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#3176 Re: Evolucija

Post by chengaba » 18/03/2011 19:33

NIN wrote:
Research overturns oldest evidence of life on Earth
March 16, 2011 By Brendan M. Lynch

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Photomicrograph of clast in rock showing features under discussion (arrows point to some of these) Credit: Julienne Emry

(PhysOrg.com) -- It appears that the supposed oldest examples of life on our planet -- 3.5 billion-year-old bacteria fossils found in Australian rock called Apex Chert -- are nothing more than tiny gaps in the rock that are packed with minerals.
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-ove ... earth.html
Auuuu, pa ovo je k'o suza čist dokaz da evolucija ne postoji i da život nije nikad ni nastao! :angry:


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#3177 Re: Evolucija

Post by Jazz_Junkie » 18/03/2011 22:38

chengaba wrote:
NIN wrote:
Research overturns oldest evidence of life on Earth
March 16, 2011 By Brendan M. Lynch

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Photomicrograph of clast in rock showing features under discussion (arrows point to some of these) Credit: Julienne Emry

(PhysOrg.com) -- It appears that the supposed oldest examples of life on our planet -- 3.5 billion-year-old bacteria fossils found in Australian rock called Apex Chert -- are nothing more than tiny gaps in the rock that are packed with minerals.
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-ove ... earth.html
Auuuu, pa ovo je k'o suza čist dokaz da evolucija ne postoji i da život nije nikad ni nastao! :angry:
:lol:

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#3178 Re: Evolucija

Post by crnokosa88 » 20/03/2011 02:56

Ako nemozes osporiti autorovu poruku, probaj osporiti autora, poznati je moto evolucionista-Darvinista. Pomenula sam "hockey stick" prevaru samo da podsjetim kako je moguce lako uvesti u prevaru desetine hiljada naucnika (Corbyn je samo jedan od prvih koji je objelodanio ovu prevaru, naravno da mi nije bila namjera da diskutujem o njemu ili promjeni klime, kako su to neki ovde mislili).
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Anthony Flum bio je strastveni ateist i jos vaterniji zagovornik evolucije. Evolucionisti-Darvinisti su ga glorifikovali u nebesa. Medjutim, slucajno je procitao knjigu nuklearnog fizicara Geralda Schroedera, The Hidden Face of God....i postao vjernik! Mediji u sluzbi evolucionista odma su ga napali sa svih strana, opisavsi ga senilnim starcem :lol: No, o tome mozete procitati ovdje http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48961636.html
.....
Jos dva teksta koja preporucujem su http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/64069232.html i http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

dr. Gerald Schroeder
B.Sc. Chemical engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.)
M.Sc. Earth and planetary sciences, M.I.T.
PhD Earth Sciences and Physics, M.I.T.
www.geraldschroeder.com
.....
"Scientific discoveries and the fossil record have proven Darwin's Theory of the Gradual Evolution of Life?
The exact opposite is the case. As Niles Eldredge, curator at the American Museum of Natural History, NYC, wrote in the New York Times, "The fossil record that we were told to find for the past 150 years (since Charles Darwin ) does not exist." Darwin insisted that "natura non facit saltum," that nature does not make jumps. In fact, the flow of life as recorded in the fossil record has many jumps in complexity. The great trade secret of paleontology is that the fossil record does not confirm Darwin. Never did I expect to read in the esteemed, peer reviewed journal, Science, the following: "Did Darwin get it all right?" And the sub-title was no, species appear with a most un-Darwinian rapidity. The problems of evolution begin with the origin of life (Richard Dawkins attributes the origin of life to "luck.") and continue through the fossil record. Most precisely, the oldest rocks that can bear fossils already have fossils of microbes, some undergoing cell division. Nature "invented" DNA, RNA, cell structure, cell function with startling rapidity
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#3179 Re: Evolucija

