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#1 Teroristi planiraju srusiti Stari most ???

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NJEMAČKE obavještajne služba upozorile su policiju Federacije BiH da određene terorističke grupe iz BiH pripremaju diverziju na svečanosti otvaranja Starog mosta i stare jezgre Mostara, piše Večernji list pozivajući se na dobro obaviještene izvore u vlastima BiH.

Njemačke obavještajne službe došle su do informacija prema kojima su se u jednoj sarajevskih džamiji nedavno susreli bivši istaknuti generali Armije BiH, osobe iz sadašnjih vojnih struktura, predstavnici jedne probošnjačke političke stranke i grupa vjernika. Na tom se sastanku navodno razgovaralo o pripremanju terorističkog napada u vrijeme svečanog otvorenja Starog mosta. Nije poznato jesu li teroristi za metu izabrali sam Stari most ili pak nekog od visokih uzvanika koji bi se trebali pojaviti na svečanosti.

Večernjakov izvor nije želio otkriti otkriti imena osoba koje su sudjelovale na sastanku u Sarajevu, ali je naglasio da su one obavještajnim i policijskim službama u BiH poznate, te da ih oni naziru.

Nakon što su operativna saznanja do kojih su došle federalne tajne službe i policija potvrdila da su nagađanja o diverziji utemeljena, zapovjednik Federalne policije Zlatko Miletić i zapovjednik Specijalne postrojbe Federalnog MUP-a Dragan Vikić prije nekoliko dana upozorili na opasnosti koje prijete Starom mostu.

Federalna policija pojačala je mjere zaštite unutrašnjosti Starog mosta, budući da je postojala informacija da bi eksplozivne naprave upravo u tome prostoru mogle biti postavljen. Također će se zaštititi obližnje kule, dok će na korito Neretve biti postavljene mreže kako bi se spriječilo eventualno ubacivanje naprava putem plovila, saznaje Večernji list.

S terorističkim prijetnjama upoznati su i članovi Organizacijskog odbora svečanosti otvorenja Starog mosta, što je među njima izazvalo strah.

Informacije sa index.hr !

Vase misljenje....
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sviranje kurcu...
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o kojim teroristima je rijec :shock:
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#4 Re: Teroristi planiraju srusiti Stari most ???

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ciCERON wrote: ... Nije poznato jesu li teroristi za metu izabrali sam Stari most ili pak nekog od visokih uzvanika koji bi se trebali pojaviti na svečanosti.
Vase misljenje....
Meta jednostavno moze biti grupa okupljenih gradjana. Nekoliko stotina njih na jednom mjestu jednom napravom preseliti u vjecna lovista. Ucinak bi bio vise nego zadovoljavajuci. Monstruozno !

Gdje ima dima ni vatra nije daleko.
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pa dobro??? gdje su vise ti teroristi? ima vec 5 godina citam o njima ..i taman pomislim
A TO li JE !!!!!! :? :? kad ono neki taib
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... dajte ljudi smirite se! Nisam ja nista rekao, niti je ovo moja rijec!
Samo sam zelio cuti Vase misljenje o tome, a kompletan tekst je preuzet sa indexa. I ne citirajte mene...

Ako se vec nesto spominje mislim da je potrebno i o tome razgovarati. O kakvim je teroristima rijec ja pojma nemam, samo sam htio misljenje raje i ljudi...
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Advancement of Learning
The Sixth Book.
CHAPTER I.
I The Partition of the Art of Tradition into the Doctrine of the Organ of Speech. The Doctrine of the method of Speech; And the Doctrine of the Illustration of Speech. ... II. A Second Partition of Grammar, into Literarie; and Philosophicall. III. An Aggregation of Poesie, referring to Measure, unto the Knowledge of Speech. An Aggregation of the Knowledge of Cyphers to the Knowledge of Writing.
ERTAINLY any man may assume the liberty (Excellent King) if he be so humourd, to jest and laugh at himselfe, or his owne Projects. Who then knowes whether this worke of ours be not perchance a Transcript out of an Ancient Booke found amongst the Books of that famous Library of S. Victor, a Catalogue whereof M. Fra. Rabelais hath collected? For there a Book is found entitled FORMICARIUM ARTIVM; wee have indeed accumulated a litle heape of small Dust; and laid up many Graines of Arts and Sciences therein, whereto Ants may creepe, and there repose a while, and so betake themselves to new labours. Nay the wisest of Kings sends the slothful, of what ranke or qualitie soever, unto the Ants; and those we define to be slothfull, whose only care is to live upon the maine stock, but not to improve it by sowing the Ground of Sciences over againe, and reaping a new Harvest. ...
III But the measure of words hath brought us forth an immense body of Art, namely Poesie; not in respect of the matter (of which we have spoken before) but in respect of stile and the forme of words, as Metre or Verse; touching which the Art is very small and briefe, but the accesse of examples large and infinite. ...


