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salik79 wrote: 14/09/2021 21:53
Point. wrote: 14/09/2021 21:07

U VB je 90% vakcinisanih. U Danskoj koja je popustila sve mjere također. U Švedskoj, koja 29 septembra popušta sa restrikcijama i sve se vraća u normalu, je preko 80% vakcinisanih. Možda to objašnjava. Cijepite se i imaćete život bez restrikcija.
U VB 65% vakcinisanih, u Danskoj 74% u Svedskoj, u kojoj skoro da nije nikada nikakvih restrikcija bilo, 61% vakcinisanih.
https://covid-tracker.mckinsey.com/vaccination-map

Malta 94% vakcinisanih, sve mjere i dalje na snazi, Gibraltar skoro 100%, mjere i dalje tu...
U Švedskoj 82,4% vakcinisanih sa jednom dozom, 72,8% sa dvije.
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Point. wrote: 14/09/2021 21:07
Trappist wrote: 14/09/2021 16:20 Mogu li mi ovi #ostanidoma stručnjaci samo reci kad ce vise u VB krenuti padati mrtvi po cestama? Evo četvrti mjesec bez ikakvih mjera, stadioni puni mjesec dana, koncerti, festivali, pubovi, diskoteke. Ljudi zavrsili sa pandemijom dok mi ovdje i dalje palamudimo ko kontroliše svijet. Veliki gradovi sirom europe i amerike poprilično normalno zive, ogromna okupljanja svakodnevno, i nema nikakvih mrtvih po cestama. Meni se cini blizimo se kraju ovom sranju :thumbup:
U VB je 90% vakcinisanih. U Danskoj koja je popustila sve mjere također. U Švedskoj, koja 29 septembra popušta sa restrikcijama i sve se vraća u normalu, je preko 80% vakcinisanih. Možda to objašnjava. Cijepite se i imaćete život bez restrikcija.
Velike su ti te brojke druze, provjeri ti to malo. Odlicno, vakcina je dostupna svima, ko je jamio jamio, ima i dalje priliku, zašto se svuda ne ukinu mjeru?
I sto ove gore nabrojane drzave ne daju trece doze?
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Trappist wrote: 15/09/2021 00:00
Point. wrote: 14/09/2021 21:07

U VB je 90% vakcinisanih. U Danskoj koja je popustila sve mjere također. U Švedskoj, koja 29 septembra popušta sa restrikcijama i sve se vraća u normalu, je preko 80% vakcinisanih. Možda to objašnjava. Cijepite se i imaćete život bez restrikcija.
Velike su ti te brojke druze, provjeri ti to malo. Odlicno, vakcina je dostupna svima, ko je jamio jamio, ima i dalje priliku, zašto se svuda ne ukinu mjeru?
I sto ove gore nabrojane drzave ne daju trece doze?
Nemamo jos podatke za Astru, u UK-u je bila vecina tih…
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Trappist wrote: 15/09/2021 00:00
Point. wrote: 14/09/2021 21:07

U VB je 90% vakcinisanih. U Danskoj koja je popustila sve mjere također. U Švedskoj, koja 29 septembra popušta sa restrikcijama i sve se vraća u normalu, je preko 80% vakcinisanih. Možda to objašnjava. Cijepite se i imaćete život bez restrikcija.
Velike su ti te brojke druze, provjeri ti to malo. Odlicno, vakcina je dostupna svima, ko je jamio jamio, ima i dalje priliku, zašto se svuda ne ukinu mjeru?
I sto ove gore nabrojane drzave ne daju trece doze?
UK će davati treću starijim od 50 godina i osobama u rizičnim grupama. Ne radim u Ministarstvu zdravlja da ti mogu dati odgovor na to pitanje.