Post by Bušman » 20/03/2011 12:43

crnokosa88 wrote:Ako nemozes osporiti autorovu poruku, probaj osporiti autora
Ok, idemo sa datim primjerom.
crnokosa88 wrote:"Scientific discoveries and the fossil record have proven Darwin's Theory of the Gradual Evolution of Life?
The exact opposite is the case. As Niles Eldredge, curator at the American Museum of Natural History, NYC, wrote in the New York Times, "The fossil record that we were told to find for the past 150 years (since Charles Darwin ) does not exist." Darwin insisted that "natura non facit saltum," that nature does not make jumps. In fact, the flow of life as recorded in the fossil record has many jumps in complexity. The great trade secret of paleontology is that the fossil record does not confirm Darwin. Never did I expect to read in the esteemed, peer reviewed journal, Science, the following: "Did Darwin get it all right?" And the sub-title was no, species appear with a most un-Darwinian rapidity. The problems of evolution begin with the origin of life (Richard Dawkins attributes the origin of life to "luck.") and continue through the fossil record. Most precisely, the oldest rocks that can bear fossils already have fossils of microbes, some undergoing cell division. Nature "invented" DNA, RNA, cell structure, cell function with startling rapidity
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Sve sto je do sada otkriveno u prirodi, jeste dokaz da priroda ne pravi skokove. Uzmi sve prirodne nauke i sve moguce teorije i dokaze koji te teorije potvrdjuju i doci ces do istog zakljucka.

Kao sto rekoh - skokovi ne postoje. Prirodni procesi su dinamicki procesi i u njima nema skokova u kojima stanje u nekom trenutku vremena ne zavisi od prethodnog stanja. Takodjer, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Ono sto ti uporno izbacujes je famozni "argument from ignorance" sto je cesto koristena praksa kod advokata u sudnicama. To isto radi i autor ovog gore napisanog.

Takav naslov ce se naci u Science magazinu kada bude naucni rad, ne spekulacija, kada bude pratio naucnu metodologiju itd. Ima puno dobrih radova koji dodju u Science i ne prodju recenziju, jer nisu dovoljno dobri. A radovi iz oblasti ID-a nisu uopce dobri i najcesce padaju na svemu sto dobar rad treba imati. Logican korak za naucnika ciji je rad odbijen i receno mu koje su greske je da te greske popravi i ponovo posalje rad u zurnal ili na konferenciju. Koliko je ID naucnika to uradilo? 0 (nula). Zasto? Pa ljepse im je plakati po novinama i televizijama kako oni nemaju jednaka prava, jer oni imaju kao drugacije stavove i zvanicna nauka ih odbija. I traze jos neka demokratska prava od drustva koje uopce nije demokratsko.

Dawkins? Kakve veze Dawkins ima sa abiogenezom? Nema ni jedan rad objavljen u toj oblasti. To sto se bavi spekulacijama nek se i dalje bavi, niko mu ne brani. Ali to nije zvanican naucni stav. Nije Dawkins predstavnik naucnika niti evolucionista.

Startling rapiditly? Gdje je dokaz kada je stvorena prva DNK? RNK? Da li je stvorena na Zemlji ili je dosla iz Svemira? To jos niko ziv ne zna i trenutno je predmet spekulacije. Ono sto znamo jeste kada je nastao zivot na Zemlji (otprilike) i u kakvim uslovima. Ako uzimamo taj vremenski trenutak za pocetak poznatog zivota, a za pocetak vremena Veliki prasak priroda je "izumljavala" DNK, RNK, celije itd. punih 10 milijardi godina. Startling rapidity!
crnokosa88 wrote: Anthony Flum bio je strastveni ateist i jos vaterniji zagovornik evolucije. Evolucionisti-Darvinisti su ga glorifikovali u nebesa. Medjutim, slucajno je procitao knjigu nuklearnog fizicara Geralda Schroedera, The Hidden Face of God....i postao vjernik! Mediji u sluzbi evolucionista odma su ga napali sa svih strana, opisavsi ga senilnim starcem :lol: No, o tome mozete procitati ovdje http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48961636.html
Mala ispravka, covjek se zove Antony Flew (Entoni Flu, fonetski). Iskreno, nema mi nista draze kada filozofi pocnu da "filozofiraju" o nauci. Bude tu i dobrih stvari (Hegel, Kant i sl.), ali vala ima i losih. Flew bi se mogao svrstati u ove losije. Prvo, poznat je po svom radu... veoma malo. Najpoznatiji je bio po stalnom mijenjaju stavova, izuzetno agresivnom nastupu i napadima na ljude drugacijeg misljenja. Taj covjek je nekada govorio "God is too vague a concept to be meaningful. For if God’s greatness entails being invisible, intangible and inscrutable, then he can’t be disproved — but nor can he be proved', da bi sada pricao kako nova naucna dostignuca upravo potvrdjuju postojanje Boga??? Konzistentnost? Prije ce biti da je samo senilni starac.

