Novi Izborni zakon BiH

[Kolinda]

I da se broji brojčano stanje u normalnoj državi neko sa 15% udia cjelokupnog stanovništva bi bio manjina a ne temeljni narod. Čuj temeljni, to neka nova novohrvatska vratolomija.

Ja kazem neki dan ispasce jos malo da se HVO borio za BiH a ARBiH kontra

Drži se zakona o braniteljima FBIH....sve će ti biti jasno.....

[Kolinda]

Zato što su manjina a ne temeljni narod....njima treba omogućiti da se kandidiraju i ti završava priča....

A jedan covjek jedan glas..nista to ?

Naravno, podržavam ukoliko napravimo dvije izborne jedinice unutar FBIH.....jednu sa bošnjačkom i jednu sa hrvatskom većinom....

[Pandakonda]

A kako se određuje ko je temeljni narod ? Jedan Emerik Blum koji je Jevrej (ostali) je uradio vise za grad Sarajevo nego bilo koji Bosnjak, Srbin ili Hrvat. Uvijek mi je fascinantna bila prica kako je poenta konstitutivnosti da su svi narodi jednaki ma koliko god ih bilo, ali taj elitni klub je samo za 3 naroda. Ostale koliko god da ih je ko ih je..

Kolinda nemoj se blamirat, svaka osoba po evropskim konvencijama mora imati aktivno i pasivno biracko pravo. Ne moze necije brojcano stanje biti iznad osnovnih prava drugih

Kaži to ovim koji su za građansku jer ih je najviše

Imati balans između građanskog i etnickog ne znaci uzimati prava manjinama ma koliko god njih bilo. Mozes biti do sutra protiv građanske drzave, ali se unutar i tog etnickog modela mora pronaci nacin da ostali dobiju svoja prava.

[Kolinda]

Kaži to ovim koji su za građansku jer ih je najviše

Imati balans između građanskog i etnickog ne znaci uzimati prava manjinama ma koliko god njih bilo. Mozes biti do sutra protiv građanske drzave, ali se unutar i tog etnickog modela mora pronaci nacin da ostali dobiju svoja prava.

Slažem se, HNS je riješenje ponudio barem u 5 prijedloga.....probošnjačke stranke samo jednom i to Dino Konaković u Neumu 5 do 12.

[sime_cipol]

Ako Hrvati biraju sebi, Bosnjaci sebi i Srbi sebi, zasto onda i Ostali ne bi izabrali sebi?

Zato što su manjina a ne temeljni narod....njima treba omogućiti da se kandidiraju i ti završava priča....

Gdje u ustavu Pise da su manjina?
Pise 3 konstitutivna naroda i (dobro pazi na ovo) Ostali

[Jordan1961]

Malo ti bilo prvi obrok? Jos gladan? Ono sto si citirao neserco na dvije noge nije presuda. Nego obrazlozenje presude. Razlika......drasticna.
Ali se ni u obrazlozenju presude ni u presudi ne spominje DNFBiH. Koristi se termin "sve administrativne razine". Pa ako je tako onda je rad da se u to ukljuci i Vijece naroda RS. Inace sav trud uzalud.

Misliš predsjedništvo

Kreativni ste u tumacenjima.
Zulja Komsic, a?

[Jordan1961]

A jedan covjek jedan glas..nista to ?

Naravno, podržavam ukoliko napravimo dvije izborne jedinice unutar FBIH.....jednu sa bošnjačkom i jednu sa hrvatskom većinom....

Nece to ici bez promjene Ustava FBiH i BiH.
Evo ja podrzavam jednu izbornu jedinicu i u BiH i u FBiH.

[Spit_fire]

A jedan covjek jedan glas..nista to ?

Naravno, podržavam ukoliko napravimo dvije izborne jedinice unutar FBIH.....jednu sa bošnjačkom i jednu sa hrvatskom većinom....

A da bude jedna na nivou drzave?

[Spit_fire]

Ja kazem neki dan ispasce jos malo da se HVO borio za BiH a ARBiH kontra

Drži se zakona o braniteljima FBIH....sve će ti biti jasno.....

Drzi se ti haskih presuda

[Lex77]

Ali mogu Bećirović i trojka
ČOVIĆEV PORTAL VRATIO "TROJKU" U REALNOST: "Možete u vlast, ali morate ispuniti DVA KLJUČNA USLOVA!"
Šutalo najavljuje da bi HDZ BiH u državnom parlamentu mogao imati čak 5"moguće i 6" poslanika. Navija i da SNSD dobije osam poslanika, što bi bio blok stranaka "bez kojih je nemoguće formirati vlast na nivou države".

