Ukrajina

Glavne udare ukrajinske ofanzive očekujem na pravcima

Poll ended at 26/04/2023 10:03

Svatove-Starobilsk-Luhansk
20
9%
Kremina- Rubizhne - Severodonetsk - Luhansk
19
9%
Bakhmut- Alchevs'k - Luhansk
22
10%
Avdiivka/Marinka - Donetsk
21
10%
Vuhledar - Volnovaha - Mariupol
51
24%
Tokmak - Melitopol/Berdiansk
53
25%
Herson - Sevastopol
29
13%
 
Total votes: 215

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#28901 Re: Ukrajina

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u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 21:36
Point. wrote: 30/01/2022 17:38
E ako su izjavili onda je sve u dure, znamo svi da su Rusi uvijek iskreni :-)

Kakve veze ima čiji je Krim bio prije 70 godina, činjenica je da je u okviru nezavisne Ukrajine bio kada je anektiran. Bio je i Sandžak u okviru Turske preko 500 godina pa je li to daje za pravo Erdoganu da ga sad anektira i pripoji Turskoj? I niko od Rusa se nije bunio tad kad je pripojen Ukrajini a mogli su.

Gomilanje vojske na duž granice i istovremeno davati ultimatume NATO i tražiti da Ukrajina nikad ne bude članica te alijanse nije indicija za rat? Po tebi i sličnima nije ni anektiranje Krima i davanje vojne podrške separatistima u Luhansku i Donjetsku.

I ova tvoja zadnja rečenica govori dosta o bolesnom stanju u kojem se nalazi Rusija i ruski papagaji ovdje, da bude smaknut ili da igra kako izoperisani patuljak Putin kaže. Kakvo razmišljanje
Kao što si sam naveo prije cca. 70 je ipak bliže u kontekstu Sovjetskog saveza nego prije cca. 500 godina neko zbivanje. Ruska spoljna politika je iskrena koliko i SAD-a. Tu nema razlike.

Zelensky tvrdi da je 127.000 trupa oko. Drugi izvori tvrde da ima preko 300.000.
Kakve bolan ima veze kome je Krim pripadao prije 70 godina? Može li Italija anektirati Istru? Kakve su to vratolomije?

Je li Rusija priznala Ukrajinu u njenim međunarodno priznatim granicama, uključujući i Krim?
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#28902 Re: Ukrajina

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kox wrote: 30/01/2022 17:50
_BataZiv_0809 wrote: 30/01/2022 17:44 Bas patoloski mrzis Ruse :cry:
Sta je u gornjem postu pokazatelj mržnje prema Rusima ?
Čovjek je uglavnom nabrojao činjenice.
Koje činjenice? Gleda jednosmjerno, i to je to.
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#28903 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 30/01/2022 19:15
Ako nas odsjeku od Ruskih energenata, kukala nam majka, mislim nama Evropljanima. Na drugoj strani, super za Kineze i Amerikance :mrgreen:
Njemacka pa istocno kupuju gas od Rusa. Ostali imaju druge izvore. Tako, da nisu svi u istoj poziciji.

Ali, ljudi ne sjede. Cak i Poljska pokusava da se skine sa ruskog gasa. Pravi podvodni plinovod iz Norveske (zaobilazi Njemacku :D )

Azerbejdzan moze preko Turkske zamijeniti pofino gasa. Cak se i to gura preko tzv.juznog kaspijskog toka.

Rusi nece propasti bez prodaje gasa Evropi. Ali, onda postaju ovisni o Kini kao kupcu. A Evropa kakva god je mala maca za Kineze kada te drze u saci.
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#28904 Re: Ukrajina

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Point. wrote: 30/01/2022 21:44
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 21:36

Kao što si sam naveo prije cca. 70 je ipak bliže u kontekstu Sovjetskog saveza nego prije cca. 500 godina neko zbivanje. Ruska spoljna politika je iskrena koliko i SAD-a. Tu nema razlike.

Zelensky tvrdi da je 127.000 trupa oko. Drugi izvori tvrde da ima preko 300.000.
Kakve bolan ima veze kome je Krim pripadao prije 70 godina? Može li Italija anektirati Istru? Kakve su to vratolomije?

