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Post by _BataZiv_0809 » 25/10/2020 12:40

Mogy87 wrote:
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Pitaj ga prvo je li to mislio.
U pravu si. I ja mrzim kad mi drugi imputiraju stvari koje nisam rekla.
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Post by Mogy87 » 25/10/2020 12:42

Naslovnica wrote:
25/10/2020 12:38
Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:36
Naslovnica wrote:
25/10/2020 12:32

Prosjek za NY je tada (u augustu) bio 27%
Sada može biti samo veći.
Across the city, more than 27 percent of those tested had positive antibody results. The borough with the highest rate was the Bronx, at 33 percent. Manhattan had the lowest rate, at 19 percent.
I to je dobar indikator za kolektivni imunitet, za razliku od pojedinaca koji priželjkuju da eventualna vakcina, ako se ikada otkrije efikasna, bude mandatorna za sve. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ne brini se. Nece biti mandatorna, nema razloga.
We'll take one for the team. :wink:
Ma ne brinem se, zar neko zaista vjeruje u glupost da će vakcina protiv COVID-19 biti mandatorna.
Ja svoji dozu poklanjam tebi, pa možeš 2 puta da se cijepiš. :thumbup: :kiss:
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Post by Mogy87 » 25/10/2020 12:42

Izvinjavam se @laik1981 i @Ci-Nick ako sam imputirala da mislite nesto sto nije tako.

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Post by Naslovnica » 25/10/2020 12:43

Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:32
Naslovnica wrote:
25/10/2020 12:28
Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:07


Mozda zato sto je virus napao siromasne, napucene kvartove? A bogatuni su se zakljucali na vrijeme. I to je tebi ok?
Inace hvaliti drzavu sa drugom najvisom smrtniscu u USA je :roll:

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Evo drzave u USA koja je imala najveci uspjeh, ako te vec zanima. Ali tako je kad se slusa stuka:

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The odds could have been stacked against the state. The virus arrived in Vermont during the first wave sweeping the country. It shares borders with some of the hardest-hit states and has the third-oldest population in the country.

But Vermont swiftly flattened its initial wave and has since gone weeks at a time without any new confirmed deaths. Fewer than 60 people have died, giving the state the second-fewest deaths per capita behind Alaska, which has seen surging caseloads in recent weeks. If the country as a whole had the same per capita death rate as Vermont, the nationwide death toll would be 30,000 instead of more than 215,000.

"This should be the model for the country, how you've done it," Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said during a briefing with state leaders in September. "Notwithstanding that this is a small state, it should be the model of how you get to such a low test positivity that you can actually start opening up the economy in a safe and prudent way."

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/ ... ssion=true
Čovjek govori da u NY izgleda nema drugog talasa, a ti o Vermontu i nečemu sasvim drugom.
Negdje sam pročitao da je, pored toga što se pridržavaju mjera, osnovni razlog trenutno niske stope zaraženih u NY - kolektivni imunitet. :wink:
Uh, sada sam dirnuo u osinje gnijezno!
Šalu na stranu, opet ponavljam, a može se pronaći i na netu, neki dijelovi imaju stopu prisutnosti antitijela preko 50%.
Bilo bi lijepo da je ovo tačno, ali sam siguran da demantij stiže u roku od 5 minuta. :thumbup:
Po cijenu 33K zivota druge najvise stope smrtnostu u USA..pazi sad ...u siromasnim cetvrtima.
Bogatuni nit su se zarazili nit su umirali nit imaju "kolektivni imunitet"
To je za sirotinju. O tome pricam.


In one ZIP code in Queens, more than 50 percent of people who had gotten tested were found to have antibodies, a strikingly high rate. But no ZIP code south of 96th Street in Manhattan had a positive rate of more than 20 percent.

Da, i?
Nije poenta ko ima ili nema kolektivni imunitet, nego je poenta da izgleda da djeluje. :thumbup:
Bogatuni nemaju kolektivni imunitet, možda im na kraju neće ni trebati jer će virus nestati u populaciji.
Ni prvi ni zadnji koji je tako skončao karijeru.

