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Kakav je bio kao covjek,politicar,drzavnik...?
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
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kao državnik je bio sjajantuzican wrote:Sta mislite o ovom covjeku?Vakat je da promjenimo malo teme koje se ponavlju na forumu...
Kakav je bio kao covjek,politicar,drzavnik...?
kao čovjek je bio kronični alkoholičar
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#3 Re: Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
Je'l' mu to bolest....il' maHana...taj njegov alkoholizam....tj. karakterna-moralna "brlja"....koja mu ubrlja sva druga postignuca i uspjehe.mojsije wrote:kao državnik je bio sjajantuzican wrote:Sta mislite o ovom covjeku?Vakat je da promjenimo malo teme koje se ponavlju na forumu...
Kakav je bio kao covjek,politicar,drzavnik...?
kao čovjek je bio kronični alkoholičar
Napr. je'l' opljack'o...drzavu! ? Jesu'l' mu se potomci "preko noci obogatili"? Je'l' opustosio drzavu i unazadio narod? Je'l' bio sposoban, mudar? Je'l' unatoc tom svom alkoholizmu uspio izvesti narod i drzavu "na put"? i pruziti PRAVI otpor svojim i drzavnim neprijateljima?
(Turci mu nemaju sta hatoriti...jedino ga mogu proklinjati silni Grci i Armenci...koji su ili "isparili" ili nestali... s'tih prostora....i nesto manje Kurdi)
Kamo srece da nam je Alija pio (k'o babo mu ) ...a bio sposoban i mudar k'o Ataturk...i ja bi mu rakije stalno tocila...neg'o.........uf........muka me uffffffati....kad vidim....ko nam je "otac nacije"!
Skraceno....Ataturk....sposoban, vidovit, covjek koji je gled'o naprijed...krcio put za buducnost...( a nas Alija Izetbegovic....covjek koji je stalno gled'o natrag....trazeci pravac za buducnost i prezir'o sve sto je zastup'o Ataturk i njegova "sorta")... Ataturk genije "pijandura"....Alija prosjecan "golemi musliman".
Men'se cini da je Ataturk ipak bio "tr'izniji"! Vele "p'jana glava kolo ne'vodi".....e valla.....kad je "glavurina" k'o Ataturk...more i kolo i cocek...i trbusnjak. Takvi se samo RODE........al'na'zalost.....ne cesto....kod "nas" izgleda....nikad
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#4 A sta je sa Mao Cetungom?
E, stvarno...Kemal Ataturk!
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#6 Re: A sta je sa Mao Cetungom?
[quote="jafa gold"]E, stvarno...Kemal Ataturk! [/quote]
Ja koliko znam, ovi Turci u dijaspori ga ne vole, kazu da je bio porijeklom srbin!!!!!!
Nije ni cudo, svi potomci zadnjeg sultana su umoreni pod njegovim vodstvom!!!!!
Haman, tako kazu Turci!!!!
Ja koliko znam, ovi Turci u dijaspori ga ne vole, kazu da je bio porijeklom srbin!!!!!!
Nije ni cudo, svi potomci zadnjeg sultana su umoreni pod njegovim vodstvom!!!!!
Haman, tako kazu Turci!!!!
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turski Tito !
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VELIKI DIKTATOR. Umro kao i Lenjin od sifilisa.
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... da je trebao da ih odboluje jos dok je bio mali... diktator!zoom66 wrote:ali je zato umro spoznavshi istinu...Vodenjak wrote:A Broz od vodenih ospica iliti narodski - bljuhi...branimir_s wrote:VELIKI DIKTATOR. Umro kao i Lenjin od sifilisa.
Obozavam "suvisle" komentare!
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nije da ga ne vole samo Turci u dijaspori nego ima dosta ljudi i u samoj Turskoj koji ne vole Ataturka. naravno, to je onaj konzervativni dio društva. jer palo je dosta mrtvih glava za vrijeme njegove diktature. dao je pobiti dosta osmanlijske uleme, što mu to očito neki zamjeraju. ali, jebi ga nije bilo dovoljno samo ukinuti dinastiju i monarhiju s njom, valjalo je ukinuti i halifat u paketu, a tu su očito morale padati mrtve glave. pošteno, nigdje u svijetu tako korjenite reforme ne prolaze bez krvoprolića.
moje mišljenje je da je njegovom zaslugom Turska to što jeste. unaprijedio ih je, da ne kažem prosvijetlio.
da ga nije bilo, sada bi smo imali još jednu "Bosnu". evo baš nešto čitam ovih dana kako su se u Turskoj uzjogunile ove konzervativne struje. (ako ste čitali po dnevnoj štampi o ubistvu sudije u sudnici).
moje mišljenje je da je njegovom zaslugom Turska to što jeste. unaprijedio ih je, da ne kažem prosvijetlio.
da ga nije bilo, sada bi smo imali još jednu "Bosnu". evo baš nešto čitam ovih dana kako su se u Turskoj uzjogunile ove konzervativne struje. (ako ste čitali po dnevnoj štampi o ubistvu sudije u sudnici).
