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#2651 Re: Novak Đoković

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Ateista wrote: 18/01/2022 10:47
Leverage wrote: 18/01/2022 10:39 Bitan je u kontekstu objašnjenja koliko je Omicron zarazan soj, ali je irelevantan u kontekstu priče o efikasnosti vakcina.
Irelevantan za efikasnost vakcina u sprjecavanju smrti i tezih oblika ali nije irelevantan za sprjecavanje prenosa vakcinom, te upravo pokazuje ono sto sam govorio da vakcine nemaju veliki uticaj na sirenje virusa, inace bi ove drzave sa visokom stopom vakcinacije imale puno bolju situaciju sa brojem zarazenih.
Zbog toga je nelogicna odluka da djokovica i druge ne pustaju zato sto nisu vakcinisani.
To je logika "dajte mi svi po marku, vi nećete ni osjetiti a ja ću postati milioner".

Ako je procijenjeno da vakcinacija daje korist u bilo kojem kontekstu i propisano da se bez iste ne može ući u državu, e onda to mora vrijediti za sve. A ne "evo gledaj grafika, de da ja uđem, vi nećete ni osjetiti a meni bi puno značilo" :lol:
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#2652 Re: Novak Đoković

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https://www.klix.ba/sport/tenis/konacno ... /220118028

Sve je rezultiralo deportacijom prvog igrača svijeta iz Australije, a danas je konačno stiglo saopćenje Teniskog saveza Australije o situaciji koja je iza nas. Interesantno, u tekstu ni u jednom trenutku nije spomenut Đoković, iako je jasno koja situacija se komentira.Dodali su da su oduvijek bili u komunikaciji s vlastima ove zemlje koje su ukinule vizu Đokoviću pa ostaje nejasno kako je došlo do velikog skandala.

Dio koji je zanimljiv,ne pametujte dzaba pametnjakovici u vezi vize jer nemate pojma.
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#2653 Re: Novak Đoković

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Najobičnija vadiona, znaju da će zbog ovoga biti na tapetu ATP-a i onog Novaxovog privatnog udruženja.

Uzalud vam trud svirači, Australija je odradila vrhunski posao.
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#2654 Re: Novak Đoković

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SPORT 18.01.2022. 08:56

Toma Fila: Novak može da tuži i državu Australiju i turnir Australijan Open

ovo bi bilo zanimljivo :-)
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#2655 Re: Novak Đoković

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error codes wrote: 18/01/2022 11:25 SPORT 18.01.2022. 08:56

Toma Fila: Novak može da tuži i državu Australiju i turnir Australijan Open

ovo bi bilo zanimljivo :-)
Ne moze on nikakvom tuzbom stetu nadoknaditi....
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#2656 Re: Novak Đoković

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Nije dosta što se ispružio sa pola miliona nego daj još.

Pretpostavljam da je narečeni Toma Fila zainteresovan da ga, uz simboličnu naknadu od parsto hiljada eura, zastupa na tom suđenju. Ako dobije super, ako izgubi to je zato što je Srbin. Naprosto win-win situacija. Za Tomu Filu.
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#2657 Re: Novak Đoković

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stalonne wrote: 18/01/2022 11:37
error codes wrote: 18/01/2022 11:25 SPORT 18.01.2022. 08:56

Toma Fila: Novak može da tuži i državu Australiju i turnir Australijan Open

ovo bi bilo zanimljivo :-)
Ne moze on nikakvom tuzbom stetu nadoknaditi....
Moze moze itekako, samo ovde nije to poznato,sto je i logicno,osobama cija je prica bazirana na cosku neke pijace,mozda u nekoj birtiji :lol:
Ovo sto se desilo noletu je samo prvo poluvrijeme,postoji i drugo pa cak i produzetci,sumnjam da ce do penala doci.
Samo sabura :D
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#2658 Re: Novak Đoković