EDIT: Da ne zaboravim, bog u kog Flew vjeruje je aristotelovski bog. Tako da, ne znam da li ga treba spominjati u kontekstu evolucije, inteligentnog dizajna i nacina na koji priroda radi :) Tako je barem pricao dok je bio normalan.

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#3180 Re: Evolucija

Post by Bušman » 25/03/2011 09:32

Ljudi se malo zajebavali sa DNK i skontali da nesto nedostaje na planeti Zemlji. Read on: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0018011

Spekulacije iiiii sad:
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#3181 Re: Evolucija

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#3182 Re: Evolucija

Post by Brankovac » 04/04/2011 04:26

Ne mogu vjerovati da još uvijek postoje ljudi koji ne vjeruju u evoluciju. Stvarno vide se da smo samo ljudi, skloni glupostima.

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#3183 Re: Evolucija

Post by GAU8 » 04/04/2011 09:29

Brankovac wrote:Ne mogu vjerovati da još uvijek postoje ljudi koji ne vjeruju u evoluciju. Stvarno vide se da smo samo ljudi, skloni glupostima.
Pa u evoluciju se ne vjeruje.

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#3184 Re: Evolucija

Post by Bušman » 04/04/2011 23:13

Isto kao sto se ne vjeruje u gravitaciju.

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#3185 Re: Evolucija

Post by chengaba » 05/04/2011 00:15

Pa ne opet...
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#3186 Re: Evolucija

Post by vratnik » 07/04/2011 18:44

Ne znam gdje drugo da stavim ovo, nemam bas vremena da prevodim, ali sigurno vas ineteresuje.
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natu ... 97,00.html

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#3187 Re: Evolucija

Post by GAU8 » 07/04/2011 20:48

vratnik wrote:Ne znam gdje drugo da stavim ovo, nemam bas vremena da prevodim, ali sigurno vas ineteresuje.
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natu ... 97,00.html
Pa nije bas biologija upitanju... :)

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#3188 Re: Evolucija

Post by nukleus » 08/04/2011 07:05

crnokosa88 wrote:Ako nemozes osporiti autorovu poruku, probaj osporiti autora, poznati je moto evolucionista-Darvinista. Pomenula sam "hockey stick" prevaru samo da podsjetim kako je moguce lako uvesti u prevaru desetine hiljada naucnika (Corbyn je samo jedan od prvih koji je objelodanio ovu prevaru, naravno da mi nije bila namjera da diskutujem o njemu ili promjeni klime, kako su to neki ovde mislili).
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Anthony Flum bio je strastveni ateist i jos vaterniji zagovornik evolucije. Evolucionisti-Darvinisti su ga glorifikovali u nebesa. Medjutim, slucajno je procitao knjigu nuklearnog fizicara Geralda Schroedera, The Hidden Face of God....i postao vjernik! Mediji u sluzbi evolucionista odma su ga napali sa svih strana, opisavsi ga senilnim starcem :lol: No, o tome mozete procitati ovdje http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48961636.html
.....
Jos dva teksta koja preporucujem su http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/64069232.html i http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

dr. Gerald Schroeder
B.Sc. Chemical engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.)
M.Sc. Earth and planetary sciences, M.I.T.
PhD Earth Sciences and Physics, M.I.T.
www.geraldschroeder.com
.....
"Scientific discoveries and the fossil record have proven Darwin's Theory of the Gradual Evolution of Life?
The exact opposite is the case. As Niles Eldredge, curator at the American Museum of Natural History, NYC, wrote in the New York Times, "The fossil record that we were told to find for the past 150 years (since Charles Darwin ) does not exist." Darwin insisted that "natura non facit saltum," that nature does not make jumps. In fact, the flow of life as recorded in the fossil record has many jumps in complexity. The great trade secret of paleontology is that the fossil record does not confirm Darwin. Never did I expect to read in the esteemed, peer reviewed journal, Science, the following: "Did Darwin get it all right?" And the sub-title was no, species appear with a most un-Darwinian rapidity. The problems of evolution begin with the origin of life (Richard Dawkins attributes the origin of life to "luck.") and continue through the fossil record. Most precisely, the oldest rocks that can bear fossils already have fossils of microbes, some undergoing cell division. Nature "invented" DNA, RNA, cell structure, cell function with startling rapidity
."
crnokosa88 jesi upoznata sa radom genetičara Francisa S. Collinsa osnivača Human Genom Projekta (HGP). The Language of God je jedno od njegovih djela...čovjek je vjernik krćanin koji priznaje evoluciju, a što se tiče naučnika oni su podijeljeni po pitanju Boga i evolucije i svega. Jednostavno mali smo mi još da čvrsto donesemo odluku da li nešto postoji ili ne, sve je do "VJEROVANJA". Ljudi evolucija postoji to je činjenica, ne bi bilo biodiverziteta...itd. Ali to sigurno nije evolucija šarlatana Ričarda Davkinsa koji piše knjige za malu djecu iz obdaništa...i blati znanost kao i neki polupismeni kreacionisti! :D