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E sad si nagrabusio!rulja_20 wrote:nije da ga ne vole samo Turci u dijaspori nego ima dosta ljudi i u samoj Turskoj koji ne vole Ataturka. naravno, to je onaj konzervativni dio društva. jer palo je dosta mrtvih glava za vrijeme njegove diktature. dao je pobiti dosta osmanlijske uleme, što mu to očito neki zamjeraju. ali, jebi ga nije bilo dovoljno samo ukinuti dinastiju i monarhiju s njom, valjalo je ukinuti i halifat u paketu, a tu su očito morale padati mrtve glave. pošteno, nigdje u svijetu tako korjenite reforme ne prolaze bez krvoprolića.
moje mišljenje je da je njegovom zaslugom Turska to što jeste. unaprijedio ih je, da ne kažem prosvijetlio.
da ga nije bilo, sada bi smo imali još jednu "Bosnu". evo baš nešto čitam ovih dana kako su se u Turskoj uzjogunile ove konzervativne struje. (ako ste čitali po dnevnoj štampi o ubistvu sudije u sudnici).
Cekaj samo da te "otkriju"...
Pa ti proteziras Broza u stvari?
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Vodenjak wrote:E sad si nagrabusio!rulja_20 wrote:nije da ga ne vole samo Turci u dijaspori nego ima dosta ljudi i u samoj Turskoj koji ne vole Ataturka. naravno, to je onaj konzervativni dio društva. jer palo je dosta mrtvih glava za vrijeme njegove diktature. dao je pobiti dosta osmanlijske uleme, što mu to očito neki zamjeraju. ali, jebi ga nije bilo dovoljno samo ukinuti dinastiju i monarhiju s njom, valjalo je ukinuti i halifat u paketu, a tu su očito morale padati mrtve glave. pošteno, nigdje u svijetu tako korjenite reforme ne prolaze bez krvoprolića.
moje mišljenje je da je njegovom zaslugom Turska to što jeste. unaprijedio ih je, da ne kažem prosvijetlio.
da ga nije bilo, sada bi smo imali još jednu "Bosnu". evo baš nešto čitam ovih dana kako su se u Turskoj uzjogunile ove konzervativne struje. (ako ste čitali po dnevnoj štampi o ubistvu sudije u sudnici).
Cekaj samo da te "otkriju"...
Pa ti proteziras Broza u stvari?
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Founder of the Republic
"Sovereignty belongs unconditionally to the people."
October 29, 1923 is a fateful date in Turkish history. On that date. Mustafa Kemal Pasha, the liberator of his country, proclaimed the Republic of Turkey. The new homogeneous nation-state stood in sharp contrast to the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire out of whose ashes it arose. The dynasty and theocratic Ottoman system, with its Sultanate and Caliphate, thus came to and end. Atatürk's Turkey dedicated itself to the sovereignty of the national will - to the creation of, in President's words, "the state of the people ".
The Republic swiftly moved to put an end to the so-called "Capitulations ", the special rights and privileges that the Ottomans had granted to some European powers.
The New Turkey's ideology was, and remains, "Kemalism", later known as "Atatürkism". Its basic principles stress the republican form of government representing the power of electorate, secular administration, nationalism, mixed economy with state participation in many of the vital sectors, and modernization. Atatürkism introduced to Turkey the process of parliamentary and participatory democracy.
The first Moslem nation to become a Republic, Turkey has served since the early 1920s as a model for Moslem and non-Moslem nations in the emerging world.
Eto....meni se cini da je Ataturk IPAK...."najveci" musliman...mada najmanje musliman....i najveci demokrata...iako nam se cini k'o diktator.
Ako je Tito "umro k'o musliman" (kako veli onaj beogradski muftija)...onda je to sigurno...da bi mog'o divan'ti sa Kemalom Soluncem (ne zaboravite...ipak...iz Makedonije). Niko im nije ravan!
"Sovereignty belongs unconditionally to the people."
October 29, 1923 is a fateful date in Turkish history. On that date. Mustafa Kemal Pasha, the liberator of his country, proclaimed the Republic of Turkey. The new homogeneous nation-state stood in sharp contrast to the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire out of whose ashes it arose. The dynasty and theocratic Ottoman system, with its Sultanate and Caliphate, thus came to and end. Atatürk's Turkey dedicated itself to the sovereignty of the national will - to the creation of, in President's words, "the state of the people ".
