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#1826 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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apsidejzi wrote: 28/09/2020 13:21 Nas prvak Bakir I. na strani Azerbejdzana. :bih: :bih: :bih:
naprosto tjera ljude na stranu armena :D
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Armenci su zuzeli Gorski Karabah zbog problema u vojsci Azerbejdžana, odnosno zbog njihovih unutarnjih sukoba, dok su oni to riješili, ovi su oblast poklopili i jop ušli i van oblasti.
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#1828 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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neki wrote: 28/09/2020 13:20 Recimo Azeri sad oslobode NK i vrate ga u UP poredak Azerbejdžana..
1. Mislite da će se ijedan od Azera protjeranih prije 30 godina vratiti?
2. Mislite li da će ikad biti mira u NK u kojem ostanu živjeti Armeni pod Azerskom vlašću? Ili se nadate protjerivanju Armena na način na koji su to i sami uradili Azerima prije 30 godina?
Ukratko kakav bi NK bio ako ga Azeri oslobode???
nece biti genocidan kao sada to je jedino sigurno.
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neki wrote: 28/09/2020 13:20 Recimo Azeri sad oslobode NK i vrate ga u UP poredak Azerbejdžana..
1. Mislite da će se ijedan od Azera protjeranih prije 30 godina vratiti?
2. Mislite li da će ikad biti mira u NK u kojem ostanu živjeti Armeni pod Azerskom vlašću? Ili se nadate protjerivanju Armena na način na koji su to i sami uradili Azerima prije 30 godina?
Ukratko kakav bi NK bio ako ga Azeri oslobode???
Nek' bude prazan ako treba, al' se teritorija mora vratiti kad tad.

Ne kažem da ih treba pobiti vec nazad za Armeniju.
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#1830 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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neki wrote: 28/09/2020 13:20 Recimo Azeri sad oslobode NK i vrate ga u UP poredak Azerbejdžana..
1. Mislite da će se ijedan od Azera protjeranih prije 30 godina vratiti?
2. Mislite li da će ikad biti mira u NK u kojem ostanu živjeti Armeni pod Azerskom vlašću? Ili se nadate protjerivanju Armena na način na koji su to i sami uradili Azerima prije 30 godina?
Ukratko kakav bi NK bio ako ga Azeri oslobode???
Milim da im nije cilj da ove projeraju, nego da vrate pod svoju kapu, uz određenu autonomiju, slično kao što ima Dagestan u Rusiji, ili Čečenija.
90minut wrote: 28/09/2020 13:26
neki wrote: 28/09/2020 13:20 Recimo Azeri sad oslobode NK i vrate ga u UP poredak Azerbejdžana..
1. Mislite da će se ijedan od Azera protjeranih prije 30 godina vratiti?
2. Mislite li da će ikad biti mira u NK u kojem ostanu živjeti Armeni pod Azerskom vlašću? Ili se nadate protjerivanju Armena na način na koji su to i sami uradili Azerima prije 30 godina?
Ukratko kakav bi NK bio ako ga Azeri oslobode???
Nek' bude prazan ako treba, al' se teritorija mora vratiti kad tad.

Ne kažem da ih treba pobiti vec nazad za Armeniju.
Pa nisu došli iz Armenije, tu su i prije živjeli.
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#1831 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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_Reds_ wrote: 28/09/2020 13:26
Pa nisu došli iz Armenije, tu su i prije živjeli.
Mrsko mi googlati, ali cio spor oko Nagorno-Karabaha je sovjetsko maslo.
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#1832 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Uglavnom bice ovdje 15 gore dole drži nedaj situacija treba sacekati 15tak dana tad ce se znati sve kako treba i ko gdje stoji ako potraje do tada, a previše je krvi proliveno da ne potraje.
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#1833 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 11:29
pyrocool1 wrote: 28/09/2020 11:27 Pitanje za ovu dvojicu portparola Azerbejdzana na forumu. Zasto toliko podrzavate azere u ovome?
podrzavam tursku u regionalnim konflktima, posljedicno i azerbejdzan, inace isto prijateljska zemlja bosne i hercegovine?