Je li Rusija priznala Ukrajinu u njenim međunarodno priznatim granicama, uključujući i Krim?
Razumi da Moskva nikada nije priznala Ukrajinu i ako sve izgleda da kao je, ona je ali uslov je da tamo uvijek bude pro-Ruska vladavina. To su rusi koji misle da nisu Rusi prema izjavama Moskve. Ukrajina je nekada davno bila samo oko Liviva. Moskva na istu gleda kao da je njena pokrajina. Razumi to. To je Putin javno izjavio. I njega boli briga šta misli Berlin, Brisel, London, Washington. On gleda na Ukrajinu kao da je Oblast unutar Ruske federacije. Zapad neće poslati vojsku jer znaju da će Putin pritisnuti na crveno dugme. Pa se onda ja i ti možemo jebati. Pogledaj gdje je sve postavio nuklearna pokretna vozila, avijaciju te u pripremi su sve nuklearne instalacije. Putin je spreman to ispaliti, razumi da bi za koji dan mogla nuklearna da eksplodira negdje na tlu zapadne Europe. Realno je. Razumi Putin ima sve karte u ruci. Europa ima karinu. On ako krene na Ukrajinu ja ti garantujem da ćeš vidjeti pokret izbjeglica u iznosu od 20-30 miliona ljudi. Ko je voljan primiti npr. 7-8 miliona ukrajinskih izbjeglica? Ko? Niko.
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#28905 Re: Ukrajina

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u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 21:59 Ko je voljan primiti npr. 7-8 miliona ukrajinskih izbjeglica? Ko? Niko.
Hrvatska. :D
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#28906 Re: Ukrajina

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Haris.ba wrote: 30/01/2022 21:55
AliceInChains wrote: 30/01/2022 19:15
Ako nas odsjeku od Ruskih energenata, kukala nam majka, mislim nama Evropljanima. Na drugoj strani, super za Kineze i Amerikance :mrgreen:
Njemacka pa istocno kupuju gas od Rusa. Ostali imaju druge izvore. Tako, da nisu svi u istoj poziciji.

Ali, ljudi ne sjede. Cak i Poljska pokusava da se skine sa ruskog gasa. Pravi podvodni plinovod iz Norveske (zaobilazi Njemacku :D )

Azerbejdzan moze preko Turkske zamijeniti pofino gasa. Cak se i to gura preko tzv.juznog kaspijskog toka.

Rusi nece propasti bez prodaje gasa Evropi. Ali, onda postaju ovisni o Kini kao kupcu. A Evropa kakva god je mala maca za Kineze kada te drze u saci.
Azerbejdžan je samo jedan od Putinovih satelitova. To je sve ruski gas na kraju krajeva.
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#28907 Re: Ukrajina

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Haris.ba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:03
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 21:59 Ko je voljan primiti npr. 7-8 miliona ukrajinskih izbjeglica? Ko? Niko.
Hrvatska. :D
Kapaciteta imaju. Mislim na prazne stanove na obali. :D
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#28908 Re: Ukrajina

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u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:04
Haris.ba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:03

Hrvatska. :D
Kapaciteta imaju. Mislim na prazne stanove na obali. :D
https://www.jutarnji.hr/life/seks-i-vez ... or-4493264
U Hrvatskoj je sve više neženja, posebice u Dalmatinskoj
zagori i Slavoniji. Kažu da nema dovoljno žena, pa se okreću Ukrajinkama i Ruskinjama,
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Među njima je prelijepa Margarita (27) iz Odesse koja želi upoznati muškarca od 30 do 65 godina.
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:03 Azerbejdžan je samo jedan od Putinovih satelitova. To je sve ruski gas na kraju krajeva.
I koliko love ide Putinu kada Azeri prodaju gas?
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#28909 Re: Ukrajina

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Haris.ba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:06
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:04

Kapaciteta imaju. Mislim na prazne stanove na obali. :D
https://www.jutarnji.hr/life/seks-i-vez ... or-4493264
U Hrvatskoj je sve više neženja, posebice u Dalmatinskoj

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Među njima je prelijepa Margarita (27) iz Odesse koja želi upoznati muškarca od 30 do 65 godina.
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:03 Azerbejdžan je samo jedan od Putinovih satelitova. To je sve ruski gas na kraju krajeva.
I koliko love ide Putinu kada Azeri prodaju gas?
Rusija je garant njima vezano za Nagorno-Karabakh i za tranzit iz Nakhchivan do ostatka države. Ja bi rekao da u biti taj gas je skroz ruski ali dobar dio imaju i oni ali uslov je da za te novce ili dio kupuju od Rusa naoružanje itd.
Azerbejdžanska državna naftna kompanija SOCAR pomoaže Gazprom Export, podružnici ruskog državnog Gazproma, u tranzitu prirodnog gasa u Jermeniju.
Meni ovo sve govori ko je tu vladar.
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#28910 Re: Ukrajina

