Smrcak15 wrote:...Problem bi bio da muslimanski nisu bastinili kulturu ucenja na pamet cijelog Kur'ana, nego samo da su se oslanjali na pisanu formu, eh to bi pretstvaljalo ogroman problem ako niko nije oznazacavao krajeve ajeta a niko nije ucio Kuran na pamet da zna gdje je koji ajet zavrsen.
Ovako kad imas ljude i zene sto nauce cijeli Kur'an na pamet ,i ta tradicija traje od MUhammeda, znaci ovaj Kur'an sto imamo danas je isti Kur'an objavljen Muhammedu, jer ako imas milione ljudi koji znaju Kur'an na pamet i ta njihova tradicija se seze do poslanika kroz generacije, da je bilo imalo razlike kod njihi danas bi imali razlicite verzije Kurana gdje su ajeti rasporedjenji drukcije....
Naravno, to je ono što bi mnogi željeli: masovka onih koji su mogli da znaju Kuran napamet. Interesantno bi bilo znati kako i na koji su to način svi zajedno učili? Prihvatiću ako ih je sam Muhamed podučavao u velikoj grupi, ali ipak, to predstavlja neko današnje rješenje ali teško da je ferceralo u to vrijeme.
Medjutim, postoji konfuzija oko verbalnog prenošenja, a nalazi se u Al Buharijevom hadisu koji neću prevoditi sa Engleskog. Po svemu izgleda da je bilo jako malo hafiza
(quarisa) u to vrijeme, i da je zato Kuran ipak pisan kao manuskript nakon skupljanja materijala koji se nalazio po donjem opisu na koži, kamenu, i prsima hafiza. U ovom se hadisu radi o pogibiji mnogih
quarisa u bitci kod Al Jamame.
Naravno, Smrčkovo objašnjenje ovdje ne samo da nije potrebno nego bih ga zamolio da se strpi i da pusti druge da daju svoje stavove. Interesantno bi bilo čuti mišljenja ranih islamskih teologa oko ovoga.
(37) Chapter: It is desirable that a scribe should be honest and wise
37) باب يُسْتَحَبُّ لِلْكَاتِبِ أَنْ يَكُونَ أَمِينًا عَاقِلاً
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr sent for me owing to the large number of casualties in the battle of Al-Yamama, while `Umar was sitting with him. Abu Bakr said (to me), `Umar has come to my and said,
'A great number of Qaris of the Holy Qur'an were killed on the day of the battle of Al-Yamama, and I am afraid that the casualties among the Qaris of the Qur'an may increase on other battle-fields whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I consider it advisable that you (Abu Bakr) should have the Qur'an collected.' I said, 'How dare I do something which Allah's Messenger did not do?' `Umar said, By Allah, it is something beneficial.' `Umar kept on pressing me for that till Allah opened my chest for that for which He had opened the chest of `Umar and I had in that matter, the same opinion as `Umar had." Abu Bakr then said to me (Zaid),
"You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger. So you should search for the fragmentary scripts of the Qur'an and collect it (in one Book)." Zaid further said: By Allah, if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift a mountain among the mountains from one place to another it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said (to `Umar and Abu Bakr), "How can you do something which Allah's Messenger did not do?" Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, it is something beneficial." Zaid added: So he (Abu Bakr) kept on pressing me for that until Allah opened my chest for that for which He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar, and I had in that matter, the same opinion as theirs.
So I started compiling the Qur'an by collecting it from the leafless stalks of the date-palm tree and from the pieces of leather and hides and from the stones, and from the chests of men. I found the last verses of Sirat-at-Tauba: ("Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves--' (9.128-129) ) from Khuza`ima or Abi Khuza`ima and I added to it the rest of the Sura. The manuscripts of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him. Then it remained with `Umar till Allah took him unto Him, and then with Hafsa bint `Umar.