Šta smo radili devedeset i neke by Haris Silajdžić

[Fox Mulder]

Prodati ga i pare 'sacuvati' na svom privatnom racunu, nek' mi se nadje u buducnosti, jer rat nece vjecno trajati?

Je li ti nesto znas i imas dokaze sto mi ne znamo i nemamo? Ako imas ja cu ti pomoci da ih predas na pravu adresu da se pokrene procedura za pokretanje krivicnog postupka protiv Harisa Silajdzica? Ne znam nije moja briga, medjutim zar ti kao moderator ovdje nisi taj koji predstavlja ovaj portal? Zasto ne objavite te dokaze kad s njima raspolazes?

Tko si ti da se tebi podastiru dokazi? Još jedan provida trik poštovaoca lika i nedjela Hareta magareta. Dokazi se daju na sudu i nalaze se svuda oko nas, samo se mnogi trude i namjerno neće da ih vide. SVI VI KOJI BRANITE LIK I NEDJELO H. SILAJĐIĆA STE LOPOVI KAO I ON.

[gold'n'brown]

Prodati ga i pare 'sacuvati' na svom privatnom racunu, nek' mi se nadje u buducnosti, jer rat nece vjecno trajati?

Je li ti nesto znas i imas dokaze sto mi ne znamo i nemamo? Ako imas ja cu ti pomoci da ih predas na pravu adresu da se pokrene procedura za pokretanje krivicnog postupka protiv Harisa Silajdzica? Ne znam nije moja briga, medjutim zar ti kao moderator ovdje nisi taj koji predstavlja ovaj portal? Zasto ne objavite te dokaze kad s njima raspolazes?

Ja apsolutno ne predstavljam portal, a kao moderator se brinem za sprovodjenje pravila portala. Kao ucesnik na diskusijama iznosim samo i iskljucivo svoje misljenje, te se ono kao takvo i treba tretirati od strane drugih ucesnika u diskusiji, a ne s nekakvom rezervom zato sto sam moderator.

Dokaz?

Ne znam... Imam nekakvih otpusnih listova iz ratne bolnice, ali to nije dokaz ni za sta. Imam takodje dokaz da smo u ratu izgubili sto se izgubiti moglo (pricam o svojoj porodici) ali smo hvala Bogu ostali mi zivi. Takodje je poznato da su neki u rat usli s nigdje nicim a iz rata izasli sa vilama, kucama, stanovima, autima, nekretninama u inostranstvu... Da ne spominjemo bez i jednog jedinog oziljka. Ti koji imaju to sto nabrojah su se vrtili oko para, koje su dolazile za ove ili one prilike. Eno ti Hrvatska - svi bruje o tome gdje su pare skupljene za naoruzanje, dok se kod nas ne smije ni postaviti to pitanje, jer odmah diras u nacionalne interese i poredis 'nase' s 'njihovim'.

A dok se istraga ne pokrene sumnjam da ce neko naci i validne dokaze. A sve gore sto sam naveo je, ako nista drugo, dobar temelj za kvalitetnu istragu. Koju ocito nikome ne pada na pamet da pokrene. A i zasto bi? Haris je NAS

Prijatelju svi smo mi izgubili u ratu nisi samo ti. Ja samo kazem da je kod nas situacija bila specificna i ne mozes je porediti sa situacijom u hrvatskoj. Kao prvo bili smo nenaoruzani, JNA je odnijela skoro sve, imali smo embargo koji smo morali krsiti. Samo krsenja embarga je ilegalno i o njemu se ne smije javno govoriti. Da bi se dobavilo oruzje svasta se moralo raditi. Od podmicivanja, svercovanja i svacega jos, sto je ilegalno i o cemu se ne moze javno govoriti. Rat je prljava stvar.

[Princess Fiona]

Prodati ga i pare 'sacuvati' na svom privatnom racunu, nek' mi se nadje u buducnosti, jer rat nece vjecno trajati?

Nisu pare samo isle na privatne racune...kupovali su se i traktori...

Bosnia's Muslims Dodged Embargo
By John Pomfret

Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, September 22 1996; Page A01

VIENNA -- Last September, European police backed by anti-terrorist squads raided the office here of a seemingly obscure organization, the Third World Relief Agency, headed by a one-time Sudanese diplomat named Elfatih Hassanein.

