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Post by insaneinthebrain » 14/08/2020 10:04

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[
b]Coronavirus Cases:
21,082,038


Deaths:
757,633

Recovered:
13,933,175[/b]


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Post by daddy-kool » 14/08/2020 16:47

CDC director Robert Redfield warned in a WebMD interview on Wednesday that America is bracing for “the worst fall, from a public health perspective, we’ve ever had.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-d ... =home-page

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Post by armin071 » 14/08/2020 18:14

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Slika Waltera Molina naslikana 1962. Nosi naziv “život u 2022 godini”.

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Post by Mogy87 » 14/08/2020 18:24

Srecom Gejc kaze da bi se sve trebalo zavrsiti do kraja 2021.

How confident are you we’ll have a working vaccine that can be widely distributed by the end of 2020?
Well, the initial vaccine won’t be ideal in terms of its effectiveness against sickness and transmission. It may not have a long duration, and it will mainly be used in rich countries as a stopgap measure.

We’d be lucky to have much before the end of the year. But then, in 2021, a number of other vaccines are very likely to get approved. The strongest response will probably come from the protein subunit. With so many companies working on it, we can afford quite a few failures and still have something with low cost and long duration.

How do you think this all ends?
The innovations in therapeutics will start to cut the death rate, but the true end will come from the spread of natural infections and the vaccine giving us herd immunity. For rich countries, that will be sometime next year, ideally in the first half. We’ll get out of this by the end of 2021.

So we’re going to be OK?
Certainly. We’re lucky this one wasn’t a more fatal disease.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020 ... rGLNYUl8Qw

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Post by Point. » 14/08/2020 18:54

Gdje kraj 2021 godine.

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Post by Mogy87 » 14/08/2020 19:05

Ima li Sveda?

Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy

Sweden's GDP fell more than its Nordic neighbours in the second quarter of 2020, dealing another blow to its lockdown-free coronavirus strategy.

Sweden's official statistics agency said that Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% in Q2.

In comparison, Finland's statistics body said that its Q2 GDP was down 3.2%, and Denmark's said GDP there was down 7.4%.

Norway's GDP also appears to have fallen less than Sweden's, though its measurements are out of sync with other nations. Its GDP fell 7.1% from March to May, a timeframe one month earlier.


Finland, Norway, and Denmark implemented lockdowns more in line with other nations, severely restricting the movement of people while closing schools and businesses.

Experts say that the outcome of Sweden's strategy is best compared to these countries, given their similar demographics, culture, and political systems.

Earlier in the year, some commentators and protest groups in the US suggested that Sweden's example should be followed to protect jobs and the economy.

However, authorities in Sweden have said consistently that this was not their rationale.

Sweden has now seen 5,776 deaths among its population of just over 10 million.

Its death rate was once one of the world's highest, and is now still significantly higher than its neighbours: more than five times Denmark's, more than 11 times Norway's, and around 10 times Finland's.

Those three countries have now, like the rest of Europe, eased some restrictions, while Sweden has kept its same rules in place. The effect that is in many respects Sweden's rules are now stricter than those of other nations.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ors-2020-8


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Post by daddy-kool » 14/08/2020 19:21

Mogy87 wrote:
14/08/2020 19:05

Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy

Kao što sam ranije pisao, frizirali su podatke za Q1 ove godine kako bi sve izgledalo bolje (i opravdalo njihove mjere), a Q2 već pokazuje pravo ekonomsko stanje.

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Post by Point. » 15/08/2020 00:00

Ništa nisu frizirali, švedi su trenutno na 2 do 4 mrtva po danu, mnogo manje nego neke zemlje koje su uvodile i uvode lockdown. Nije Švedska Bjelorusija da frizira ovako bitne podatke. Samo otpušteno.

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Post by omar little » 15/08/2020 00:51

kakvi mrtvi? prica se o ekonomskim podacima.

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Post by Thorgerson » 15/08/2020 01:32

Pa treba malo pogledati i mrtve.

Imaju 10 mil stanovnika i 5700 mrtvih. Pa evo s nama da uporedimo to je haoticno stanje.

Mi imamo 3 puta manje stanovnika, a 11 puta manje smrtnih slucajeva.

Da, veliko bravo za svedski sistem. Pa sta bi jos da im je nase zdravstvo, pola bi ih pomrlo.

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Post by GAU8 » 15/08/2020 08:25

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Mnogi su tražili poređenja statistika umrlih (od svih uzroka) ove godine u odnosu na prethodne godine.