P.S. crnokosa88 kad te čovjek vidi, odmah skonta da si proizvod evolucije koju opet Neko kontroliše...nego i onaj ljepuškasti NIN što je i pokrenuo ovu temu uskoro će aBd gledati drugim očima na svijet.

NIN treće oko do sad nije mašilo...pa ti vidi prijatelju! 8-)

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#3189 Re: Evolucija

Post by NIN » 08/04/2011 11:48

nukleus wrote:...nego i onaj ljepuškasti NIN što je i pokrenuo ovu temu uskoro će aBd gledati drugim očima na svijet.

NIN treće oko do sad nije mašilo...pa ti vidi prijatelju! 8-)
Molio bih te da pojasnis ovo gore?

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#3190 Re: Evolucija

Post by nukleus » 08/04/2011 12:20

NIN wrote:
nukleus wrote:...nego i onaj ljepuškasti NIN što je i pokrenuo ovu temu uskoro će aBd gledati drugim očima na svijet.

NIN treće oko do sad nije mašilo...pa ti vidi prijatelju! 8-)
Molio bih te da pojasnis ovo gore?
NIN, mislim da će tvoja životna filozofija poprimiti nove dimenzije...progooglaj malo o bioenergiji, o čakrama, ali to nema veze sa ovom temom! Evo kratko i jasno... 8-)

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#3191 Re: Evolucija

Post by NIN » 08/04/2011 12:34

nukleus wrote:
NIN wrote:
nukleus wrote:...nego i onaj ljepuškasti NIN što je i pokrenuo ovu temu uskoro će aBd gledati drugim očima na svijet.

NIN treće oko do sad nije mašilo...pa ti vidi prijatelju! 8-)
Molio bih te da pojasnis ovo gore?
NIN, mislim da će tvoja životna filozofija poprimiti nove dimenzije...progooglaj malo o bioenergiji, o čakrama, ali to nema veze sa ovom temom! Evo kratko i jasno... 8-)
Objasni na osnovu cega mislis da ce moja zivotna filozofija poprimiti nove dimenzije i, ako nije problem, definisi bioenergiju?

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#3192 Re: Evolucija

Post by GAU8 » 08/04/2011 13:23

nukleus wrote:
NIN wrote:
nukleus wrote:...nego i onaj ljepuškasti NIN što je i pokrenuo ovu temu uskoro će aBd gledati drugim očima na svijet.

NIN treće oko do sad nije mašilo...pa ti vidi prijatelju! 8-)
Molio bih te da pojasnis ovo gore?
NIN, mislim da će tvoja životna filozofija poprimiti nove dimenzije...progooglaj malo o bioenergiji, o čakrama, ali to nema veze sa ovom temom! Evo kratko i jasno... 8-)
Sto odmah ne kazes bioenergija / cakre, pa da te ceo svet razume.
Samo mislim da si "dibidus" fulio temu...

