Ukrajina

Glavne udare ukrajinske ofanzive očekujem na pravcima

Poll ended at 26/04/2023 10:03

Svatove-Starobilsk-Luhansk
20
9%
Kremina- Rubizhne - Severodonetsk - Luhansk
19
9%
Bakhmut- Alchevs'k - Luhansk
22
10%
Avdiivka/Marinka - Donetsk
21
10%
Vuhledar - Volnovaha - Mariupol
51
24%
Tokmak - Melitopol/Berdiansk
53
25%
Herson - Sevastopol
29
13%
 
Total votes: 215

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#97451 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 03/07/2022 15:47 Pa ja, Rusija ima problem od narandzaste revolucije, otkad su pobjednika na predsjedničkim izborima, Janukovica izigrali i instalirali drugoplasiranog Juscenka. Samo malo pogledaj ko mu je bila prva žena.

Znaš, oni koji ne postuju izbore / pravila, sad ne mogu samo cviliti “faul” (tu primarno mislim na zapad)
Opet ruska fabrika lazi!!!

Daj dokaze za navedene tvrdnje, ili ide prijava!!!
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#97452 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 03/07/2022 15:31 2014te nisam vidio razlog zašto je to morala. A zašto ti misliš da je onomad bilo nužno?
Ako ti nisi vidio razlog, ne znaci da isti nije postojao. Zasto? Pa mozda zato sto je do 2014 Ukrajina bila nista vise osim ruskog satelita gdje su proruski politicari vodili drzavu, a ista propadala zbog korupcije.

Onog trenutka kada je ukrajinski narod odlucio da odbaci Rusiju kao saveznika i okrene se Europskoj Uniji i borbi protiv korupcije, Rusija je izvrsila agresiju na Krim i podrzala separatiste u Donetsku i Lugansku
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#97453 Re: Ukrajina

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Možemo danima, ali fakt je da Rusija i Putin nikada nisu prihvatili Ukrajinu kao suverenu i nezavisnu državu koja bi mogla postojati izvan ruske sfere.

njena nezavisnost rusima je bila uslovna, postoji samo u okviru Zajednice nezavisnih država ZND formirane 91, odmah nakon raspada SSSR.
više o zajednici:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwea ... mber_state
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#97454 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 03/07/2022 15:02
Mala zemlja velika mooda
I tamam da sutra se dignu sankcije, nema vise hatma, kapak, gotovo. Aferim
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#97455 Re: Ukrajina

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Excel2 wrote: 03/07/2022 15:56
plavi_E wrote: 03/07/2022 15:26 Da se nacija moze razgraditi korupcijom dvije trecine nacijna na ovoj planeti nebi postojale ukljucujuci i Ruse.
Pustite Madnera, on sa svojim analizama je najbolji dio ovog foruma. Sto njemu padne na pamet i napise, to nece nikome. :D
Pa vidii sad, korupcija vodi u siromaštvo i anarhiju. To dalje vodi u migraciju stanovništva za boljim životom. S tim je povezan i pad nataliteta. Ako nije razgradnja jeste slabljenje. Kad je lav slab hijene se skupljaju... Slično ti je sada u BiH. Vidiš korupcija i siromaštvo su sa svim povezani pa i snagom nacije.
Ipak najbogatiji su najjači a ne siromašni.
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#97456 Re: Ukrajina