Since then, poring over several van loads of documents, they have pieced together one of the untold stories of the Bosnian war: how Bosnia's Muslim-led government evaded a United Nations arms embargo and purchased hundreds of millions of dollars worth of black-market weapons.

In the documents and in the bank accounts of the Third World Relief Agency, Austrian investigators have tracked $350 million they say flowed from Muslim governments and radical Islamic movements to Bosnia. At least half was used to purchase weapons illegally and smuggle them to the Bosnian government army, according to Western intelligence estimates.

The agency has operated several civilian projects in Bosnia since 1992, including a chicken farm, a news agency and a women's sewing collective, and has purchased some equipment for the government, including satellite telephones. But Western officials say Hassanein, who studied medicine in Yugoslavia and set up the Third World Relief Agency in 1987, apparently turned it into the chief broker of black-market weapons deals by Bosnia's Muslim-led government and the agent of money and influence in Bosnia for Islamic movements and governments around the world.

A Western banker in Austria referred to Hassanein as the "bagman" of Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic. "If the Bosnian government said we need flour, he ran after flour. If they said we need weapons, he ran after weapons."

The story of the Third World Relief Agency, reconstructed from documents and interviews with police, banking officials and intelligence sources, makes clear how much the Bosnian government depended on outside aid to obtain and pay for desperately needed weapons. It also shows how the embargo drove the Muslim government into alliances with some of the world's most radical states, as well as terrorist movements -- contacts that continue to haunt the U.S.-led Balkan peace process.

The agency took funds and support for Bosnia from wherever it could find it, and the bulk of the cash originated in the Middle East: Iran was a big contributor, as was Sudan, which like Iran is on the U.S. State Department's watch-list of countries that support terrorism. Saudi Arabia was the largest contributor, according to banking officials and intelligence sources, and donations also came from pro-Western countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Brunei and Malaysia.

But militants in the terrorist underworld are also believed to have used the relief agency to get money to the Bosnian government, including the wealthy Saudi Arabian emigre Osama Binladen, a suspected sponsor of militant Islamic groups around the Middle East. Binladen, a resident of Sudan until last year, is reportedly now in Afghanistan, where he has issued statements calling for attacks on U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf.

Investigators say the agency also had ties to Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a radical Egyptian cleric who was convicted of planning several terrorist bombings in New York and is linked to the group that carried out the World Trade Center bombing in February 1993. Intelligence agencies say they have tapes of telephone calls by Rahman to the agency's office, during which he discussed its commitment to sell the sheik's videotapes and sermons in mosques around Europe.

Hassanein, identified by Western sources as a member of Sudan's ruling National Islamic Front, built his arms smuggling operation with Islamic activists from Bosnia who, like him, had ties to Izetbegovic, the Bosnian president. Several of these men now hold senior positions in the Bosnian government and, according to U.S. officials, they form the core of a radical Islamic movement that has resisted U.S. attempts to exert influence over the army and security services.

A senior Western diplomat in the region said the Clinton administration knew about the Third World Relief Agency and its activities beginning in 1993. Still, the United States took no action to stop its fund-raising or arms purchases, in large part because of the administration's sympathy for the Muslim government and ambivalence about maintaining the arms embargo.

"We were told [by Washington] to watch them but not interfere," the diplomat said. "Bosnia was trying to get weapons from anybody, and we weren't helping much. The least we could do is back off. So we backed off."

He acknowledged that the Clinton administration, now that it is trying to bring peace to Bosnia, is troubled by the influence gained by Bosnian Muslim hard-liners through their work with the agency. "That is a major downside," he said.

Austrian and German authorities also refrained from shutting down the agency. Austrian officials said they did not act because it is not illegal to negotiate a weapons deal on Austrian soil as long as the transaction takes place elsewhere. The Austrian officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, also acknowledged that public pressure to support Bosnia's Muslims allowed them to turn a blind eye to the agency's activities.

Devout Muslim and Arms Broker
Elfatih Hassanein is a rotund man in his fifties with a salt-and-pepper beard. He is impeccably polite in his fax transmissions and, according to people who know him, is a devout Muslim who regularly interrupts meetings to pray. A banker friend speaks of the man's natural altruism and genuine interest in Bosnia's Muslims and support for their cause.

