Konačni rezultati - Popis stanovništva 2013 - Bosna i Hercegovina

[The BEN10]

Teska i mucna tema, ali da pitam posto nisam upucen, moze li gospoda iz Republike Mrske do 1.jula ponovo blokirati objavu rezultata popisa ovim nekim najnovijim manevrima preko Vijeca ministara BiH? Znam da je JUkic potpisao odluku, ali je li to konacno? Hvala.

Ne mogu. Agencija za statistiku je jedina nadležna za popis. VM nema nikakvih nadležnosti. To su više puta ponovili i Osmanović i Zvizdić, ali su dodali da Tužilaštvo ima otvoren slučaj. Tako da je i to jedan od momenata koji je odlučio da Jukić potpiše odluku...

[jao_situacije]

Zato sto neki misle da oni koji zive i studiraju u Srbiji i Hrvatskoj nisu dijaspora.

Studiranje van BiH nema veze sa dijasporom!

pa i moja strina studira u gracu a oni bi da je izbace.

[animus]

Tesko je nekog danas svrstati u dijasporu jer znam puno ljudi koji zive u austriji ili nekoj drugoj drzavi u eu ali su svaki mjesec ovdje gdje zive takodjer neki period. Cak i neki ljudi koji su u norveskoj dolaze ovdje 10-ak puta u godini i ostanu koliko god dugo mogu. Pogotovo sad ovi jeftini letovi iz tuzle koji su uvijek popunjeni do zadnjeg mjesta jos vise vezu nase ljude sa domovinom. Ako su oni popisani ko to ima pravo da im ospori. Dosta ih poznajem koji nisu popisani jer nisu pokazali nikakvog interesa za to. To je prava dijaspora i ogromna je razlika u odnosu na prve.
Smjesna mi je radi toga razlika koja se pokusava napraviti izmedju ovih koji borave u susjednim drzavama i u ovim drugim evropskim drzavama.

[VjecitiStudent]

Popisna pravila koja vrijede u EU i koja bi trebala da vrijede i kod nas su tako beskrajno jednostavna

For the purpose of this Regulation, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) ‘population’ shall mean the national, regional and local population at its usual residence at the reference date;
...
(d) ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place where a person normally spends the daily period of rest, regardless of temporary absences for purposes of recreation, holidays, visits to friends and relatives, business, medical treatment or religious pilgrimage.
The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:
(i) those who have lived in their place of usual residence for a continuous period of at least 12 months before the reference date; or

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.
Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/ ... ersion=1.0

[cyprus]

Popisna pravila koja vrijede u EU i koja bi trebala da vrijede i kod nas su tako beskrajno jednostavna

For the purpose of this Regulation, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) ‘population’ shall mean the national, regional and local population at its usual residence at the reference date;
...
(d) ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place where a person normally spends the daily period of rest, regardless of temporary absences for purposes of recreation, holidays, visits to friends and relatives, business, medical treatment or religious pilgrimage.
The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:
(i) those who have lived in their place of usual residence for a continuous period of at least 12 months before the reference date; or

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.
Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/ ... ersion=1.0

Ma jok, to su četnička posla... Ko god smatra da stanovnik treba, pazi ovo - stanovati na mjestu na kojem se popisuje - četnik je

[andromeda101]

Popisna pravila koja vrijede u EU i koja bi trebala da vrijede i kod nas su tako beskrajno jednostavna

For the purpose of this Regulation, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) ‘population’ shall mean the national, regional and local population at its usual residence at the reference date;
...
(d) ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place where a person normally spends the daily period of rest, regardless of temporary absences for purposes of recreation, holidays, visits to friends and relatives, business, medical treatment or religious pilgrimage.
The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:
(i) those who have lived in their place of usual residence for a continuous period of at least 12 months before the reference date; or

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.
Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/ ... ersion=1.0

Ma jok, to su četnička posla... Ko god smatra da stanovnik treba, pazi ovo - stanovati na mjestu na kojem se popisuje - četnik je

Što bi se popis vršio po srpskom receptu kad ima recept iz EU-a?

[andromeda101]

Jel vam to smeta?

Dirigovali ste u Jugoslaviji, pa vam nedostaje dirigovanje.

Slabom qurcu i recept iz EU-a smeta.

[cyprus]

Što bi se popis vršio po srpskom receptu kad ima recept iz EU-a?

Zato što mi četnici volimo srpski recept

PS Pa eto ti iznad piše - koji je to "recept" EU, tj. ko su stanovnici prema EU.

[andromeda101]

Što bi se popis vršio po srpskom receptu kad ima recept iz EU-a?

Zato što mi četnici volimo srpski recept

PS Pa eto ti iznad piše - koji je to "recept" EU, tj. ko su stanovnici prema EU.

Ne trebam tebe da mi pišeš koji je recept, pošto je EU usvojio podatke.

Da nije po standardu, odbili bi ih.

[andromeda101]

Vidi se kome ne godi.