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zilog wrote: 03/07/2022 15:58
AliceInChains wrote: 03/07/2022 15:04 Rusi su izgradili Ukrajinu ovakvu kakva jeste.
Laz!!! U carskoj Rusiji nije bilo Ukrajine i zemlja je intenzivno raseljavana, tek u SSSR-u dolazi do revitalizacije.
AliceInChains wrote: 03/07/2022 15:04 Ukrajinska industrija je tokom SSSR-a bila najjača u Evropi, pored Njemačke. Izgradili su je u ovoj formi kroz dodatak svojih teritorija i uvažavali ukrajinsku naciju.
Jos jedna laz. SSSR nije bio Rusija, a teritorija (Krim), koja je dodata Ukrajini, nije odvajkada bila ruska.
AliceInChains wrote: 03/07/2022 15:04 Platili su im pošteno i kratko prije puča 2014-te za stacioniranje mornarice na Krimu do neke 2040e. E onda su zakuhali Ameri. Dođe Jatsenjuk na vlast i kao prvo izvali, da su svi sporazumi između Ruja i Ukrajine, ugovorene tokom Janukoviceve vlade, nevažeći. Htjeli istjerati mornaricu sa Sevastopolja. I kratko nakon toga je počeo belaj. Sjećali se iko toga?
Za ovu elaboriranu laz ces morati da podastres, barem minimum dokaza. Niti je Rusija platila Ukrajini za baze do 2040, niti je sporazum koji je tada Janukovic potpisao sa Rusijom, ispostovan od Rusije. Nakon okupacije Krima, Rusi su prestali sprovoditi taj sporazum.
Čuj laž :roll:

Visiš gotovo svaki dan na temi Ukrajina, a ne znaš basics o skorijoj historiji države.

Ne, kakva Rusija nego je moja naj-država u Evropi, Litvanija stvorila Sssr i ponudila svoje teritorije Ukrajini; instalirali su Krusceva, koji je ruskoj sovjetskoj republici u 60tim otkinuo Krim i poklonio Ukrajini. I posto je Ukrajina bila još uvijek toliko mala, dodali su im još malo Čehoslovačka i Poljska. Kremlj i Moskva nemaju veze s tim.
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#97457 Re: Ukrajina

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General War wrote: 03/07/2022 15:54
Odlicna analiza! :thumbup:
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#97458 Re: Ukrajina

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JoseMujica wrote: 03/07/2022 15:59
Helios wrote: 03/07/2022 13:48

Ok sumir uredu je to sve treba rokati orke,ali ti si izgleda dobro statuiran ,pun para i svejedno ti il bilo 2km ili 10km litar goriva,sta sa onima koji nemaju,Bosna je puna ljudi koji su siromašni i na granici siromaštva, sta sa njima?
Meni je takodjer svejedno neka bude 10km litar što se mene tiče,ali većini naroda to nije baš tako cool.
I još uz to uvijek ima ali i ako.Sta ako Ukraijina ne pobjedi,sta ako orci uzmu istok i jug ukr te potpisu sporazum i rat stane.Sankcije bile,ruši dobili sta su htjeli a cijene goriva i dalje 10km.Ode Bosna naša u helac .
bolje da nemamo goriva nego da ratujemo...vjeruj mi, pričam iz iskustva.
Ako budes ratovao onda tek neces imati goriva. Ovako makar samo nemas goriva :D
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#97459 Re: Ukrajina