In a 1994 interview with Gazi Husrev Beg, a magazine focusing on Islamic affairs, Hassanein called for the creation of an Islamic state in Bosnia. "Bosnia, at the end, must be Muslim Bosnia," the magazine quoted him as saying, otherwise "everything has lost its sense and this war was for nothing." Hassanein added that war in Bosnia had helped the cause of Islam by awakening a religious sense among Bosnia's secular Muslims. "However, it is still not good, and I think that we have to find more suitable methods to spread the correct teachings of Islam among Bosnian Muslims," he said.

Hassanein agreed to be interviewed for this report but subsequently failed to respond to numerous phone calls and visits to his office in Sarajevo.

He met Izetbegovic in the 1970s while attending medical school in the Yugoslav capital, Belgrade, now the capital of Serbia, one of two regions comprising Yugoslavia. Izetbegovic, then an Islamic scholar, visited Belgrade frequently and met there with Muslim intellectuals. In a 1983 trial in Sarajevo, Izetbegovic, who was under indictment for fomenting Muslim nationalism, said in his testimony that Hassanein was a good friend, according to case documents.
Hassanein founded the Third World Relief Agency in 1987 with his brother, Sukarno Hassanein.

Western officials say the original purpose of the organization was to encourage the rebirth of Islam in Eastern Europe and the then-Soviet Union. It is not clear if Sudan formally backed the agency, but Western intelligence officials say Hassanein is believed to have been responsible for the Sudanese Islamic Front's policy in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
When war broke out in Bosnia, Elfatih Hassanein was ready to play his role.

His agency received the official backing of the Bosnian government and by late 1992 had opened offices in Sarajevo, Budapest, Moscow and Istanbul -- all key locations for the smuggling and purchasing of arms. In October 1992, Haris Silajdzic, then Bosnia's foreign minister, visited First Austrian Bank here and vouched for Hassanein's credibility as the financial representative of the beleaguered Bosnian state, sources said. In 1993, Izetbegovic wrote a letter again assuring the bank that the Sudanese man had the full confidence of the Bosnian authorities, the sources added.

Suddenly, money began to pour into the the Third World Relief Agency. In one month alone, July 1992, $20 million entered its account at the First Austrian Bank. In October of that year, one Saudi Arabian government official strolled into the bank's staid headquarters in downtown Vienna with two suitcases filled with cash. He deposited $5 million. From 1992 to 1995, $350 million passed through the agency's hands, bank officials said.

In what may have been an attempt to facilitate his new work, Hassanein acquired a diplomatic passport in March 1992 and became a Sudanese cultural attache. The move allowed him to transport large amounts of cash through Austria and into Croatia and Slovenia without being subjected to police checks, Western officials said.

The agency's first large operation came to the attention of Western intelligence agencies in September 1992, when Soviet-built transport planes began arriving in Maribor, Slovenia, from the Sudanese capital, Khartoum. While the cargo was marked humanitarian aid, it contained more than 120 tons of assault rifles, mortars, mines and ammunition, intelligence sources said.

Investigators say the arms originally came from surplus stocks of Soviet weapons stored in the former East Germany and were probably purchased by the Bosnians in Europe. It is not known whether Sudan played a role in the deal other than as a point of transport.

Chartered Russian helicopters ferried some weapons to the Muslim-controlled towns of Tuzla and Zenica in Bosnia. The choppers refueled in Croatia's Adriatic port of Split. Investigators said a Russian-American joint venture called Eco-Trends, an aircraft leasing business, is believed to have provided the helicopters. An official for the Moscow-based firm recalled something about the case but added that many unsavory Russian characters used the name of the firm to win contracts abroad.

The Maribor weapons deliveries stopped in September 1992 when Croatia closed arms smuggling routes in apparent preparation for severing an alliance between its Bosnian Croat proxies and the Bosnian Muslims. The remaining 10,000 assault rifles, 750,000 rounds of ammunition, rockets and explosives sat in the warehouse in Maribor until Slovenian officials revealed their contents almost a year later. Their value was placed at about $10 million.
Austrian agents earlier had identified the relief agency as the financier of the deal, police officials said, after discovering it was paying storage fees for the weapons in the airport.