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u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:15
Rusija je garant njima vezano za Nagorno-Karabakh i za tranzit iz Nakhchivan do ostatka države. Ja bi rekao da u biti taj gas je skroz ruski ali dobar dio imaju i oni ali uslov je da za te novce ili dio kupuju od Rusa naoružanje itd.
Azerbejdžanska državna naftna kompanija SOCAR pomoaže Gazprom Export, podružnici ruskog državnog Gazproma, u tranzitu prirodnog gasa u Jermeniju.
Meni ovo sve govori ko je tu vladar.
Nema uslova da se kupuje rusko oruzje. Gas je od Azera, na njihovoj teritoriji, Shah Deniz je mak na konac 10% Lukoila (Rusa).

Azeri kupuju rusko oruzje zbog embarga mnogih evropskih zemalja, i zato sto je jeftino i vec postoji znanje upotrebe. Ko god je voljan prodati im oruzje oni ce kupiti - npr.Izrael.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Gas_Corridor

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#28911 Re: Ukrajina

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Haris.ba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:23
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:15
Rusija je garant njima vezano za Nagorno-Karabakh i za tranzit iz Nakhchivan do ostatka države. Ja bi rekao da u biti taj gas je skroz ruski ali dobar dio imaju i oni ali uslov je da za te novce ili dio kupuju od Rusa naoružanje itd.



Meni ovo sve govori ko je tu vladar.
Nema uslova da se kupuje rusko oruzje. Gas je od Azera, na njihovoj teritoriji, Shah Deniz je mak na konac 10% Lukoila (Rusa).

Azeri kupuju rusko oruzje zbog embarga mnogih evropskih zemalja, i zato sto je jeftino i vec postoji znanje upotrebe. Ko god je voljan prodati im oruzje oni ce kupiti - npr.Izrael.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Gas_Corridor

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Ipak je to sve ruski gas. To je Azeri gas kao i ona vojska bez oznaka a svi znamo da je to ruska vojska. Azeri i Iran imaju problem, a Rusija je garant njima zbog Irana. Azeri gas ali sve na kraju Gazprom, kako god gledao.
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#28912 Re: Ukrajina

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Rusija sigurno neće postati sigurnija niti stabilnija nakon invazije Ukrajine, a niti narušavanjam odnosa sa Amerikom i Europom, posljedice se već vide.

kao uzeće pola Ukrajine i biti sigurniji i napredniji?
članstvo u Nato su blokirali i ima još sto načina da to rade i ubuduće, dalje zaoštravanje Rusima ne može donijeti nikakvo dobro.

napadati ih niko neće, ali sve više idu na crnu listu i (samo)izolaciju
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#28913 Re: Ukrajina

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Anglosaksonci se boje Njemacko Ruskog saveznistva, sa pravom.
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#28914 Re: Ukrajina

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madner wrote: 30/01/2022 22:37 Anglosaksonci se boje Njemacko Ruskog saveznistva, sa pravom.
sve dok ameri svoje baze imaju po njemackoj od tog saveza nema nista, a ne planiraju ici iz njemacke i ako je to najavljivao trump!
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#28915 Re: Ukrajina

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@mba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:39
madner wrote: 30/01/2022 22:37 Anglosaksonci se boje Njemacko Ruskog saveznistva, sa pravom.
sve dok ameri svoje baze imaju po njemackoj od tog saveza nema nista, a ne planiraju ici iz njemacke i ako je to najavljivao trump!
Neozbiljan upis, nema direktnog rata medju velikim.
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#28916 Re: Ukrajina

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@mba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:39
madner wrote: 30/01/2022 22:37 Anglosaksonci se boje Njemacko Ruskog saveznistva, sa pravom.
sve dok ameri svoje baze imaju po njemackoj od tog saveza nema nista, a ne planiraju ici iz njemacke i ako je to najavljivao trump!
Te baze su gola simbolika.
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#28917 Re: Ukrajina

