biti obrisani.

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Post by kiky » 02/10/2009 20:03

zar se još šta ima reči o karađiću ...
dobro, ima rus ...

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Post by Dado dijasporitus » 19/10/2009 15:22

Izvinjavam se sto je malo off topic ali pravo me obradovala ova vijest :evil:
Krajišnik u zatvoru s islamskim teroristima
Datum: 18.10.2009 18:54
Autor: D.Ra.

LONDON - Momčilo Krajišnik, jedan od bivših čelnika RS, osuđen za zločin protiv čovječnosti na 20 godina zatvorske kazne, nedavno je prebačen u jedan od najozloglašenijih britanskih zatvora, gdje su smješteni islamski teroristi i ubice djece.
Krajišnik u zatvoru s islamskim teroristima

Krajišnik će svoju kaznu odslužiti u zatvoru "Vejkfild", Nort Jorkšir, gdje su smješteni monstrumi poput Roja Vitinga i Roberta Bleka, koji su osuđeni za ubistvo djece.

Bivši predsjednik Narodne skupštine RS smješten je u D krilo ovog zatvora prije dvije sedmice. On se nalazi u neposrednoj blizini Roja Vitinga, koji je osuđen zbog ubistva djevojčice Sare Pejn.

Kako je Krajišnik, između ostalog, osuđen zbog progona muslimanskog stanovnštva, čuvarima je naređeno da ga posebno obezbijede jer se u zatvoru nalaze i islamski teroristi i fundamentalisti.

I dok su neki muslimanski zatvorenici ostali u D krilu, većina islamskih terorista je prebačena u druge dijelove zatvora. Inače, Krajišnik sebe smatra političkim zatvorenikom i izuzetno je nezadovoljan što je smješten baš u ovaj zatvor.

"Većinu vremena provodi čitajući i iz ćelije izađe samo da uzme hranu i to je sve", izjavio je jedan od zatvorskih službenika koji je želio ostati anoniman.

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#588 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

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#589 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by Pera Trta » 25/10/2009 22:10

Sutra počinje suđenje, po svemu sudeći još jedna farsa a la Milošević.
Naime, Karadžić najavljuje da se NEĆE POJAVITI PRED SUDOM.
Ne razumijem, zaista. Karadžić je u zatvoru. Zar nije cijela poenta toga što je neko zatvorenik upravo to da mu je kretanje ograničeno, odnosno da se može kretati ISKLJUČIVO TAMO GDJE MU SUDSKE VLASTI DOZVOLE. Nisam znao da se u zatvoru možeš odbiti da budeš odveden pred sud. Nisam dovoljno pravnički potkovan, pomozite mi, je li to moguće?
Mislim, znam ja, demokratija i sve to, ali zamislite da je Gering odbio da svoju debelu guzicu prenese iz zatvora u nirnberšku sudnicu. Mislite da bi mu to bilo dozvoljeno? Malo morgen!
Ali eto...

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#590 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by zlatiborka » 25/10/2009 23:13

Pera Trta wrote:Sutra počinje suđenje, po svemu sudeći još jedna farsa a la Milošević.
Naime, Karadžić najavljuje da se NEĆE POJAVITI PRED SUDOM.
Ne razumijem, zaista. Karadžić je u zatvoru. Zar nije cijela poenta toga što je neko zatvorenik upravo to da mu je kretanje ograničeno, odnosno da se može kretati ISKLJUČIVO TAMO GDJE MU SUDSKE VLASTI DOZVOLE. Nisam znao da se u zatvoru možeš odbiti da budeš odveden pred sud. Nisam dovoljno pravnički potkovan, pomozite mi, je li to moguće?
Mislim, znam ja, demokratija i sve to, ali zamislite da je Gering odbio da svoju debelu guzicu prenese iz zatvora u nirnberšku sudnicu. Mislite da bi mu to bilo dozvoljeno? Malo morgen!
Ali eto...
Stvarno, i ja to htjedoh pitati. Kako je moguce da sud dozvoljava idiotu ovakvo ponasanje? Moze se desiti da se opet odgodi pocetak sudjenja ko zna koji put i do kada......

Sutra cemo vec znati vise.....

