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#826 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Mogy87 » 25/11/2020 10:48

Covjek koji je ucestvovao kao dobrovoljac u testiranju Oxford/AstraZeneca vakcine objasnjava zasto su uspjeli vakcinu napraviti ovako brzo na vrlo razumljiv nacin

https://ba.voanews.com/a/covid19-vakcin ... 15839.html


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#827 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Point. » 25/11/2020 16:31

grickoo wrote:
24/11/2020 16:17
zanimljivo da je vec isplanirana distribucija milijardi vakcina a ne vidim da je ijedna država pitala svoj narod hoće li oni tu vakcinu. ovo je stampanje vakcine bez pokrica, normalan covjek to sranje u sebe nece ubrizgati.
Normalan narod koji ne pada na glupe priče o Bill Gatesu, 5G i čipovanju će primiti vakcinu da se polako riješi ovo sranje od pandemije.

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#828 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by vjeshalica » 25/11/2020 16:56

grickoo wrote:
24/11/2020 17:53
agnostic_front wrote:
24/11/2020 17:22
Dodje covjek da sazna o razvoju vakcine, antivakseri dominiraju temom. Ocekivano doduse.
Ne smije se misljenje izraziti?
mozes, ali u principu tvoje misljenje je irelevantno pogotovo u krugovima ljudi koji su potrosili dobar dio zivota ili cijeli zivot da se obrazuju,a ti samo da listas seracke sajtove žute štampe nepismenih kurvi i kretena preko istočne granice BiH, i oni su ti mjerilo poimanja zivota... :oops:

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#829 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Milenkov buraz » 25/11/2020 17:08

Point. wrote:
25/11/2020 16:31
grickoo wrote:
24/11/2020 16:17
zanimljivo da je vec isplanirana distribucija milijardi vakcina a ne vidim da je ijedna država pitala svoj narod hoće li oni tu vakcinu. ovo je stampanje vakcine bez pokrica, normalan covjek to sranje u sebe nece ubrizgati.
Normalan narod koji ne pada na glupe priče o Bill Gatesu, 5G i čipovanju će primiti vakcinu da se polako riješi ovo sranje od pandemije.
:thumbup: Vjeruj ja bih je prvi primio, gdje treba stati u red?

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#830 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Edin H. » 25/11/2020 17:23

Milenkov buraz wrote:
25/11/2020 17:08
Point. wrote:
25/11/2020 16:31
grickoo wrote:
24/11/2020 16:17
zanimljivo da je vec isplanirana distribucija milijardi vakcina a ne vidim da je ijedna država pitala svoj narod hoće li oni tu vakcinu. ovo je stampanje vakcine bez pokrica, normalan covjek to sranje u sebe nece ubrizgati.
Normalan narod koji ne pada na glupe priče o Bill Gatesu, 5G i čipovanju će primiti vakcinu da se polako riješi ovo sranje od pandemije.
:thumbup: Vjeruj ja bih je prvi primio, gdje treba stati u red?
Ja neću, ako me neće čipovati :oops:

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#831 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Grean » 25/11/2020 17:57

Zar nema niko ko je upucen u tematiku da nam razjasni od ovih vakcina koje su na pragu da budu odobrene u koju grupu spadaju? Ja mogu reci da sam laik koji nije imao najbolja iskustva sa ovom "II generacijom".

I. Whole-Pathogen Vaccines

Traditional vaccines consist of entire pathogens that have been killed or weakened so that they cannot cause disease. Such whole-pathogen vaccines can elicit strong protective immune responses. Many of the vaccines in clinical use today fall into this category. However, not every disease-causing microbe can be effectively targeted with a whole-pathogen vaccine.
Tradicionalna, ubacuje se oslabljeni virus koji nema mogucnost reprodukovanja. Navodno u maju ove godine sedam kompanija od njih stotinjak je razvijalo ovaj tip vakcine. Problem sa ovom tradicionalnom je da proizvodnja uzima vremena tako da cisto sumnjam da ce nas ove zapasti.