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u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:43
@mba wrote: 30/01/2022 22:39

sve dok ameri svoje baze imaju po njemackoj od tog saveza nema nista, a ne planiraju ici iz njemacke i ako je to najavljivao trump!
Te baze su gola simbolika.
Jašta su :lol: Ali zato je Ukrajina Rusija, azerski plin u stvari ruski, samo to oni ne znaju, itd... Kriminalan si :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#28918 Re: Ukrajina

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HarTar wrote: 30/01/2022 22:49
u-pet-deka wrote: 30/01/2022 22:43

Te baze su gola simbolika.
Jašta su :lol: Ali zato je Ukrajina Rusija, azerski plin u stvari ruski, samo to oni ne znaju, itd... Kriminalan si :lol: :lol: :lol:
Onda detaljnije pogledaj u knjige Danske Bank koja je prala novac Gazpromu, Putinu, FSB, tom Azeri gasu, pa kako skoro sve opet ispade da je Gazprom :oops: preko 200 milijardi oprano. Kad nije rusko kako kod njih novac. :oops:
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#28919 Re: Ukrajina

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Russia Moves Toward Checkmate on Ukraine

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Back in December, Russia sent the US and Nato two draft treaty documents spelling out its demands for security guarantees related to Nato’s posture in Eastern Europe. These demands came in a climate of tension fueled by both a Russian military buildup bordering Ukraine, and US and Nato hysteria over what they deemed an imminent Russian military incursion into Ukraine. The written replies that arrived on Jan. 22 failed — as expected — to address any of Russia’s concerns, including the red line of continued Nato expansion. Rather, the US and Nato listed alternative pathways to diplomatic engagement, including arms control and limits on military exercises, and they now couch the ongoing crisis as a choice between accepting the diplomatic offramp they dictated, or war. Russia, however, is far too sophisticated to allow itself to be boxed into such a corner. In the weeks and months ahead, Russia will be the one dictating the outcome of this crisis — which will be a resounding Russian victory.

The Russian buildup in its western and southern military districts, as well as in Belarus, has two purposes. The secondary goal is to demonstrate Russia’s ability, at a time and place of its choosing, to project sufficient military power into Ukraine to overwhelming defeat the Ukrainian armed forces and bring down its government.

To be clear, Russia has threatened neither of these outcomes. It maintains that the military buildup is simply an exercise designed to ensure it can respond to Nato’s aggressive expansion of forces along its western flank. It traces the confrontation to Nato’s “original sin” of expansion.

Historical fact supports the Russian interpretation: The Russian mantra of “not one inch eastward” is derived from an oral promise made by former Secretary of State James Baker to Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev at the time of German reunification. But Russia’s goal is not to score debating points, but rather to reverse Nato policy and posturing it deems harmful to its national security.

To this end, the primary purpose of Russia’s military buildup is to expose the political, military and economic impotence of the US/Nato partnership by a range of crises — independent of any military incursion into Ukraine — for which the US and Nato have no viable response other than to give in to most, if not all, of Russia’s demands for security guarantees.

Crying 'Wolf'

The stage for the current crisis was set back in the spring of 2021, when Russia mobilized around 100,000 troops along the lines seen today. The US and Nato immediately began a rhetoric-based war of perception management, using mainstream media and think tanks to paint a picture of Russian malfeasance and Western resolve.

A face-to-face meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden resulted, and Russia eventually drew down its forces — but not before making several salient points: It demanded that the West hold Ukraine’s feet to the fire regarding fulfillment of its obligations under the 2015 Minsk agreement. And after a “freedom of navigation” exercise which brought a British destroyer into contested waters off Crimea, it declared red lines Russia was prepared to defend, with force if necessary.

Russia took away two lessons from this. First, that neither the US nor Nato had a viable military response. Russian military superiority in any future conflict with Ukraine was all but assured. Second, that the only response either the US or Nato could come up with would center on economic sanctions. This stress test exposed several critical weaknesses Russia could exploit.

Armed with these important insights, Russia waited until last fall to repeat the stress test, again mobilizing more than 100,000 troops near Ukraine and deploying tens of thousands of elite shock troops — the First Guards Tank Army — into Belarus. Again, Russia issued no threats, stating repeatedly that it was simply conducting routine military exercises.

The US and Nato, in contrast, immediately cast the Russian buildup as proof positive of its intent to invade Ukraine. In drawing this conclusion — despite Russian denials and Ukraine’s rejection of the inevitability of such an outcome — both the US and Nato effectively founded their position on the principle of the inviolability of Nato’s “open-door” policy, which says that any nation qualified for Nato membership should have the opportunity to join.