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It is already using pretty much all conventional weaponry it can deploy, including ballistic missiles and strategic bombers. It has committed pretty much all of its combat-capable manpower available for foreign operations.
And it runs low on reserves and manpower in general as operations in Ukraine are extremely slow and costly.
The shock of the cringe-krieg of February and March is over. Much of its most combat-capable formations, including airborne and naval infantry, have been…
…severely depleted in the failed February offensive.
The Battle of Donbas goes on for over 70 days now. And Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are what Russia has managed to achieve amid immense effort, losses, and the commitment of nearly 45% of its forces in Ukraine…
…including collaborationist forces in occupied Donbas, which is subject to relentless general mobilization due to a severe lack of manpower. In Russia, they continuously have problems generating high-quality forces with its “covert mobilization.”
That’s why their advances are so extremely slow, costly, and painful. +0.3% to occupied Ukrainian territories through June should tell you a lot about Russia’s military might in 2022. And that’s at expense of other axes in the south.
Even in Donbas, they have failed to achieve their main objective and had to set much more narrow goals. They celebrated the taking of Toshkivka as if they had seized Dnipro. In some aspects, such as the use of UAVs, they run far behind the Ukrainian military.
They’d defeat the Ukrainian military and occupy most of Ukraine if they could, but all they can is to be smashing their faces against Severodonetsk for three months until they raze it to the ground and occupy the dead ashes.
It’s been the 5th month, but Russia has not even managed to impose full supremacy in the air, and its sustains losses in the sea. It has lost at least 800 tanks — which corresponds to the armored force of the UK, France, Germany, and Italy combined.
It is unlikely to be able to take the whole of Donbas, let alone the whole of Ukraine, given the weak battle performance Russia is demonstrating. In the present condition, it has zero chances in a conventional war with NATO. Lots of myths have been busted here.
We’ve been hearing this “let’s not provoke Putin” for months. But then the West started sending Ukraine tank killers, then advanced artillery, then MLRSs, then air defense. Guess what — no “escalation” followed. What followed…
…was Ukrainian military getting stronger and more capable of putting a real end to this war end sooner. The only sort of “escalation” Russia is capable of is firing hordes of missiles against Ukrainian civilians as Ukraine’s military smashes Russian ammo depots with new M142s.
And don’t get me started on scary nukes and the global holocaust — those guys in the Kremlin are very much in love with luxury, money, and being alive. And they are afraid of declaring official mobilization and calling this a war, let alone hitting the red button.
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#97460 Re: Ukrajina

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Ukrajinci pa optimisticni, a nasi salonci i dalje zabrinuti sta je reci? :oops:
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#97461 Re: Ukrajina

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Realno koga briga za salonsku zabrinutost, jel dolazi sa ideoloske ili familijarne strane ono krv nije voda dont care. Da je i 20 maraka gorivo samo da se pobijedi rusko zlo.
Da im vidimo ledja i tam a bogme i vam nema cijenu, sve nek propadne uslut i nebo nek se sruši
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#97462 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 03/07/2022 15:04 Platili su im pošteno i kratko prije puča 2014-te za stacioniranje mornarice na Krimu do neke 2040e. E onda su zakuhali Ameri. Dođe Jatsenjuk na vlast i kao prvo izvali, da su svi sporazumi između Ruja i Ukrajine, ugovorene tokom Janukoviceve vlade, nevažeći. Htjeli istjerati mornaricu sa Sevastopolja. I kratko nakon toga je počeo belaj. Sjećali se iko toga?
Kharkiv Pact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact

The Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine, widely referred to as the Kharkiv Pact (Ukrainian: Харківський пакт) or Kharkov Accords (Russian: Харьковские соглашения), was a treaty between Ukraine and Russia whereby the Russian lease on naval facilities in Crimea was extended beyond 2017 until 2042, with an additional five-year renewal option in exchange for a multiyear discounted contract to provide Ukraine with Russian natural gas.

The agreement, signed on 21 April 2010 in Kharkiv, Ukraine, by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and ratified by the parliaments of the two countries on 27 April 2010, aroused much controversy in Ukraine. The treaty was effectively a continuation of the lease provisions that were part of the 1997 Black Sea Fleet Partition Treaty between the two states. Shortly after the regime change on 22 February 2014[7] and the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation in March 2014, Russia unilaterally terminated the treaty on 31 March 2014.


