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BiBi911 wrote: 16/09/2021 18:56
cassius wrote: 16/09/2021 18:50 Toliko opasna bolest, da su vakcinu razvijali punih godinu dana :D
Pa koliko su trebali??
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TamaraTaca wrote: 16/09/2021 19:49
cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 16/09/2021 19:46 62 (1·3%) of 4902 individuals in the placebo group and 16 (0·1%) of 14 964 participants in the vaccine group had confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection from day 21 after first vaccine dose (the primary outcome).

:lol: rezultate dobili na cak 78 ispitanika i hopa, vakcinisi sve sto mozes. Iste ili slicne brojke su i kod ostalih, stotinu, dvjesto, tristo ljudi, zastita 70% - 80% - 90% :D i daj da vakcinisemo milijarde ljudi, vjerujte nam na rijec varijanta. Ima logike, realno :D
Nešto slabo tebi ide taj engleski. Kao što i piše u zaglavlju dokumenta sa Lanseta, ispitivanje je obavljeno u nekoliko faza, treća faza je obuhvatila 20000 učesnika. :)
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
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cassius wrote: 17/09/2021 09:28LAZ
Sve je laz, a sta je rjesenje onda?
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cassius wrote: 17/09/2021 09:28 Predstavljaju virus da je toliko zaeban, a vakcinu su smislili u par mjeseci. Spasonosna vakcina koja ne daje uopste toliko spasonosne rezultate.
Ovo ustvari nije prava istina. Dizajniranje vakcina je bilo izuzetno brzo: moderna dizajnirana za 2 dana, biontech/pfizer za nekoliko sati, AZ/Oxford takođe tokom jednog vikenda. Ostatak vremena je potrošen na kontrolu kvalitete, testiranja u 3 faze u ljudskoj populaciji itd.
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KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 09:54
TamaraTaca wrote: 16/09/2021 19:49

Nešto slabo tebi ide taj engleski. Kao što i piše u zaglavlju dokumenta sa Lanseta, ispitivanje je obavljeno u nekoliko faza, treća faza je obuhvatila 20000 učesnika. :)
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
Gdje to piše?
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 09:59
KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 09:54

Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
Gdje to piše?
U svim ozbiljnim naučnim izvorima. :)
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KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 09:59

Gdje to piše?
U svim ozbiljnim naučnim izvorima. :)
Stavi link na bar jedan.
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 09:59
KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 09:54

Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
Gdje to piše?
Vakcina se još uvijek testira, uživo.
I ja sam jedan od učesnika.
:gunjastajl:

Direktno sa stranice proizvođača.

http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472

The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in
clinical trials.

7 Revised: 01 September 2021
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 09:59
KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 09:54

Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
Gdje to piše?
Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01
KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01

U svim ozbiljnim naučnim izvorima. :)
Stavi link na bar jedan.
Ne pravi se lud.
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Ima i ovdje korisnih informacija, također sa stranice proizvođača.

For Health Care Professionals:

Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine Emergency Use Authorization Combined Full Prescribing Information and Fact Sheet

http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling ... d=14471#S8
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Naslovnica wrote: 17/09/2021 10:02
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 09:59

Gdje to piše?
Vakcina se još uvijek testira, uživo.
I ja sam jedan od učesnika.
:gunjastajl:

Direktno sa stranice proizvođača.

http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472

The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in
clinical trials.

7 Revised: 01 September 2021
Piše da će pratiti da li će se pojaviti neke dodatne nus pojave, što je i logično. Ali gdje je spomenuta 2022 i 2023.
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Capljina74 wrote: 17/09/2021 10:02
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 09:59

Gdje to piše?
Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije. :thumbup:
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka. :roll:

:lol: :lol:
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:06
Naslovnica wrote: 17/09/2021 10:02

Vakcina se još uvijek testira, uživo.
I ja sam jedan od učesnika.
:gunjastajl:

Direktno sa stranice proizvođača.

http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472

The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in
clinical trials.

7 Revised: 01 September 2021
Piše da će pratiti da li će se pojaviti neke dodatne nus pojave, što je i logično. Ali gdje je spomenuta 2022 i 2023.
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials - Moguće nuspojave cjepiva još se proučavaju na
kliničkim ispitivanjima.

Ne očekuješ valjda da ti neko da tačan datum završetka eksperimenta?

Do 2022 je ostalo još 106 dana.
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Capljina74 wrote: 17/09/2021 10:03
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01

Stavi link na bar jedan.
Ne pravi se lud.
Šta je problem?
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Naslovnica wrote: 17/09/2021 10:09
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:06

Piše da će pratiti da li će se pojaviti neke dodatne nus pojave, što je i logično. Ali gdje je spomenuta 2022 i 2023.
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials - Moguće nuspojave cjepiva još se proučavaju na
kliničkim ispitivanjima.

Ne očekuješ valjda da ti neko da tačan datum završetka eksperimenta?

Do 2022 je ostalo još 106 dana.
Prati tok diskusije, ona iz jajca je spomenula:
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:07
Capljina74 wrote: 17/09/2021 10:02

Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije. :thumbup:
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka. :roll:

:lol: :lol:
Zvaničan dokument!?