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Tesla Edison wrote: 18/01/2022 10:46
laik1981 wrote: 18/01/2022 10:29
Po upisima i idejama koje podrzavas ili si simpatizer ekstremne desnice ili ekstremni komunista i prije da se zalazes da liberalne opcije treba unistiti.. Eto, mozda i grijesim, ali. koliko se sjecam, svojevremeno si predlagao i logore za nevakcinisane.. Samo reci za koje politicke pokrete su logori sastavni dio rjesenja nekih problema..
Antivaxxeri su opasni po društvo. Pustiti ih da se slobodno kreću i da šire svoju bolesnu ideologiju, ravno je pustiti Brejvika na slobodu i dati mu još i pušku gratis. Kampovi za antivaxxere su predloženi čisto iz tehničkih razloga, jer nema dovoljno zatvora da se ta bagra smjesti.

A koji politički pokreti? Pa svi demokratski i moderni pokreti, od SAD-a (koji ne dozvoljava toj bagri da stupi na tlo) pa do Australije, koja je pokazala kičmu.
Isti taj SAD i još neke "slobodne i demokratske" države kažu da te neko pod sumnjom da si terorista može uhapsiti, držati na tajnoj lokaciji, nikome ne reći da te je uhapsio i držati neograničeno. I ne mora dokazati da te je uhapsio sa razlogom.

Pa danas uhapse tako nekog navodnog teroristu, sutra opozicionara, prekosutra poslovnog suparnika uticajnog biznismena, a prekosutra nekoga ko ganja istu koku na koju cilja onaj ko je u službi koja može tako hapsiti.

Izvještavajući o Novaku objavljeno je da u toj Australiji ima lik koji je ušao na brodu kada je bio klinac, imao 14 godina, i već 9 godina ga drže u logoru. Niti ga puštaju u zemlju, niti ga deportuju. A po zakonima Australije, imaju pravo držati ga u tom logoru do kraja života.

To ti je cijena sigurnosti iznad slobode. Svim diktaturama je sigurnost važnija od slobode.
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#2659 Re: Novak Đoković

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zar nije izbacen zato sto je srbin :?: :?: :?:












:-)
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#2660 Re: Novak Đoković

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preselio na ahiret wrote: 18/01/2022 11:57
stalonne wrote: 18/01/2022 11:37

Ne moze on nikakvom tuzbom stetu nadoknaditi....
Moze moze itekako, samo ovde nije to poznato,sto je i logicno,osobama cija je prica bazirana na cosku neke pijace,mozda u nekoj birtiji :lol:
Ovo sto se desilo noletu je samo prvo poluvrijeme,postoji i drugo pa cak i produzetci,sumnjam da ce do penala doci.
Samo sabura :D
Moze uzeti 2-3 miliona stete... Karijera cao.
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Zanimljiv opinion članak od CNN-a.
Novak Djokovic has left Australia but questions remain over the rules that shut him out

The Australian Open tennis tournament began on Monday without the world's top men's player, who departed the night before in a cloud of government suspicion that he could incite the country's anti-vaxxers.
Novak Djokovic arrived back in Belgrade, Serbia after losing a court challenge against the Australian government's decision to cancel his visa on public health and order grounds.
Under Australian law, Djokovic can be banned from the country for three years, though Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews hasn't ruled out an exemption. "Any application will be reviewed on its merits," she said.

Australia is not alone in banning entry to unvaccinated travelers who are unable to prove why they can't be inoculated, but it's the first to take on such a high-profile target.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the government was protecting the sacrifices Australians made during the pandemic. But he was also partly protecting his own prospects ahead of a forthcoming federal election.
The Australian government has promoted vaccination as a way out of the pandemic -- and more than 92% of people over the age of 16 are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
After Sunday's hearing the government cast Djokovic's ejection as a triumph for ordinary Australians over non-citizens who try to flout the rules.
"The idea that someone could come and not follow those rules was just not on," Morrison told local radio Monday.
But some lawyers say the government's decision to bar entry to someone who they fear might pose a risk sets a "dangerous precedent" by banning people because of their past comments or an assumption that they plan to cause trouble.
Meanwhile, refugee advocates fear Djokovic's departure will take the attention away from the people still living with consequences of the government's immigration policies -- the refugees inside the detention facility where he stayed.