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Post by splinter » 15/08/2020 10:56

https://www.klix.ba/lifestyle/zdravlje/ ... /200815011
Otprilike to je to. Bilo je dosta i ovdje riječi o ovome.
Mislim da je ovo neki hajde da kažem sigurni imunitet koji treba da pokrije najveći broj ljudi koji su prebolili s tim da će se vjerovatno kod nekih osoba razviti i dugotrajniji imunitet zasnovan na drugim mehanizmima ali to će već ovisiti od osobe do osobe.
Oni što je dobro što će ljudi sa imunitetom moći normalno obavljati svoje aktivnosti bez posebne zaštite i rizika i time se stvara potrebna kritična masa ljudi koji nisu bar privremeno toliko na udaru, što će rasteretiti i zdr sisteme i privredu.

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Post by He1972 » 15/08/2020 11:22

Point. wrote:
15/08/2020 00:00
Ništa nisu frizirali, švedi su trenutno na 2 do 4 mrtva po danu, mnogo manje nego neke zemlje koje su uvodile i uvode lockdown. Nije Švedska Bjelorusija da frizira ovako bitne podatke. Samo otpušteno.
svaka ekonomija pa i švedska ne živi sama od sebe, sve države sa kojima posluju stradale su od covida iako nisu koristile švedski model, naravno tada trpi i švedska ekonomija, a delegati se slomiše dokazujući da je to radi ne-mjera u švedskoj, jao kako su providni ovi paničari i apokaliptičari tj. padavičari :thumbup:

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Post by Mogy87 » 15/08/2020 11:29

He1972 wrote:
15/08/2020 11:22
Point. wrote:
15/08/2020 00:00
Ništa nisu frizirali, švedi su trenutno na 2 do 4 mrtva po danu, mnogo manje nego neke zemlje koje su uvodile i uvode lockdown. Nije Švedska Bjelorusija da frizira ovako bitne podatke. Samo otpušteno.
svaka ekonomija pa i švedska ne živi sama od sebe, sve države sa kojima posluju stradale su od covida iako nisu koristile švedski model, naravno tada trpi i švedska ekonomija, a delegati se slomiše dokazujući da je to radi ne-mjera u švedskoj, jao kako su providni ovi paničari i apokaliptičari tj. padavičari :thumbup:
Kako komentarises da su SVE druge Skandinavske zemlje prosle bolje nego Svedska sto se tice ekonomskih pokazatelja? Finska vise nego duplo bolje? One nisu otvorene ekonomije? Ne posluju u istom globalnom svijetu?

Sweden's official statistics agency said that Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% in Q2.

In comparison, Finland's statistics body said that its Q2 GDP was down 3.2%, and Denmark's said GDP there was down 7.4%.

Norway's GDP also appears to have fallen less than Sweden's, though its measurements are out of sync with other nations. Its GDP fell 7.1% from March to May, a timeframe one month earlier

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Post by GAU8 » 15/08/2020 11:38

Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike pokrene diskusije o promašajima skandinavskih društava...

Valjda je lakše podnijeti vlastitu bijedu kada se okrene pogled na drugu stranu

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Post by Mogy87 » 15/08/2020 11:57

Potpuno je legitimno postaviti clanak koji komparira ekonomske pokazatelje Skandinavskih zemalja postavljajuci pitanje da li je zaista bila ispravna strategija “ocuvanja ekonomije” kako je sluzbeno predstavljena naustrb ljudskih zivota.
Jer ekonomiju, sad je to evidentno, nije sacuvala.
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Post by zubi » 15/08/2020 11:59

GAU8 wrote:
15/08/2020 11:38
Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike pokrene diskusije o promašajima skandinavskih društava...

Valjda je lakše podnijeti vlastitu bijedu kada se okrene pogled na drugu stranu
Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike grcevito brani zdravstvenu strategiju tudje zemlje ko da mu je najrodjenija...

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Post by Mogy87 » 15/08/2020 12:01

zubi wrote:
15/08/2020 11:59
GAU8 wrote:
15/08/2020 11:38
Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike pokrene diskusije o promašajima skandinavskih društava...

Valjda je lakše podnijeti vlastitu bijedu kada se okrene pogled na drugu stranu
Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike grcevito brani zdravstvenu strategiju tudje zemlje ko da mu je najrodjenija...
Za koju je sam idejni tvorac rekao da, da moze sve ponovo, bi radio drugacije. Znaci brane je grcevitije nego covjek koji je osmislio strategiju.

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Post by Point. » 15/08/2020 12:47

Mogy87 wrote:
15/08/2020 12:01
zubi wrote:
15/08/2020 11:59
GAU8 wrote:
15/08/2020 11:38
Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike pokrene diskusije o promašajima skandinavskih društava...