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#3193 Re: Evolucija

Post by NIN » 08/04/2011 15:23

nukleus wrote:NIN, mislim da će tvoja životna filozofija poprimiti nove dimenzije...progooglaj malo o bioenergiji, o čakrama, ali to nema veze sa ovom temom! Evo kratko i jasno... 8-)
Negdje krajem februara 1933. mladi Holandjanin Marinus van der Lubbe krece iz Holandije za Sovjetski Savez da se tamo prikljuci revolucionarima koji su po njegovoj zivotnoj filozofiji bili na pravom putu. U to vrijeme jos uvijek su se osjecale posljedice Depresije tako da je i on hudan bio nezaposlen, pun mrznje prema visoj klasi jer je u njoj vidio sve svoje probleme, nesto slicno kao sto su nacisti projicirali socio-ekonomske probleme u njemacku jevrejsku manjinu koja je u to vrijeme iznosila oko 1% ukupne populacije Weimarske Republike. Na svom pravom putu naisao je na nebrojene prepreke tako da je bio prinudjen iz Poljske se vratiti istim putem nazad. U povratku zastao je u Berlinu gdje je svjedocio anarhiji u bukvalnom smislu te rijeci koja se ogledala u ulicnim neredima kojim su u velikoj mjeri surovali SA jedinice kapetana Rohma, u to vrijeme desne ruke Lidera. Osim sto je van der Lubbe bio komunista on je bio i piroman. U noci 27. na 28. februar 1933. one ce se uvuci u Reichstag sa nekoliko pakala sibica i iz nekoliko neuspjelih pokusaja podmetnuti pozar koji ce ubrzo biti relativno lokalizovan, a van der Lubbe uhapsen. Upravo ce ovaj cin pomoci Hitleru da se obracuna sa komunistima i socijaldemokratima i tako uzme vecinu u Reichstagu.

Nakon pet i po godina u Parizu mladi sedamnaestogodisnji Poljak Herschel Grynszpan ce saznati da su mu roditelji na silu deportovani iz Njemacke u Poljsku. Nakon nemilih vijesti on ce 7. novembra 1938. sav gnijevan sa pistoljem uci u Njemacku ambasadu i raniti diplomatu na kojeg je prvo naletio, Ernst vom Ratha. Sluzbenik je bio tesko ranjen ali ce prezivjeti atentat. Ovaj incident ce Goebbelsu doci kao kec na desetku da pokrene finalni obracun sa preostalom njemackom jevrejskom manjinom. Kulminacija obracuna ce postati poznata kao Kristalna noc.

Dakle dva, reklo bi se, za istoriju, apsolutno nebitna mladica, u afektu, jedan Holandjanin i jedan Poljak, razocarani vremenom u kojem su se nasli..., nema veze sa temom al' et', nek' se nadje. :wink:

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#3194 Re: Evolucija

Post by nukleus » 08/04/2011 16:11

:D

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#3195 Re: Evolucija

Post by crnokosa88 » 09/04/2011 08:06

:lol: Pa jeste, moras imati mnogo vjere da vjerujes u evoluciju.... :lol:
Laziranje hiljada fosila, izbacivanje naucnika koji traze nepritrasnu analizu te imbecilne teorije, molekule koje krkace jasu na kristalima, izmisljanje i crtanje tzv. prelaznih oblika, absolutna matematicka nemogucnost nastajanja jednog proteinskog niza u roku postojanja univerzuma, nemogucnost kreiranja "samo-replicirajuce molekule" u idealnim labaratorijskim uslovima (kako Dawkins kaze, ni on, niti bilo ko drugi nezna kako je do toga doslo, iako je to prvi uslov za tzv. evoluciju), ..... Ma sta reci, pravi engleski muski klub in(tele)ktualca.... ;-)
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Ida....tzv. karika koja nedostaje....samo treba prostudirati ovaj "dokaz", pa da se vidi cjelokupna strategija evolucionista....skolski primjer kako radi evolucionisticka industrija lazi....od skrivanja fosila par decenija, preko spektakularne najave sa svih elektronskih i stampanih medija u sluzbi evolucionista, do priznanja da se ne radi o prelaznom obliku na najnecujniji moguci naci..... :lol: :lol:
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No, dobro, molekule koje jasu krkace na kristalima mogu "nekako i na magican nacin" napraviti cuda.... :dance: Viva la revolution Che! :dance:
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“This little creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of all the mammals; with cows and sheep, and elephants and anteaters,” said Sir David Attenborough who narrated the BBC documentary in May 2009. “The more you look at Ida, the more you can see, as it were, the primate in embryo.”