Ako četnik Dodik i četnikuša Cvijanović ima adute na svoj strani, popis bi bio odbijen od EU-a.

A nije.

[cyprus]

Mislim da je za EU najvažnije da dobijemo zasad bilo kakve podatke... Tu se i ja slažem... Njima u EU ništa ne znači razlika od 100 - 200 hiljada... Svjesni su političke situacije u BiH i oni bi najradije da se što manje talasa... Tako da, prihvatili bi oni i jedne i druge rezultate, šta god da je dogovoreno...

Ipak, nama bi od znatno veće koristi bilo da imamo rezultate koji su bliži realnim... Potpuno realne je nemoguće postići... Nažalost, prešutno je data mogućnost nacionalno opterećenim ljudima (i Bošnjacima, i Srbima, i Hrvatima) da fabriciraju podatke, odnosno da prosto rečeno LAŽU, a da za to neće biti kažnjeni... Zakon je i tu jasan - predviđena je kazna i za to, ali je jasno da niko neće dobiti niti marke kazne... Ovaj prijedlog iz RS-a što je naknadno stigao, bez obzira odakle je došao - ima smisla, jer je to jedan od najjednostavnijih načina da se utvrdi ko je lagao, a pri tome bio dovoljno glup da to ne sakrije...

No, kao što rekoh - daj šta daš... Kakvi god rezulatati da budu, bolji su od nikakvih...

[VjecitiStudent]

Popisna pravila koja vrijede u EU i koja bi trebala da vrijede i kod nas su tako beskrajno jednostavna

For the purpose of this Regulation, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) ‘population’ shall mean the national, regional and local population at its usual residence at the reference date;
...
(d) ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place where a person normally spends the daily period of rest, regardless of temporary absences for purposes of recreation, holidays, visits to friends and relatives, business, medical treatment or religious pilgrimage.
The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:
(i) those who have lived in their place of usual residence for a continuous period of at least 12 months before the reference date; or

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.
Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/ ... ersion=1.0

Ma jok, to su četnička posla... Ko god smatra da stanovnik treba, pazi ovo - stanovati na mjestu na kojem se popisuje - četnik je

I nekoliko "težih" slučajeva su pojasnili, gdje su čak i beskućnici obuhvaćeni. Sve je tako beskrajno lako, međutim ...

In applying the definition of ‘usual residence’ given in Article 2(d) of Regulation (EC) No 763/2008, Member States shall
treat special cases as follows:
(a) Where a person regularly lives in more than one residence during the year, the residence where he/she spends the majority
of the year shall be taken as his/her place of usual residence regardless of whether this is located elsewhere within
the country or abroad. However, a person who works away from home during the week and who returns to the family
home at weekends shall consider the family home to be his/her place of usual residence regardless of whether his/her
place of work is elsewhere in the country or abroad.
(b) Primary and secondary school pupils and students who are away from home during the school term shall consider their
family home to be their place of usual residence regardless of whether they are pursuing their education elsewhere in
the country or abroad.
(c) Tertiary students who are away from home while at college or university shall consider their term-time address to be
their place of usual residence regardless of whether this is an institution (such as a boarding school) or a private residence
and regardless of whether they are pursuing their education elsewhere in the country or abroad. Exceptionally,
where the place of education is within the country, the place of usual residence may be considered to be the family
home.
(d) An institution shall be taken as the place of usual residence of all its residents who at the time of the census have spent,
or are likely to spend, 12 months or more living there.
(e) The general rule in relation to where most of the daily period of rest is spent applies to persons doing compulsory military
service and to members of the armed forces who live in military barracks or camps.
(f) The place of enumeration shall be taken as the place of usual residence of homeless or roofless persons, nomads,
vagrants and persons with no concept of usual residence;
(g) A child who alternates between two places of residence (for instance if his or her parents are divorced) shall consider
the one where he or she spends the majority of the time as his or her place of usual residence. Where an equal amount
of time is spent with both parents the place of usual residence shall be the place where the child is found at the time on
census night.
On the basis of the definition of the place of usual residence, persons usually resident in the place of enumeration but absent,
or expected to be absent, at the time of the census for less than one year shall be considered as temporarily absent persons
and thus included in the total population. In contrast, persons living or expected to live outside the place of enumeration for
one year or more shall not be considered temporarily absent and shall therefore be excluded from the total population. This
is regardless of the length of visits that they may pay to their families from time to time.

[LBVIEW]

Mislim da je za EU najvažnije da dobijemo zasad bilo kakve podatke... Tu se i ja slažem... Njima u EU ništa ne znači razlika od 100 - 200 hiljada... Svjesni su političke situacije u BiH i oni bi najradije da se što manje talasa... Tako da, prihvatili bi oni i jedne i druge rezultate, šta god da je dogovoreno...