Sve je to davno dogovoreno. Čović dobija treći entitet, a Bošnjaci Gazu.

Logično, HDZ daje uslov za koaliciju s Trojkom, bezuslovna koalicija sa SDA.

Ako Trojka ode s njima, onda su izdajnici, ovo-ono.
Ali, ako bude SDA i DF, onda su na braniku države, u vlasti sa HDZ-om samo da bi državu odbranili od HDZ-a.

Prvi Denisov zadatak je mijenjati IZ, naravno, jer to spada u ingerencije Predjedništva, Komšića će svezati u podrumu

Bojim se da u ovome nema razlike između trojke i sda. Svi bi potpisali treci entitet. Čak se i Komšić ušutio. Niti da spomene kakvu tužbu ESLJP. Opet je Bosna šaptom pala.
Zasad je jedino Irfan Čengić rekao da je odluka zlonamjerna i savršeno odgovara daljnjim blokadama.
Treba i onu nobelovku Jasmilu pitati što je to bilo toliko dobro na večeri sa fašistom da se posrala na narod i državu?

[Str0nz]

Sve objasnjeno SAD i UK ovo uradili protiv volje i iza ledja vecine PICa/Kvinte preko Schmidta.
Izgovori za nametanje su lazi, fakticki je supratno, itd.

US Reinvests in Ethnic Oligarchy in Bosnia, Abandoning Support for Integration



A little more than an hour after polling stations closed in Bosnia’s Oct. 2 elections, at American instigation (and with only British support among leading Western powers), international High Representative Christian Schmidt imposed changes to both the country’s election law and the Constitution of one of its two entities, the Federation. The stated intent was to improve government functionality and to respect a Bosnian Constitutional Court ruling, and the specific mechanisms of the orders were different from his earlier proposal that had elicited public – and international – outcry when it was first leaked in late July.

But the essence of the move – and its apparent motivation – remain the same: to appease a single ethnonationalist party – the BiH branch of the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ), the hardline wartime political party that again has controlled neighboring Croatia in recent years and has agitated for this change for years as a singular foreign policy goal.

Schmidt’s action not only represents a retreat from American policy to promote greater integration in Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH). It also demonstrates a continuity in U.S. policy toward the Balkans from the avowedly amoral and transactional approach of the Trump administration. Bosnia’s vibrant and progressive civil society leaders, who have pressed for a BiH constitutional system fully inclusive of people who don’t identify with one of the three ethnonationalist groups, view Schmidt’s order, correctly, as a betrayal of U.S. support for ensuring individual rights (including as ordered in numerous European Court of Human Rights rulings). Instead, it cements the oligarchic status quo enshrined in the Dayton Peace Agreement that ended the war of the 1990s but has gripped BiH in dysfunction for most of the time since then.

Schmidt’s order and the way it was developed and rolled out also shows that, far from the theme of transatlantic unity of purpose that U.S. President Joe Biden had touted with his “America is back” message to allies, the real message to Europe in Bosnia is “America calls the shots,” much as was the case with the shameful and chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Germany, in particular, was railroaded on this matter. The EU collectively gritted its teeth and – diplomatically though pointedly – distanced itself from the High Rep’s imposition. The U.S. thereby instrumentalized the need to project democratic unity in the wake of Ukraine in order to jam its allies for a deliverable “win.” Meet America-first, Biden style. This is quite different from the still-evident need for American leadership in the West – catalyzing a new policy – and pursuing it together with allies.

Election Eve Timing

The timing is insidious. The original plan in July would have violated European and international conventions on political rights; but changing the rules of the game immediately after the close of voting not only doubles down on that proposal but also makes a mockery of BiH citizens’ rights to vote and stand for office.

Schmidt’s insistence that the package “only relates to the post-election establishment of indirectly elected bodies” is misleading, apparently to mollify public opinion, as those bodies are the center of the Dayton system’s ethnic power-sharing decision-making. His package actually strengthens those mechanisms, embodied in the Federation’s upper parliamentary chamber, the House of Peoples, that represents the three “constituent peoples” – collectivities of the three main ethnic groups in Bosnia – plus to a smaller degree all those BiH citizens who don’t identify as such. Despite some limited cosmetic changes to the original proposal, the substance and rationale of the intervention in BiH’s political and electoral system remain unchanged.