“It tells a part of our evolution that’s been hidden so far. It’s been hidden because the only [other] specimens are so incomplete and so broken there’s nothing almost to study”, said Dr Jørn Hurum, the paleontologist from Oslo University’s Natural History Museum who assembled the scientific team. The fossil findings were released to the world at a press conference in New York, simultaneously with online publication of the paper in Public Library of Science (PLoS ONE) on May 19, 2009.

At the opening press conference, the fossil was described as the “missing link” in human evolution. “This fossil rewrites our understanding of the evolution of primates… It will probably be pictured in all the textbooks for the next 100 years”, claimed the Ida investigative team. Ida was interpreted as our “human ancestor”—the first and only one known.

The fossil had even been formally named Darwinius masillae in honour of Darwin’s 200th birthday year during 2009.

The widely publicized Darwinius paper was released along with a book entitled The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor, a DVD entitled The Link, This Changes Everything, a History Channel documentary, and an exhibit in the American Museum of Natural History. At a news conference attended by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the authors unveiled the nearly complete Darwinius masillae fossil found in Germany. The New York Daily News noted,

“The unveiling of the fossil came as part of an orchestrated publicity campaign unusual for scientific discoveries.”

As the Darwinian celebrations were sinking into the sand by the end of 2009, however, so was the “missing link” status of Ida as scientists continued to analysis the fossil. By October 2009, the BBC retracted their position running ran an article entitled “Primate Fossil ‘Not an Ancestor’”, stating,

“The exceptionally well-preserved fossil primate known as “Ida” is not a missing link as some have claimed.”

The sand-sinking fossil fiasco was finalized following the March 2010 article in the Journal of Human Evolution by paleontologists Blythe Williams, Richard Kay, Christopher Kirk, and Callum Ross confirming initial suspicions that the original description of Darwinius which appeared in the journal PLoS One was fatality flawed.

The updated analysis by Williams and team members painted a damning picture of the original Darwinius study. The team reports that the features of bones in the skull teeth, and limbs clearly demonstrate that Ida is not even a primate—certainly not a human ancestor.

In March 2010 news editor for the NewScientist, Rowan Hooper, published the article entitled Confirmed: Fossil Ida is Not a Human Ancestor stating – “About a year ago we were stunned in the New Scientist offices to learn of a beautiful, 47-million-year-old primate fossil which was being hyped as the ancestor to all humans. Nicknamed ‘Ida’, The Guardian newspaper hailed it as “the eighth wonder of the world… Now an independent team has examined the fossil in detail. In a paper in the Journal of Human Evolution they strongly argue that Darwinius is not one of our ancestors.”

The Ida fossil announcement in PLoS ONE followed the same pattern as the Archaeoraptor fossil disaster announcement in National Geographic magazine in 1999. This pattern follows a strict evolutionary paradigm approach where ideology drives the interpretation. Ida serves yet another example how the evolution paradigm distorts and stifles scientific investigation and undermines the credibility of the modern scientific establishment.

Ida and Archaeoraptor join a long line of fossil fiascos, including Archaeopteryx, Java Man, and the Piltdown man. Fossil fraud and deception by the evolution industry continues to pervade the history of evolutionary, perhaps because the fossil record evidence continues to contradict the Darwinian theory of evolution.

No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long”, pines Niles Eldredge, evolutionary paleontologist, “It seems never to [have] happen[ed].”

Douglas Futuyma, president of the Society for the Study of Evolution and the American Society of Naturalists, editor of Evolution, abandoned Darwinism stating,

“The supposition that evolution proceeds very slowly and gradually, and so should leave thousands of fossil intermediates of any species in its wake, has not been part of evolutionary theory for more than thirty years.”

Ida fossil highlights again the reasons why evolution remains a theory in crisis—the fossil record evidence continues to contradict the Darwinian theory of evolution. " :shock: :? :run:

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#3196 Re: Evolucija

Post by NIN » 09/04/2011 09:50

crnokosa88 wrote::lol:
Drugarice @crnokosa88, hajde svom drugu @NINu objasni zasto ljudi imaju jedan par kromozoma manje od ostalih covjekolikih majmuna - ljudi imaju 23 para dok cimpanze i ostali bezrepi majmuni imaju 24?

I da, kako bi objasnila cinjenicu da sve vrste koje danas zive na planeti cine samo 0,1% svih vrsta koje su kroz istoriju krocile Zemljom - sa svog aspekta, dakle, kako objasnjavas nestanak 99,9% svih zivih bica od postanka zivota pa do danas?