Australia was among the first countries to shut its borders in March 2020 as Covid spread.
Many Australian citizens were locked out by flight caps on passengers, as a procession of celebrities somehow found a way in. As the country started reopening in December, new rules were imposed requiring all new arrivals to be double vaccinated -- unless they had a valid medical exemption.
So when Djokovic landed in Melbourne on January 5 and claimed he couldn't be vaccinated due to a past Covid-19 infection, Australian Border Force officers were quick to act. Perhaps too quick, because days later a judge ruled the Serb hadn't been given enough time to consult his lawyers and ordered his visa to be reinstated.
Under Australian law, medical exemptions are only given to people who can prove they've suffered anaphylaxis after a previous dose, or any component of a vaccine, or are significantly immunocompromised. Djovokic didn't fit either category.
On Monday, after being freed from immigration detention, Djokovic started training for a shot at his 21st grand slam title. But his freedom was curtailed four days later when Immigration Minister Alex Hawke revoked his visa, putting the player back in detention.


Ultimately Djokovic's case had nothing to do with whether he satisfied Australia's Covid-19 entry requirements. Nor did it seem to be a problem that his travel declaration misstated his movements in the 14 days before his arrival in Australia.
Instead the minister found he posed a risk to public health and order because, as a celebrity sportsman who had previously expressed opposition to vaccination, he could be seen as an "icon" for anti-vaxxers.

Australia is home to a small but determined anti-vaccine movement, which last year held protests across the country to demonstrate against the government's vaccine program and pandemic measures.
But Greg Barns, a barrister and spokesperson for the Australian Lawyers Alliance, said the decision sets a "dangerous precedent" because the purpose of Djokovic's visit was to play tennis -- not to spread his views on Covid-19 vaccines.
"Effectively, what the government is saying is that if you're a high-profile person, and you have particular views with which the government disagrees ... then the government reserves the right to either cancel your visa while you're in the country or not grant a visa."

When Djokovic's visa was canceled on January 6 he found himself in unfamiliar surrounds -- the first floor of Park Hotel, an immigration detention facility in central Melbourne.
Until the arrival of the world No.1 at the hotel, the plight of the men inside had generated little debate in the wider Australian public.
But Djokovic's visa issue focused attention on Australia's immigration policy -- the same policy that's kept some refugees and asylum seekers detained indefinitely.
"I am worried that the spotlight will fade on the refugees and asylum seekers now that Djokovic has gone," said Elaine Pearson, the Australia director of Human Rights Watch (HRW).

The men in Park Hotel didn't have their visas canceled -- they were never given a right to stay in Australia under the country's policy of not allowing refugees who arrived by boat after July 2013 to ever settle in the country. Most were found to be refugees in need of protection.
But in a radio interview on Monday morning, it seemed the Prime Minister had already forgotten, or didn't know why they were there.
"I mean, it's not clear that to my information that someone in that case is actually a refugee," Morrison said, when asked about the men in Park Hotel. "They may have sought asylum and been found not to be a refugee and have chosen not to return."
Pearson said Morrison's comments were a "blatant lie."
"(He) should know better than anyone," she said. "He's a former immigration minister."
The Asylum Seeker Resource Centre (ASRC) meanwhile said Morrison's statement was "misleading and false."
For more than a week, refugees detained inside the building have been speaking to international media about their plight, particularly Mehdi, an Iranian refugee held for more than eight years who turned 24 during Djokovic's stay.
"If I'm not a refugee, why would I endure such a difficult time as a child if I have the option to go back to where I came from? Even then, I'm not safe in detention either," he tweeted Monday.
The Australian government says its policies are designed to save lives at sea by stopping traffickers from undertaking the dangerous journey with desperate human cargo.
But it's not just refugees who lawyers worry are at risk. Other permanent and temporary visa holders can have their visa canceled and are subject to mandatory detention before being removed. For stateless people with nowhere to go, it can mean indefinite detention.
According to government figures, 946 visas were canceled in the 2020-21 financial year, under provisions that allow the government to cancel visas on character grounds -- namely if the visa holder has committed a crime.
Most people removed during that period were from New Zealand and the United Kingdom after convictions for drug offenses.
But visas can also be canceled if the government suspects that a person could engage in criminal conduct if allowed to enter. In Djokovic's case, the government thought his mere presence could encourage anti-vax protests.
The ASRC, the Visa Cancellation Working Group, and the Refugee Advice and Casework Service are calling for an urgent inquiry into visa cancellations -- saying the laws make it too easy for government ministers to intervene and don't give people enough power to challenge the decision in court.