Što se tiče restrikcija, svaka država goni svoje. Tu se krije odgovor na ovo tvoje pitanje gore.
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Ima nakav levat na FB, postavio sliku ruke koja se haman raspada, gadna slika, nesta jede meso, kaze lik, primio sam vakcinu, smrtno bio bolestan mjesec dana, sada mi se ovo desava. Masa raje pocela dijeliti na FB njegov post, ne bilo mi mrsko, odem mu na profil, kad ono zadnjih mjesec dana sve slike sa mora, uziva, on i zena mu valjda…

Rekoh da nije ko koga znamo sa foruma :D
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GandalfSivi wrote: 15/09/2021 00:23 Ima nakav levat na FB, postavio sliku ruke koja se haman raspada, gadna slika, nesta jede meso, kaze lik, primio sam vakcinu, smrtno bio bolestan mjesec dana, sada mi se ovo desava. Masa raje pocela dijeliti na FB njegov post, ne bilo mi mrsko, odem mu na profil, kad ono zadnjih mjesec dana sve slike sa mora, uziva, on i zena mu valjda…

Rekoh da nije ko koga znamo sa foruma :D
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Trappist wrote: 15/09/2021 00:00
Point. wrote: 14/09/2021 21:07

U VB je 90% vakcinisanih. U Danskoj koja je popustila sve mjere također. U Švedskoj, koja 29 septembra popušta sa restrikcijama i sve se vraća u normalu, je preko 80% vakcinisanih. Možda to objašnjava. Cijepite se i imaćete život bez restrikcija.
Velike su ti te brojke druze, provjeri ti to malo. Odlicno, vakcina je dostupna svima, ko je jamio jamio, ima i dalje priliku, zašto se svuda ne ukinu mjeru?
I sto ove gore nabrojane drzave ne daju trece doze?
Pa mjere se ne ukidaju tamo gdje je manji broj cijepljenih
Ima odredjeni postotak koji se mora zadovoljiti
Kod nas u RH je nesto malo preko 50% i jos ima mjera
Al bome i sve vise zarazenih
Evo meni brat pozitivan, pretpostavlja da se zarazio u Dalmaciji, Makarska - Split, jer se debilan narod odozdo odbija cijepiti, jer su svi pametni, plus, imali sezonu koja u biti jos traje
A u Zg je rastao broj kako su se ljudi vracali s mora
S time da cijepljeni imaju doslovno simptome prehlade
A sto se trece doze tice, postoje preporuke tko bi ju trebao primiti
Ja necu prije nego izvadim antitijela
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sherbett wrote: 15/09/2021 00:54
Trappist wrote: 15/09/2021 00:00

Velike su ti te brojke druze, provjeri ti to malo. Odlicno, vakcina je dostupna svima, ko je jamio jamio, ima i dalje priliku, zašto se svuda ne ukinu mjeru?
I sto ove gore nabrojane drzave ne daju trece doze?
Pa mjere se ne ukidaju tamo gdje je manji broj cijepljenih
Ima odredjeni postotak koji se mora zadovoljiti
Kod nas u RH je nesto malo preko 50% i jos ima mjera
Al bome i sve vise zarazenih
Evo meni brat pozitivan, pretpostavlja da se zarazio u Dalmaciji, Makarska - Split, jer se debilan narod odozdo odbija cijepiti, jer su svi pametni, plus, imali sezonu koja u biti jos traje
A u Zg je rastao broj kako su se ljudi vracali s mora
S time da cijepljeni imaju doslovno simptome prehlade
A sto se trece doze tice, postoje preporuke tko bi ju trebao primiti
Ja necu prije nego izvadim antitijela
Trebamo onda doživotno živjeti pod mjerama jer se raznorazne budale (cast izuzecima) nece da se vakcinisu? Nece moci. Ako ti je brat cijepljen ne mora brinuti onda, kao ni ti.
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salik79 wrote: 14/09/2021 14:45
In a video shared on his social media accounts after his hospitalization, Shaulian claimed he was "poisoned" by police. He was admitted to the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon, a city south of Tel Aviv.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ibtime ... 75%3famp=1
Mozda je covjek jednostavno bio paranoican. Ne znam odakle mu da tako nesto pomisli, ono, nemoguce je, realno.

Ovo sto cu postaviti su cinjenice, tumaciti ih moze svako po vlastitom nahodjenju i tumacenju.
Datum, 05 Februar 2021 wrote: 14/09/2021 14:37

Burundi has become at least the second African country to say it doesn’t need COVID-19 vaccines, even as doses finally begin to arrive on the continent that’s seeing a deadly resurgence in cases.

The health minister of the East African nation, Thaddee Ndikumana, told reporters on Thursday evening that prevention is more important, and “since more than 95% of patients are recovering, we estimate that the vaccines are not yet necessary.”