Ipak, nama bi od znatno veće koristi bilo da imamo rezultate koji su bliži realnim... Potpuno realne je nemoguće postići... Nažalost, prešutno je data mogućnost nacionalno opterećenim ljudima (i Bošnjacima, i Srbima, i Hrvatima) da fabriciraju podatke, odnosno da prosto rečeno LAŽU, a da za to neće biti kažnjeni... Zakon je i tu jasan - predviđena je kazna i za to, ali je jasno da niko neće dobiti niti marke kazne... Ovaj prijedlog iz RS-a što je naknadno stigao, bez obzira odakle je došao - ima smisla, jer je to jedan od najjednostavnijih načina da se utvrdi ko je lagao, a pri tome bio dovoljno glup da to ne sakrije...

No, kao što rekoh - daj šta daš... Kakvi god rezulatati da budu, bolji su od nikakvih...

To onaj prijedlog po kome se brisu studenti koji ne studiraju u Srbiji/Hrvatskoj?

[cyprus]

To onaj prijedlog po kome se brisu studenti koji ne studiraju u Srbiji/Hrvatskoj?

Eh, to je nešto sa čim se ne slažem... Svi studenti bi trebali imati isti status...

[Fudo387]

Ma jok, to su četnička posla... Ko god smatra da stanovnik treba, pazi ovo - stanovati na mjestu na kojem se popisuje - četnik je

Malo se pravimo blesavi, no, da prevedemo za ove sa ogranicenim razumijevanjem engleskog jezika.

The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.

Ti mene pitas imam li namjeru ostati bar godinu dana u Bosni, ja kazem imam, i zdravo. Kraj price.

[VjecitiStudent]

Kako su popisani studenti fakulteta u EU:

(c) Tertiary students who are away from home while at college or university shall consider their term-time address to be
their place of usual residence regardless of whether this is an institution (such as a boarding school) or a private residence
and regardless of whether they are pursuing their education elsewhere in the country or abroad. Exceptionally,
where the place of education is within the country, the place of usual residence may be considered to be the family
home.

[VjecitiStudent]

Ti mene pitas imam li namjeru ostati bar godinu dana u Bosni, ja kazem imam, i zdravo. Kraj price.

Izostavio si bitan dio:

Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;

[Fudo387]

Ti mene pitas imam li namjeru ostati bar godinu dana u Bosni, ja kazem imam, i zdravo. Kraj price.

Izostavio si bitan dio:

Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;

A sta nismo ustanovili?

[VjecitiStudent]

Ti mene pitas imam li namjeru ostati bar godinu dana u Bosni, ja kazem imam, i zdravo. Kraj price.

Izostavio si bitan dio:

Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;

A sta nismo ustanovili?

The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:
(i) those who have lived in their place of usual residence for a continuous period of at least 12 months before the reference date; or

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.
Where the circumstances described in point (i) or (ii) cannot be established, ‘usual residence’ shall mean the place of legal or registered residence;

[Fudo387]

Bezveze se ponavljas, nema tu nista nejasno.
Ljudi imaju licnu kartu u kojoj stoji mjesto boravka, imaju namjeru ostati godinu dana...ne znam sta hoces?

[cyprus]

Ma jok, to su četnička posla... Ko god smatra da stanovnik treba, pazi ovo - stanovati na mjestu na kojem se popisuje - četnik je

Malo se pravimo blesavi, no, da prevedemo za ove sa ogranicenim razumijevanjem engleskog jezika.

The following persons alone shall be considered to be usual residents of the geographical area in question:

(ii) those who arrived in their place of usual residence during the 12 months before the reference date with the intention of staying there for at least one year.

Ti mene pitas imam li namjeru ostati bar godinu dana u Bosni, ja kazem imam, i zdravo. Kraj price.

To ti spada u kategoriju: ti mene pitaš za ime i prezime, a ja ti kažem Pajo Patak, i zdravo. Kraj priče.

Međutim, ima i ono - davanje lažnih informacija je kažnjivo zakonom

[Fudo387]

To ti spada u kategoriju: ti mene pitaš za ime i prezime, a ja ti kažem Pajo Patak, i zdravo. Kraj priče.Međutim, ima i ono - davanje lažnih informacija je kažnjivo zakonom

Auf, ziv sam se isprepadao.
Ispisaces me, malo morgen.

[prog321]

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[VjecitiStudent]

Bezveze se ponavljas, nema tu nista nejasno.
Ljudi imaju licnu kartu u kojoj stoji mjesto boravka, imaju namjeru ostati godinu dana...ne znam sta hoces?

Ako su te popisali, imaš ličnu, ... nikakvih nema upitnika.

[cyprus]

To ti spada u kategoriju: ti mene pitaš za ime i prezime, a ja ti kažem Pajo Patak, i zdravo. Kraj priče.Međutim, ima i ono - davanje lažnih informacija je kažnjivo zakonom

Auf, ziv sam se isprepadao.
Ispisaces me, malo morgen.

Čime sam te isprepadao Ja samo ukazujem na to kako postoji zakon, ali koji se na tvoju sreću i sreću ostalih prevaranata ne provodi