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Post by Naslovnica » 25/10/2020 12:44

Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:42
Naslovnica wrote:
25/10/2020 12:38
Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:36


Ne brini se. Nece biti mandatorna, nema razloga.
We'll take one for the team. :wink:
Ma ne brinem se, zar neko zaista vjeruje u glupost da će vakcina protiv COVID-19 biti mandatorna.
Ja svoji dozu poklanjam tebi, pa možeš 2 puta da se cijepiš. :thumbup: :kiss:
Divan si :thumbup:
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Post by Mogy87 » 25/10/2020 12:47

Naslovnica wrote:
25/10/2020 12:43
Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:32
Naslovnica wrote:
25/10/2020 12:28

Čovjek govori da u NY izgleda nema drugog talasa, a ti o Vermontu i nečemu sasvim drugom.
Negdje sam pročitao da je, pored toga što se pridržavaju mjera, osnovni razlog trenutno niske stope zaraženih u NY - kolektivni imunitet. :wink:
Uh, sada sam dirnuo u osinje gnijezno!
Šalu na stranu, opet ponavljam, a može se pronaći i na netu, neki dijelovi imaju stopu prisutnosti antitijela preko 50%.
Bilo bi lijepo da je ovo tačno, ali sam siguran da demantij stiže u roku od 5 minuta. :thumbup:
Po cijenu 33K zivota druge najvise stope smrtnostu u USA..pazi sad ...u siromasnim cetvrtima.
Bogatuni nit su se zarazili nit su umirali nit imaju "kolektivni imunitet"
To je za sirotinju. O tome pricam.


In one ZIP code in Queens, more than 50 percent of people who had gotten tested were found to have antibodies, a strikingly high rate. But no ZIP code south of 96th Street in Manhattan had a positive rate of more than 20 percent.

Da, i?
Nije poenta ko ima ili nema kolektivni imunitet, nego je poenta da izgleda da djeluje. :thumbup:
Bogatuni nemaju kolektivni imunitet, možda im na kraju neće ni trebati jer će virus nestati u populaciji.
Ni prvi ni zadnji koji je tako skončao karijeru.
Kazem ti da je, kao i sve, islo preko ledja sirotinje. Da taj "kolektivni imunitet" koji zaista prekida lanac zaraze su platili siromasni svojim zivotima.
A bogatuni su znali da je virus opasani i izmakli se. Meni to nije posteno, valjda sam idealista....

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Post by Mogy87 » 25/10/2020 12:48

_BataZiv_0809 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:40
Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:35
_BataZiv_0809 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:29
Pitaj ga prvo je li to mislio.
U pravu si. I ja mrzim kad mi drugi imputiraju stvari koje nisam rekla.
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Da sampanjac otvorimo kad bude sigurna i efikasna :D

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Post by _BataZiv_0809 » 25/10/2020 12:57

Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:48
_BataZiv_0809 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:40
Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:35

U pravu si. I ja mrzim kad mi drugi imputiraju stvari koje nisam rekla.
:kiss:

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Da sampanjac otvorimo kad bude sigurna i efikasna :D
Mozemo proslaviti zajedno :kiss:

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Post by GAU8 » 25/10/2020 13:01

2. Talas u NY vjerojatno tek dolazi.

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Post by Ci-Nick » 25/10/2020 13:03

Mogy87 wrote:
25/10/2020 12:42
Izvinjavam se @laik1981 i @Ci-Nick ako sam imputirala da mislite nesto sto nije tako.
Ma sve je OK.
Svi mi nagađamo, iznosimo mišljenje koje je uglavnom utemeljeno na željama ili strahovima.
A ni experti se ne snalaze najbolje pa nam ostavljaju dosta prostora za nagađanje.
Bitno je da se ne vrijeđamo a za razliku od nekih drugih tema zasad nam ide dobro.