koga ti podrzavas?
Na osnovu čega je Azerbejdžan prijateljska zemlja BiH? Jer su Azeri muslimani? Neka to bude tvoje subjektivno mišljenje. Ako je to razlog onda je prijateljska zemlja turkofilima poput tebe. Ni jedna od te dvije zemlje nije nešto posebno prijateljska. Vidim pišeš da podržavaš sve konflikte u regiji u kojima učestvuje Turska. Znači podržavaš tursku agresiju na Siriju, Irak i ranije invaziju na Kipar. U ovom sukobu Izrael šalje oružje Azerbejdžanu preko Turske. Znači da Izrael i Turska podržavaju istu stranu u sukobu ali ti ne podržavaš Izrael.
Nagorno Karabah je jermenska teritorija koju je Staljin igrajući se prekrajanja granica dodijelio Azerbejdžanu. Isto kao i kasnije Hruščov kada je Krim dodijelio Ukrajini pa je povratak Krima nazad Rusiji licemjerni Zapad okarakterisao kao aneksiju.
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#1834 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Prekrajanje ili ne Armeni su okupatori i oduvijek su bili krvoločni baš kao i turci.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hocali+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

UN kaže ako imate snage vratit svoju teritoriju sve ostalo šuplja prica.
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#1835 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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90minut wrote: 28/09/2020 13:26
neki wrote: 28/09/2020 13:20 Recimo Azeri sad oslobode NK i vrate ga u UP poredak Azerbejdžana..
1. Mislite da će se ijedan od Azera protjeranih prije 30 godina vratiti?
2. Mislite li da će ikad biti mira u NK u kojem ostanu živjeti Armeni pod Azerskom vlašću? Ili se nadate protjerivanju Armena na način na koji su to i sami uradili Azerima prije 30 godina?
Ukratko kakav bi NK bio ako ga Azeri oslobode???
Nek' bude prazan ako treba, al' se teritorija mora vratiti kad tad.

Ne kažem da ih treba pobiti vec nazad za Armeniju.
Armenci u Karabahu žive dugo koliko i Armenci u Armeniji. Kud da idu? Osim njih tu je živio i određen broj Azera i Kurda. I jedni i drugi su protjerani tokom rata. Armenci su nakon 1994. pokušali doseliti neke Armence u Karabah, ali s veoma ograničenim uspjehom. Azeri su isto tako, nakon što je Karabah dobio autonomiju, pokušali doseliti određen broj Azera u Karabah, ali je oblast i dalje ostala dominantno armenska.
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#1836 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Mogu i ostati zna se pod cijom palicom.

https://nationofturks.com/one-of-the-mo ... li-kulebi/
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#1837 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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atmel wrote: 28/09/2020 13:15
dječak sa šibicama wrote: 28/09/2020 12:36 Mozda su vicni ratovanju, ali ne u vukojebinama i planinama gorskog karabaha.

Na tim planinama njihova nadmocna tehnika ne vrijedi mnogo. Na sjevernoj granici Artsakha oni se mlate ne na planinama vec na glecerima.
Jučer si napisao, da jedu lišće i piju vodu kišnicu. U jebote, mi smo za vrijeme rata jeli otučke od kukuruza i pušili lišće, kad si otišao u ćenifu i vidio šta je onaj prije tebe posrao, sama bukova piljevina, ko da si drva žago. Ne znam dali je to utjecalo, da smo bili bolji borci, znam samo, da smo bili gladni. Nije to Rambo film.
Malo si pomijesao, ovdje govorim o Azerima.