II. Subunit Vaccines

Instead of the entire pathogen, subunit vaccines include only the components, or antigens, that best stimulate the immune system. Although this design can make vaccines safer and easier to produce, it often requires the incorporation of adjuvants to elicit a strong protective immune response because the antigens alone are not sufficient to induce adequate long-term immunity.
Druga generacija, ne ubrizgava se oslabljen virus vec samo antigen i najcesce treba dodatna vakcinacija koja pojacava imuni sistem (sta sa ljudima sa autoimunim bolestima?, da li utice). Na ovoj platformi su razvijene vakcine za veliki kasalj, hepatitis B, meningitis. Najveci broj vakcina za Covid, ca. 50% od ukupnog broja je razvijalo ovu vrstu vakcine.

III. Nucleic Acid Vaccines

Another investigational approach to vaccination involves introducing genetic material encoding the antigen or antigens against which an immune response is sought. The body’s own cells then use this genetic material to produce the antigens. Potential advantages of this approach include the stimulation of broad long-term immune responses, excellent vaccine stability and relative ease of large-scale vaccine manufacture. Many such vaccines are in the research pipeline, although none are currently licensed for human use.
Treca generacija koja ce biti po prvi put upotrijebljena. Pojednostavljeno ubacuje se genetski kod koji instruise nase tijelo da proizvodi antigene za taj virus. Navodno vakcina od americke kompanije Moderna uradjena na ovoj platformi, bila vijest juce da je EU potpisala ugovor s njima za 160 miliona doza.

Zna li se za Pfizer, Astra-Zeneca, J&J koje su tipe? Ne kazem da cu na tome zasnovati bilo kakvu odluku ako uopste bude mogucnosti za tako sto ali me interesuje.

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/vaccine-types

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#832 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by grickoo » 25/11/2020 19:19

vjeshalica wrote:
25/11/2020 16:56
grickoo wrote:
24/11/2020 17:53
agnostic_front wrote:
24/11/2020 17:22
Dodje covjek da sazna o razvoju vakcine, antivakseri dominiraju temom. Ocekivano doduse.
Ne smije se misljenje izraziti?
mozes, ali u principu tvoje misljenje je irelevantno pogotovo u krugovima ljudi koji su potrosili dobar dio zivota ili cijeli zivot da se obrazuju,a ti samo da listas seracke sajtove žute štampe nepismenih kurvi i kretena preko istočne granice BiH, i oni su ti mjerilo poimanja zivota... :oops:
Vi o mnogim zenama imate poprilicno gadno misljenje. Cudan level frustracije :kiss:

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#833 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by freelancerBIH » 25/11/2020 19:26

Lijepe vijesti iz Amerike - 20 miliona vakcinisanih ce biti u decembru 2020 - ista vakcina koju sam ja primio. Ovo su odlicne vijesti! Malo po malo idemo u kraj ovom smecu od virusa :bih: :bih:

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#834 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by vjeshalica » 25/11/2020 20:42

grickoo wrote:
25/11/2020 19:19
vjeshalica wrote:
25/11/2020 16:56
grickoo wrote:
24/11/2020 17:53


Ne smije se misljenje izraziti?
mozes, ali u principu tvoje misljenje je irelevantno pogotovo u krugovima ljudi koji su potrosili dobar dio zivota ili cijeli zivot da se obrazuju,a ti samo da listas seracke sajtove žute štampe nepismenih kurvi i kretena preko istočne granice BiH, i oni su ti mjerilo poimanja zivota... :oops:
Vi o mnogim zenama imate poprilicno gadno misljenje. Cudan level frustracije :kiss:
Jel to sve sto imas da izjavis? Jedini domet? Hajde fino za tebe.

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#835 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Mogy87 » 25/11/2020 21:01

@Grean vakcina koju su razvili Pfizer/BioNtech i Moderna se zasniva na mRNA tehnologiji. Po ovoj tvojoj podjeli spada u Nucleic Acid Vaccines. Ta tehnologija do sada nije koristena za "konvencionalne" vakcine, ali se itekako primjenjuje za imunoterapiju koja je revolucija u lijecenju karcinoma. Za oboljele od kancera prave se personalizirane "vakcine" koje omogucuju organizmu da celije raka prepozna kao "neprijateljske" i izbori se s njima (najjednostavnije objasnjeno).

