umalo sam se konsultovao i upravu si za optike iz srbije, a bezsavne cijev su poceli proizvoditi u TTU tuzla kada su poceli proizvodnju minobacaca 120 mm i napravili su manju kolicinu jer su bili losijeg kvaliteta (cjev se prebrzo zagrijaval i deformisala)dragan.s wrote:A dijelom od Teleoptika Zemun. Nije bitno da li je uljna kočnica ili optika, svi su učestvovali.Tacticus wrote: optika se nije nabavljala iz srbije nego djelom iz tvornice zrak, a djelom iz slovenije1996-te je skinut embargo na vojnu opremu. Do tada specijalni čelici nisu ni mogli biti isporučeni fabrici.sto se tice samo montaze, objasni mi kako je onda ta tvornica 96 pravila haubice D-30 bez tih cjevi iz drugih republika ili sto je srpska vojska kupavala cijevi za novu NORA-u upravo iz ove fabrikeKada? 1992-e nije sigurno.besavne cjevi je pocela proizvoditi i tvornica transportnih uredjaja u tuzliBrkaš babe i žabe. Mi ovdje pričamo o 1992-oj, a ne o 2012-toj. 1992.-e nije bilo proizvodnje topa M-46 u SFRJ.proizvodnja topova M-46
http://www.bnt-tmh.com.ba/vojni_program.htmSvašta si ovdje nadrobio, i ne trudim se da čitam. Postoje generacije tenkova, M60 je naprosto u toj starijoj sa M55 i M72. Po nečemu je malo bolji, po nečemu lošiji, a zavisi i od dodatne opreme.sto se tice tenkova M-60, isti su zahvaljujuci daleko debljem oklopu, dalekom bolje sistemu navodjena vatre i topu 105 mm koji imadaleko bolja balisticka svojstva i probojnu moc u Yom Kipur ratu izraela protiv Arapske lige 1974 godine je maskrirao tenkovi T-55 i T-62
marinci su u zaljevskom ratu bili nauruzani tenkovima M60A1 i u visetsrukim tenkovskim borbama koje su vodili u samom iraku (on su zadrzavali iracku republikansku gardu u kuvajtu dok su druge jedinice nauruzane M1 tenkovima vrsile manevar zaobilazenja o odsjecanja istih kroz irak) izasli daleko bolje protiv veterana iz iracko-iranskog rata nauruzanih T-72 tenkovima, izgubili su samo jedan i imali nekoliko ostecenih protiv unistenih 30-tak irackih
tenkovi koje imaju OS BiH su M60A3 TTS, to jest imaju kompijuterski sistem koji je za nijansu bolji od istog na M84A1, top im sa savremenom podkalibarskom municijom moze probiti prednji oklop na 2000 metara, a posjeduju termalnuviziju (sistem koji ocitava toplinu) sa kojom su u prednosti sa ranijim primjecivanjem neprijetelja, mana im je sto su sporiji i imaju nesto slabiji oklop
ukratko vise su nego dobri za borbu sa M84A1 iz 95-te, ali su slabiji od modernizovanih M84A4 ili slicnih M84D iz hrvatske, a ovi opet nisu ni blizu M1A2 standardnom tenku US army ili Leopard A5 tenku, sovjeti su nekada formaciski stvarali jedinice da se 3-4 tenka M-72/80 bore protiv 1 M1A1 tenka i da imaju realne preduvjete za pobjedu (npr. nijedan iracki T-72 nije uspio probiti prednj i bocni oklop M1A1 tenka, a bilo je preko 50-direktnih pogodaka nekih ostvarenih i sa 20 metara)
M84 (pa čak i T'-72) će sa potkalibarnom granatom probiti bilo koji oklop danas na svijetu (uključujući i reaktivne).