Sto se tice Armena, sve dostupno na YT. Nisu rambo filmovi vec kratki dokumentarac za armensku dijasporu, ne jedu lisce jer su zajebani vec sto na tim glecerima nisu imali logistiku dok sa godinama nisu prokopali ceste do cuka i planinskih vrhova, rijec je o ljudima koji zive na tim planinama i snalaze se kako znaju.
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#1838 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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neko_sa_strane wrote: 28/09/2020 13:35
The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 11:29
pyrocool1 wrote: 28/09/2020 11:27 Pitanje za ovu dvojicu portparola Azerbejdzana na forumu. Zasto toliko podrzavate azere u ovome?
podrzavam tursku u regionalnim konflktima, posljedicno i azerbejdzan, inace isto prijateljska zemlja bosne i hercegovine?

koga ti podrzavas?
Na osnovu čega je Azerbejdžan prijateljska zemlja BiH? Jer su Azeri muslimani? Neka to bude tvoje subjektivno mišljenje. Ako je to razlog onda je prijateljska zemlja turkofilima poput tebe. Ni jedna od te dvije zemlje nije nešto posebno prijateljska. Vidim pišeš da podržavaš sve konflikte u regiji u kojima učestvuje Turska. Znači podržavaš tursku agresiju na Siriju, Irak i ranije invaziju na Kipar. U ovom sukobu Izrael šalje oružje Azerbejdžanu preko Turske. Znači da Izrael i Turska podržavaju istu stranu u sukobu ali ti ne podržavaš Izrael.
Nagorno Karabah je jermenska teritorija koju je Staljin igrajući se prekrajanja granica dodijelio Azerbejdžanu. Isto kao i kasnije Hruščov kada je Krim dodijelio Ukrajini pa je povratak Krima nazad Rusiji licemjerni Zapad okarakterisao kao aneksiju.
na osnovu donacija i projekata koje su realizovali u bih. to nije moje subjektivno misljenje nego cinjenica. to sto si islamofob tu ti ne mogu pomoci, zalim slucaj. turska nije izvrsila nikakvu agresiju na siriju i irak nego provodi antiteroristicke operacije u skladu sa postojecim sporazumima, kao sto je i po un planu zastitila kiparske turke, inforrmisi se mimo svojih predrasuda prema turcima i muslimanima opcenito. izrael salje oruzje i armencima kad plate, tako da ne vidim nista sporno, ne podrzavam izrael u okupaciji palestiniskih teritorija kao svaki normalan i civilizovani covjek. nagorno karabah je teritorja medjunarodno priznate republike azezbejdzan sa koje je protjerano milion azera i pobijeno desetine hiljada ljudi i jerevan je nekad bio revan pa to niko ne potrazuje, armenci su megalomani i necivilizovana banda koja se ne umije ponasati po medjunarodnim normama i zrtve su svoje sopstvene mitomanije. eto ti jedna besplatna lekcija da nesto naucis.
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#1839 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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svejedno danasnja tehnologija pogotovu ova sa neba donoci premoc. ko drzi nebo nosi i rat...
to pod uslovom da se nastavi.
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#1840 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 13:16
Sintor wrote: 28/09/2020 13:14
The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 12:32 krscanski dzihadisti postaju isto ko da armenci ne ginu...-
Lijece jbne frustracije :D

Uvjek im je ono ???? ( u ovom slucaju azeri) = turci = bosnjaci :D
jedan od rijetko jasnih konflikata gdje je na strani azera apsolutno sve, pravo, pravda, un, kurci palci ali dzaba buna protiv dahija i to...
Međunarodno pravo je i na strani nekih drugih zemalja ali nije izvodivo.
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#1841 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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90minut wrote: 28/09/2020 13:39 Prekrajanje ili ne Armeni su okupatori i oduvijek su bili krvoločni baš kao i turci.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hocali+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

UN kaže ako imate snage vratit svoju teritoriju sve ostalo šuplja prica.
Stvarno? U tom slučaju su i Albanci na Kosovu okupatori ali većina forumaša svršava od sreće kada vlast u Prištini provodi jednostrane mjere ili kada je Kosovo uvelo takse na robu iz Srbije ali i iz BiH forumaši su podržali tu odluku iako se odnosila i na BiH. Podrška dolazi zbog zavisti što su se Albanci "riješili Srba" a Bošnjaci dijele teritoriju sa Srbima i Hrvatima a najradije bi da nema ni jednih ni drugih.
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#1842 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Sve što su dronovi pokazali su taj prvi nalet gdje su Jermene uhvatili spuštenih gaća.