We are also applying our mRNA technology to the emerging field of immuno-oncology, also often referred to as immunotherapy. This therapeutic area involves harnessing the body’s immune system to identify and kill cancer cells in the same way the immune system identifies and targets infection from pathogens.

Sa stranice Moderne:

https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline/ther ... o-oncology

BioNtech (Pfizerov partner) nudi slicne proizvode:

https://biontech.de/how-we-translate/biontech-approach

AstraZeneca/Oxford i Johnson&Johnson su vakcine koje koriste viralni vektor

Ove vakcine pomoću genetički modifikovanih adenovirusa (koji su bezopasni) u organizam ubacuju dio virusa SARS-CoV-2 koji izaziva imunološku reakciju. Tu je adenovirus neka vrsta transportnog sredstva. Spadaju u rekombinantne vakcine (nisu navedene na tvojoj listi) i takodjer su treca generacija.
Ova tehnologija je takodjer dosta nova, ali su je naucnici sa Oxforda koristili prilikom istrazivanja za vakcine protiv SARSa1 i MERSA (koje na kraju nisu bile potrebne) tako da je bolje poznaju.

Ako te zanima zasto ove "starije" metode proizvodnje vakcina nisu bile moguce vise informacija mozes dobiti na ovom linku uz napomenu da je clanak pisan na pocetku pandemije i ne ukljucuje otkrica do kojih su naucnici dosli vec samo eventualne razloge zasto neka od tehnika ne bi bila odgovarajuca.

https://imunizacija.hr/novi-virus-novo-cjepivo/

Nadam se da nisam bila previse opsirna i da sam ti uspjela koliko toliko pokasniti stvari. Ako imas jos koje pitanje slobodno pitaj.

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#836 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Lao Ce » 25/11/2020 22:55

freelancerBIH wrote:
25/11/2020 19:26
Lijepe vijesti iz Amerike - 20 miliona vakcinisanih ce biti u decembru 2020 - ista vakcina koju sam ja primio. Ovo su odlicne vijesti! Malo po malo idemo u kraj ovom smecu od virusa :bih: :bih:
Može li malo više o tome gdje si primio, kako, šta, nešto napismeno....

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#837 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by grickoo » 25/11/2020 23:10

Prodajem svoju vakcinu 100 km.

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#838 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Edin H. » 25/11/2020 23:15

grickoo wrote:
25/11/2020 23:10
Prodajem svoju vakcinu 100 km.

To gricko lave.

Je li je držiš u špajzu?

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#839 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by daddy-kool » 25/11/2020 23:22

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -19-spread

How a Covid-19 Vaccine Could End Up Helping the Virus Spread

A vaccine that protects against symptoms of Covid-19 could contribute to the spread of the disease if—and this is still just an if—the people who get vaccinated remain capable of carrying and transmitting the virus. That’s a risk that’s gotten little attention amid the deserved jubilation over a Nov. 9 report from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE that their vaccine candidate appears to be highly effective.

It’s a matter of timing. If everyone in the world is vaccinated, or has developed antibodies through exposure to the disease, there will be no problem. But in the early going, when only some people are protected, they could unwittingly spread the disease to people who are still vulnerable. The vaccinated people might stop wearing masks and social distancing since they aren’t themselves at risk anymore. They could be carrying the SARS-CoV-2 virus, even if they’re not getting sick from it.