The stated reasoning was to thwart efforts by HDZ BiH and its party president and former member of the tripartite Bosnian Presidency, Dragan Čović, to block the implementation of election results in the majority Bosniak and Croat Federation, one of two entities with the majority-Serb Republika Srpska that were established in the Dayton Accords. Čović had threatened steps that would have created an institutional-constitutional crisis by blocking post-election implementation of their results if the party’s demands to ensure its domination through the electoral system remain unmet.

Schmidt’s imposition eliminates the mechanisms by which the HDZ BiH could generate such blockage. But in return for removing this HDZ BiH structural leverage, the High Representative maintains two elements of the July proposal aimed at placating HDZ BiH by partially conceding to its ethnonationalist demands and strengthening its weight in the upper chambers vis-à-vis political challengers.

Reinforcing HDZ’s Grip

One of those elements relates to a 2016 ruling by the Constitutional Court of BiH in a case brought by Božo Ljubić, leader of the HDZ 1990 splinter party, who argued that a 2002 High Representative imposition (to enforce a 2000 Constitutional Court ruling) unfairly reduced Croat representation. The controversial 3 percent proposal initially tabled by Schmidt this summer is replaced now by raising the number of delegates of the caucuses representing the dominant ethnic groups in Bosnia – Bosniak (Muslim), Croat, and Serb — in the Federation House of Peoples from 17 to 23. This change achieves the same desired result: increasing of the share of delegates in the Croat caucus who are elected from cantons in the HDZ BiH stronghold of Western Herzegovina.

Previously, the Office of the High Representative (OHR) had held the position that the Ljubić ruling had already been implemented with a Central Election Commission decision in 2018 – a position that was subsequently confirmed by the Constitutional Court. This limited the damage the 2016 ruling had done to the Federation constitutional order by the political hijacking of the Court that had enabled the Ljubić ruling.

With this new provision, the OHR makes a pro-HDZ U-turn from its previously articulated position. Even more perfidiously, the high representative is trying to sell this provision as a strengthening of minority rights by arguing that the rights of “other” nationalities/ethnicities in BiH are expanded because their caucus in the Federation House of Peoples will be enlarged from 7 delegates to 11.

The second appeasement provision relates to the strengthening of the HDZ’s grip over the election of the Federation president (and through it of the government) in the House of Peoples (HoP). The threshold required to nominate a candidate for Federation president has been raised, from 6 of 17 members (35.3%) to 11 of 23 members (47,8%). This is even slightly higher than the threshold proposed in July (8 of 17, or 47%) – moving from just over a third to nearly half of members, magnifying HDZ leverage.

An End Run Around Opposition

In contrast with the July proposal, this latest Schmidt package, pushed by the United States and supported by the U.K., was not shared in advance with the other members of the international Peace Implementation Council, which oversees OHR and is charged with implementing the Dayton Peace Agreement. The order was imposed without the support of any other PIC Steering Board members. Germany had informed Schmidt that it did not support him imposing it. Schmidt’s imposition of the amendment package thus represents a historic low point in the unity of the West’s post-war policy in BiH. It is highly damaging on numerous levels.

First, it gives in to blackmail, rewarding the HDZ’s threat and its successful past instrumentalization of legal structures (such as the Ljubić decision) in a shortsighted – and ultimately futile (more on that later) – effort to prevent a post-election crisis. It thereby continues a failed Western policy of accommodating agendas of BiH’s ethnonationalists, which seem determined to divide Bosnia and perhaps even subdivide it, as hardline Serb make noise about secession and their Croat counterparts request a third, separate Croat entity.

Instead of reining them in, the West is undercutting core liberal democratic values and principles in the name of expedience and in favor of pacification. The last two years of U.S. and EU negotiations for “election law reforms,” aimed at accommodating Čović represent the depths of this history. By declaring progress while imposing regression, the international community signals to ethnocrats that their disintegrative agendas could define not just Western policy, but BiH’s present and future.

Second, the aim of forestalling crisis through appeasement will fail even on its own terms. In BiH’s oligarchic power-sharing system, no institutional regulation has the power to counteract deliberate political obstructionism. Institutionally empowering ruling ethnonationalist elites based on an ethnic, one-party-system mindset certainly will not achieve that desired effect.