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Post by banjaluka078 » 25/10/2020 15:51

Cohort study to evaluate effect of vitamin D, magnesium, and vitamin B12 in combination on severe outcome progression in older patients with coronavirus (COVID-19)

Abstract

Objectives

The aim of this study was to determine clinical outcomes of older patients with coronavirus (COVID-19) who received a combination of vitamin D, magnesium, and vitamin B12 (DMB) compared with those who did not. We hypothesized that fewer patients administered this combination would require oxygen therapy, intensive care support, or a combination of both than those who did not.
Methods

This was a cohort observational study of all consecutive hospitalized patients ≥50 y of age with COVID-19 in a tertiary academic hospital. Before April 6, 2020, no patients received the (DMB) combination. After this date, patients were administered 1000 IU/d oral vitamin D3, 150 mg/d oral magnesium, and 500 mcg/d oral vitamin B12 upon admission if they did not require oxygen therapy. Primary outcome was deterioration leading to any form of oxygen therapy, intensive care support, or both.
Results

Between January 15 and April 15, 2020, we identified 43 consecutive patients ≥50 y of age with COVID-19. Seventeen patients received DMB before onset of primary outcome and 26 patients did not. Baseline demographic characteristics between the two groups were significantly different by age. In univariate analysis, age and hypertension had a significant influence on outcome. After adjusting for age or hypertension separately in a multivariate analysis, the intervention group retained protective significance. Fewer treated patients than controls required initiation of oxygen therapy during hospitalization (17.6 vs 61.5%, P = 0.006). DMB exposure was associated with odds ratios of 0.13 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.03–0.59) and 0.20 (95% CI, 0.04–0.93) for oxygen therapy, intensive care support, or both on univariate and multivariate analyses, respectively.
Conclusions

A vitamin D / magnesium / vitamin B12 combination in older COVID-19 patients was associated with a significant reduction in the proportion of patients with clinical deterioration requiring oxygen support, intensive care support, or both. This study supports further larger randomized controlled trials to ascertain the full benefit of this combination in ameliorating the severity of COVID-19.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0720303002

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Post by BlackRiver » 25/10/2020 16:15

banjaluka078 wrote:
25/10/2020 15:51
Cohort study to evaluate effect of vitamin D, magnesium, and vitamin B12 in combination on severe outcome progression in older patients with coronavirus (COVID-19)

Abstract

Objectives

The aim of this study was to determine clinical outcomes of older patients with coronavirus (COVID-19) who received a combination of vitamin D, magnesium, and vitamin B12 (DMB) compared with those who did not. We hypothesized that fewer patients administered this combination would require oxygen therapy, intensive care support, or a combination of both than those who did not.
Methods

This was a cohort observational study of all consecutive hospitalized patients ≥50 y of age with COVID-19 in a tertiary academic hospital. Before April 6, 2020, no patients received the (DMB) combination. After this date, patients were administered 1000 IU/d oral vitamin D3, 150 mg/d oral magnesium, and 500 mcg/d oral vitamin B12 upon admission if they did not require oxygen therapy. Primary outcome was deterioration leading to any form of oxygen therapy, intensive care support, or both.
Results

Between January 15 and April 15, 2020, we identified 43 consecutive patients ≥50 y of age with COVID-19. Seventeen patients received DMB before onset of primary outcome and 26 patients did not. Baseline demographic characteristics between the two groups were significantly different by age. In univariate analysis, age and hypertension had a significant influence on outcome. After adjusting for age or hypertension separately in a multivariate analysis, the intervention group retained protective significance. Fewer treated patients than controls required initiation of oxygen therapy during hospitalization (17.6 vs 61.5%, P = 0.006). DMB exposure was associated with odds ratios of 0.13 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.03–0.59) and 0.20 (95% CI, 0.04–0.93) for oxygen therapy, intensive care support, or both on univariate and multivariate analyses, respectively.
Conclusions