Neighboring Tanzania this week said it had no plans to accept COVID-19 vaccines after President John Magufuli expressed doubt about them, without giving evidence.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-75703216



Predsjednik Tanzanije, Magufuli, zestoki protivnik covid vakcina, postao poznat nakon testiranja papaja i koza, proglasio pobjedu nad koronom, preselio u Martu 2021, uzrok - srcani udar.
Datum, Juli 2021 wrote: 14/09/2021 14:37 Tanzania's President gets coronavirus vaccine live on TV, reversing country's year-long policy of Covid denial
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/afri ... index.html


- Predsjednik Burundija, Nkurunziza, odbio vakcine, istjerao WHO is zemlje, preselio u Junu 2021, uzrok - srcani udar.

Datum, Juli 2021 wrote: 14/09/2021 14:37 Burundi, in reversal, says it will accept COVID-19 vaccines
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-79135931


Premijer Eswatinija/Swaziland, Dlamini, preselio u Decembru 2020, uzrok - korona
Datum, Mart 2021 wrote: 14/09/2021 14:37 Eswatini Receives First 12,000 Doses of COVID-19 Vaccine Under the COVAX Facility
https://eswatini.un.org/index.php/en/11 ... x-facility

Predsjednik Haitia, Moises preselio 07 Jula 2021, uzrok - oruzani napad
Datum, 14 Juli 2021 wrote: 14/09/2021 14:37 Statement on the arrival of the first batch of COVID-19 vaccines in Haiti

Until yesterday, Haiti was the only country in the Americas without a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Today, 500,000 doses of vaccine donated by the U.S government through COVAX landed in Port-Au-Prince, the capital city of Haiti.
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/s ... ines-haiti

Ljudi gusteri i slucajnosti, zajebana situacija :D no dobro, to su teorije zavjere. Ovo bas nekoj budali moze biti cudno, inace su sasvim normalna desavanja :hmpf:
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Samo pratim progresiju. Kad je Cvrle poceo ovdje, bilo je tipa “nemojte me svrstati u one koji vjeruju u ljude gustere, ja samo kazem da ne znam bih li primio vakcinu”. Par mjeseci kasnije imamo ovo iznad. Dobrodosao u kult Cvrle…
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Ali evo jos gore. Peti anti-vaxer radio voditelj umro od, pogodite, da Covida…
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GandalfSivi wrote: 15/09/2021 05:11 Samo pratim progresiju. Kad je Cvrle poceo ovdje, bilo je tipa “nemojte me svrstati u one koji vjeruju u ljude gustere, ja samo kazem da ne znam bih li primio vakcinu”. Par mjeseci kasnije imamo ovo iznad. Dobrodosao u kult Cvrle…
Što, bolje da mi neko govori sta se desava :D Vise vjerujem tvojim rijecima nego svojim ocima, logicno. A ti ko da si u staklenom zvonu odrastao pa mislis da je nesto nemoguce, bez obzira na kontra argumente. Cetvoro ljudi umrlo, svi imaju istu vezu, jok, teorija zavjere. Kraj price :D

Svi factcheckeri uvezani preko IFCN-a, IFCN kontrolisan od strane Poynter instituta, a ovaj u suradnji sa FB, Googletom i finansiran od strane Open Society, Bilija i Melinde i tako tih filantropa :D Jok, i to je teorija zavjere :D Uvijek ista imena se spominju, vise to nisu teorije zavjere nego realnost. Sve javno, na nekoliko klikova udaljeno.

Previse toga se dogadja i najavljuje da bi sve ovo bilo normalno. Ti mislis da jeste normalno, ja mislim da nije. Ti za mene mislis da sam teoreticar zavjere, ja za tebe mislim da si naivac. A ima i placenika, trabanata. Vrijeme ce pokazati odnosno vec pokazuje. Promjena sistema u najavi, odnosno vec je promijenjen, samo se to zove new normal. Vidjecemo gdje to sve vodi, a ti se tjesi i govori da je sve u redu.
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cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 15/09/2021 05:30
GandalfSivi wrote: 15/09/2021 05:11 Samo pratim progresiju. Kad je Cvrle poceo ovdje, bilo je tipa “nemojte me svrstati u one koji vjeruju u ljude gustere, ja samo kazem da ne znam bih li primio vakcinu”. Par mjeseci kasnije imamo ovo iznad. Dobrodosao u kult Cvrle…
Što, bolje da mi neko govori sta se desava :D Vise vjerujem tvojim rijecima nego svojim ocima, logicno. A ti ko da si u staklenom zvonu odrastao pa mislis da je nesto nemoguce, bez obzira na kontra argumente. Cetvoro ljudi umrlo, svi imaju istu vezu, jok, teorija zavjere. Kraj price :D

Svi factcheckeri uvezani preko IFCN-a, IFCN kontrolisan od strane Poynter instituta, a ovaj u suradnji sa FB, Googletom i finansiran od strane Open Society, Bilija i Melinde i tako tih filantropa :D Jok, i to je teorija zavjere :D Uvijek ista imena se spominju, vise to nisu teorije zavjere nego realnost. Sve javno, na nekoliko klikova udaljeno.