For its part, Russia noted that Nato’s eastward expansion has created an unacceptable national security risk. It claims a right to exert a sphere of influence around its borders, implying that any accession to Nato by the former Soviet Republics of Ukraine or Georgia is viewed as an existential threat that would require a “military-technical” response. Russia said as much in the two draft treaties it submitted in December. Furthermore, Russia demanded that both Nato and the US respond in writing.

Setting a Trap

Seen in retrospect, Russia’s demand for a written response was a trap, one neither the US nor Nato yet recognizes. By rejecting Russian demands for security guarantees, the US and Nato have married themselves to a posture defined by the “open-door” policy on Nato membership. Moreover, when Russia refused to cease its mobilization in the face of sanctions threats, the US and Nato had no choice but to shift gears and create the perception of a military response designed to put pressure on Russia’s eastern flank — even though Washington has pointedly said it would not defend Ukraine from a Russian assault.

What emerged was, first, that neither the US nor Nato is able to project meaningful military power even within Nato’s own borders. Putting 8,500 US troops on alert for potential deployment to Europe is like bringing a garden hose to a three-alarm fire. Moreover, threatening to activate Nato’s rapid response force for a non-Nato issue created fractures in the unity of Nato. Germany has been hesitant. The Czech Republic and Bulgaria have forbade their troops to be involved in any such adventure. Turkey views the entire Ukraine crisis as a US/Nato conspiracy to contain Turkish regional ambitions by tying it to a conflict with Russia.

These military fractures, in concert with Europe’s hesitation to commit economic suicide by going along with sanctions that would sever it from Russian energy it needs to survive, has provided Russia with three main takeaways: Nato is militarily impotent; no unanimity exists within either Nato or Europe on economic sanctions targeting Russia; and Nato — a consensus-based organization — is deeply fractured politically.

Moves to Checkmate

Despite the repeated Western warnings, Russia is highly unlikely to invade Ukraine — at least not yet. Instead, Russia appears to be entering a new phase of crisis management that seeks to exploit the weaknesses in the US/Nato alliance highlighted by their written responses to its demands.

First, Russia will keep the diplomatic option open, but on its terms. Moscow has already engaged in so-called Normandy Format talks involving Russia, France, the UK and Ukraine over the ongoing crisis in Donbas. In the initial meeting, all parties agreed to respect the cease-fire in effect and to meet again in 10 days — the exact opposite of any imminent invasion by Russia. Note the absence of the US and Nato from these talks.

Next, Russia will turn the threat of sanctions against the US and Europe. Russia has already declared that banning it from the Swift system for international monetary transactions will result in the immediate halt of Russian energy supplies to Europe. Russia is expected to sign major economic agreements with China soon that will further insulate it from economic sanctions. China has made it clear it supports Russia in the current crisis, recognizing that if the West prevails against Russia, it will soon face a similar attack.

Finally, Russia will exploit US hypocrisy on spheres of influence and military alliances by entering military relationships with Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua and deploying a naval squadron to the Caribbean, with the potential for additional force deployments in the future.

With these three measures, Russia seeks to further isolate the US from Nato and Europe. In the end, the US will be confronted with one of two options, either agree to trade Nato’s open-door policy for Russian agreement not to deploy into the Western Hemisphere, or force a confrontation that will result in a Russian invasion of Ukraine that is seen by Europe as being the fault of the US.

The chess pieces are already being moved. While the US may not see it, a Russian checkmate can be predicted sooner, rather than later.
Scott Ritter

(is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer whose service over a 20-plus-year career included tours of duty in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control agreements, serving on the staff of US Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War and later as a chief weapons inspector with the UN in Iraq from 1991-98.)


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#28920 Re: Ukrajina

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Da je ziv, sad bi onaj Lazanski ubijao o svemocnoj rusiji :-)
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#28921 Re: Ukrajina

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Point. wrote: 30/01/2022 21:33
_BataZiv_0809 wrote: 30/01/2022 17:44 Bas patoloski mrzis Ruse :cry:
Kakva mržnja? Navodim samo činjenice.
Zakukuljio si dosta sovinizma medju cinjenice.
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#28922 Re: Ukrajina

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sherbett wrote: 30/01/2022 23:43
Point. wrote: 30/01/2022 17:38
E ako su izjavili onda je sve u dure, znamo svi da su Rusi uvijek iskreni :-)

Kakve veze ima čiji je Krim bio prije 70 godina, činjenica je da je u okviru nezavisne Ukrajine bio kada je anektiran. Bio je i Sandžak u okviru Turske preko 500 godina pa je li to daje za pravo Erdoganu da ga sad anektira i pripoji Turskoj? I niko od Rusa se nije bunio tad kad je pripojen Ukrajini a mogli su.