Slabo ima snimaka, ako se zna da svaki nosi kvalitetnu kameru.

Ovo ide u pat i klanje u poziciji.
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#1843 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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S obzirom na mrznju izmedju ta dva naroda, te sta se desilo sa Armencima u Bakuu pocetkom devedesetih (sa 16% stanovnistva otisli na 0%), ne vjerujem da ce ijedan Armenac ostati u NK u slucaju njegovog zauzimanja. U najboljem slucaju masovna bjezanija i izbjeglistvo, u najgorem (ako ih opkole) Srebrenica.

Evo jednog svjedocenja iz prve ruke koji je prikupila nobelovka Svetlana Alexievich u svojoj dokumentarnoj knjizi o raspadu SSSR-a, pripovjeda Armenka udana za Azerbejdzanca.
The bloodbath in Baku went on for several weeks. Or at least that’s what some people say, others say it was longer…They didn’t just kill Armenians, they also killed the people who hid them. My Azerbaijani friend hid me, she had a husband and two kids. One day…I swear! I’ll come back to Baku and bring my daughter to their house: “This is your second mother, daughter.” They had these thick drapes…thick as a coat…They’d had them sewn especially for me. At night, I would come down from the attic for an hour or two…We spoke in whispers, but I absolutely had to be talked to. Everyone understood: They needed to talk to me so that I wouldn’t go dumb and lose my mind. So that I wouldn’t miscarry or start wailing in the night like an animal.

I remember our conversations very well. Afterward, I would spend all day up in the attic going over them in my head. I was alone…All I saw was a thin ribbon of sky through a crack…

“…They stopped old Lazar in the street and started beating him…‘I’m a Jew,’ he insisted. By the time they found his passport, he was already seriously injured.”

“…People get killed for their money and just because…They seek out the homes of well-off Armenians…”

“…They killed everyone who lived in this one building…The youngest girl climbed a tree to escape…so they shot at her like she was a little bird. It’s hard to see at night, they couldn’t get her for a long time, it made them angry…They kept firing. Finally, she fell at their feet…”
I was eight months pregnant. My due date was coming up. On nights when I was in pain, we’d call an ambulance, but as soon as they heard my Armenian last name, they’d hang up on us. They wouldn’t accept us into any maternity clinics, not the neighborhood one…not anywhere. They’d open my passport and right away, it was, “Sorry, no room.” No room! Nowhere and no way, simply no way. My mother found an old midwife, a Russian woman, one who had helped her give birth a long, long time ago…She found her living in a small village on the edge of town. Her name was Anna…I don’t remember her patronymic. Once a week, she’d come to our house, examine me, and tell us that labor wouldn’t be easy. My contractions started in the middle of the night…Abulfaz ran out to flag a cab, we couldn’t reach one by phone. The taxi driver came and saw me: “What is she, Armenian?” “She’s my wife.” “I’m not taking you anywhere.” My husband broke down in tears. He took out his wallet and waved all his money at the man, his entire month’s pay: “Take it…I’ll give you everything…Just save my wife and child.” We got in the car…all of us…My mother came, too. We went to the village where Anna lived, to the hospital where she worked part-time. To supplement her pension. She had been waiting for us; they put me on the table immediately. I was in labor for a long time, seven hours…There were two of us giving birth that night: me and an Azerbaijani woman. They only had one pillow, and they gave it to her, so my head was very low the whole time, in a painful and uncomfortable position…My mother stood in the doorway. They kept trying to kick her out, but she wouldn’t leave. What if they tried to steal the baby… What if? Anything could have happened…In those days, anything was possible. I gave birth to a girl…They only brought her to me once, showed her to me, and then they wouldn’t bring her again. They let the other mothers, all Azerbaijani, breastfeed their babies, but not me. I waited for two days. And then…along the wall, clinging to it for support…I crept to the room where they kept the newborns. It was completely empty except for my little girl, the doors and windows were all shut. I felt her temperature, she was burning up, all hot. Just then, my mother came…“Mama, we’re taking the
baby and leaving. She’s already sick.”

