Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

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Post by un1ted » 16/10/2020 10:58

Trappist wrote:
16/10/2020 10:55
Ali nisu im umirali ljudi, nije bio zdravstveni sistem preopterecen, zar nije to glavni argument za uvodjenje mjera a ne brojke zarazenih?
Sve je isto kao do sada, ali se nije izvještavalo.


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Post by MMM1977 » 16/10/2020 10:59

@Mogy87, @Naslovnica Smoriste brate sa ovim statistikama koje svakako pripadaju onoj drugoj temi
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#30928 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Ali_G » 16/10/2020 10:59

Trappist wrote:
16/10/2020 10:40
U Sarajevu prije 3-4 dana 15-tak, danas 130. U Hrvatskoj prije 3-4 dana 200-tinjak, danas 1100. Pa kako eto, kako? Da nije mozda jer je hladnije vrijeme :lol: :lol:
Ma jok. Predizbore foluska

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Post by dječak sa šibicama » 16/10/2020 11:00

Opet "strucnjaci" o manipulacijama, bjelosvjetskim zavjerama, samo nemoj slusajno da se pocnu ponasati ko normalni ljudi.

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Post by Trappist » 16/10/2020 11:03

dječak sa šibicama wrote:
16/10/2020 11:00
Opet "strucnjaci" o manipulacijama, bjelosvjetskim zavjerama, samo nemoj slusajno da se pocnu ponasati ko normalni ljudi.
Onda se niko ne ponasao kao normalni ljudi ni u Hrvatskoj, Sloveniji, Njemackoj, Ceskoj, Austriji, UK, Spaniji, Italiji...nastavi niz :thumbup:

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#30931 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Mogy87 » 16/10/2020 11:04

MMM1977 wrote:
16/10/2020 10:59
@Mogy87, @Naslovnica Smoriste brate sa ovim statistikama koje svakako pripadaju onoj drugoj temi
Izvinjavam se, u pravu si :thumbup:

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#30932 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by skafiskafsnjak » 16/10/2020 11:06

Ma realno, kao da je izrezirano.
Evo ja sam u Minhenu. Mjesecima se nose maske u zatvorenom,.prevozu, cak i na stanicama.

Poprilicno je okej bilo...i sad odjednom.bum, rekordi padaju.

Nigdje veze...

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#30933 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Naslovnica » 16/10/2020 11:38

Mogy87 wrote:
16/10/2020 10:48
@Naslovnica vidi sad ovo.

MORE THAN 2,000 scientists, researchers & healthcare professionals have now signed the John Snow Memorandum.
We vet every signature, so it may take 24 hours for your name to appear.

Zamisli, provjeravaju potpise? Hoces da ja stavim 2.000 STVARNIH potpisa unutar 24h?

Any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural infections for COVID-19 is flawed. Uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity(3) and mortality across the whole population. In addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of healthcare systems to provide acute and routine care.

Furthermore, there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection(4) and the endemic transmission that would be the consequence of waning immunity would present a risk to vulnerable populations for the indefinite future. Such a strategy would not end the COVID-19 pandemic but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination. It would also place an unacceptable burden on the economy and healthcare workers, many of whom have died from COVID-19 or experienced trauma as a result of having to practise disaster medicine. Additionally, we still do not understand who might suffer from long COVID(3). Defining who is vulnerable is complex, but even if we consider those at risk of severe illness, the proportion of vulnerable people constitute as much as 30% of the population in some regions(8). Prolonged isolation of large swathes of the population is practically impossible and highly unethical. Empirical evidence from many countries shows that it is not feasible to restrict uncontrolled outbreaks to particular sections of society. Such an approach also risks further exacerbating the socioeconomic inequities and structural discriminations already laid bare by the pandemic. Special efforts to protect the most vulnerable are essential but must go hand-in-hand with multi-pronged population-level strategies.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... X/fulltext

https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/#
Appeal to authority? 8-)