Gomilanje vojske na duž granice i istovremeno davati ultimatume NATO i tražiti da Ukrajina nikad ne bude članica te alijanse nije indicija za rat? Po tebi i sličnima nije ni anektiranje Krima i davanje vojne podrške separatistima u Luhansku i Donjetsku.

I ova tvoja zadnja rečenica govori dosta o bolesnom stanju u kojem se nalazi Rusija i ruski papagaji ovdje, da bude smaknut ili da igra kako izoperisani patuljak Putin kaže. Kakvo razmišljanje
ALI RAVNOTEŽE MORA BITI!
hajd da okrebeno teze, a zasto bi se NATO sirio na istok?
I koja je razlika izmedju pripajanja Krima i odcjeoljenja Kosova?
Nikako to meni nije jasno. Pa nije bilo prije 200 nego prije 20 godina. Genocidni rezim u Beogradu je poslije BiH krenuo u novi genocid na Kosovu i nakon stonse vidjelo da se nece stati, vojna intervencija i davanje nezavisnosti Kosovu je bio jedini nacin da taj narod dole uopste prezivi. Ne sta se ne sjecam da su Ukrajinci vozali hladnjace sa Krimljanima okolo…

Nevjerovatno svega mi…
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#28923 Re: Ukrajina

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GandalfSivi wrote: 30/01/2022 23:48
sherbett wrote: 30/01/2022 23:43

ALI RAVNOTEŽE MORA BITI!
hajd da okrebeno teze, a zasto bi se NATO sirio na istok?
I koja je razlika izmedju pripajanja Krima i odcjeoljenja Kosova?
Nikako to meni nije jasno. Pa nije bilo prije 200 nego prije 20 godina. Genocidni rezim u Beogradu je poslije BiH krenuo u novi genocid na Kosovu i nakon stonse vidjelo da se nece stati, vojna intervencija i davanje nezavisnosti Kosovu je bio jedini nacin da taj narod dole uopste prezivi. Ne sta se ne sjecam da su Ukrajinci vozali hladnjace sa Krimljanima okolo…

Nevjerovatno svega mi…
:thumbup:

očito je moralo i na Kosovu trajati 4 godine i u njih sprcati jednu opsadu Prištine, genocid u Prizrenu, etničko čišćenje u Peći itd. da bi pojedini shvatili neke stvari.

srećom, reagovalo se ranije. isto tako, treba biti realan, Kosovo svoju nezavisnost itekako duguje Bošnjacima, odnosno žrtvama, jer su tu i njihovi krvnici ogoljeni. na nama se svijet zasitio krvi i ubijanja, da bi na Kosovu dozvolio reprizu.
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#28924 Re: Ukrajina

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GandalfSivi wrote: 30/01/2022 23:48 Nikako to meni nije jasno. Pa nije bilo prije 200 nego prije 20 godina. Genocidni rezim u Beogradu je poslije BiH krenuo u novi genocid na Kosovu i nakon stonse vidjelo da se nece stati, vojna intervencija i davanje nezavisnosti Kosovu je bio jedini nacin da taj narod dole uopste prezivi. Ne sta se ne sjecam da su Ukrajinci vozali hladnjace sa Krimljanima okolo…

Nevjerovatno svega mi…
dobro je da si prvo spomenuo rat i genocid u BiH jer bez toga pitanje je da li bi uopšte došlo do Nato intervencije 1999.
sam rat na Kosovu, etničko čišćenje vlastitog civilnog stanovništva i zločini nad istim, a bez iskustva sa BiH, možda im ne bi donijelo nezavisnost.

nemoguće je Kosovo odvojiti od našeg rata
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#28925 Re: Ukrajina

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Russia is expected to sign major economic agreements with China soon that will further insulate it from economic sanctions. China has made it clear it supports Russia in the current crisis, recognizing that if the West prevails against Russia, it will soon face a similar attack.
I tako Rusija dugorocno postaje kineski vazal.
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