Molio bih te da odgovoris svojim rijecima. Hvala.

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#3197 Re: Evolucija

Post by GAU8 » 09/04/2011 11:17

crnokosa88 wrote::lol: Pa jeste, moras imati mnogo vjere da vjerujes u evoluciju.... :lol:
Laziranje hiljada fosila, izbacivanje naucnika koji traze nepritrasnu analizu te imbecilne teorije, molekule koje krkace jasu na kristalima, izmisljanje i crtanje tzv. prelaznih oblika, absolutna matematicka nemogucnost nastajanja jednog proteinskog niza u roku postojanja univerzuma, nemogucnost kreiranja "samo-replicirajuce molekule" u idealnim labaratorijskim uslovima (kako Dawkins kaze, ni on, niti bilo ko drugi nezna kako je do toga doslo, iako je to prvi uslov za tzv. evoluciju), ..... Ma sta reci, pravi engleski muski klub in(tele)ktualca.... ;-)
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Ida....tzv. karika koja nedostaje....samo treba prostudirati ovaj "dokaz", pa da se vidi cjelokupna strategija evolucionista....skolski primjer kako radi evolucionisticka industrija lazi....od skrivanja fosila par decenija, preko spektakularne najave sa svih elektronskih i stampanih medija u sluzbi evolucionista, do priznanja da se ne radi o prelaznom obliku na najnecujniji moguci naci..... :lol: :lol:
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No, dobro, molekule koje jasu krkace na kristalima mogu "nekako i na magican nacin" napraviti cuda.... :dance: Viva la revolution Che! :dance:
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“This little creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of all the mammals; with cows and sheep, and elephants and anteaters,” said Sir David Attenborough who narrated the BBC documentary in May 2009. “The more you look at Ida, the more you can see, as it were, the primate in embryo.”

“It tells a part of our evolution that’s been hidden so far. It’s been hidden because the only [other] specimens are so incomplete and so broken there’s nothing almost to study”, said Dr Jørn Hurum, the paleontologist from Oslo University’s Natural History Museum who assembled the scientific team. The fossil findings were released to the world at a press conference in New York, simultaneously with online publication of the paper in Public Library of Science (PLoS ONE) on May 19, 2009.

At the opening press conference, the fossil was described as the “missing link” in human evolution. “This fossil rewrites our understanding of the evolution of primates… It will probably be pictured in all the textbooks for the next 100 years”, claimed the Ida investigative team. Ida was interpreted as our “human ancestor”—the first and only one known.

The fossil had even been formally named Darwinius masillae in honour of Darwin’s 200th birthday year during 2009.

The widely publicized Darwinius paper was released along with a book entitled The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor, a DVD entitled The Link, This Changes Everything, a History Channel documentary, and an exhibit in the American Museum of Natural History. At a news conference attended by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the authors unveiled the nearly complete Darwinius masillae fossil found in Germany. The New York Daily News noted,

“The unveiling of the fossil came as part of an orchestrated publicity campaign unusual for scientific discoveries.”

As the Darwinian celebrations were sinking into the sand by the end of 2009, however, so was the “missing link” status of Ida as scientists continued to analysis the fossil. By October 2009, the BBC retracted their position running ran an article entitled “Primate Fossil ‘Not an Ancestor’”, stating,

“The exceptionally well-preserved fossil primate known as “Ida” is not a missing link as some have claimed.”

The sand-sinking fossil fiasco was finalized following the March 2010 article in the Journal of Human Evolution by paleontologists Blythe Williams, Richard Kay, Christopher Kirk, and Callum Ross confirming initial suspicions that the original description of Darwinius which appeared in the journal PLoS One was fatality flawed.

The updated analysis by Williams and team members painted a damning picture of the original Darwinius study. The team reports that the features of bones in the skull teeth, and limbs clearly demonstrate that Ida is not even a primate—certainly not a human ancestor.

In March 2010 news editor for the NewScientist, Rowan Hooper, published the article entitled Confirmed: Fossil Ida is Not a Human Ancestor stating – “About a year ago we were stunned in the New Scientist offices to learn of a beautiful, 47-million-year-old primate fossil which was being hyped as the ancestor to all humans. Nicknamed ‘Ida’, The Guardian newspaper hailed it as “the eighth wonder of the world… Now an independent team has examined the fossil in detail. In a paper in the Journal of Human Evolution they strongly argue that Darwinius is not one of our ancestors.”