Ne znam ko je gori, Raso ili sudije..... :evil:

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#591 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by Been » 25/10/2009 23:55

Mislim da će Tribnual u ovom slučaju postupiti pametnije, jer im je mandat na isteku ( a vjerovatno im se dosadilo baviti brdovitim balkanom ) ... Sutra ne očekujem ništa spektakularno. Poslaće sekretara sudskog vijeća u Karadžićevu ćeliju da mu objasni moguće poslijedice. Ako ovaj odbije prekinuće suđenje, a pismeno će narediti liječniku da provjeri zdravstveno stanje. AKo se ispostavi da je sposoban pratiti suđenje, sud će mu dodjeliti branioca koji će ga braniti bez njegova dopuštenja...

To su uradili na slučaju Jovice Stanišića !

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#592 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by muha_sa » 26/10/2009 08:04

cirkusijada može da krene :-)
kad se sjetim sudjenja balkanskom krvniku :-) i cjelodnevne rasprave o ubistvu nekog albanskog mještana koji se na bicklu vozio do obližnjeg granapa :-)

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#593 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by Toto » 26/10/2009 08:21

moze li haski tuzilac zovnut Biljanu Plavsic kao svjedoka u procesu protiv Karadjica??

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#594 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by Bosnolog » 26/10/2009 08:36

Sada ce da Dabic u svom stilu da okrivi sve i svakoga sto je morao da radi prljave poslove u ime Evrope da bi je zastitio od nadolazecg fundametalnog islama od koje joj je prijetio a isti je spasio u dogovoru sa zapadom koji ga je na kraju izdao.

Isti ce da optuzi zapad koji ga je bombardovao ,... da su radili sa njima u dosluhu svo vrijeme to jest tajne sluzbe su odgovorne za Srebrenicu ,progone,silovanaj,etnicka ciscenej i rusenje preko 1200 muslimanskih bogomolja ,kulturocid,bosnocid ,....isti ce tvrditi da je od zapada /USA / imao garancije kako bi im se osvetio za neuspjeli projekat i iste optuzio da je imao naloge da nacni genocid i biolosko istrebljenje sekularnih bosanskih muslimana,.... sa cime Srbija nije imala nista i da se nikada nije sreo sa Zlobom i SANU mentorima .Istu ce optuziti svijet za naoruzavanje ARBiH i time onemogucili da sprovede najavljenu nakanu izrecenu za skupstinskom govornicom 1991 kakao ce BH muslimani nestati kao i BiH.SADA SE ZLOCINAC SUSRECE SA PRAVDOM I PREZIVJELIM ZRTVAMA NJEGOVE ZLOCINACKE IDEOLOGIJE,od koje se nece moci nikada oprati a isti ce nanijeti nesagledive posljedice po narod koji ga je slijedio ukoliko javno ne odbace ovog genocidnog zlotvora.Bojim se da ce Dodik koristiti sudenje Dabicu da dodatno mobilise ,.....vec sludene i zavedene dabicevce na dovrsetku zapocetog SANU projekta iz 90 tih godina i time izazvati nove tragedije i razaranja BiH ,cega moramo biti svijesni.

Njegovo sudenje ce biti nesto nova predstava nesto poput vec videnog sudenja,.... vadikala Seselja i bolesnog Zlobe ,to ce biti sludivanje vec sludenih i zavedenih veliksrpskih mitolomana po njima nevinost pisopije Dabica a sto ce biti samo jos jedna haska cirkus predstava sudija i suda koji je najbolja slika i refleksija metiljavog UN koji je bio i saucesnik nase BH tragedije jer nas je vezao embargom na oruzje i posmatrao genocid donoseci jalove UN rezolucije koje su genocidni fireri i SANU ideolozi ignosrisali sve godine agresije i zla,..... Dabic ce iskoristiti sudenje u krunisanje sebe kao zrtve i buduceg sveca za nova pokoljenja buducih genocidnih falangi odbrane i spasa vaskolikog srpstva kao i njegove zasluge u stvaranju genocind tvorevine.