Previse toga se dogadja i najavljuje da bi sve ovo bilo normalno. Ti mislis da jeste normalno, ja mislim da nije. Ti za mene mislis da sam teoreticar zavjere, ja za tebe mislim da si naivac. A ima i placenika, trabanata. Vrijeme ce pokazati odnosno vec pokazuje. Promjena sistema u najavi, odnosno vec je promijenjen, samo se to zove new normal. Vidjecemo gdje to sve vodi, a ti se tjesi i govori da je sve u redu.
A mozda su umrli zato sto su svi redom bili stariji muskarci sa viskom kilograma, koji nisu htjeli da se vakcinisu ili nose maske?

Sta ti oci kazu cvrle, umrli milioni, i dan danas umiru svaki dan, vecinom nevakcinisani, covid je zajebana boljka…

Puk’o si do kraja, necu vise…
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GandalfSivi wrote: 15/09/2021 05:41
cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 15/09/2021 05:30

Što, bolje da mi neko govori sta se desava :D Vise vjerujem tvojim rijecima nego svojim ocima, logicno. A ti ko da si u staklenom zvonu odrastao pa mislis da je nesto nemoguce, bez obzira na kontra argumente. Cetvoro ljudi umrlo, svi imaju istu vezu, jok, teorija zavjere. Kraj price :D

Svi factcheckeri uvezani preko IFCN-a, IFCN kontrolisan od strane Poynter instituta, a ovaj u suradnji sa FB, Googletom i finansiran od strane Open Society, Bilija i Melinde i tako tih filantropa :D Jok, i to je teorija zavjere :D Uvijek ista imena se spominju, vise to nisu teorije zavjere nego realnost. Sve javno, na nekoliko klikova udaljeno.

Previse toga se dogadja i najavljuje da bi sve ovo bilo normalno. Ti mislis da jeste normalno, ja mislim da nije. Ti za mene mislis da sam teoreticar zavjere, ja za tebe mislim da si naivac. A ima i placenika, trabanata. Vrijeme ce pokazati odnosno vec pokazuje. Promjena sistema u najavi, odnosno vec je promijenjen, samo se to zove new normal. Vidjecemo gdje to sve vodi, a ti se tjesi i govori da je sve u redu.
A mozda su umrli zato sto su svi redom bili stariji muskarci sa viskom kilograma, koji nisu htjeli da se vakcinisu ili nose maske?

Sta ti oci kazu cvrle, umrli milioni, i dan danas umiru svaki dan, vecinom nevakcinisani, covid je zajebana boljka…

Puk’o si do kraja, necu vise…
Umrli svi koji su se bunili i protivili i ti ovo pises :D To je objašnjenje :D Jak si :D

Oci mi kazu da se korona koristi da se nesto drugo progura. Dobru krizu nikada ne treba ostaviti neiskoristenu 8-) Genijalno, u sustini :D Nemoguce je tako fakat razmisljas. Ne vjerujem, no dobro, nebitni smo svakako.

Puko je onaj ko ne razmišlja ili ko se plaši, ne spadam u te kategorije :D

haj, imam posla, moram da idem, pozdrav od reptila :mrgreen:
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Svi? Jer je bilo samo pet radio voditelja i vise ih nema.

Smijesan lik…
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GandalfSivi wrote: 15/09/2021 01:15
tindbe wrote: 15/09/2021 00:29

De podijeli i s nama koji nemamo fb.
Necu bas postavljati lica na forum, ali ime je tu, pa ko hoce da protabiri…

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Sto ovoga iz Tanzanije ubise tek kad se vakciniso?
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Ljudi gušteri ne praštaju.
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Ovaj clanak bi iole normalnom insanu trebao biti dovoljan da sabere 2 i 2:
The Meaning of the FDA Resignations

How significant is it that the two top FDA officials responsible for vaccine research resigned last week and this week signed a letter in The Lancet that strongly warns against vaccine boosters? This is a remarkable sign that the project of government-managed virus mitigation is in the final stages before falling apart.