In 1993, German police got another glimpse of the organization's work when they stumbled across a weapons deal being negotiated in Germany by Bosnian Muslims and Turkish arms dealers, according to August Stern, a prosecutor in the German state of Bavaria. Germany indicted about 30 Bosnians and Turks on weapons and racketeering charges in connection with the illegal arms deal, which was negotiated on German soil.

While Stern declined to provide information on the deal, Western sources said it involved $15 million worth of light arms. Stern said the relief agency was implicated as the financial broker of the deal. Malaysian and Turkish troops who were participating in the U.N. Protection Force then operating in Bosnia smuggled the arms into the country from Croatia, several Western sources said. Commanders of the U.N. force, which was disbanded last year, were unaware of the smuggling, investigators said. Like the Maribor shipment, the weapons are believed to have come from arms stocks in Europe of the old Soviet Red Army, Western officials said.
Stern said charges against some of the Bosnians and Turks were dropped because he had insufficient evidence against them. He said he was still waiting for evidence gathered by police here in Vienna.

Raid on Vienna Headquarters
German investigators -- and agents from Austria's anti-terrorist task force -- raided the headquarters of Third World Relief Agency as well as several houses here last September, seizing enough documents to fill three minivans.

The records showed that over the years it had moved hundreds of millions of dollars through its account at First Austrian Bank. Documents provided to The Washington Post show the agency transferring a total of $2.6 million to accounts in places such as Liechtenstein and Monaco, -- locales known for their loose banking laws. One bank transfer claims the money is for tractors; another states that the money is for a documentary film.

Bank officials noted that $80 million flowed into the agency's account in 1992; $231 million in 1993; and $39 million in 1994 and 1995. The chief of a Western intelligence agency estimated that more than half of the $350 million was used to buy weapons for the Bosnian Muslims.
Another Western source said that the organization also was forced to move large amounts of money to Croatia to bribe Croatian officials to allow the weapons to cross their country. The price of such passage skyrocketed in 1993 when Croat nationalists launched their own war for a separate state inside Bosnia. Money also was smuggled into Sarajevo on flights of the office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees; Bosnian government officials used the money to buy weapons from both Serb and Croat middlemen who operated inside Bosnia, the official said.
"Many of Bosnia's weapons came from its enemies. [The relief agency] was critical to this system because they provided the cash and could bring it into Bosnia," he said.

By the time police raided its offices, the agency appeared to be winding down its activities. Western officials said it seemed that most of the agency's work preceded the opening of a direct weapons pipeline between Iran and Bosnia that passed through Croatia starting in May 1995. That pipeline received the tacit approval of the Clinton administration in April 1995 when the Croatian government asked the United States if it opposed such a link and the United States declined to respond.

Austrian police sources said Hassanein left Austria for Istanbul in 1994 after he learned he was being investigated for money laundering and arms smuggling. He stopped using a diplomatic passport in 1993 to make it more difficult for Austrian authorities to expel him, they said.

Despite his departure, a bureau of the agency continued to operate in the Austrian capital -- manned by Hassanein's brother -- even after the 1995 raid. So far this year, officials said $500,000 has moved through its account. Neither Hassanein nor his brother have been charged with any crimes in Austria.
"They did a lot of talking here but as long as they did not move weapons through our territory, we could not arrest them," one Austrian investigator said.

Hassanein remains close to Izetbegovic. In August, the Bosnian government awarded the Third World Relief Agency with a gold medal for its relief work here. Hassanein also hosted Izetbegovic on a private visit to Istanbul last month where Izetbegovic met other Sudanese officials. Hassanein traveled to Bosnia this month as a guest of the president.

[Abu FEED el-Castro]

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[Maksim]

Je li ti nesto znas i imas dokaze sto mi ne znamo i nemamo? Ako imas ja cu ti pomoci da ih predas na pravu adresu da se pokrene procedura za pokretanje krivicnog postupka protiv Harisa Silajdzica? Ne znam nije moja briga, medjutim zar ti kao moderator ovdje nisi taj koji predstavlja ovaj portal? Zasto ne objavite te dokaze kad s njima raspolazes?

Tko si ti da se tebi podastiru dokazi? Jo� jedan provida trik po�tovaoca lika i nedjela Hareta magareta. Dokazi se daju na sudu i nalaze se svuda oko nas, samo se mnogi trude i namjerno neće da ih vide. SVI VI KOJI BRANITE LIK I NEDJELO H. SILAJĐIĆA STE LOPOVI KAO I ON.