Third, contrary to Schmidt’s statement, this imposition does not open the path to further election-law reforms that are sorely needed to restore the franchise to Bosnians who don’t identify as part of one of the ethnonationalist groups (“constituent peoples”). That would require implementation of multiple rulings by the European Court of Human Rights invalidating the elements of the BiH constitution that grant exclusive supremacy to those three groups, specifically the court decisions in Sejdić-Finci and Zornić.

In fact, Schmidt’s actions will have the opposite effect. While those rulings demand a shift of balance between collective ethnic and individual rights in favor of individual rights, the high representative’s changes to the political and electoral system deepen the ethnic and ethnoterritorial divisions within the system.

Damaging the Still-Necessary OHR

A fourth way the Schmidt order is damaging is toward the institution of the OHR itself. This does more damage than has been done over the years by any of his predecessors or those PIC members that have been pushing for a decade and a half for the closure of the OHR. From now on, defending the institution of the OHR – which is needed, with a military deterrent, to keep the peace and support progress in Bosnia so long as Dayton holds sway – means not only defending it against those actors, but apparently now even against the cynical posture of the United States, the U.K., and the High Representative himself.

Fifth, the bullying performance of the Biden administration strongly echoes the values-neutral “let’s make a deal” attitude of the Trump administration and its envoy Richard Grenell’s push for a Kosovo-Serbia land swap. The U.S. support of the Schmidt order is apparently led by mid-level rungs in the State Department pushing him to impose a package against the will of all EU PIC Steering Board members (with only Croatian support) and against his own German government’s position.

The current German government also bears responsibility. Berlin, which finances a core of German advisors to Schmidt, did not assertively resist his move publicly, arguing for its own policy of not promoting further division in BiH. Now would be the time for Berlin to demand the 360° policy review on BiH and wider Balkan policy that is long overdue for the West – and to conduct its own. Bundestag deputies who have been vocal advocates of a principled policy toward BiH and the Balkans need to lead the way for the government of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

Numerous members of the European Parliament have voiced their disagreement with Schmidt’s actions, with Austrian Green MEP Thomas Waitz calling it a “slap in the face of voters.” This sordid episode also ought to prompt long-overdue reflection in Washington and London, where legislators have in the past months voiced concerns with the direction of policy in Bosnia and in the Western Balkans more broadly.

The current U.S. and European policies are incongruent with the posture that the liberal democratic West has adopted following Russia’s escalation of its irredentist war against Ukraine on Feb. 24. They cannot maintain moral credibility by accommodating primordial nationalism in the Balkans – and in the EU and NATO – while rightly confronting it in Ukraine. Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken should see this episode as an indicator of a U.S. policy that has gone dangerously astray – and needs to be rethought from first principles, together with allies. Until they do, the United States is effectively pursuing a policy that actually serves its geopolitical adversaries, rather than challenging them.

https://www.justsecurity.org/83373/us-r ... tegration/

[Str0nz]

@Lex77 DF su najavili da pomno analiziraju izborni zakon i da ce dati izjavu, Komsic rekao iza izbora a prije neki dan Begic na hayatu (ima oba klipa na yt). Kaze da nije bitno ko god to gurao (Amerika) ali se nece pristajati na daljnju palestinizaciju i aparthejdizaciju, bukvalno koristio te rijeci. Pametno/podlo je ovo nacista odigrao, ako bi postojala nagrada za podlog gada godine ide njemu i ovima koji ga podrzavaju iz MZ (SAD, UK, EK, EPP, itd.).

Modus operandi; zavadi, okreni jedne protiv drugi, kupi izdajnike i onda podjeli kada su vecina distrahirana (izbori). Isto kao sto se radi Palestincima, ocigledno jos od Palmerovog Non-papera gdje je pisalo da se "pro-Bosnjacke" stranke treba podjeliti i uvjeriti potrebnu vecinu da pristanu. Isto radi Schmidt, cijelo ovo vrijeme i ne bira samo kojim se politicarima dogovara i koje ignorise nego i iz civilnog drustva, kao sto si vec spomenuo Jasmilu ali evo ovo je jos gore. Procitaj komentare ispod, dosta govore, nestvarno razocarenje. To oni koji su do neki dan zvali na proteste i vikali no pasaran:





Pogledaj kako su iskoristeni kao k*nd*m u PR srvhu i odbaceni, nikada vise nece biti pozvani, svoju ulogu u njegovoj agendi su odradili, sada su ponovo nepozeljni. Citao sam da je zvao i druge koji su organizovali proteste, neki su ga odbili, tada je prijetio i vrijedazao ali izgleda da je vecini prodao suplju.