My daughter was sick for a long time. An old doctor, long retired, treated her. A Jew. He went around helping Armenian families. “They’re killing Armenians just for being Armenian the same way they once killed Jews just for being Jewish,” he said. He was very, very old. We named our daughter Ira…Irinka…We decided that she should have a Russian name, it might protect her. The first time Abulfaz held her, he cried. He wept with joy… There was joy in those days, as well. Our joy! Around then, his mother got sick…He started going to see his family all the time. When he’d come back from seeing them…I won’t be able to find the words…for how he was when he’d come back. It was like he was a stranger with a face I didn’t recognize. Of course, I was scared. There were tons of refugees flooding the city, Azerbaijani families fleeing Armenia. They showed up empty-handed, without anything, exactly the same way Armenians fled Baku. And they told the same stories. Oh! It was all identical. They spoke about Khodjali, where there had been a pogrom on Azerbaijanis. About how the Armenians had murdered them, throwing women out of windows…cutting people’s heads off…pissing on the dead…No horror film can scare me now! I’ve seen so much and heard so much—too much! I couldn’t sleep at night, I kept turning and turning it over in my mind—we simply had to leave. We just had to! We couldn’t go on like this, I couldn’t. Run…run to forget…and if I had stayed, I would have died. I’m sure I would have died…
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#1844 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Vitezanin wrote: 28/09/2020 13:40

Armenci u Karabahu žive dugo koliko i Armenci u Armeniji. Kud da idu? Osim njih tu je živio i određen broj Azera i Kurda. I jedni i drugi su protjerani tokom rata. Armenci su nakon 1994. pokušali doseliti neke Armence u Karabah, ali s veoma ograničenim uspjehom. Azeri su isto tako, nakon što je Karabah dobio autonomiju, pokušali doseliti određen broj Azera u Karabah, ali je oblast i dalje ostala dominantno armenska.
Karabah je bio dio armenske kraljevine koja je starija od Krista. I u XIX i u XX stoljeću su Armenci na preko 90%, trenutno ih ima oko 150k... U toj zemlji je u IV - V vijeku osmišljen armenski alfabet koji se i dan-danas koristi... Sve je to naravno nevažno naspram ljudskih života, ali je ovo navijanje degutantno; nije to utakmicu, majku mu, već krvavi rat.


Smiješno kako Azeri u Iranu ne smiju pisnuti, ima ih više nego u Azerbajdžanu, manji su od makova zrna, a ovamo bi da sprovode teror zajedno sa 80 miliona Turaka nad nepuna tri miliona Armenaca. :D
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#1845 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Capljina74 wrote: 28/09/2020 13:50 Sve što su dronovi pokazali su taj prvi nalet gdje su Jermene uhvatili spuštenih gaća.

Slabo ima snimaka, ako se zna da svaki nosi kvalitetnu kameru.

Ovo ide u pat i klanje u poziciji.
Na sirijskom poucku znamo da se i zauzeti stand sa lubenicama reklamira u roku odmah, video snimcima i fotografijama... sudeci po izostanku istih... ostaje crtanje karti i propaganda.
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#1846 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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geralt wrote: 28/09/2020 13:50 S obzirom na mrznju izmedju ta dva naroda, te sta se desilo sa Armencima u Bakuu pocetkom devedesetih (sa 16% stanovnistva otisli na 0%), ne vjerujem da ce ijedan Armenac ostati u NK u slucaju njegovog zauzimanja. U najboljem slucaju masovna bjezanija i izbjeglistvo, u najgorem (ako ih opkole) Srebrenica.