Fino su oni to sročili, mada su na mnogim mjestima kontradiktorni u odnosu na stvarnu situaciju na terenu, posebno što se tiče ekonomije.
Ponovna zaraza sa COVID-19 je dokazana, ali je u pitanju bila genetska mutacija u odnosu na prvobitnu zarazu, tako da dolazimo do pitanja koliko će zaista vakcinacija protiv virusa koji mutira biti efikasna.
Na stranu što i pored raznoraznih vakcina protiv sezonske gripe - godišnje umre na stotine hiljada ljudi od iste.
Zašto bi sa vakcinom protiv COVID-19 koji očigledno mutira - to bilo drugačije?


THE JOHN SNOW MEMORANDUM

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has infected more than 35 million people globally, with more than 1 million deaths recorded by the World Health Organization as of Oct 12, 2020. As a second wave of COVID-19 affects Europe, and with winter approaching, we need clear communication about the risks posed by COVID-19 and effective strategies to combat them. Here, we share our view of the current evidence-based consensus on COVID-19.

SARS-CoV-2 spreads through contact (via larger droplets and aerosols), and longer-range transmission via aerosols, especially in conditions where ventilation is poor. Its high infectivity(1) combined with the susceptibility of unexposed populations to a new virus, creates conditions for rapid community spread. The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 is several-fold higher than that of seasonal influenza(2) and infection can lead to persisting illness, including in young, previously healthy people (ie, long COVID(3)). It is unclear how long protective immunity lasts(4) and, like other seasonal coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 is capable of re-infecting people who have already had the disease, but the frequency of re-infection is unknown(5). Transmission of the virus can be mitigated through physical distancing, use of face coverings, hand and respiratory hygiene, and by avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces. Rapid testing, contact tracing, and isolation are also critical to controlling transmission. The World Health Organization has been advocating for these measures since early in the pandemic.

In the initial phase of the pandemic, many countries instituted lockdowns (general population restrictions, including orders to stay at home and work from home) to slow the rapid spread of the virus. This was essential to reduce mortality(6),(7) prevent health-care services from being overwhelmed, and buy time to set up pandemic response systems to suppress transmission following lockdown. Although lockdowns have been disruptive, substantially affecting mental and physical health, and harming the economy, these effects have often been worse in countries that were not able to use the time during and after lockdown to establish effective pandemic control systems. In the absence of adequate provisions to manage the pandemic and its societal impacts, these countries have faced continuing restrictions.

This has understandably led to widespread demoralisation and diminishing trust. The arrival of a second wave and the realisation of the challenges ahead has led to renewed interest in a so-called herd immunity approach, which suggests allowing a large uncontrolled outbreak in the low-risk population while protecting the vulnerable. Proponents suggest this would lead to the development of infection-acquired population immunity in the low-risk population, which will eventually protect the vulnerable. This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.

Any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural infections for COVID-19 is flawed. Uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity(3) and mortality across the whole population. In addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of healthcare systems to provide acute and routine care.

Furthermore, there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection(4) and the endemic transmission that would be the consequence of waning immunity would present a risk to vulnerable populations for the indefinite future. Such a strategy would not end the COVID-19 pandemic but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination. It would also place an unacceptable burden on the economy and healthcare workers, many of whom have died from COVID-19 or experienced trauma as a result of having to practise disaster medicine. Additionally, we still do not understand who might suffer from long COVID(3). Defining who is vulnerable is complex, but even if we consider those at risk of severe illness, the proportion of vulnerable people constitute as much as 30% of the population in some regions(8). Prolonged isolation of large swathes of the population is practically impossible and highly unethical. Empirical evidence from many countries shows that it is not feasible to restrict uncontrolled outbreaks to particular sections of society. Such an approach also risks further exacerbating the socioeconomic inequities and structural discriminations already laid bare by the pandemic. Special efforts to protect the most vulnerable are essential but must go hand-in-hand with multi-pronged population-level strategies.