The Ida fossil announcement in PLoS ONE followed the same pattern as the Archaeoraptor fossil disaster announcement in National Geographic magazine in 1999. This pattern follows a strict evolutionary paradigm approach where ideology drives the interpretation. Ida serves yet another example how the evolution paradigm distorts and stifles scientific investigation and undermines the credibility of the modern scientific establishment.

Ida and Archaeoraptor join a long line of fossil fiascos, including Archaeopteryx, Java Man, and the Piltdown man. Fossil fraud and deception by the evolution industry continues to pervade the history of evolutionary, perhaps because the fossil record evidence continues to contradict the Darwinian theory of evolution.

No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long”, pines Niles Eldredge, evolutionary paleontologist, “It seems never to [have] happen[ed].”

Douglas Futuyma, president of the Society for the Study of Evolution and the American Society of Naturalists, editor of Evolution, abandoned Darwinism stating,

“The supposition that evolution proceeds very slowly and gradually, and so should leave thousands of fossil intermediates of any species in its wake, has not been part of evolutionary theory for more than thirty years.”

Ida fossil highlights again the reasons why evolution remains a theory in crisis—the fossil record evidence continues to contradict the Darwinian theory of evolution. " :shock: :? :run:
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#3198 Re: Evolucija

Post by NIN » 09/04/2011 11:33

nukleus wrote:Ali to sigurno nije evolucija šarlatana Ričarda Davkinsa koji piše knjige za malu djecu iz obdaništa...i blati znanost kao i neki polupismeni kreacionisti! :D
@Bioenergicar, haj' nabroj Dawkinsove knjige koje si procitao?

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#3199 Re: Evolucija

Post by crnokosa88 » 09/04/2011 11:58

NIN wrote:
crnokosa88 wrote::lol:
Drugarice @crnokosa88, hajde svom drugu @NINu objasni zasto ljudi imaju jedan par kromozoma manje od ostalih covjekolikih majmuna - ljudi imaju 23 para dok cimpanze i ostali bezrepi majmuni imaju 24?

I da, kako bi objasnila cinjenicu da sve vrste koje danas zive na planeti cine samo 0,1% svih vrsta koje su kroz istoriju krocile Zemljom - sa svog aspekta, dakle, kako objasnjavas nestanak 99,9% svih zivih bica od postanka zivota pa do danas?

Molio bih te da odgovoris svojim rijecima. Hvala.
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@NIN
Odgovor na prvo pitanje neznam jer nisam biolog, mozda bi se trebao obratiti nekom iz te oblasti, kao Richard Sternberg?
Medjutim, poznata mi je jedna slicna prica o tzv. 95%, pa 98%, pa 99% slicnosti ljudskih i cimanzinih gena. To je tipicna prica evolucionista za neupucene, te sam i ja mislila da je tacna, dok nisam pitala profesora biologije o cemu se tu zapravo radi.
Ova tzv. slicnost ljudskih i cimpanzinih gena bazira se na slicnosti sekvenci amino kiselina nekih 30-40 osnovnih proteina, koji su prisutni kod ljudi i cimpanzi. Medjutim, postoji oko 100 000 gena, pa tako i 100 000 kodiranih proteina kod ljudi. Slicnost sa tek 30-40 proteina od ukupno 100 000 i nije bas "98% slicnost", zar ne?
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A odgovor na drugo pitanje, prvo moras sjesti .... Jesi li sjeo....? Good :)
U Kur'anu citamo da je Allah obecao da ce sve okusiti smrt. Tako ce sve zive vrste izumrijeti (nece ostati ni 0.1%), sve zivotinje, svi insekti, svi ljudi, sve planete, svi mjeseci, sve zvijezde (i zvijezde umiru, jeli tako?), pa cak i cijeli univerzum ce doci do svog kraja. Eto, kada si i to prezivjeo, mozda bi mogao i procitati....nah, never mind.

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#3200 Re: Evolucija

Post by GAU8 » 09/04/2011 12:28

crnokosa88 wrote: Odgovor na prvo pitanje neznam jer nisam biolog...
Nesto ne vidim da te to sprjecava da hladno gazis po biologiji :P :P

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