The booster has already been promoted by top lockdown advocates Neil Ferguson of Imperial College and Anthony Fauci of NIH, even in the face of rising public incredulity toward their “expert” advice. For these two FDA officials to go on record with grave doubts – and their perspective is certainly backed by the unimpressive booster experience in Israel – introduces a major break in the narrative that the experts in charge deserve our trust and deference.

What’s at stake here? It’s about more than the boosters. It’s about the whole experience of taking away the control of health management from individuals and medical professionals and handing it over to modelers and government officials with coercive power.

From the first week of March 2020, the US embarked on a wild experiment in virus mitigation, deploying a series of measures with a sweep and scope that had never previously been attempted, not in modern times and not even in ancient times. The litany of controls and tactics is long. Many of these measures survive in most parts of the US. The retail landscape is still filled with plexiglass. We are still invited to sanitize ourselves when going indoors. People still mask up in proximity to others. The “Karens” of the world are still actively shaming and denouncing anyone suspected of non-compliance.

The vaccine push has been particularly divisive, with President Biden actively encouraging “anger” at those who don’t get the jab, even as he refuses to acknowledge the existence of infection-induced immunities. In several cities, people who refuse vaccines are being denied active participation in civic life, and a populist movement is rising up that scapegoats the refuseniks as the only reason that the virus continues to be a problem.

All these measures were deployed in waves of controls. It all began with event cancellations and school closures. It continued with travel bans, most of which are still in place. Sanitization and plexiglass were next. Masks were rolled out and then mandated. The principle of forced human separation governed social interactions. Capacity limits indoors were a common feature. The US example inspired many governments around the world to adopt these NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions) and take away the liberties of the people.

At each stage of control, there were new claims that we’ve finally found the answer, the key technique that would finally slow and stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2. Nothing worked, as the virus seemed to follow its own course regardless of all these measures. Indeed there was no observable difference anywhere in the world based on whether and to what extent any of these measures were deployed.

Finally came the pharmaceutical interventions, voluntary at first but gradually mandatory, just as with each previous protocol began as a recommendation until it was mandated.

At no point in these 19 months have we seen a clear admission of failure on the part of government officials. Indeed, it’s mostly been the opposite, as the agencies double down, claiming effectiveness while citing no data or studies, while social media companies backed it all by taking down contrarian posts and brazenly deleting accounts of people who dare cite dissenting science.

The vaccine was the biggest gamble of all simply because the program was so expensive, so personal, and so wildly oversold. Even those of us who opposed every other mandate had hopes that the vaccines would finally end the public panic and provide governments a way to back out of all the other strategies that had failed.

That did not happen.

Most people believed that the vaccine would work like many others before them to block infection and spread. In this, people were merely believing what the head of the CDC said. “Our data from the C.D.C. today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” Rochelle Walinsky told Rachel Maddow. “And that it’s not just in the clinical trials, it’s also in real-world data.”

“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,”President Biden said, reflecting what was the common view in the summer of 2021.

That of course turned out not to be the case. The vaccines appear to have been helpful in mitigating against some severe outcomes but it did not achieve victory over the virus. Israel’s surge in infections in August was among the fully vaccinated. The same happened in the UK and Scotland, and that precise result began to hit the US in September. Indeed, we all have vaccinated friends who caught the virus and were sick for days. Meanwhile, team natural immunity has received a huge boost from a large study in Israel that demonstrated that recovered Covid cases gain far more protection than is conferred by the vaccine.

The fallback position then became the booster. Surely this is the answer! Israel was first to mandate them. Here again, the problems began to show, as yet another magic bullet of disease mitigation failed. Then the inevitable headline came: Israel preparing for possible fourth COVID vaccine dose. So think about this because there is a sense in which the vaccines rank among the biggest failures: in a matter of a few short months, we’ve gone from the claim that they fully protect to they are pretty okay provided you get regularly scheduled boosters forever.

Now to the striking resignation of two top officials at the FDA who were in charge of vaccine safety and administration. It was the Director and Deputy Director of the Office of Vaccines Research, Marion Gruber and Phillip Kause. They gave no reason for their departure, which is scheduled for October and November.