How big a problem this might be is hard to say, because we don't know for sure if immunized people are capable of shedding infectious virus. It's possible that their antibodies will eradicate any infection pretty quickly, so they might just shed viral debris. Pfizer and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

It’s also not yet clear how much protection the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and others would provide. The gold standard is to achieve sterilizing immunity, which is so strong that the virus can’t get a grip in the body at all—meaning that vaccinated people are safe to others. The human papillomavirus vaccine provides sterilizing immunity, for example. But sterilizing immunity is hard to achieve with viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, which enter through the respiratory system. The only sure way to know if the vaccine provides sterilizing immunity would be to check whether trial subjects who remain free of Covid-19 have been exposed to it, by tracing their contacts.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and others might provide just functional immunity—protecting people from the full-blown disease but not from carrying the virus. Functional immunity may also be what people get from being infected by the disease itself. They can catch it again, but will have fewer, if any, symptoms. We already know that people who are asymptomatic can spread Covid-19. In fact, that’s one of its scariest characteristics.

Bloomberg’s Jason Gale raised this issue with Paul Griffin, a professor in the faculty of medicine at the University of Queensland in Australia. Griffin, who is an investigator on four Covid-19 vaccines that do not include the Pfizer-BioNTech one, said that while it might turn out that vaccinated people can transmit the disease, transmission is far more likely if people are coughing and sneezing. “So if we are preventing clinical disease, then that will go a long way to reducing transmission as well, even if it's not precisely a transmission-blocking vaccine,” Griffin said on Nov. 10.

In other words, under the right conditions, a vaccine can and should suppress the transmission of Covid-19. But if people who get vaccinated throw caution to the winds, it’s possible they could get a lot of other people sick.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 0/fulltext

What can we expect from first-generation COVID-19 vaccines?

These observations suggest that we cannot assume COVID-19 vaccines, even if shown to be effective in reducing severity of disease, will reduce virus transmission to a comparable degree. The notion that COVID-19-vaccine-induced population immunity will allow a return to pre-COVID-19 “normalcy” might be based on illusory assumptions.

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#840 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Grean » 25/11/2020 23:38

Mogy87 wrote:
25/11/2020 21:01
@Grean vakcina koju su razvili Pfizer/BioNtech i Moderna se zasniva na mRNA tehnologiji. Po ovoj tvojoj podjeli spada u Nucleic Acid Vaccines. Ta tehnologija do sada nije koristena za "konvencionalne" vakcine, ali se itekako primjenjuje za imunoterapiju koja je revolucija u lijecenju karcinoma. Za oboljele od kancera prave se personalizirane "vakcine" koje omogucuju organizmu da celije raka prepozna kao "neprijateljske" i izbori se s njima (najjednostavnije objasnjeno).

We are also applying our mRNA technology to the emerging field of immuno-oncology, also often referred to as immunotherapy. This therapeutic area involves harnessing the body’s immune system to identify and kill cancer cells in the same way the immune system identifies and targets infection from pathogens.

Sa stranice Moderne:

https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline/ther ... o-oncology

BioNtech (Pfizerov partner) nudi slicne proizvode:

https://biontech.de/how-we-translate/biontech-approach

AstraZeneca/Oxford i Johnson&Johnson su vakcine koje koriste viralni vektor

Ove vakcine pomoću genetički modifikovanih adenovirusa (koji su bezopasni) u organizam ubacuju dio virusa SARS-CoV-2 koji izaziva imunološku reakciju. Tu je adenovirus neka vrsta transportnog sredstva. Spadaju u rekombinantne vakcine (nisu navedene na tvojoj listi) i takodjer su treca generacija.
Ova tehnologija je takodjer dosta nova, ali su je naucnici sa Oxforda koristili prilikom istrazivanja za vakcine protiv SARSa1 i MERSA (koje na kraju nisu bile potrebne) tako da je bolje poznaju.

Ako te zanima zasto ove "starije" metode proizvodnje vakcina nisu bile moguce vise informacija mozes dobiti na ovom linku uz napomenu da je clanak pisan na pocetku pandemije i ne ukljucuje otkrica do kojih su naucnici dosli vec samo eventualne razloge zasto neka od tehnika ne bi bila odgovarajuca.

https://imunizacija.hr/novi-virus-novo-cjepivo/

Nadam se da nisam bila previse opsirna i da sam ti uspjela koliko toliko pokasniti stvari. Ako imas jos koje pitanje slobodno pitaj.
Hvala za objasnjenje. Absolutno nije preopsirno, pogotovo za nekog ko nikad nije nista zavrsio u jednoj recenici.