Dabic je odavno postao pacjent struke cije bi trebao biti lijecnik a njegovi sludeni pacijenti vec odavno cekaju njegovu kolektivnu terapiju za mobilisanje masa u podrsci Dodi na odbrani njegove genocidne ostavstine ,a kojoj se upravo sudi njegovim sudenjem u Hagu, .... presuda istom ce biti ujedno presuda genocidnoj tvorevini na cijem celu je stajao ovaj bolesni dvonogi genocidni stakor.

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#595 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by popajic » 26/10/2009 10:12

Početak suđenja odložen zbog odsustva Karadžića
Pretresno vijeće Haškog tribunala odložilo je današnji početak suđenja u procesu protiv Radovana Karadžića (64), bivšeg lidera bosanskih Srba, nakon štro se optuženi nije pojavio u sudu.
Farsa se nastavlja :x

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#596 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by Been » 26/10/2009 14:30

Toto wrote:moze li haski tuzilac zovnut Biljanu Plavsic kao svjedoka u procesu protiv Karadjica??
Plavšićka je odbila svjedočiti u Karadžićevu odbranu... No, sumnjam da bi sebi dozvolila da je nacionalisti u Srbiji stave na "crnu listu neprijatelja"

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#597 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by jefferson » 26/10/2009 14:35

Ma Karadzicevo i Mladicevo sudjenje treba u SAD premjestit, pa bi vidjeli kako se sudi. Vise mi je tih evropskih ljudskih prava i medjunarodne zajednice pun k....
Plavsiceva izadje iz zatvora za par godina, a ucesnik u genocidu! U SAD vise dobijes za tucu nego ona kao saucesnik genocida!


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#599 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by mofo33 » 26/10/2009 22:39

d700 wrote:Radovan Karadzic ?

Ma u odlucujecem trenutku je on sebi napakovao prevelik teret na ledja, zgazila ga historija i on je zrtva tih okolnosti. Mislim da nije zloban, nego je on manipulisan i sumnjam da bi u toj situaciji bilo ko mogao drugacije nesto da uradi. Sjecam se kako je ocajno i uplakanim glasom molio da se neodrzi referendum, jer bi mogao nestati bosanski narod. Covjek koji priprema genocid, tako ne govori...nije on monstrum.
nije bio al' su mu fino spakovali monstrumstvo
tip snobuje sudjenje,jer niko nece ni da cuje njegovo svedocanstvo,svima treba neki "dezurni krivac"
pasce njegova jeftina glava marionete, sve je unaprijed odluceno i osudjeno

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#600 Re: Radovan Karadžić u Haagu!

Post by tempora » 26/10/2009 23:40

Interesuje me da li su nasi mediji obratili paznju na pocetak sudjenja i na koji nacin? Moze li neko napisati nesto o tome?
Karadzic je vec nagovjestio da nece prisustvovati sudjenju, pa se onda predomislio - no ipak ga jutros nije bilo. Poziv na okupljanje ispred suda nije bas urodio plodom, sto zbog stalnog odgadjanja pocetka sudjenja pa time i kasnog poziva. Koliko sam razumjela iz BiH su stigla tri autobusa ( mahom) zena kako bi prisustvovale sudjenju. Holandska televizija je posvetila jednu reportazu pocetku sudjenja u kojoj Karadzic o Srebrenici ( intervju sa holandskim novinarom 1997e) tvrdi da je Srebrenica nije bila zasticena zona kako se to tvrdilo jer je u njoj svaki dan bio ubijen barem po jedan Srbin i da se istovremeno u Srebrenici nalazilo 9000 vojnika. ( valjda muslimanskih). Takodjer, Karadzic tvrdi da je svojoj vojsci nalagao da postupaju po Zenevskoj konvenciji, ali da za "osvete" nije mogao znati/odgovarati ako je takvih bilo. ( ukoliko se dobro sjecam dijelova intervjua).
Holandski mediji najavljuju da Tribunal u Karadzicevom procesu nece napraviti istu gresku kao sa Milosevicem, vec da ce proces trajati puno krace - te da se ocekuje dozivotna.

Ovim putem zahvaljujem svim onim hrabrim zenama koje i dalje imaju snage doci i stati pred ovaj sud -bez obzira na nistavnu podrsku/ucesce koju imaju od nas.

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