The case is fascinating because 1) people rarely resign cushy government jobs unless a higher-paying, higher-prestige job in the private sector awaits, or 2) they are being pushed out. It’s rare for anyone in a position like to to resign over a principled matter of science. When I first read that they were going, I figured something else was up.

These days, extremely weird things are going on within the Biden administration. Even though his approval ratings are sinking, the president has to pretend that he has all the answers, that the science behind his mandates and virus war is universally settled, that anyone who disagrees with him is really just a political enemy. He has gone so far as to denounce, demonize, and legally threaten red-state governors who disagree with him.

This is a deep problem for actual scientists working within the bureaucracy because they know for sure that all of this is a pretense and that the government cannot win this war on the virus. They simply cannot preside over more false promises, especially when the whole of their professional training is about accessing the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

So what can they do? In this case, it appears they had to get away before they dropped a bombshell.

The bombshell is called “Considerations in boosting COVID-19 vaccine immune responses.” It appears in the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet. The two top officials are among the authors. The article recommends against the Covid booster shot that the Biden administration, following Fauci’s advice, is suggesting as the key to making the vaccines work better and finally fulfill their promise.

Fauci and company are pushing boosters because they know what is coming. Essentially we are going the way of Israel: most everyone is vaccinated but the virus itself is not being controlled. More and more among those hospitalized and dying are vaccinated. This same trend is coming to the US. The boosters are a means by which government can save face, or so many believe.

The trouble now is that the top scientists at the FDA disagree. Further, they think that the push for boosters is courting problems. They think the current regime of one or two shots is working as well as one can expect. Nothing is gained on net from a booster, they say. There just isn’t enough evidence to take the risk of another booster, and another and another.

The authors knew this article was appearing. They knew that signing it under the FDA affiliation would lead to a push for their resignations. Life would get very difficult for both of them. They got ahead of the messaging and resigned before it came out. Very smart.

The signed article goes even further to warn of possible downsides. They point out that boosters might seem necessary because “variants expressing new antigens have evolved to the point at which immune responses to the original vaccine antigens no longer protect adequately against currently circulating viruses.” At the same time, there are possible side effects that could discredit all vaccines for a generation or more. “There could be risks,” they write, “if boosters are widely introduced too soon, or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side-effects (such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some mRNA vaccines, or Guillain-Barre syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccines.”)

Bringing up such side effects is essentially a taboo topic. That this was written by two top FDA officials is nothing short of remarkable, especially because it comes at a time when the Biden administration is going all in on vaccine mandates. Meanwhile, studies are showing that for teenage boys, the vaccine poses a greater risk to them than Covid itself. “For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly COVID-19 hospitalization.”

From the beginning of these lockdowns – along with all the masks, restrictions, bogus health advice from plexiglass to sanitizer to universal vaccine mandates and so on – it was clear that there would someday be hell to pay. They wrecked rights and liberties, crashed economies, traumatized a whole generation of children and other students, ran roughshod over religious freedom, and for what? There is zero evidence that any of this has made any difference. We are surrounded by the carnage they created.

The appearance of The Lancet article by two top FDA vaccine scientists is truly devastating and revealing because it undermines the last plausible tool to save the whole machinery of government disease management that has been deployed at such enormous social, cultural, and economic cost for 19 months. Not in our lifetimes has a policy failed so badly. The intellectual and political implications here are monumental. It means that the real Covid crisis – the task of assigning responsibility for all the collateral damage – has just begun.

In 2006, during the early years of the birth of lockdown ideology, the great epidemiologist Donald Henderson warned that if any of these restrictive measures were deployed for a pandemic, the result would be a “loss of trust in government” and “a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.” Catastrophe is exactly what has happened. The current regime wants to point the finger toward the noncompliant. That is no longer believable. They cannot delay the inevitable for much longer: responsibility for this catastrophe belongs to those who embarked on this political experiment in the first place.
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I, jos jednom, rijeci rahmetli nobelovca i ravnozemljasa:
"Guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn't know anything, really, about anything and I'd say that to his face. Nothing. The man thinks you could take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it. He doesn't understand electron microscopy and he doesn't understand medicine, he should not be in a position like he's in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don't know anything about what's going on at the bottom. You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They've got a personal kind of agenda, they make up their own rules as they go, they change them when they want to and they smugly, like Tony Fauci, does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera."
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Kome je "mrsko" citati clanak, a jedva ceka 4. booster, mozda je ovo sansa da bude medju prvima:

Israel preparing for possible fourth COVID vaccine dose
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 118814310/
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salik79 wrote: 15/09/2021 08:41 Ovaj clanak bi iole normalnom insanu trebao biti dovoljan da sabere 2 i 2:
https://brownstone.org/articles/the-mea ... ssion=true


I, jos jednom, rijeci rahmetli nobelovca i ravnozemljasa:
"Guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn't know anything, really, about anything and I'd say that to his face. Nothing. The man thinks you could take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it. He doesn't understand electron microscopy and he doesn't understand medicine, he should not be in a position like he's in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don't know anything about what's going on at the bottom. You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They've got a personal kind of agenda, they make up their own rules as they go, they change them when they want to and they smugly, like Tony Fauci, does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera."
Kary Mullis, December 28, 1944-August 7, 2019

Ma ja, nema Fauci pojma.
In a 2021 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 35th most-cited living researcher. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 9th out of 2.5 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and January 2021. During the same period, he ranked 20th out of 2.4 million authors in the field of research & experimental medicine, and 132nd out of 992,000 authors in the field of general & internal medicine.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
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daddy-kool wrote: 15/09/2021 08:52
salik79 wrote: 15/09/2021 08:41 Ovaj clanak bi iole normalnom insanu trebao biti dovoljan da sabere 2 i 2:


https://brownstone.org/articles/the-mea ... ssion=true


I, jos jednom, rijeci rahmetli nobelovca i ravnozemljasa:

Kary Mullis, December 28, 1944-August 7, 2019

Ma ja, nema Fauci pojma.
In a 2021 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 35th most-cited living researcher. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 9th out of 2.5 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and January 2021. During the same period, he ranked 20th out of 2.4 million authors in the field of research & experimental medicine, and 132nd out of 992,000 authors in the field of general & internal medicine.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio


Potpuno isto misljenje o njemu ima i dr. Judy Mikovits (naravno, youtube cenzura):
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salik79 wrote: 15/09/2021 09:01

Potpuno isto misljenje o njemu ima i dr. Judy Mikovits (naravno, youtube cenzura):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

Judy Anne Mikovits (born 1957 or 1958) is an American former research scientist who is known for her discredited medical claims, such as that murine endogenous retroviruses are linked to chronic fatigue syndrome. As an outgrowth of these claims, she has engaged in anti-vaccination activism, promoted conspiracy theories, and been accused of scientific misconduct. She has made false claims about vaccines, COVID-19, and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), among others.

As research director of CFS research organization Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI) from 2006 to 2011, Mikovits led an effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS and might have a causal role. However, following widespread criticism, the paper was retracted on December 22, 2011, by the journal Science. In November 2011, she was arrested and held on charges that she stole laboratory notebooks and a computer from WPI, but she was released after five days and the charges were later dropped.

In 2020, Mikovits promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 pandemic via the internet video Plandemic, which made claims that are either false, or not based on scientific evidence.
Cream of the crop, ne zna se ni kad je rođena?!
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daddy-kool wrote: 15/09/2021 09:08
salik79 wrote: 15/09/2021 09:01

Potpuno isto misljenje o njemu ima i dr. Judy Mikovits (naravno, youtube cenzura):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

Judy Anne Mikovits (born 1957 or 1958) is an American former research scientist who is known for her discredited medical claims, such as that murine endogenous retroviruses are linked to chronic fatigue syndrome. As an outgrowth of these claims, she has engaged in anti-vaccination activism, promoted conspiracy theories, and been accused of scientific misconduct. She has made false claims about vaccines, COVID-19, and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), among others.

As research director of CFS research organization Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI) from 2006 to 2011, Mikovits led an effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS and might have a causal role. However, following widespread criticism, the paper was retracted on December 22, 2011, by the journal Science. In November 2011, she was arrested and held on charges that she stole laboratory notebooks and a computer from WPI, but she was released after five days and the charges were later dropped.

In 2020, Mikovits promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 pandemic via the internet video Plandemic, which made claims that are either false, or not based on scientific evidence.
Cream of the crop, ne zna se ni kad je rođena?!
Ma ja, ravnozemljasica... Nego, da prvo pogledas dokumentarac? Ili da procitas clanak koji postavih iznad?
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