Struka pisala.

slušajstruku
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01
KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01

U svim ozbiljnim naučnim izvorima. :)
Stavi link na bar jedan.
Although stage I and II of the clinical trials are
modest, stage III is a much bigger phase requiring a huge cohort in each investigational
setting. Whether the lead is safe or not is assessed in stage I trials, while stage II is reserved
for determining efficacy. The efficacy and safety are assessed on a much bigger scale in
stage III clinical trials, after which the regulatory bodies decide whether to approve or reject
the vaccine candidate. Although the hastening of this whole cycle might be attributable
to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, efficacy and safety should not, and were
not, undermined at any stage. Even after guidelines are changed to speed up the vaccine
production, it was still unrealistic to anticipate the development of safe and efficacious
vaccine inside a half year after the beginning of clinical trials. Further difficulties might be
confronted after a vaccine is approved for general use, particularly manufacturing at the
scale to vaccinate the entire world population. This would be more probable if increasing
the production includes new technologies that have not been tested beforehand.

https://www.mdpi.com › pdfPDF
Web results
Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - MDPI
https://www.mdpi.com/journal/vaccines
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:07
Capljina74 wrote: 17/09/2021 10:02

Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije. :thumbup:
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka. :roll:

:lol: :lol:
Minisarstvo zdravstva Republike Srbije je zvanična instanca za odobrenje vakcine u Srbiji, bez njih se vakcina ne može koristiti na teritoriji RS, a Agencija za lijekove BiH je nadležna instanca za odobrenje u BiH.
Ne znam šta je to toliko smiješno?
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KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 10:13
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:01

Stavi link na bar jedan.
Although stage I and II of the clinical trials are
modest, stage III is a much bigger phase requiring a huge cohort in each investigational
setting. Whether the lead is safe or not is assessed in stage I trials, while stage II is reserved
for determining efficacy. The efficacy and safety are assessed on a much bigger scale in
stage III clinical trials, after which the regulatory bodies decide whether to approve or reject
the vaccine candidate. Although the hastening of this whole cycle might be attributable
to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, efficacy and safety should not, and were
not, undermined at any stage. Even after guidelines are changed to speed up the vaccine
production, it was still unrealistic to anticipate the development of safe and efficacious
vaccine inside a half year after the beginning of clinical trials. Further difficulties might be
confronted after a vaccine is approved for general use, particularly manufacturing at the
scale to vaccinate the entire world population. This would be more probable if increasing
the production includes new technologies that have not been tested beforehand.

https://www.mdpi.com › pdfPDF
Web results
Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - MDPI
https://www.mdpi.com/journal/vaccines
Da li ti tvrdiš da nisu završena klinička ispitvanja 3.faze? Gdje to piše za ove odobrene vakcine?
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:10
Naslovnica wrote: 17/09/2021 10:09

The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials - Moguće nuspojave cjepiva još se proučavaju na
kliničkim ispitivanjima.

Ne očekuješ valjda da ti neko da tačan datum završetka eksperimenta?

Do 2022 je ostalo još 106 dana.
Prati tok diskusije, ona iz jajca je spomenula:
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
Pratim tok diskusije.
Možda rezultati budu i ranije, ali to je vjerovatno taj neki okvirni period.
U svakom slučaju, vakcine se još uvijek testiraju - uživo.
:thumbup:
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Naslovnica wrote: 17/09/2021 10:14
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:07

To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije. :thumbup:
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka. :roll:

:lol: :lol:
Minisarstvo zdravstva Republike Srbije je zvanična instanca za odobrenje vakcine u Srbiji, bez njih se vakcina ne može koristiti na teritoriji RS, a Agencija za lijekove BiH je nadležna instanca za odobrenje u BiH.
Ne znam šta je to toliko smiješno?
Onda neka stavi neki link na agenciju za lijekove BiH. Kakva bolan Srbija i njihova ministarstva?
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Naslovnica wrote: 17/09/2021 10:16
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:10

Prati tok diskusije, ona iz jajca je spomenula:

Pratim tok diskusije.
Možda rezultati budu i ranije, ali to je vjerovatno taj neki okvirni period.
U svakom slučaju, vakcine se još uvijek testiraju - uživo.
:thumbup:
Ama ljudi nemojte izmišljati.
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daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:14
KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 10:13

Although stage I and II of the clinical trials are
modest, stage III is a much bigger phase requiring a huge cohort in each investigational
setting. Whether the lead is safe or not is assessed in stage I trials, while stage II is reserved
for determining efficacy. The efficacy and safety are assessed on a much bigger scale in
stage III clinical trials, after which the regulatory bodies decide whether to approve or reject
the vaccine candidate. Although the hastening of this whole cycle might be attributable
to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, efficacy and safety should not, and were
not, undermined at any stage. Even after guidelines are changed to speed up the vaccine
production, it was still unrealistic to anticipate the development of safe and efficacious
vaccine inside a half year after the beginning of clinical trials. Further difficulties might be
confronted after a vaccine is approved for general use, particularly manufacturing at the
scale to vaccinate the entire world population. This would be more probable if increasing
the production includes new technologies that have not been tested beforehand.

https://www.mdpi.com › pdfPDF
Web results
Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - MDPI
https://www.mdpi.com/journal/vaccines
Da li ti tvrdiš da nisu završena klinička ispitvanja 3.faze? Gdje to piše za ove odobrene vakcine?
Naslovnica je obrazložio, a ne znaš što podrazumijeva Emergency Use Authorization, naravno, da je cijepljenje odobreno znatno ranije, jer je vanredno stanje.
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KraljicaIzJajca wrote: 17/09/2021 10:17
daddy-kool wrote: 17/09/2021 10:14

Da li ti tvrdiš da nisu završena klinička ispitvanja 3.faze? Gdje to piše za ove odobrene vakcine?
Naslovnica je obrazložio, a ne znaš što podrazumijeva Emergency Use Authorization, naravno, da je cijepljenje odobreno znatno ranije, jer je vanredno stanje.
Vidim da ti ne znaš.
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