§ Wherefore let us come to CYPHARS. Their kinds are many as, Cyphars simple; Cyphars intermixt with Nulloes, or non-significant Characters; Cyphers of double Letters under one Character; Wheele-Cyphars; Kay-Cyphars; Cyphars of words; Others. But the virtues of them whereby they are to be preferr'd are Three; That they be ready, and not laborious to write; That they be sure, and lie not open to Deciphering; And lastly, if it be possible, that they may be managed without suspition. For if Letters Missive fall into their hands, that have some command and authority over those that write; or over those to whom they were written; though the Cypher it selfe bee sure and impossible to be decypher'd, yet the matter is liable to examination and question; unless the Cypher be such, as may be voide of all suspition, or may elude all examination. As for the shifting off examination, there is ready prepared a new and profitable invention to this purpose; which, seeing it is easily procured, to what end should we report it, as Deficient. The invention is this: That you have two sorts of Alphabets, one of true letters, the other of Non-significants; and that you likewise fould up two Letters; one which may carrie the secret, another such as is probable the Writer might send yet without perill. Now if the Messenger be strictly examined concerning the Cypher, let him present the Alphabet of Non-significants for true Letters, but the Alphabet of true Letters for Non-significants: by this Art the examiner falling upon the exterior Letter, and finding it probable, shall suspect nothing of the interior Letter. But that jealousies may be taken away, we will annexe an other invention, which, in truth, we devised in our youth, when we were at Paris: and is a thing that yet seemeth to us not worthy to be lost. It containeth the highest degree of Cypher, which is to signifie omnia per omnia, yet so as the writing infolding, may beare a quintuple proportion to the writing infolded; no other condition or restriction whatsoever is required. It shall be performed thus: First let all the Letters of the Alphabet, by transposition, be resolved into two Letters onely; for the transposition of two Letters by five placeings will be sufficient for 32. Differences, much more for 24. which is the number of the Alphabet. The example of such an Alphabet is on this wise.

An Example of a Bi-literarie Alphabet.


Neither is it a small matter these Cypher-Characters have, and may performe: For by this Art a way is opened, whereby a man may expresse and signifie the intentions of his minde, at any distance of place, by objects which may be presented to the eye, and accommodated to the eare: provided those objects be capable of a twofold difference onely; as by Bells, by Trumpets, by Lights and Torches, by the report of Muskets, and any instruments of like nature. But to pursue our enterprise, when you addresse your selfe to write, resolve your inward-infolded Letter into this Bi-literarie Alphabet. Say the interior Letter be


Fuge.
Example of Solution.



Together with this, you must have ready at hand a Biformed Alphabet, which may represent all the Letters of the Common Alphabet, as well Capitall Letters as the Smaller Characters in a double forme, as may fit every mans occasion.


An Example of a Bi-formed Alphabet.


Now to the interiour letter, which is Biliterate, you shall fit a biformed exteriour letter, which shall answer the other, letter for letter, and afterwards set it downe. Let the exteriour example be,


Manere te volo, donec venero.
An Example of Accommodation.



We have annext likewise a more ample example of the cypher of writing omnia per omnia: An interiour letter, which to expresse, we have made choice of a Spartan letter sent once in a Scytale or round cypher'd staffe.