Ovime si sebe diskvalificirao kao ozbiljnog sagovornika.

Da mu nije ono prezime Siledzijic?

[seiko22]

Taj covjek je ovdje heroj,pricaj sa postovanjem.Ucinio je vise za BIH i volio je vise nego svi forumasi koji sad ovdje pricaju protiv njega.Da nam je Karadjic potpisao bili bi mi sad svi 10m pod zemljom.

Danas svako i heroj moze biti...

Nekome je heroj i Karadzic, onom Spahi je heroj Seselj, nekome je heroj Bush... Zato valjda svijet i ode u qrac. Sto nas vise hebu to su nam drazi... Samo nek su nasi.

đeš spahu i našeg svemirka u isti koš.. :D:D

nemoj "svemirka", mlad je, ima on jos da "uci"!! Tek je stig'o do "Sufare"!! Ima on vakta - mlad je!!

,

[ines.c]

Da mu nije ono prezime Siledzijic?

Koliko znam taj covjek nije iz politicke i nacionalne opcije koja je to radila. Ne znam zasto bi se tako prezivao. Mozda zato sto ne dozvoljava aminovanje te politike u Bosni? Ako je to onda OK, nek se tako zove.

Definitivno je to problem.

[Shahab]

Da mu nije ono prezime Siledzijic?

Koliko znam taj covjek nije iz politicke i nacionalne opcije koja je to radila. Ne znam zasto bi se tako prezivao. Mozda zato sto ne dozvoljava aminovanje te politike u Bosni? Ako je to onda OK, nek se tako zove.

Na trenutak sam pomislio da je Meliha Alic na forumu.

Tu politiku aminovao je upravo doticni gospodin legalizacijom genocida i ubijanja Bosnjaka kroz priznanje Republike Srpske u Daytonu.

Neka mu se dragi Bog smiluje....i njemu i Iliji.

[ines.c]

Ovo je vec suplja....u sustini svi mi znamo istinu(narocito oni koji su tad bili u Sarajevu i drugim napadnutim BIH gradovima)tako da...

[Shahab]

Ovo je vec suplja....u sustini svi mi znamo istinu(narocito oni koji su tad bili u Sarajevu i drugim napadnutim BIH gradovima)tako da...

Koleginice,

Mozda si ti sentimentalno ili interesno vezana sa sudbinom gospodina....ali u ovoj temi treba da razdvojis subjektivno od objektivnog.
Ja nisam govorio o nepotizmu, nihilizmu, neuravnotezenom ponasanju...o katastrofalnom kadroviranju...o nestrucnosti, diletantizmu,tajkunskom okruzenju...o porazu za porazom.

Za genocid u Srebrenici znalo se i 95 kao sto se zna i danas....i gospodin svojim potpisom stvara Republiku Srpsku....na tu se cinjenicu ne odgovara etiketiranjem tipa "suplja" i "svi znaju koji su bili u Sarajevu"....

[ines.c]

Ovo je vec suplja....u sustini svi mi znamo istinu(narocito oni koji su tad bili u Sarajevu i drugim napadnutim BIH gradovima)tako da...

Koleginice,

Mozda si ti sentimentalno ili interesno vezana sa sudbinom gospodina....ali u ovoj temi treba da razdvojis subjektivno od objektivnog.
Ja nisam govorio o nepotizmu, nihilizmu, neuravnotezenom ponasanju...o katastrofalnom kadroviranju...o nestrucnosti, diletantizmu,tajkunskom okruzenju...o porazu za porazom.

Za genocid u Srebrenici znalo se i 95 kao sto se zna i danas....i gospodin svojim potpisom stvara Republiku Srpsku....na tu se cinjenicu ne odgovara etiketiranjem tipa "suplja" i "svi znaju koji su bili u Sarajevu"....

Nadam se da ce politicari koji su zaista za cjelovitu BIH uspjeti,nadam se da ce sve pozitivno zavrsiti,nadam se da ce bosnjaci imati prava koja im pripadaju i da nece vise po ko zna koji put biti izigrani i zrtve.pozdrav.

[Shahab]

Ovo je vec suplja....u sustini svi mi znamo istinu(narocito oni koji su tad bili u Sarajevu i drugim napadnutim BIH gradovima)tako da...