"There are a whole range of different powers under which the government can cancel people's visas," said Graydon. "And the lack of consistency in exercising those powers is against the public interest that these powers are supposed to be about serving."
"Even if people are successful in having their visas reinstated, it can then be undone through ministerial discretion," she said. "The laws have been structured to amplify executive power at the expense of parliamentary klix and judicial klix of decision making."
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/aust ... index.html

Đoković, po australskom zakonu, uopšte nije bio kvalifikovan da dobije medicinsko izuzeće, bar ne po onome što je predstavio kao razlog.
I onda se postavlja pitanje zašto ju je uopšte dobio i zašto nisu odmah odbijeni zahtjevi za vizom? Čudan je način na koji funkcioniše
australska država sa čini se disbalansom snaga u korist izvršne vlasti koja vam faktički može oduzeti vizu ako vas na bilo koji način smatra
prijetnjom, čak i ako nema zakonski utemeljene razloge. To je vidljivo i na način kako se izbjeglice tretiraju u ovom hotelu gdje su bili
smjestili i Đokovića.
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Manual wrote: 18/01/2022 12:03
Ovo najcitaniji je kao kod nas avaz,znaci relevantan u p.m :lol:

Sjetite se samo jedne stvari u moru drugih,pomoc u poplavama,talijani vozdrica. :lol:
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Kakve veze imaju poplave sa ovim, lik je plagijator i lažov.
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Manual wrote: 18/01/2022 12:10 Kakve veze imaju poplave sa ovim, lik je plagijator i lažov.
Ne nego si ti mrzitelj noleta i nacionalista :lol:
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preselio na ahiret wrote: 18/01/2022 12:11
Manual wrote: 18/01/2022 12:10 Kakve veze imaju poplave sa ovim, lik je plagijator i lažov.
Ne nego si ti mrzitelj noleta i nacionalista :lol:
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kakotakonikako wrote: 18/01/2022 12:20
preselio na ahiret wrote: 18/01/2022 12:11

Ne nego si ti mrzitelj noleta i nacionalista :lol:
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Stize podrska sa politike,dzaba krecite zeleni :lol:
Kad jedan ne moze sam eto hijena :lol: :lol:

Ali posto sam ja pametniji od vas da vas je 200 takvih,samo vi krecite a vidjecemo sta ce na kraju ovoga svega biti.
Ma vozdrica :lol:
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#2669 Re: Novak Đoković

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laik1981 wrote: 18/01/2022 10:32
trocadero wrote: 18/01/2022 10:27 Pitam za papka iz Švrakinog, jel ovo neka zajebancija?

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Ovaj graf je irelevantan. Bitni pokazatelji su broj smrtnih slucajeva i eventualno broj hospitalizovanih..
Pa da, ali njega hastra od tih silnih boca da mu ne opadne prirodni imunitet kao u te dvije zemlje.
E da, i nije antivaxer. :D
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#2670 Re: Novak Đoković

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Tesla Edison wrote: 18/01/2022 09:14
MUNAFIK wrote: 18/01/2022 09:07 Cuj zabranjuju mu igrati na turnirima :-)

Kakvi glupi pokusaj silovanja zdrave pameti i slobode izbora.

Nevjerovatno
Niko nije ugrozio slobodu. Do tebe je hoćeš li ili nećeš. Nema nikakve prisile.

Imaju samo pravila. Ako si vakcinisan igraš, ako nisi ne igraš. Prosto.