An exteriour letter, taken out of the first Epistle of Cicero, wherein a Spartan Letter is involved.



The knowledge of Cyphering, hath drawne on with it a knowledge relative unto it, which is the knowledge of Discyphering, or of Discreting Cyphers, though a man were utterly ignorant of the Alphabet of the Cypher, and the Capitulations of secrecy past between the Parties. Certainly it is an Art which requires great paines and a good witt and is (as the other was) consecrate to the Counsels of Princes: yet notwithstanding by diligent prevision it may be made unprofitable, though, as things are, it be of great use. For if good and faithfull Cyphers were invented & practised, many of them would delude and forestall all the Cunning of the Decypherer, which yet are very apt and easie to be read or written: but the rawnesse and unskilfulnesse of Secretaries, and Clarks in the Courts of Princes, is such, that many times the greatest matters are Committed to futile and weake Cyphers. But it may be, that in the enumeration, and, as it were, taxation of Arts, some may thinke that we goe about to make a great Muster-rowle of Sciences, that the multiplication of them may be more admired; when their number perchance may be displayed, but their forces in so short a Treatise can hardly be tried. But for our parts wee doe faithfully pursue our purpose, and in making this Globe of Sciences, we would not omitt the lesser and remoter Ilands. Neither have we (in our opinion) touched these Arts perfunctorily, though cursorily; but with a piercing stile extracted the marrow and pith of them out of a masse of matter. The judgement hereof we referre to those who are most able to judge of these Arts. For seeing it is the fashion of many who would be thought to know much, that every where making ostentation of words and outward termes of Arts, they become a wonder to the ignorant, but a derision to those that are Masters of those Arts: we hope that our Labours shall have a contrarie successe, which is, that they may arrest the judgment of every one who is best vers'd in every particular Art; and be undervalued by the rest. As for those Arts which may seeme to bee of inferior ranke and order, if any man thinke wee attribute too much unto them; Let him looke about him and hee shall see that there bee many of speciall note and great account in their owne Countrie, who when they come to the chiefe City or feat of the Estate, are but of mean ranke and scarcely regarded: so it is no marvaile if these sleighter Arts, placed by the Principall and supreme Sciences, seeme pettie things; yet to those that have chosen to spend their labours and studies in them, they seeme great and excellent matters. And thus much of the Organ of Speech.
[@ Bacon, 257-71]





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Cuo sam da je najskuplje bilo obuciti ribe u Neretvi da prepoznaju i deminiraju eventualna minsko explozivna sredstva u blizini mosta...
Na ideju je dosao briljantni vizionar i ministar za kulturu Grahovac kad je gledao Finding Nemo (mescini de se zove Grahovac nisam siguran znam da je neko povrce)
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...ako je ko rusio stari most to su bile hrvatske ustase...i to su jedini istinski zocinci i rusitelji...to je jedno...druga stvar...ako ce neko rusit most to ce vjerovatno bit hrvatsko-ustaski zlocinci i teroristi...to je jedino sto se moze desiti...

...svaki pametan bosnjak zna da nije pametno izvrsavat nikakve napada, jer ce se time omogucit dalje postojanje republike srpske, i dalje terorisanje muslimana od strane hrvatskih ustasha u hercegovini i tamo gdje su oni vecina...to bi njima dalo sansu da traze otcjepljenje od Bosne...istva stvar vazi i za RS...ono sto mi trebamo da radimo jeste da istrajemo u nasoj tuzbi protv SiCG, jer kad dokazemo da je bila izvrsena agresija ako Bog da, autmatski nestaje RS i sve ono za sto se je Karadzic borio...
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Za uvjerljivu dezinformaciju potrebna je i odredjena doza pameti da bi ista zaintrigrirala.
Prema tome ako dezinformacija dodje od strane ovakvih ustaImagene uzimajte je zaozbiljno.
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cim se o tom prica, nece od toga nista biti :P
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Naravno da od toga nece biti nista, samo sad cemo imati opravdanje za onih 10 miliona - da se potrose na sigurnost.... :D
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#13 teroristi i stai most

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Poz..