A vitamin D / magnesium / vitamin B12 combination in older COVID-19 patients was associated with a significant reduction in the proportion of patients with clinical deterioration requiring oxygen support, intensive care support, or both. This study supports further larger randomized controlled trials to ascertain the full benefit of this combination in ameliorating the severity of COVID-19.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0720303002
Dzaba ti to prenosis buraz, nasim doktorima kad odes dobijes terapiju pileca supa, aspirin i vitamin C. Tek kad si na samrti, puknu te na ventilator da ti malo ubrzaju propadanje i hajd zdravo.
Ovo za vitamin D3 se potenciralo od pocetka pandemije, tek sada izlaze neka ozbiljnija istrazivanja. Mene ne iznenadjuje jer je odavno poznato da normalne kolicine vitamina D3 u tijelu pomazu tijelu da kreira balansiran imunoloski odgovor. Druga je prica sto velika kolicina populacije u Evropi ima kronicni nedostatak ovoga vitamina.

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Post by laik1981 » 25/10/2020 16:24

Vecina nas ima nedostatak vitamina D.. Moderni nacin zivota je kumovao tome.. Vecinom radno vrijeme provodimo u zatvorenim prostorima, izlasci nam se uglavnom svode na zatvorene prostore.. Mnogi su i za proljetno zatvaranje starijih i djece navodili da ce im oslabiti imunitet i uticati na gubitak vitamina d. Ja svima preporucujem da uzimaju vitamin d3. Za 30-40KM se moze uzeti pakovanje od 120 kapsula od 5000iu sa postepenim otpustanjem tako da ih ne morate uzimati svaki dan vec svaka 3-4..

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Post by BlackRiver » 25/10/2020 16:43

Da se nadovezem, kada je moj doktor meni preporucio povecanje nivoa vitamina D3, ujedno mi je i propisao i K2. Nisam strucan da znam tacnu poveznicu izmedju njih, ali je definitivni pomoglo.

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Post by splinter » 25/10/2020 17:01

BlackRiver wrote:
25/10/2020 16:43
Da se nadovezem, kada je moj doktor meni preporucio povecanje nivoa vitamina D3, ujedno mi je i propisao i K2. Nisam strucan da znam tacnu poveznicu izmedju njih, ali je definitivni pomoglo.
Kao prevenciju tromboza i mogućih komplikacija u kardiovaskularnom sistemu. Ima i drugih uloga još.
Neki uz ovu kombinaciju uključuju i magnezijum.

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Post by BlackRiver » 25/10/2020 17:05

splinter wrote:
25/10/2020 17:01
BlackRiver wrote:
25/10/2020 16:43
Da se nadovezem, kada je moj doktor meni preporucio povecanje nivoa vitamina D3, ujedno mi je i propisao i K2. Nisam strucan da znam tacnu poveznicu izmedju njih, ali je definitivni pomoglo.
Kao prevenciju tromboza i mogućih komplikacija u kardiovaskularnom sistemu. Ima i drugih uloga još.
Neki uz ovu kombinaciju uključuju i magnezijum.
Hvala na pojasnjenju. Jedna stvar mi ipak nije jasna. Kako je meni objasnjeno, potrebno je prilicno vremena da se nivo vitamina D3 poveca u tijelu. Zasto se onda propisuje tek nakon sto se potvrdi zaraza? Prema onome sto je meni receno i prema vlastitom iskustvu, potrebi su mjeseci suplementacije. Nece se nista promijeniti za 10 dana nekome ko je vec pogodjen ovim virusom.

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Post by laik1981 » 25/10/2020 17:11

Treba ga poceti uzimati cim prodje ljeto i koristiti do proljeca.. Pogotovo je to bitno za manju djecu.. Prevencija je to za mnoge zezancije..