The Republic swiftly moved to put an end to the so-called "Capitulations ", the special rights and privileges that the Ottomans had granted to some European powers.
The New Turkey's ideology was, and remains, "Kemalism", later known as "Atatürkism". Its basic principles stress the republican form of government representing the power of electorate, secular administration, nationalism, mixed economy with state participation in many of the vital sectors, and modernization. Atatürkism introduced to Turkey the process of parliamentary and participatory democracy.
The first Moslem nation to become a Republic, Turkey has served since the early 1920s as a model for Moslem and non-Moslem nations in the emerging world.
Eto....meni se cini da je Ataturk IPAK...."najveci" musliman...mada najmanje musliman....i najveci demokrata...iako nam se cini k'o diktator.
Ako je Tito "umro k'o musliman" (kako veli onaj beogradski muftija)...onda je to sigurno...da bi mog'o divan'ti sa Kemalom Soluncem (ne zaboravite...ipak...iz Makedonije). Niko im nije ravan!
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#17 Re: Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
a sta ti imas protiv hronicnih alkoholicara?mojsije wrote:kao državnik je bio sjajantuzican wrote:Sta mislite o ovom covjeku?Vakat je da promjenimo malo teme koje se ponavlju na forumu...
Kakav je bio kao covjek,politicar,drzavnik...?
kao čovjek je bio kronični alkoholičar
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Ataturk je bio Turski Tito....imao je gresaka ali je imao i nevjerovatnih poteza.....najjace je izjava vojnicima u jednoj borbi za Canakkale mislim kad je rekao
Ataturk :
" Size savasmanizi degil , olmenizi emrediyorum " sto bi znacilo
" Ne naredujem vam da se borite , naredujem vam da poginete "
Kad sam ovo prvi put cuo najezio sam se bratami....al eto , sve u svemu , taj covjek je od Turske napravio zemlju....mislim ,zemlju koja ce se za buducnost lakse pripremiti.....velike promjene je vrsio......sve u svemu
50 % dobar
50 % los..
Ataturk :
" Size savasmanizi degil , olmenizi emrediyorum " sto bi znacilo
" Ne naredujem vam da se borite , naredujem vam da poginete "
Kad sam ovo prvi put cuo najezio sam se bratami....al eto , sve u svemu , taj covjek je od Turske napravio zemlju....mislim ,zemlju koja ce se za buducnost lakse pripremiti.....velike promjene je vrsio......sve u svemu
50 % dobar
50 % los..
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Hahahahah.... Paul, I'm glad to see you speak Turkish, but if we're going to communicate in Turkish we might as well email each other. as nobody else will probably understand what's going on....
For Turks, Ataturk as a symbol is much more important than Ataturk as a person. For the majority, he represents the break-through that countless Ottoman/Turkish intellectuals and their followers, both civilian and military, had been trying to achieve since the late 1700s, in revolutianizing and modernizing the Turkish/Ottoman state....
For some, he is a symbol of going backwards by adopting a nation state mentality rather than an Umma state...
He is hated by the Islamists who would like to see Turkey run by Sharia laws ( according to the latest polls, this number sits at 9% )
However, you'll notice that his name will be recited with respect even by those who don't agree with him or like him, and even by some of those who openly hate his guts. The main reason for that is the fact that the "impossible" war he led against imperialist armies of Great Britain, Italy, France and Greece ended with a big victory, and the victories he and his team achieved in diplomacy, against all of these formal enemies, plus the quiet imperialists like the US and the Soviets were even bigger than the ones achieved on the battle field...
For Turks, Ataturk as a symbol is much more important than Ataturk as a person. For the majority, he represents the break-through that countless Ottoman/Turkish intellectuals and their followers, both civilian and military, had been trying to achieve since the late 1700s, in revolutianizing and modernizing the Turkish/Ottoman state....
For some, he is a symbol of going backwards by adopting a nation state mentality rather than an Umma state...
He is hated by the Islamists who would like to see Turkey run by Sharia laws ( according to the latest polls, this number sits at 9% )
However, you'll notice that his name will be recited with respect even by those who don't agree with him or like him, and even by some of those who openly hate his guts. The main reason for that is the fact that the "impossible" war he led against imperialist armies of Great Britain, Italy, France and Greece ended with a big victory, and the victories he and his team achieved in diplomacy, against all of these formal enemies, plus the quiet imperialists like the US and the Soviets were even bigger than the ones achieved on the battle field...