Koleginice,

Mozda si ti sentimentalno ili interesno vezana sa sudbinom gospodina....ali u ovoj temi treba da razdvojis subjektivno od objektivnog.
Ja nisam govorio o nepotizmu, nihilizmu, neuravnotezenom ponasanju...o katastrofalnom kadroviranju...o nestrucnosti, diletantizmu,tajkunskom okruzenju...o porazu za porazom.

Za genocid u Srebrenici znalo se i 95 kao sto se zna i danas....i gospodin svojim potpisom stvara Republiku Srpsku....na tu se cinjenicu ne odgovara etiketiranjem tipa "suplja" i "svi znaju koji su bili u Sarajevu"....

Nadam se da ce politicari koji su zaista za cjelovitu BIH uspjeti,nadam se da ce sve pozitivno zavrsiti,nadam se da ce bosnjaci imati prava koja im pripadaju i da nece vise po ko zna koji put biti izigrani i zrtve.pozdrav.

Politicar treba da bude potpuno zrela osoba sposobna da razdvoji subjektivno od objektivnog, osoba sa osjecajem za svaki dio BIH a ne samo za Sarajevo.
Lider treba da razumije savremene tokove u svijetu i da u skladu sa njima donosi odluke.
Treba da bude patriota i pravedan i skroman.
Njegov porodicni zivot treba da bude uzor gradjanstvu. treba sto vise da bude sa "malim" ljudima a ne samo kada je predizborna kampanja....djela treba da mu prate rijeci.
Treba da je mlad i zdravstveno sposoban za borbu sa cetnicima.
Mora biti izvan svih tajkunskih spletkarenja i korupcije...ukratko treba da je musliman....

Pozdrav Ines!

[zzzzz]

Dodje mi da vrisnem do neba, kada procitam pismo F. Boyla upuceno nasim minderpuzamam prije potpisivanja Deytona!!!!!

Pa da su pileci mozak imali bolje bi prosli!!!!

De ne supljirajte, kao da gledam vecina od vas koji kritikuju potpis Deytona nije bio ni blizu linije. Oni koji su ratovali bili su zadovoljni zbog potpisa a zadovoljni su bili jer su bili svjesni da mi vise nista ratom ne mozemo ostvariti.

Lako je sad palamuditi, vidio bih kako bi se opet ratovalo protiv cetnika, domacih ustasa i hrvatske vojske u paketu.....i to bez americke podrske u krsenju embarga. To je situacija u kojoj bi se nasli da su Tudjman i Milosevic potpisali sporazum a mi ga odbili.

Eh, sad je drugo pitanje je li trebalo sta drugo potpisati ranije i je li se trebalo bolje pripremiti za rat.

[liberal]

Dodje mi da vrisnem do neba, kada procitam pismo F. Boyla upuceno nasim minderpuzamam prije potpisivanja Deytona!!!!!

Pa da su pileci mozak imali bolje bi prosli!!!!

De ne supljirajte, kao da gledam vecina od vas koji kritikuju potpis Deytona nije bio ni blizu linije. Oni koji su ratovali bili su zadovoljni zbog potpisa a zadovoljni su bili jer su bili svjesni da mi vise nista ratom ne mozemo ostvariti.

Lako je sad palamuditi, vidio bih kako bi se opet ratovalo protiv cetnika, domacih ustasa i hrvatske vojske u paketu.....i to bez americke podrske u krsenju embarga. To je situacija u kojoj bi se nasli da su Tudjman i Milosevic potpisali sporazum a mi ga odbili.

Eh, sad je drugo pitanje je li trebalo sta drugo potpisati ranije i je li se trebalo bolje pripremiti za rat.