P.S, fina porodicna fotografija trojke, samo fali Schmidt, a Covic vjerovatno drzi kameru.

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[Lex77]

@Lex77 DF su najavili da pomno analiziraju izborni zakon i da ce dati izjavu, Komsic rekao iza izbora a prije neki dan Begic na hayatu (ima oba klipa na yt). Kaze da nije bitno ko god to gurao (Amerika) ali se nece pristajati na daljnju palestinizaciju i aparthejdizaciju, bukvalno koristio te rijeci. Pametno/podlo je ovo nacista odigrao, ako bi postojala nagrada za podlog gada godine ide njemu i ovima koji ga podrzavaju iz MZ (SAD, UK, EK, EPP, itd.).

Modus operandi; zavadi, okreni jedne protiv drugi, kupi izdajnike i onda podjeli kada su vecina distrahirana (izbori). Isto kao sto se radi Palestincima, ocigledno jos od Palmerovog Non-papera gdje je pisalo da se "pro-Bosnjacke" stranke treba podjeliti i uvjeriti potrebnu vecinu da pristanu. Isto radi Schmidt, cijelo ovo vrijeme i ne bira samo kojim se politicarima dogovara i koje ignorise nego i iz civilnog drustva, kao sto si vec spomenuo Jasmilu ali evo ovo je jos gore. Procitaj komentare ispod, dosta govore, nestvarno razocarenje. To oni koji su do neki dan zvali na proteste i vikali no pasaran:





Pogledaj kako su iskoristeni kao k*nd*m u PR srvhu i odbaceni, nikada vise nece biti pozvani, svoju ulogu u njegovoj agendi su odradili, sada su ponovo nepozeljni. Citao sam da je zvao i druge koji su organizovali proteste, neki su ga odbili, tada je prijetio i vrijedazao ali izgleda da je vecini prodao suplju.

P.S, fina porodicna fotografija trojke, samo fali Schmidt, a Covic vjerovatno drzi kameru.

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Znači to se objavljuje jučer? Mislim na Krug 99.
Jesu li ti ljudi totalno poludjeli? Ili su primili pare?

[JohnnyS]

A ja sam mislio da onaj pekar iz Bundestaga može biti uvodničar na sesiji Kruga 99, kad vidi ovo

[sime_cipol]

Ovi iz Zagreba vise protiv Smita nego Sarajevo

[HD_2015]

I da se broji brojčano stanje u normalnoj državi neko sa 15% udia cjelokupnog stanovništva bi bio manjina a ne temeljni narod. Čuj temeljni, to neka nova novohrvatska vratolomija.

Ja kazem neki dan ispasce jos malo da se HVO borio za BiH a ARBiH kontra

Neće to nikada ispasti. Breme UZP-a je tu i nikada se neće skinuti.

[Spit_fire]

Ja kazem neki dan ispasce jos malo da se HVO borio za BiH a ARBiH kontra

Neće to nikada ispasti. Breme UZP-a je tu i nikada se neće skinuti.

Ma mislim u glavama UZP pobornika

[Truba]

HVO se borio za svoju verziju BiH

dio se branio da odbrani živote
drugi dio se branio za priključenje hrvatskoj
treći je bio nasilno mobiliziran

s obzirom da dobivaju državne mirovine i za pale bojovnike

oni su branitelji federacije BiH a samim i tim BIH

kratki dio sukoba (oko 25% vremena na samo jednom dijelu fbih) je zanemarljiv u konačnici sporazuma splita vašingtona i dejtona

[BAK-eV]

HVO se borio za svoju verziju BiH

dio se branio da odbrani živote
drugi dio se branio za priključenje hrvatskoj
treći je bio nasilno mobiliziran

s obzirom da dobivaju državne mirovine i za pale bojovnike

oni su branitelji federacije BiH a samim i tim BIH

kratki dio sukoba (oko 25% vremena na samo jednom dijelu fbih) je zanemarljiv u konačnici sporazuma splita vašingtona i dejtona

HVO je kao neki kriminalac, koji napravi sporazum sa sudom, jer je to opet bolje za drustvo, nego da bude dugo u zatvoru.
Onda izadje na slobodu, radi, zaradjuje, prima penziju.
Ali kao kriminalac.