Ako neko ima zelju da srusi stari most, onda su to (zalosno je reci) Bosanski "Hrvati" (Katolici).

Zalosna je jedna cinjenica a to je: cim se pomene rijec terorizam odmah se pomisli na pripadnike Islamske vjeroispovjesti.

Takva je slika svijeta danas. Nazalost.
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BTW Glupo je reci, da Hrvati imaju zelju da sruse stari most. U ratu su ga srusili da se preko njega ne bi prelazilo i tretirali ga kao vojni objekt. Nema nikakvih indikacija niti pokazatelja, da je smetao iz bilo kojeg drugog razloga.

Za ratnike je nesto vojni objekt, za teroriste je politicki. Takvo stanje uma ne prepoznaje druge vrijednosti u "objektima". Vazno je postici cilj.
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Edit wrote:BTW Glupo je reci, da Hrvati imaju zelju da sruse stari most. U ratu su ga srusili da se preko njega ne bi prelazilo i tretirali ga kao vojni objekt. Nema nikakvih indikacija niti pokazatelja, da je smetao iz bilo kojeg drugog razloga.

Za ratnike je nesto vojni objekt, za teroriste je politicki. Takvo stanje uma ne prepoznaje druge vrijednosti u "objektima". Vazno je postici cilj.
fino to rusenje opravdava jedna sarajka-hrvatica

krasno

livadiceva teorija "vojnog objekta"
biljezim sa stovanjem edit
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Edit wrote:BTW Glupo je reci, da Hrvati imaju zelju da sruse stari most. U ratu su ga srusili da se preko njega ne bi prelazilo i tretirali ga kao vojni objekt. Nema nikakvih indikacija niti pokazatelja, da je smetao iz bilo kojeg drugog razloga.

Za ratnike je nesto vojni objekt, za teroriste je politicki. Takvo stanje uma ne prepoznaje druge vrijednosti u "objektima". Vazno je postici cilj.
Odvratno! :(

Mogu samo reci fuuuuj!!!!!

Gadis mi se! :x

Ali, ovo je samo pokazatelj kakvu bi sansu danas bosnjaci imali u Sarajevu da se nisu odbranili.
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ne znam, cini mi se da se edit nije najsretnije izrazila, pa je smisao pogresno protumacen, ali eto... nije moje da se mijesam...

a danas na zalost postoje ljudi koji bi taj most rusili iz kojekakvih razloga... pitajte jonatana npr. most mu je najveci problem i najveci trn u oku...
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Ma zanemari, Angela, kao sto i ja zanemarujem.... engram i kame citaju sve kroz svoje naocale, a ta im dioptrija ne dozvoljava da vide ilustraciju spomenutog uma na ovoj istoj stranici - gdje se kaze :

"...svaki pametan bosnjak zna da nije pametno izvrsavat nikakve napada, jer ce se time omogucit ..."

Dakle razlozi zbog kojih autor odbija mogucnost da bi bosnjaci/muslimani mogli biti upetljani u takav teroristicki napad, nisu nikakve druge, nego politicke prirode. U pitanju je isto sranje, drugo pakovanje.
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edit, ovo sranje ti stvarno covjek moze tesko halaliti...

nisam znao da i ti podrzavas teoriju "vojnog napada miliona mudzahedinskih ratnika preko starog mosta, po sistemu dva-po-dva-u-najvecem-redu-i-miru".

steta, mislio sam da si objektivnija... :(

inace, to ti zvuci nekako kao kad bi mi sad srusili sarajevsku katedralu jer se moze pucati snajperom sa zvonika. cilj opravdava sredstva?

mislim da je rusenje starog mosta "vojnicki" cin koliko i "oslobadjanje" ahmica. jos jednom, steta edit...

a sto se tice informacije sa index.hr, sve mi se vise fakat cini kako pokusavaju sto vise sjebati svaku mogucnost turizma u bih na svaki nacin, pocevsi od onog sranja sa austrijskom ambasadom pa do sad ovoga.

inace, index je ovo saznao od severine, koja im je navedenu informaciju sapnula izmedju dva orgazma...

get a fuckin life!
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#20 Re: teroristi i stai most

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redar wrote:Poz..