slazem se sa tobom u potpunosti
i samo da dodam za one sto velicaju harisa i njegove podvige .kazete haris je pomogao da se sazna sta se desava u bosni , navest cu vam jedan primjer.kad je srebrenica napadnuta i skoro uzeta koliko se sjecam 93 (prije nego sto je proglasena zasticenom zonom) haris je davao izjave da se u srebrenici pojavio kanibalizam zbog nestasice hrane.kad je morion otisao u srebrenicu nasao je zalihe hrane koje je vojska cuvala od civilnog stanovnistva ( sva pomoc je bila un pomoc). haris se usutio i nije komentarisao te navode iako ga je cnn prozivao.poslije toga je imenovan predsjednikom vlade i tad je sacirbej "promovisao" nasu kataklizmu po kasinima.
najsmjesnije mi je kad pocnu prozivat dodika "ronhil"...a kod nas u sarajevu imamo mali milon "ronhila" ....samo sto se ne zovu mile nego muhamed, suljo ,haris ....
zato ako nezavisne imaju papir koji moze potvrdit navode istrage trebali bi trazit da se taj dokument objavi pa da cujemo sta ce biti reakcija onih koji su prozvani pa ako imaju obraza nek objasne odakle im sve te silne pare .

[seiko22]

Dodje mi da vrisnem do neba, kada procitam pismo F. Boyla upuceno nasim minderpuzamam prije potpisivanja Deytona!!!!!

Pa da su pileci mozak imali bolje bi prosli!!!!

De ne supljirajte, kao da gledam vecina od vas koji kritikuju potpis Deytona nije bio ni blizu linije. Oni koji su ratovali bili su zadovoljni zbog potpisa a zadovoljni su bili jer su bili svjesni da mi vise nista ratom ne mozemo ostvariti.

Lako je sad palamuditi, vidio bih kako bi se opet ratovalo protiv cetnika, domacih ustasa i hrvatske vojske u paketu.....i to bez americke podrske u krsenju embarga. To je situacija u kojoj bi se nasli da su Tudjman i Milosevic potpisali sporazum a mi ga odbili.

Eh, sad je drugo pitanje je li trebalo sta drugo potpisati ranije i je li se trebalo bolje pripremiti za rat.

slazem se sa tobom u potpunosti
i samo da dodam za one sto velicaju harisa i njegove podvige .kazete haris je pomogao da se sazna sta se desava u bosni , navest cu vam jedan primjer.kad je srebrenica napadnuta i skoro uzeta koliko se sjecam 93 (prije nego sto je proglasena zasticenom zonom) haris je davao izjave da se u srebrenici pojavio kanibalizam zbog nestasice hrane.kad je morion otisao u srebrenicu nasao je zalihe hrane koje je vojska cuvala od civilnog stanovnistva ( sva pomoc je bila un pomoc). haris se usutio i nije komentarisao te navode iako ga je cnn prozivao.poslije toga je imenovan predsjednikom vlade i tad je sacirbej "promovisao" nasu kataklizmu po kasinima.
najsmjesnije mi je kad pocnu prozivat dodika "ronhil"...a kod nas u sarajevu imamo mali milon "ronhila" ....samo sto se ne zovu mile nego muhamed, suljo ,haris ....
zato ako nezavisne imaju papir koji moze potvrdit navode istrage trebali bi trazit da se taj dokument objavi pa da cujemo sta ce biti reakcija onih koji su prozvani pa ako imaju obraza nek objasne odakle im sve te silne pare .

podario im Allah dragi!!
evo primjera, iz zivota!! Nas "hodzica", kad je dos'o, prije 12 jal 13 godina, iz okline Visokog, u jednim "opancima", sa poluzavrsenom medresom, jezika ni "beknuti" nije znao, danas je doktor (istice to na svakom mogucem mjestu - ne znam sta je "doktoriro", i odakle mu pare za skolovanje"- jedini legalan izvor prihoda - mjesecna plata) sa dzamijom, otvorenom ponekad, sa ukopavanjem Bosnjaka, kad "presele"- kako se ko snadje, kome je "comp" bio "baja", koju ni upalit nije umio, sa razlicitim "tarifama" za razlicite usluge (mejtef, etc.), sa clanarinama i obavezama, naplacivanim i od starih nena po nekoliko puta, normalno - bez priznanice,ili sa priznanicama "koje se brzo gube", sa danas najvecom sposobnoscu za "fund-raisinge' - bolje nego kakav profi "broker",sa knjigom, finansiranom iz narodskih para, i sa plagijatima, u istoj, koji nemaju pola veze sa istinom - kolko si dao $$ - tolko si dobio redova u "monografiji" (koja sluzi u svrhe licne promocije, a finansirana iz narodnih para,, sa, u to doba, povrsnim znanjem iz ucenja Kur'ana, kome je moj stari iz dobrih namjera, davao savjete i korekcije prilikom ucenja i obavljanja namaza,, danas "drma"! Eh, kad ja stanem pricati sa mojim starim, sta i kako, i onda potegnem cisto pitanje ekonomije, saberemo 2+2, i onda upitamo "odakle to", moj stari kaze :"Podario mu Allah dragi!" Eh, sta da radis?? Ne mozes starom reci da laze!! Podario mu dragi Allah, i eto!! A da ce ti objasnjavati - u to ciiiiistooo sumnjam!!