Probaj jednom takvom dati kcerku, braticnu, da se uda za njega.

Neces!

Tako je i sa HVO!

[Jordan1961]

HVO se borio za svoju verziju BiH

A kakva je ta verzija bila, najbolje se vidi iz haskih presuda. Sve dokazano izvan razumne sumnje.

[BAK-eV]

HVO se borio za svoju verziju BiH

A kakva je ta verzija bila, najbolje se vidi iz haskih presuda. Sve dokazano izvan razumne sumnje.

Borio se za ponizavanje drugih.
Inace bi dozvolio recimo, da Bosnjaci u Capljini, Livnu, Ljubuskom osnuju jedinice ARBiH.
Ali jok!
HVO im je to zabranio!

Cak je proglasio poste, sume, struju, puteve hrvatskim.

I kazu sad, svi smo konstitutivni

[Truba]

HVO se borio za svoju verziju BiH

A kakva je ta verzija bila, najbolje se vidi iz haskih presuda. Sve dokazano izvan razumne sumnje.

takodjer se vidi da je 99% pripadnika HVO dobilo povlašteni staž ili invaliske mirovine te porodice palih
ti o kome pričaš su 1% možda i manje u odnosu na broj bojovnika

šuplja priča zbog 100-ak ljudi cijeli narod ocrniti pardon cijelu vojsku

dakle šuplja priča i spinovanje

[Truba]

HVO se borio za svoju verziju BiH

dio se branio da odbrani živote
drugi dio se branio za priključenje hrvatskoj
treći je bio nasilno mobiliziran

s obzirom da dobivaju državne mirovine i za pale bojovnike

oni su branitelji federacije BiH a samim i tim BIH

kratki dio sukoba (oko 25% vremena na samo jednom dijelu fbih) je zanemarljiv u konačnici sporazuma splita vašingtona i dejtona

HVO je kao neki kriminalac, koji napravi sporazum sa sudom, jer je to opet bolje za drustvo, nego da bude dugo u zatvoru.
Onda izadje na slobodu, radi, zaradjuje, prima penziju.
Ali kao kriminalac.

Probaj jednom takvom dati kcerku, braticnu, da se uda za njega.

Neces!

Tako je i sa HVO!

službena vojska koja je inkorporirana u VFBIH i OS BIH
vidi se po insignijama, imenima bojni u OS-u BiH imenima vojaka i generala te šahovnicama na zastavama pojedinih bojni

tako da i ovo ti je šuplja idealistička priča iz 1993
kulina bana vojska je vojska je a čija nije nek ide nek ide to se pjevalo 1992.

[Jordan1961]

A kakva je ta verzija bila, najbolje se vidi iz haskih presuda. Sve dokazano izvan razumne sumnje.

takodjer se vidi da je 99% pripadnika HVO dobilo povlašteni staž ili invaliske mirovine te porodice palih
ti o kome pričaš su 1% možda i manje u odnosu na broj bojovnika

šuplja priča zbog 100-ak ljudi cijeli narod ocrniti pardon cijelu vojsku

dakle šuplja priča i spinovanje

Pa jesu li tih "100-ak" ljudi zlocinci ili uznici?
I kako da se oni ostali koji su ocrnjeni od ovih "100-ak" istih ne odreknu nego im se priredjuju prijeme nakon odsluzenja zatvorskih kazni i slave maltene kao svece?

[Jordan1961]

A kakva je ta verzija bila, najbolje se vidi iz haskih presuda. Sve dokazano izvan razumne sumnje.

takodjer se vidi da je 99% pripadnika HVO dobilo povlašteni staž ili invaliske mirovine te porodice palih
ti o kome pričaš su 1% možda i manje u odnosu na broj bojovnika

šuplja priča zbog 100-ak ljudi cijeli narod ocrniti pardon cijelu vojsku

dakle šuplja priča i spinovanje

Suplja ti logika. Presuplja.
Iz budzeta RH su se placale ili placaju mirovine domobranima iz II. svjetskog rata. No to ne mijenja cinjenicu da je ta vojska bila suradnik tj. saveznik okupacionih snaga (zlobnici kao ja bi rekli kvislinzi).
O karakteru HVO, mozes procitati u haskim presudama na koje sam te ranije uputio.
A tu pricu o penzijicama ostavi za neku drugu priliku.