Once again, we face rapidly accelerating increase in COVID-19 cases across much of Europe, the USA, and many other countries across the world. It is critical to act decisively and urgently. Effective measures that suppress and control transmission need to be implemented widely, and they must be supported by financial and social programmes that encourage community responses and address the inequities that have been amplified by the pandemic. Continuing restrictions will probably be required in the short term, to reduce transmission and fix ineffective pandemic response systems, in order to prevent future lockdowns. The purpose of these restrictions is to effectively suppress SARS-CoV-2 infections to low levels that allow rapid detection of localised outbreaks and rapid response through efficient and comprehensive find, test, trace, isolate, and support systems so life can return to near-normal without the need for generalised restrictions. Protecting our economies is inextricably tied to controlling COVID-19. We must protect our workforce and avoid long-term uncertainty.

Japan, Vietnam, and New Zealand, to name a few countries, have shown that robust public health responses can control transmission, allowing life to return to near-normal, and there are many such success stories. The evidence is very clear: controlling community spread of COVID-19 is the best way to protect our societies and economies until safe and effective vaccines and therapeutics arrive within the coming months.

We cannot afford distractions that undermine an effective response; it is essential that we act urgently based on the evidence.

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#30934 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Mogy87 » 16/10/2020 11:42

@Naslovnica molim te prebaci komentar na drugu temu. Covjek ima pravo, dosadni smo ljudima koji zele pratiti iskljucivo BiH.

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Post by stakasa » 16/10/2020 11:42

Mogy87 wrote:
15/10/2020 17:01
Napisala sam ti. Vecinom se radi o ljudima u starackim domovima ili ljudima koji su umrli kod kuce. Svedski pristup je bio takav da ti ljudi prakticno nisu ni imali pristup ljekarima jer je postojala dobna granica za prijem u bolnicu.
U Italiji je bio takav haos da se jednostavno nije stizalo. Nije bilo lose namjere jednostavno nije bilo resursa.

Posto vidim da te tema zanima evo odlican clanak NYT koji se bavi ovom temom i azurira se redovno

But the total death numbers offer a more complete portrait of the pandemic, researchers say, especially because most countries report only those Covid-19 deaths that occur in hospitals.

O ovome ti pricam.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... eaths.html
Moras biti svjesna da je ovo sto pises bolesno. Objasnjavao sam ti vec ali ti se drzis zacrtanog kao pijan plota

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Post by Mogy87 » 16/10/2020 11:44

stakasa wrote:
16/10/2020 11:42
Mogy87 wrote:
15/10/2020 17:01
Napisala sam ti. Vecinom se radi o ljudima u starackim domovima ili ljudima koji su umrli kod kuce. Svedski pristup je bio takav da ti ljudi prakticno nisu ni imali pristup ljekarima jer je postojala dobna granica za prijem u bolnicu.
U Italiji je bio takav haos da se jednostavno nije stizalo. Nije bilo lose namjere jednostavno nije bilo resursa.

Posto vidim da te tema zanima evo odlican clanak NYT koji se bavi ovom temom i azurira se redovno

But the total death numbers offer a more complete portrait of the pandemic, researchers say, especially because most countries report only those Covid-19 deaths that occur in hospitals.

O ovome ti pricam.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... eaths.html
Moras biti svjesna da je ovo sto pises bolesno. Objasnjavao sam ti vec ali ti se drzis zacrtanog kao pijan plota
Odgovaram na drugoj temi, da ne smaramo ljude ovdje.

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Post by Naslovnica » 16/10/2020 11:48

Dosta od mene za danas, imam posla.
:lol:


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Post by dzenanalic22 » 16/10/2020 11:58

BiH: 613 novih slučajeva (FBiH 371, RS 242)

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#30940 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by GAU8 » 16/10/2020 12:00

Mogy87 wrote:
15/10/2020 17:01
Svedski pristup je bio takav da ti ljudi prakticno nisu ni imali pristup ljekarima jer je postojala dobna granica za prijem u bolnicu.
Ima li negdje pouzdan izvor koji ovo zvanicno potvrdjuje?