Evo jednog svjedocenja iz prve ruke koji je prikupila nobelovka Svetlana Alexievich u svojoj dokumentarnoj knjizi o raspadu SSSR-a, pripovjeda Armenka udana za Azerbejdzanca.
The bloodbath in Baku went on for several weeks. Or at least that’s what some people say, others say it was longer…They didn’t just kill Armenians, they also killed the people who hid them. My Azerbaijani friend hid me, she had a husband and two kids. One day…I swear! I’ll come back to Baku and bring my daughter to their house: “This is your second mother, daughter.” They had these thick drapes…thick as a coat…They’d had them sewn especially for me. At night, I would come down from the attic for an hour or two…We spoke in whispers, but I absolutely had to be talked to. Everyone understood: They needed to talk to me so that I wouldn’t go dumb and lose my mind. So that I wouldn’t miscarry or start wailing in the night like an animal.

I remember our conversations very well. Afterward, I would spend all day up in the attic going over them in my head. I was alone…All I saw was a thin ribbon of sky through a crack…

“…They stopped old Lazar in the street and started beating him…‘I’m a Jew,’ he insisted. By the time they found his passport, he was already seriously injured.”

“…People get killed for their money and just because…They seek out the homes of well-off Armenians…”

“…They killed everyone who lived in this one building…The youngest girl climbed a tree to escape…so they shot at her like she was a little bird. It’s hard to see at night, they couldn’t get her for a long time, it made them angry…They kept firing. Finally, she fell at their feet…”
I was eight months pregnant. My due date was coming up. On nights when I was in pain, we’d call an ambulance, but as soon as they heard my Armenian last name, they’d hang up on us. They wouldn’t accept us into any maternity clinics, not the neighborhood one…not anywhere. They’d open my passport and right away, it was, “Sorry, no room.” No room! Nowhere and no way, simply no way. My mother found an old midwife, a Russian woman, one who had helped her give birth a long, long time ago…She found her living in a small village on the edge of town. Her name was Anna…I don’t remember her patronymic. Once a week, she’d come to our house, examine me, and tell us that labor wouldn’t be easy. My contractions started in the middle of the night…Abulfaz ran out to flag a cab, we couldn’t reach one by phone. The taxi driver came and saw me: “What is she, Armenian?” “She’s my wife.” “I’m not taking you anywhere.” My husband broke down in tears. He took out his wallet and waved all his money at the man, his entire month’s pay: “Take it…I’ll give you everything…Just save my wife and child.” We got in the car…all of us…My mother came, too. We went to the village where Anna lived, to the hospital where she worked part-time. To supplement her pension. She had been waiting for us; they put me on the table immediately. I was in labor for a long time, seven hours…There were two of us giving birth that night: me and an Azerbaijani woman. They only had one pillow, and they gave it to her, so my head was very low the whole time, in a painful and uncomfortable position…My mother stood in the doorway. They kept trying to kick her out, but she wouldn’t leave. What if they tried to steal the baby… What if? Anything could have happened…In those days, anything was possible. I gave birth to a girl…They only brought her to me once, showed her to me, and then they wouldn’t bring her again. They let the other mothers, all Azerbaijani, breastfeed their babies, but not me. I waited for two days. And then…along the wall, clinging to it for support…I crept to the room where they kept the newborns. It was completely empty except for my little girl, the doors and windows were all shut. I felt her temperature, she was burning up, all hot. Just then, my mother came…“Mama, we’re taking the
baby and leaving. She’s already sick.”