Niko nikoga nije vezao i silom vakcinisao (iako sam ja za takvu mjeru).
Dajte ljudi uozbiljite se. Kakva su to pravila :-)

Nevakcinisani ljudi su vec ulazili u Australiju i prije Novaka cak i u isto vrijeme. Tako da ta prica fakat nema smisla.

A na kraju krajeva to je jedno jamo glupo pravilo koje ne samo da te uvjetuje da si vakcinisan nego moras primiti vakcine protiv covida koje ta drzava kao proznaje... To je posebna glupost i jos bolje pokazuje o cemu se radi.

Vakcine protiv istog virusa ali neke se priznaju, a neke ne... Cista politika koja nema veze sa naukom.

A onda dolazimo do razloga zasto se neko vakcinise?

Da bi dobio antitjela, pa sta onda ako neko ima prirodbo stecena antitjela opet ga treba vakcinisat, sto je svakako u suprotnosti sa pocetbim tvrdnjama zasto se neko vakcinise.

Evo zamislite da sad Kina kaze pravilo je da se samo priznaju kineske vakcine da bi ucestvovao na olimpijadi... Naravno logikom Australije trebali bi reci taman zako to su pravila i tako mora. Hajmo sad svi sto su dobili 3 fajzera bocnite se i sa 3 kineske vakcone i to je to... Cista glupost.

Za sprjecavanje sirenja korone u ovom slucaju najposteniji je test, fino testiras igrace i to je to... Sve ostali je samo politika i ekonomsko politicka bitka za glasove, kontrolu i na kraju novac.
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#2671 Re: Novak Đoković

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Tesla Edison wrote: 18/01/2022 09:56
laik1981 wrote: 18/01/2022 09:29
Slazes li se sa ovim pravilom u Australiji po kojem ti na granici mogu uzeti mobitel i sifru od istog? Da li bi se slozio da sutra uvedu takvo pravilo za ulazak u ostale drzave?
Privatnost i sigurnost ne idu u istu rečenicu. Ako želiš sigurno okruženje, tu nema mjesta privatnosti. Ako želiš privatnost, uz to gratis dobijaš i terorističke napade, otmice, silovanja,... pa biraj.

Ja uvijek biram sigurnost i zasigurno podržavam odluke i pravilia u Australiji, iako je to po meni preliberalno. Treba tu još strožija pravila uvesti.

To je sve napravljeno za dobrobit svog naroda.
Isto tako je tebe na silu trebalo zakljucat kuci (ko Kinezi) nabit ti masku i kuci itd..
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#2672 Re: Novak Đoković

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preselio na ahiret wrote: 18/01/2022 12:21
kakotakonikako wrote: 18/01/2022 12:20

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Stize podrska sa politike,dzaba krecite zeleni :lol:
Kad jedan ne moze sam eto hijena :lol: :lol:

Ali posto sam ja pametniji od vas da vas je 200 takvih,samo vi krecite a vidjecemo sta ce na kraju ovoga svega biti.
Ma vozdrica :lol:
Nisi ti pametniji, već nemaš drugog posla osim da braniš plagijatora i lažova.
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#2673 Re: Novak Đoković

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Nema danas Naslovnice, izgleda da je smijenjen, a njegovo mjesto preuzima Toma Fila :lol:
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#2674 Re: Novak Đoković

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Manual wrote: 18/01/2022 13:09
preselio na ahiret wrote: 18/01/2022 12:21

Stize podrska sa politike,dzaba krecite zeleni :lol:
Kad jedan ne moze sam eto hijena :lol: :lol:

Ali posto sam ja pametniji od vas da vas je 200 takvih,samo vi krecite a vidjecemo sta ce na kraju ovoga svega biti.
Ma vozdrica :lol:
Nisi ti pametniji, već nemaš drugog posla osim da braniš plagijatora i lažova.


Hahaha lik za sebe kaze da je pametniji :lol:
Eto ti pameti :mrgreen:
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#2675 Re: Novak Đoković

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I to ni manje ni više nego od 200 ovakvih lelemudana kao mi :lol:
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