Valjda je lakše podnijeti vlastitu bijedu kada se okrene pogled na drugu stranu
Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike grcevito brani zdravstvenu strategiju tudje zemlje ko da mu je najrodjenija...
Za koju je sam idejni tvorac rekao da, da moze sve ponovo, bi radio drugacije. Znaci brane je grcevitije nego covjek koji je osmislio strategiju.
O kome pričaš?

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Post by Mogy87 » 15/08/2020 12:55

Point. wrote:
15/08/2020 12:47
Mogy87 wrote:
15/08/2020 12:01
zubi wrote:
15/08/2020 11:59

Nema ništa luđe nego kada Bosanac, vrsni poznavalac svjetske ekonomije i politike grcevito brani zdravstvenu strategiju tudje zemlje ko da mu je najrodjenija...
Za koju je sam idejni tvorac rekao da, da moze sve ponovo, bi radio drugacije. Znaci brane je grcevitije nego covjek koji je osmislio strategiju.
O kome pričaš?
O Tegnellu:

"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Tegnell, one of the most well-known faces behind the Public Health Agency's strategy, told radio show Ekot on Wednesday morning.

Tegnell and his colleagues at the Public Health Agency have consistently argued that their strategy – introducing measures step by step and informing people to convince them to follow the advice voluntarily – may be more sustainable in the long run than a full lockdown. But Tegnell said too many had lost their life.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200603/tegnel ... Qr6oP9ty8g

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Post by konektovan » 15/08/2020 14:07

Prije oar dana, bio je clanak kako je Svedska imala najmanji pad u ekonomiji od svih drzava u Eu,....sad odjednom, Svecka najgora..... :-)

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Post by Mogy87 » 15/08/2020 14:10

konektovan wrote:
15/08/2020 14:07
Prije oar dana, bio je clanak kako je Svedska imala najmanji pad u ekonomiji od svih drzava u Eu,....sad odjednom, Svecka najgora..... :-)
Sad se mjeri s drugim Skandinavskim zemljama sto je jedino ispravno zbog razlika u mentalitetu, nacinu zivota i samim tim ponasanju. Neces porediti Svede s Talijanima i Spancima. Nema smisla.

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Post by He1972 » 15/08/2020 14:18

Mogy87 wrote:
15/08/2020 12:55
Point. wrote:
15/08/2020 12:47
Mogy87 wrote:
15/08/2020 12:01


Za koju je sam idejni tvorac rekao da, da moze sve ponovo, bi radio drugacije. Znaci brane je grcevitije nego covjek koji je osmislio strategiju.
O kome pričaš?
O Tegnellu:

"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Tegnell, one of the most well-known faces behind the Public Health Agency's strategy, told radio show Ekot on Wednesday morning.

Tegnell and his colleagues at the Public Health Agency have consistently argued that their strategy – introducing measures step by step and informing people to convince them to follow the advice voluntarily – may be more sustainable in the long run than a full lockdown. But Tegnell said too many had lost their life.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200603/tegnel ... Qr6oP9ty8g
e pa ne zna drug tegnell za onu poslije hebanya, nema kajanja :mrgreen:

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Post by He1972 » 15/08/2020 14:19

Mogy87 wrote:
15/08/2020 11:29
He1972 wrote:
15/08/2020 11:22
Point. wrote:
15/08/2020 00:00
Ništa nisu frizirali, švedi su trenutno na 2 do 4 mrtva po danu, mnogo manje nego neke zemlje koje su uvodile i uvode lockdown. Nije Švedska Bjelorusija da frizira ovako bitne podatke. Samo otpušteno.
svaka ekonomija pa i švedska ne živi sama od sebe, sve države sa kojima posluju stradale su od covida iako nisu koristile švedski model, naravno tada trpi i švedska ekonomija, a delegati se slomiše dokazujući da je to radi ne-mjera u švedskoj, jao kako su providni ovi paničari i apokaliptičari tj. padavičari :thumbup:
Kako komentarises da su SVE druge Skandinavske zemlje prosle bolje nego Svedska sto se tice ekonomskih pokazatelja? Finska vise nego duplo bolje? One nisu otvorene ekonomije? Ne posluju u istom globalnom svijetu?

Sweden's official statistics agency said that Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% in Q2.

In comparison, Finland's statistics body said that its Q2 GDP was down 3.2%, and Denmark's said GDP there was down 7.4%.

Norway's GDP also appears to have fallen less than Sweden's, though its measurements are out of sync with other nations. Its GDP fell 7.1% from March to May, a timeframe one month earlier

Nikako, rekoh svoje.

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