Ako neko ima zelju da srusi stari most, onda su to (zalosno je reci) Bosanski "Hrvati" (Katolici).
E Katolici oni pravi koji vjeruju u Isusa Krista nemaju tu želju. Njihova je jedina želja dočekati ponovni dolazak Isusa Krista, koji jedini zna istinu.
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Glumica wrote: a danas na zalost postoje ljudi koji bi taj most rusili iz kojekakvih razloga... pitajte jonatana npr. most mu je najveci problem i najveci trn u oku...
Hvala Bogu da mi je trn u oku, kada se u samo otvaranje Starog mosta ulaže 10000KM :shock: , dok nas ima koji i na ulici živimo.
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Ali naravno ako ćemo tražiti ljepšu stranu tog ulaganja to je ona da ćemo zbog toga imati na svojim ulicama najnovije Mercedese, BMW-e i Audije, jer se preko ovakvih projekata pokrivaju skupocjeni troškovi određenih ljudi.

Naravno uz automobile biće tu i velikih vila.
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sto, jel im to isus nabavlja C4? :shock:

p.s.
ova zajebancija je rezultat besmisla rezonovanja uvazenog jonatana, koji u po ove price oko starog mosta mijesa lika iz epizode koja se zavrsila prije nekih 2000 godina...
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Edit wrote:Ma zanemari, Angela, kao sto i ja zanemarujem.... engram i kame citaju sve kroz svoje naocale, a ta im dioptrija ne dozvoljava da vide ilustraciju spomenutog uma na ovoj istoj stranici - gdje se kaze :

"...svaki pametan bosnjak zna da nije pametno izvrsavat nikakve napada, jer ce se time omogucit ..."

Dakle razlozi zbog kojih autor odbija mogucnost da bi bosnjaci/muslimani mogli biti upetljani u takav teroristicki napad, nisu nikakve druge, nego politicke prirode. U pitanju je isto sranje, drugo pakovanje.
Edit, kao i obicno vadis stvari iz konteksta. Evo sad sam ponovo procitao....ono sto si napisala ima samo jedno znacenje.

S druge strane, sada kao razjareni grizli pokusavas da mi prikacis nesto sto ja nikada nisam izgovorio.

Ako i jesam radilo se o tvrdnji kako bosnjaci jedini na ovim prostorima nisu imali "odobrenje" da vrse zlocin. Da su bosnjaci izvrsili zlocine priblizno u onoj mjeri u kojoj su to uradili srbi i hrvati bosnjaci bi nestali.

Sto ne znaci da iskljucivo iz tog razloga zlocini takvih razmjera nisu pocinjeni.

Dio naroda koji je mozda i imao zelju da zakolje prvog komsiju koji se ne zove kao on nije to ucinio iz vise razloga. Ali prije svega dio naroda koji je na to bio spreman je jako mali.

Na druge dvije strane situacija je bila potpuno drukcija. Prije svega kada je u pitanju propaganda i podsticanje na zlocin ali i kada je u pitanju narod. Ogroman broj zlocina nad bosnjacima je pocinjen od strane prvih komsija. Dakle, nije se radilo ni o kakvim organizovanim formacijama. U velikom broju slucajeva. Sto je narocito izrazeno u pojedinim opstinama.

Pokusavam da kazem da su se takvi zlocini mogli desiti i na mojoj strani. Bez obzira sto vlast nije podsticala na zlocin. A nije bilo ni odgovarajuce propagande u velikoj mjeri. Ali to se ipak nije desilo. Takvi zlocini se nikada nisu omasovili. Mozemo govoriti samo o pojedinacnim slucajevima.
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kijametdedo wrote:sto, jel im to isus nabavlja C4? :shock:

p.s.
ova zajebancija je rezultat besmisla rezonovanja uvazenog jonatana, koji u po ove price oko starog mosta mijesa lika iz epizode koja se zavrsila prije nekih 2000 godina...
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