[Vodenjak]

Dodje mi da vrisnem do neba, kada procitam pismo F. Boyla upuceno nasim minderpuzamam prije potpisivanja Deytona!!!!!

Pa da su pileci mozak imali bolje bi prosli!!!!

De ne supljirajte, kao da gledam vecina od vas koji kritikuju potpis Deytona nije bio ni blizu linije. Oni koji su ratovali bili su zadovoljni zbog potpisa a zadovoljni su bili jer su bili svjesni da mi vise nista ratom ne mozemo ostvariti.
Lako je sad palamuditi, vidio bih kako bi se opet ratovalo protiv cetnika, domacih ustasa i hrvatske vojske u paketu.....i to bez americke podrske u krsenju embarga. To je situacija u kojoj bi se nasli da su Tudjman i Milosevic potpisali sporazum a mi ga odbili.

Eh, sad je drugo pitanje je li trebalo sta drugo potpisati ranije i je li se trebalo bolje pripremiti za rat.

Bravo @zzzzz!
S tim da bih ja ovo drugo pitanje stavio kao prvo!

Jer, ako nista, a onda ono prvo boldirano otkriva sustinu svega!
Nakon preko sto hiljada mrtvih i milion do dva raseljenih shvatilo se da se ratom ne moze vise dobiti!

Zamisli da su oni prvi zivi a ovi drugi u svojim kucama...
Koliko bi jaka bila Republika Srpska u tom slucaju?

[Shahab]

Dodje mi da vrisnem do neba, kada procitam pismo F. Boyla upuceno nasim minderpuzamam prije potpisivanja Deytona!!!!!

Pa da su pileci mozak imali bolje bi prosli!!!!

De ne supljirajte, kao da gledam vecina od vas koji kritikuju potpis Deytona nije bio ni blizu linije. Oni koji su ratovali bili su zadovoljni zbog potpisa a zadovoljni su bili jer su bili svjesni da mi vise nista ratom ne mozemo ostvariti.
Lako je sad palamuditi, vidio bih kako bi se opet ratovalo protiv cetnika, domacih ustasa i hrvatske vojske u paketu.....i to bez americke podrske u krsenju embarga. To je situacija u kojoj bi se nasli da su Tudjman i Milosevic potpisali sporazum a mi ga odbili.

Eh, sad je drugo pitanje je li trebalo sta drugo potpisati ranije i je li se trebalo bolje pripremiti za rat.

Bravo @zzzzz!
S tim da bih ja ovo drugo pitanje stavio kao prvo!

Jer, ako nista, a onda ono prvo boldirano otkriva sustinu svega!
Nakon preko sto hiljada mrtvih i milion do dva raseljenih shvatilo se da se ratom ne moze vise dobiti!

Zamisli da su oni prvi zivi a ovi drugi u svojim kucama...
Koliko bi jaka bila Republika Srpska u tom slucaju?

Stvar je kolega Vodenjak u tome što ja potpis Daytona obesmislio i borbu i žrtve..... sve što su Bošnjaci dobili u Daytonu mogli su dobiti bez rata.
To je najveća izdaja u istoriji Bosne!

[Fair Life]

Mislim Shahab da nisi razumio Vodenjaka...

[Shahab]

Greška....post je namijenjen za zzzzz!

[Fox Mulder]

I potrudi se da makar naucis ispravno napisati prezime covjeka kojeg toliko mrzis.

Je li ti to krivo? Gdje su ti argumenti? Mi svi dadosmo svoje argumente i to dokazane, gdje su tvoji? Ili opet ono, zna svako, mi koji smo bili u Sarajevu... i tome slično. Vidim kako si relevantan sugovornik. Ti, ona mala inesica i još neki slični ste muslimani M-92.