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Post by Trappist » 16/10/2020 12:04

https://www.oslobodjenje.ba/vijesti/bih ... aja-597832
"Šefica Kriznog štaba KS: Možemo još neke mjere zategnuti i napraviti restrikciju, ovo je slijed događaja"

GLedaj bahatluka, popišam joj se na doktorsku diplomu. Kad je krenuo drugi val gospoja na ljetovanje otisla u tursku a kad se vratila savjetovala narodu da ne putuje izvan granica BiH. I trebam slusati takvu osobu i misliti da se ona brine za moje zdravlje?

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#30942 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Horke » 16/10/2020 12:07

GAU8 wrote:
16/10/2020 12:00
Mogy87 wrote:
15/10/2020 17:01
Svedski pristup je bio takav da ti ljudi prakticno nisu ni imali pristup ljekarima jer je postojala dobna granica za prijem u bolnicu.
Ima li negdje pouzdan izvor koji ovo zvanicno potvrdjuje?
I mene zanima . Svedska je zemlja u kojoj je zastita ljudskih prava na visokom nivou. Za ovo bi debelo odgovarali. I letile bi tuzbe na sve strane.

Ima li igdje zvanican podatak u vrhuncu pandemije u aprilu koliko su im bolnice bile opterecene?

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#30943 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by daddy-kool » 16/10/2020 12:08

Trappist wrote:
16/10/2020 12:04
https://www.oslobodjenje.ba/vijesti/bih ... aja-597832
"Šefica Kriznog štaba KS: Možemo još neke mjere zategnuti i napraviti restrikciju, ovo je slijed događaja"

GLedaj bahatluka, popišam joj se na doktorsku diplomu. Kad je krenuo drugi val gospoja na ljetovanje otisla u tursku a kad se vratila savjetovala narodu da ne putuje izvan granica BiH. I trebam slusati takvu osobu i misliti da se ona brine za moje zdravlje?
-Naredbe treba poštovati, ne treba ih komentarisati.
:-)

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#30944 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Mogy87 » 16/10/2020 12:08

@GAU8 @Horke imate odgovor na odgovarajucoj temi.

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Post by Horke » 16/10/2020 12:10

I logicno je da sad dolazi do porasta broja zarazenih, hladnije vrijeme i ljudi su vise u zatvorenom, gdje transmisija virusa visa.

Prije su baste bile pune. Sad je to preslo samo u zatvoren prostor. Znam po kaficu u mom naselju.

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#30946 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Trappist » 16/10/2020 12:11

Horke wrote:
16/10/2020 12:07
GAU8 wrote:
16/10/2020 12:00
Mogy87 wrote:
15/10/2020 17:01
Svedski pristup je bio takav da ti ljudi prakticno nisu ni imali pristup ljekarima jer je postojala dobna granica za prijem u bolnicu.
Ima li negdje pouzdan izvor koji ovo zvanicno potvrdjuje?
I mene zanima . Svedska je zemlja u kojoj je zastita ljudskih prava na visokom nivou. Za ovo bi debelo odgovarali. I letile bi tuzbe na sve strane.

Ima li igdje zvanican podatak u vrhuncu pandemije u aprilu koliko su im bolnice bile opterecene?
Naravno da nema pouzdan izvor, izjave doktora su izvucene iz konteksta u nekim novinama i onda su ovi kao mogy izvukli zakljucak kako je svedska odbila lijeciti starije od 60 ili koliko vec godina. To bi tuzbe slijedile i u vukojebini kao sto je BiH a kamoli u jednoj svedskoj. Samo ispran mozak moze povjerovati u to.