My daughter was sick for a long time. An old doctor, long retired, treated her. A Jew. He went around helping Armenian families. “They’re killing Armenians just for being Armenian the same way they once killed Jews just for being Jewish,” he said. He was very, very old. We named our daughter Ira…Irinka…We decided that she should have a Russian name, it might protect her. The first time Abulfaz held her, he cried. He wept with joy… There was joy in those days, as well. Our joy! Around then, his mother got sick…He started going to see his family all the time. When he’d come back from seeing them…I won’t be able to find the words…for how he was when he’d come back. It was like he was a stranger with a face I didn’t recognize. Of course, I was scared. There were tons of refugees flooding the city, Azerbaijani families fleeing Armenia. They showed up empty-handed, without anything, exactly the same way Armenians fled Baku. And they told the same stories. Oh! It was all identical. They spoke about Khodjali, where there had been a pogrom on Azerbaijanis. About how the Armenians had murdered them, throwing women out of windows…cutting people’s heads off…pissing on the dead…No horror film can scare me now! I’ve seen so much and heard so much—too much! I couldn’t sleep at night, I kept turning and turning it over in my mind—we simply had to leave. We just had to! We couldn’t go on like this, I couldn’t. Run…run to forget…and if I had stayed, I would have died. I’m sure I would have died…
kontinuitet medjusobnih zlocina, nisu azeri krivi armenima sto ih je staljin jebo,
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#1847 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 13:42
neko_sa_strane wrote: 28/09/2020 13:35
The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 11:29

podrzavam tursku u regionalnim konflktima, posljedicno i azerbejdzan, inace isto prijateljska zemlja bosne i hercegovine?

koga ti podrzavas?
Na osnovu čega je Azerbejdžan prijateljska zemlja BiH? Jer su Azeri muslimani? Neka to bude tvoje subjektivno mišljenje. Ako je to razlog onda je prijateljska zemlja turkofilima poput tebe. Ni jedna od te dvije zemlje nije nešto posebno prijateljska. Vidim pišeš da podržavaš sve konflikte u regiji u kojima učestvuje Turska. Znači podržavaš tursku agresiju na Siriju, Irak i ranije invaziju na Kipar. U ovom sukobu Izrael šalje oružje Azerbejdžanu preko Turske. Znači da Izrael i Turska podržavaju istu stranu u sukobu ali ti ne podržavaš Izrael.
Nagorno Karabah je jermenska teritorija koju je Staljin igrajući se prekrajanja granica dodijelio Azerbejdžanu. Isto kao i kasnije Hruščov kada je Krim dodijelio Ukrajini pa je povratak Krima nazad Rusiji licemjerni Zapad okarakterisao kao aneksiju.
na osnovu donacija i projekata koje su realizovali u bih. to nije moje subjektivno misljenje nego cinjenica. to sto si islamofob tu ti ne mogu pomoci, zalim slucaj. turska nije izvrsila nikakvu agresiju na siriju i irak nego provodi antiteroristicke operacije u skladu sa postojecim sporazumima, kao sto je i po un planu zastitila kiparske turke, inforrmisi se mimo svojih predrasuda prema turcima i muslimanima opcenito. izrael salje oruzje i armencima kad plate, tako da ne vidim nista sporno, ne podrzavam izrael u okupaciji palestiniskih teritorija kao svaki normalan i civilizovani covjek. nagorno karabah je teritorja medjunarodno priznate republike azezbejdzan sa koje je protjerano milion azera i pobijeno desetine hiljada ljudi i jerevan je nekad bio revan pa to niko ne potrazuje, armenci su megalomani i necivilizovana banda koja se ne umije ponasati po medjunarodnim normama i zrtve su svoje sopstvene mitomanije. eto ti jedna besplatna lekcija da nesto naucis.
Ima li Armenaca više u Bakuu? Ili su sami otišli? Budi dosljedan jer rat ima 2 strane. Da li podržavaš jedne ili druge nije bitno, ali na taj način nisi u stanju objektivno promatrati ono što se dešava. Isto vrijedi i za tabor koji navija za Armence.
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#1848 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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Vitezanin wrote: 28/09/2020 13:54
The 51st State wrote: 28/09/2020 13:42
neko_sa_strane wrote: 28/09/2020 13:35
Na osnovu čega je Azerbejdžan prijateljska zemlja BiH? Jer su Azeri muslimani? Neka to bude tvoje subjektivno mišljenje. Ako je to razlog onda je prijateljska zemlja turkofilima poput tebe. Ni jedna od te dvije zemlje nije nešto posebno prijateljska. Vidim pišeš da podržavaš sve konflikte u regiji u kojima učestvuje Turska. Znači podržavaš tursku agresiju na Siriju, Irak i ranije invaziju na Kipar. U ovom sukobu Izrael šalje oružje Azerbejdžanu preko Turske. Znači da Izrael i Turska podržavaju istu stranu u sukobu ali ti ne podržavaš Izrael.
Nagorno Karabah je jermenska teritorija koju je Staljin igrajući se prekrajanja granica dodijelio Azerbejdžanu. Isto kao i kasnije Hruščov kada je Krim dodijelio Ukrajini pa je povratak Krima nazad Rusiji licemjerni Zapad okarakterisao kao aneksiju.
na osnovu donacija i projekata koje su realizovali u bih. to nije moje subjektivno misljenje nego cinjenica. to sto si islamofob tu ti ne mogu pomoci, zalim slucaj. turska nije izvrsila nikakvu agresiju na siriju i irak nego provodi antiteroristicke operacije u skladu sa postojecim sporazumima, kao sto je i po un planu zastitila kiparske turke, inforrmisi se mimo svojih predrasuda prema turcima i muslimanima opcenito. izrael salje oruzje i armencima kad plate, tako da ne vidim nista sporno, ne podrzavam izrael u okupaciji palestiniskih teritorija kao svaki normalan i civilizovani covjek. nagorno karabah je teritorja medjunarodno priznate republike azezbejdzan sa koje je protjerano milion azera i pobijeno desetine hiljada ljudi i jerevan je nekad bio revan pa to niko ne potrazuje, armenci su megalomani i necivilizovana banda koja se ne umije ponasati po medjunarodnim normama i zrtve su svoje sopstvene mitomanije. eto ti jedna besplatna lekcija da nesto naucis.
Ima li Armenaca više u Bakuu? Ili su sami otišli? Budi dosljedan jer rat ima 2 strane. Da li podržavaš jedne ili druge nije bitno, ali na taj način nisi u stanju objektivno promatrati ono što se dešava. Isto vrijedi i za tabor koji navija za Armence.
ima li azera/turaka u jerevanu/revanu? apsolutne pravde nema, armenci imaju losiji spil i to je to.
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#1849 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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dječak sa šibicama wrote: 28/09/2020 13:54
Capljina74 wrote: 28/09/2020 13:50 Sve što su dronovi pokazali su taj prvi nalet gdje su Jermene uhvatili spuštenih gaća.