Ja sam bio lohotan i to duze vrijeme od jedne od ovih iz generacije II, ove sa antigenom, toliko brzo sam los bio da po povratku sa puta zbog kojeg sam je i primio nikad nisam uzeo tu dopunu koja se uzima nakon cini mi se 6 mjeseci. Bit ce teska odluka jer to moje je stvarno trajalo sa brukom difuznih tegoba. Moram podvuci da ja nemam nikakvu potvrdu medicinsku da je bilo to to, da ne ispadne da propagiram kontra vakcine ali za mene to nikad nije bila koincidencija.

Ovo sa genetskim kodom malo zvuci strasno ali eto vec se primjenjuje za neke druge stvari.


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#842 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Lao Ce » 26/11/2020 09:36

daddy-kool wrote:
25/11/2020 23:22
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -19-spread

How a Covid-19 Vaccine Could End Up Helping the Virus Spread

A vaccine that protects against symptoms of Covid-19 could contribute to the spread of the disease if—and this is still just an if—the people who get vaccinated remain capable of carrying and transmitting the virus. That’s a risk that’s gotten little attention amid the deserved jubilation over a Nov. 9 report from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE that their vaccine candidate appears to be highly effective.

It’s a matter of timing. If everyone in the world is vaccinated, or has developed antibodies through exposure to the disease, there will be no problem. But in the early going, when only some people are protected, they could unwittingly spread the disease to people who are still vulnerable. The vaccinated people might stop wearing masks and social distancing since they aren’t themselves at risk anymore. They could be carrying the SARS-CoV-2 virus, even if they’re not getting sick from it.

How big a problem this might be is hard to say, because we don't know for sure if immunized people are capable of shedding infectious virus. It's possible that their antibodies will eradicate any infection pretty quickly, so they might just shed viral debris. Pfizer and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

It’s also not yet clear how much protection the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and others would provide. The gold standard is to achieve sterilizing immunity, which is so strong that the virus can’t get a grip in the body at all—meaning that vaccinated people are safe to others. The human papillomavirus vaccine provides sterilizing immunity, for example. But sterilizing immunity is hard to achieve with viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, which enter through the respiratory system. The only sure way to know if the vaccine provides sterilizing immunity would be to check whether trial subjects who remain free of Covid-19 have been exposed to it, by tracing their contacts.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and others might provide just functional immunity—protecting people from the full-blown disease but not from carrying the virus. Functional immunity may also be what people get from being infected by the disease itself. They can catch it again, but will have fewer, if any, symptoms. We already know that people who are asymptomatic can spread Covid-19. In fact, that’s one of its scariest characteristics.

Bloomberg’s Jason Gale raised this issue with Paul Griffin, a professor in the faculty of medicine at the University of Queensland in Australia. Griffin, who is an investigator on four Covid-19 vaccines that do not include the Pfizer-BioNTech one, said that while it might turn out that vaccinated people can transmit the disease, transmission is far more likely if people are coughing and sneezing. “So if we are preventing clinical disease, then that will go a long way to reducing transmission as well, even if it's not precisely a transmission-blocking vaccine,” Griffin said on Nov. 10.

In other words, under the right conditions, a vaccine can and should suppress the transmission of Covid-19. But if people who get vaccinated throw caution to the winds, it’s possible they could get a lot of other people sick.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 0/fulltext

What can we expect from first-generation COVID-19 vaccines?

These observations suggest that we cannot assume COVID-19 vaccines, even if shown to be effective in reducing severity of disease, will reduce virus transmission to a comparable degree. The notion that COVID-19-vaccine-induced population immunity will allow a return to pre-COVID-19 “normalcy” might be based on illusory assumptions.
I druga strana priče:


No successful and effective vaccine has ever been developed against any previous coronavirus!