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Post by Mogy87 » 16/10/2020 12:12

Trappist wrote:
16/10/2020 12:11
Horke wrote:
16/10/2020 12:07
GAU8 wrote:
16/10/2020 12:00


Ima li negdje pouzdan izvor koji ovo zvanicno potvrdjuje?
I mene zanima . Svedska je zemlja u kojoj je zastita ljudskih prava na visokom nivou. Za ovo bi debelo odgovarali. I letile bi tuzbe na sve strane.

Ima li igdje zvanican podatak u vrhuncu pandemije u aprilu koliko su im bolnice bile opterecene?
Naravno da nema pouzdan izvor, izjave doktora su izvucene iz konteksta u nekim novinama i onda su ovi kao mogy izvukli zakljucak kako je svedska odbila lijeciti starije od 60 ili koliko vec godina. To bi tuzbe slijedile i u vukojebini kao sto je BiH a kamoli u jednoj svedskoj. Samo ispran mozak moze povjerovati u to.
Sluzbeni podatak Svedske drzave je da je samo 13% starijih koji su umrli od COVIDA primilo bolnicku njegu. Sto, nisu htjeli u bolnicu?

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Post by Horke » 16/10/2020 12:20

Mogy87 wrote:
16/10/2020 12:12
Trappist wrote:
16/10/2020 12:11


Naravno da nema pouzdan izvor, izjave doktora su izvucene iz konteksta u nekim novinama i onda su ovi kao mogy izvukli zakljucak kako je svedska odbila lijeciti starije od 60 ili koliko vec godina. To bi tuzbe slijedile i u vukojebini kao sto je BiH a kamoli u jednoj svedskoj. Samo ispran mozak moze povjerovati u to.
Sluzbeni podatak Svedske drzave je da je samo 13% starijih koji su umrli od COVIDA primilo bolnicku njegu. Sto, nisu htjeli u bolnicu?
Ok. Koliki je ukupan postotak zarazenih kojima nije pruzena ljekarska skrb? Koliki je postatak umrlih mladje zivotne dobe koji su umrli, a nije im ukazana ljekarska pomoc? I onda koliko je veca smrtnost starije populaciju u svijetu u odnosu na mladje. Statistika nije samo podjeliti dva broja i pomnoziti sa sto i to je to.

Meni je nevjerovatno da je radjena trijaza u smislu, koliko imas godina? 70. Mrs kuci i umri.

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#30950 Re: Šta kada se Korona virus pojavi u BiH?? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

Post by Mogy87 » 16/10/2020 12:24

Horke wrote:
16/10/2020 12:20
Mogy87 wrote:
16/10/2020 12:12
Trappist wrote:
16/10/2020 12:11


Naravno da nema pouzdan izvor, izjave doktora su izvucene iz konteksta u nekim novinama i onda su ovi kao mogy izvukli zakljucak kako je svedska odbila lijeciti starije od 60 ili koliko vec godina. To bi tuzbe slijedile i u vukojebini kao sto je BiH a kamoli u jednoj svedskoj. Samo ispran mozak moze povjerovati u to.
Sluzbeni podatak Svedske drzave je da je samo 13% starijih koji su umrli od COVIDA primilo bolnicku njegu. Sto, nisu htjeli u bolnicu?
Ok. Koliki je ukupan postotak zarazenih kojima nije pruzena ljekarska skrb? Koliki je postatak umrlih mladje zivotne dobe koji su umrli, a nije im ukazana ljekarska pomoc? I onda koliko je veca smrtnost starije populaciju u svijetu u odnosu na mladje. Statistika nije samo podjeliti dva broja i pomnoziti sa sto i to je to.

Meni je nevjerovatno da je radjena trijaza u smislu, koliko imas godina? 70. Mrs kuci i umri.
Postavila sam linkove koji daju odgovore na mnoga tvoja pitanja na drugoj temi gdje pripadaju. Ovdje smetamo ljudima koji zele iskljucivo podatke iz BIH.

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