istina je da je specijalizovanih repromaterijala vise nego sto sam mislio, ali su se mogli relativno brzo nabaviti 91 i 92 i u 2-3 veca slepera brzo dostaviti i da bude dovoljno za proizvodnju tih 40-60 trskih cjevi i 100-150 minobcaca jer embargo jeste bio uveden, ali nije efikasno sporveden do 93, a 94 zbog odbijanja amerikanaca da ucuestvuju u njegovoj provedbi opet je bio lose sproveden (dokaz nauruzavanje hrvatske vojske), prevedeno mogao si kupiti taj materijal i cuvati ga u madjarskoj, onda ga brzo sprovesti poslje izbijanja neprijateljstava
to sto si napisao da sam nadrobio, pokazuje tvoju ozbiljnost u diskusiji, a evo 2 clanka o 72 i M60 i ne zaboravi m-84 je poboljsani T-72, a zadrzao je iste mane, a to je slabu oklopljenost kupole, postranicnog oklopa i lose dizajniranog automatskog punjaca (ako bi pogodio kupolu, sva municija bi istovremeno eksplodirala i raznela kupolu)
The M60 Patton was the main battle tank of the US Army, US Marine Corps, and Israeli Army. It was used during the Cold War for almost three decades, participating in armed conflicts such as the Vietnam War, serving with the American Army, the Six Day War (1967), the Yom Kippur War (1973), used successfully by the Israeli Army, and Operation Desert Storm (1991). The M60 was developed from the M48 by the state-owned Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant, entering service with the US Army in 1961.
The M60 Patton was powered by a Continental V12, air-cooled twin-turbo diesel engine, delivering 750 hp. It was armed with an M68 105mm rifled cannon, one .50 (12.7 mm) M85 machine gun, and one 7.62mm M219 machine gun, and was protected by 155mm-thick homogeneous steel armor. The M60 tank was manufactured in six versions. The main ones were M60, which was the first production batch; the M60A1, which featured the distinctive "needle-nose" long nosed turret and better armor protection; M60A1, which was a developmental test vehicle fitted with the 152 mm M162 gun-missile launchers; the M60A3, which was an upgraded version fitted with a laser rangefinder, M21 solid state ballistic computer, a crosswind sensor, and additional reactive armor.
The M60A1 and M60A3 worked well and executed their missions successfully, defeating opposing tanks such as the Soviet-built T-55s, T-62s, T-72s and Type 69s tanks in various armed conflicts. In the 1982 Lebanon war Israeli M60A1 tanks performed well against Syrian T-55, T-62 and even against the new T-72, which the Soviets had designed to defeat the M60. On June 10, 1982, Israeli Pattons deployed south of Beirut encountered 400 Syrian tanks and by the end of the two-day battle the Syrian tank force had been mauled and thoroughly defeated.
Overall, the M60A1/A3s performed well against opposing tanks such as T-55s, T-62s, T-72s and Type 69s in various conflicts including the Yom Kippur war, Lebanon and the battle for the Kuwait airport. The Marine Corps M60A1s had ERA that helped to protect them, and the Iraqi tank crews were not well trained and were using older T-55s and T-62s. During the Yom Kippur War, the M60 tank proved effective versus T-54/55 and T-62 tanks. However, many Israeli M60s were destroyed by Egyptian troops armed with AT-3 Sagger anti-tank missiles. Most of these casualties were in the first few days following the Egyptian crossing of the Suez Canal. Once the Egyptian armor left the cover of the anti-air umbrella, it sustained heavy losses to the Israeli Air Force, before it was defeated by dug-in Israeli tanks in defensive positions on 14 October. In the 1982 Lebanon war Israeli M60A1s saw success against Syrian T-55, T-62 and even the new T-72, which the Soviets designed to defeat the M60. On 10 June 1982 Israeli tanks south of Beirut encountered 400 Syrian tanks and by the end of the two-day battle the Syrian tank force was defeated. Israeli M60A1s destroyed many Syrian T-72s during the battle.
inace sta se kaze za T-72 (M-84)
T-72 je sovjetski glavni borbeni tenk koji je ušao u serijsku proizvodnju 1971. Ovaj dizajn je usporedan tenku T-64[1], i T-72 je služio kao osnova razvoja tenka T-90 i mnogo drugih tenkova iz raznih zemalja svijeta: Poljska, Hrvatska, Srbija, Indija... Kronološki i dizajnom T-72 pripada istoj generaciji tenkova kao američki M60 Patton, njemački Leopard 1 i britanski Chieftain tenk.