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Post by GAU8 » 25/10/2020 17:15

laik1981 wrote:
25/10/2020 17:11
Treba ga poceti uzimati cim prodje ljeto i koristiti do proljeca.. Pogotovo je to bitno za manju djecu.. Prevencija je to za mnoge zezancije..
Ima ono pravilo, u svim mjesecima sa slovom R bi trebalo dodavanje d vitamina..

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Post by lissaly_manny » 25/10/2020 17:23

satrlo mi dijete zenu mater mene u 24 sata sve zajedno....

kupio 3 paketa tilola, zdrmo paracetamole i antibiotike u kombu sa cepicima....

dijete presjeklo nakon 24 sata - eno igra se..... nama je trebalo oko 4 dana da dodjemo sebi..... jesam se otrovo al zato funkcionisem kako god..... cepic paracetamola, tilol i antibiotik sve zajedno ujutro i navece u toku dana zdrmam jos 1-2 tilola - evo izgledam ko nov......

tegoba 115 kila kad obori guba..... dal je kurona il ne - .mozda nikad necu saznat.....

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Post by splinter » 25/10/2020 17:35

Vitamin D u slučaju normalne prehrane i izlaganja suncu dnevno bar 15 minuta može da zadovolji bazalne potrebe. Kao i ostali liposolubilni vitamini ( A,E,K ) njegov metabolizam je drugačiji nego kod hidroslubilnih vitamina (C, B kompleks).
Da bi došli u aktivni oblik potrebne su im dodatne tvari ( emulgatori).
S druge strane hidroslubilni vitamini su već pri oralnom unošenju u aktivnom obliku i dospijevaju u krv.
Ipak prednost liposolubilnih vitamina je jer mogu praviti depoe u tijelu pa ih organizam može crpiti usljed povećane potrebe. Zato nema potrebe krhati prevelike doze D vitamina pogotovu u ovom periodu dok još ima koliko toliko sunca. Vitamin se sintetizira u koži svaki se unosi suplementima onda u bubrezima ovisno o potreba organizma. I vitamin D je zapravo hormon nije klasični vitamin.

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Post by banjaluka078 » 25/10/2020 17:39

@splinter , koliko je opravdana upotreba visokih doza D vitamina 'nako?
Često ovih dana čitam kojekakve stručnjake koji preporučuju uzimanje najmanje 5000, čak i 10000 jedinica dnevno, a znam da je meni rečeno kad sam ga počela uzimati terapijski (imala sam D vitamin u tragovima, ako i toliko) u dozi od 3000 jedinica, da ne smijem pretjerivati, jer mogu izazvati probleme s bubrezima.


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Post by splinter » 25/10/2020 17:45

banjaluka078 wrote:
25/10/2020 17:39
@splinter , koliko je opravdana upotreba visokih doza D vitamina 'nako?
Često ovih dana čitam kojekakve stručnjake koji preporučuju uzimanje najmanje 5000, čak i 10000 jedinica dnevno, a znam da je meni rečeno kad sam ga počela uzimati terapijski (imala sam D vitamin u tragovima, ako i toliko) u dozi od 3000 jedinica, da ne smijem pretjerivati, jer mogu izazvati probleme s bubrezima.
Prekomjeran unos izaziva čitav niz nus pojava. Držati se preporučenih doza, malo ih "pojačati" i to je to

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Post by banjaluka078 » 25/10/2020 18:02

splinter wrote:
25/10/2020 17:45

Prekomjeran unos izaziva čitav niz nus pojava. Držati se preporučenih doza, malo ih "pojačati" i to je to
Hvala, tako sam i mislila. Ovih dana se svako "gađa" preporukama i ne razumije da može nanijeti štetu.

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Post by Trappist » 25/10/2020 18:04

Polako drzave u Europi uvode restriktivne represivne kineske metode kako bi "pobijedili" virus. Do kada sada planiraju? Brojke zarazenih su duplo i troduplo gore nego na proljece, ako je onda trajalo 2 mjeseca, sad ce onda trajati 4 ili 6 mjeseci? Sretno s tim :roll:

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