There is absolutely no need for vaccines to shut down the pandemic because the pandemic is actually over. Don't vaccinate people who are not in danger of illness. Also don't plan on vaccinating millions of healthy people with vaccines that aren't extensively tested on people. The instinct for universal vaccine has a ′′ breath of evil ′′ that I will ′′ vigorously oppose ". A very small number of people in the world will need a vaccine against Covid-19 because the death rate is low, and the disease obviously does not cause excess mortality.

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#843 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by spinel_ » 26/11/2020 10:23

ali, ali, ali...... BROJEVI ga DEMANTUJU :cry: :lol:
Pobijaju ga u 2 rijeci :lol:

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#844 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Mogy87 » 26/11/2020 10:29

Naravno da ga demantuju. Dok je u EU COVID u posljednjoj sedmici vodeci uzrok smrti covjek izjavi da je pandemija gotova i ostade ziv. A tvrdnja da nema dodatno umrlih se demantuje s 2 klika.

Budala Merkelica niko joj nije javio da je pandemija zavrsena i da nema dodatno umrlih. Ili je i ona dio zavjere?

"Zima će biti teška", poručila je kancelarka Merkel, najavivši da će trenutna ograničenja biti na snazi u većini dijelova Njemačke do početka januara 2021. godine.

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/merk ... /201126025

Nema veze sto je laz lako provjerljiva laz, kad se vama dopada sta pise.

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Post by spinel_ » 26/11/2020 10:36

Ma naravno, u nedostatku bilo kakve argumentacije hvatas se grafikona koji u odnosu na prethodne godine nikakav enorman porast ne pokazuju.
Zasto vjerovati strucnjaku, treba vjerovati tebi i placenim medijima.

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#846 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by daddy-kool » 26/11/2020 10:37

Mogy87 wrote:
26/11/2020 10:29

Nema veze sto je laz, kad se vama dopada sta pise.
Znaju da je laž, sve je ovo čisto trolanje.

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#847 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Mogy87 » 26/11/2020 10:37

spinel_ wrote:
26/11/2020 10:36
Ma naravno, u nedostatku bilo kakve argumentacije hvatas se grafikona koji u odnosu na prethodne godine nikakav enorman porast ne pokazuju.
Zasto vjerovati strucnjaku, treba vjerovati tebi i placenim medijima.
200 hiljada dodatno umrlih u 21 drzavi nije rast?

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#848 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by spinel_ » 26/11/2020 10:38

Mogy87 wrote:
26/11/2020 10:37
spinel_ wrote:
26/11/2020 10:36
Ma naravno, u nedostatku bilo kakve argumentacije hvatas se grafikona koji u odnosu na prethodne godine nikakav enorman porast ne pokazuju.
Zasto vjerovati strucnjaku, treba vjerovati tebi i placenim medijima.
200 hiljada dodatno umrlih u 21 drzavi nije rast?
U redu je, ne zelim vise s placenikom da razgovaram.

Mogy87
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#849 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by Mogy87 » 26/11/2020 10:38

daddy-kool wrote:
26/11/2020 10:37
Mogy87 wrote:
26/11/2020 10:29

Nema veze sto je laz, kad se vama dopada sta pise.
Znaju da je laž, sve je ovo čisto trolanje.
Ja se iskreno nadam da si u pravu. I da ne dijelim planetu s osobom koja kaze da 200K dodatno umrlih nije rast na koji se treba obazirati.

AmirBaa
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#850 Re: Corona cjepivo/vakcina - News

Post by AmirBaa » 26/11/2020 10:41

Mogy87 wrote:
26/11/2020 10:38
daddy-kool wrote:
26/11/2020 10:37
Mogy87 wrote:
26/11/2020 10:29

Nema veze sto je laz, kad se vama dopada sta pise.
Znaju da je laž, sve je ovo čisto trolanje.
Ja se iskreno nadam da si u pravu. I da ne dijelim planetu s osobom koja kaze da 200K dodatno umrlih nije rast na koji se treba obazirati.
:lol:

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