Ko nam je to malo lagio? :mrgreen:
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#97463 Re: Ukrajina

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Stvarno ne kontam potrebu, previse za moje oci.foe
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#97464 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 03/07/2022 16:41 Ukrajinci pa optimisticni, a nasi salonci i dalje zabrinuti sta je reci? :oops:
oni su zabrinuti za ruse i sto je ruski mir zaglavio u blatu ukrajine a samim time i srpski svet koji sada stoji i ceka, zbunjen i izgubljen u vremenu i prostoru

jebase ih ukrajina, usa i gb i nastavljaju dalje, zadaju, ne vade
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#97465 Re: Ukrajina

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#97466 Re: Ukrajina

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Norveska kaze zdravo ruskim orcima, valhala
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#97467 Re: Ukrajina

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Slovačka gas gas
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#97468 Re: Ukrajina

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Deja fokin vu
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#97469 Re: Ukrajina

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……..
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#97470 Re: Ukrajina

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Sto bi reko onaj četalj beric ne rade :lol: :oops:
Sta cetaljski polukrezavi nepismeni orci znaju sta je dzavelin
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#97471 Re: Ukrajina

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:lol: :oops: malo li je milojko?
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#97472 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 03/07/2022 16:37
It is already using pretty much all conventional weaponry it can deploy, including ballistic missiles and strategic bombers. It has committed pretty much all of its combat-capable manpower available for foreign operations.
And it runs low on reserves and manpower in general as operations in Ukraine are extremely slow and costly.
The shock of the cringe-krieg of February and March is over. Much of its most combat-capable formations, including airborne and naval infantry, have been…
…severely depleted in the failed February offensive.
The Battle of Donbas goes on for over 70 days now. And Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are what Russia has managed to achieve amid immense effort, losses, and the commitment of nearly 45% of its forces in Ukraine…
…including collaborationist forces in occupied Donbas, which is subject to relentless general mobilization due to a severe lack of manpower. In Russia, they continuously have problems generating high-quality forces with its “covert mobilization.”
That’s why their advances are so extremely slow, costly, and painful. +0.3% to occupied Ukrainian territories through June should tell you a lot about Russia’s military might in 2022. And that’s at expense of other axes in the south.
Even in Donbas, they have failed to achieve their main objective and had to set much more narrow goals. They celebrated the taking of Toshkivka as if they had seized Dnipro. In some aspects, such as the use of UAVs, they run far behind the Ukrainian military.
They’d defeat the Ukrainian military and occupy most of Ukraine if they could, but all they can is to be smashing their faces against Severodonetsk for three months until they raze it to the ground and occupy the dead ashes.
It’s been the 5th month, but Russia has not even managed to impose full supremacy in the air, and its sustains losses in the sea. It has lost at least 800 tanks — which corresponds to the armored force of the UK, France, Germany, and Italy combined.
It is unlikely to be able to take the whole of Donbas, let alone the whole of Ukraine, given the weak battle performance Russia is demonstrating. In the present condition, it has zero chances in a conventional war with NATO. Lots of myths have been busted here.
We’ve been hearing this “let’s not provoke Putin” for months. But then the West started sending Ukraine tank killers, then advanced artillery, then MLRSs, then air defense. Guess what — no “escalation” followed. What followed…
…was Ukrainian military getting stronger and more capable of putting a real end to this war end sooner. The only sort of “escalation” Russia is capable of is firing hordes of missiles against Ukrainian civilians as Ukraine’s military smashes Russian ammo depots with new M142s.
And don’t get me started on scary nukes and the global holocaust — those guys in the Kremlin are very much in love with luxury, money, and being alive. And they are afraid of declaring official mobilization and calling this a war, let alone hitting the red button.
:thumbup:
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#97473 Re: Ukrajina

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apsidejzi wrote: 03/07/2022 16:23
JoseMujica wrote: 03/07/2022 15:59

bolje da nemamo goriva nego da ratujemo...vjeruj mi, pričam iz iskustva.
Ako budes ratovao onda tek neces imati goriva. Ovako makar samo nemas goriva :D
o tom i ja pričam...jebo gorivo...nek se nauče ova razmažena derišta pješačiti...biće zdraviji, biće-biće-biće-biće zdraviji :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#97474 Re: Ukrajina

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#97475 Re: Ukrajina

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Jel bilo , ojadjeni i nenabildani, karma je bicarka stara. sace svi bit kuhari i pojma nemaju gdje su ni sto su tu gdje jesu.
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