Slabo ima snimaka, ako se zna da svaki nosi kvalitetnu kameru.

Ovo ide u pat i klanje u poziciji.
Na sirijskom poucku znamo da se i zauzeti stand sa lubenicama reklamira u roku odmah, video snimcima i fotografijama... sudeci po izostanku istih... ostaje crtanje karti i propaganda.
Je li ono Savo tupio danima o onom uzetom parkingu?
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#1850 Re: Nagorno Karabah

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a kolika je to mržnja na Kavkazu generalno, a posebno između Azera i Jermena

ne znam sad tačno, ali ima tome sigurno 10tak godina, na nekoj međunarodnoj vojnoj vježbi koju je NATO organizovao, meščini da je bila u Mađarskoj, jedan azerski oficir je zaklao bukavlno jermenskog oficira (na spavanju).
Osuđen je na nešto zatvora u Mađarskoj, ali su ga oni izručili Azerbejdžanu gdje je promptno ne samo dobio amnestiju već i neko odlikovanje :run:

helem ovaj naš B-H-S animozitet ispada smiješan prema toj njihovoj mržnji

da se ne ide predaleko u historiju, ali tu su vazda masakri bili između njih, od onog haosa sa 1. svj ratom na Kavkazu pa poslije ruski građanski rat, pa raspad SSSR-a (sranja počela 80-tih) itd itd
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