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Eh ovako volio bih da prodiskutujemo malo o ovoj temi sutra cu staviti neke tekstove koje sam procitao o Jedzudzu i Medzudzu ,Takodje volio bih da spomenemo Dedzala ,nego znate sta je interesantno ,da se sumnja da je da je Izrael i Amerika Jedzudz ili Medzudz,a Rusija i njeni saveznici Medzudz ili Jedzudz
Allah dž. š. u suri El Kehf govori o pravednom vladaru Zul Karnejnu koji je vladao od istoka do zapada. U obilasku svojih podanika negdje na istoku naišao je na narod koji mu se požalio na susjede Je’džudž i Me’džudž. Uzvišeni Allah kaže: “I on pođe. Kad stiže imeđu dvije planine, nađe ispred njih narod koji je jedva govor razumijevao. "O Zulkarnejne," - rekoše oni - "Jedžudž i Medžudž čine nered po Zemlji, pa hoćeš li da između nas i njih zid podigneš, mi ćemo te nagraditi." "Bolje je ono što mi je Gospodar moj dao" - reče on. "Nego, samo vi pomozite meni što više možete, i ja ću između vas i njih zid podići. Donesite mi velike komade gvožđa!" I kad on izravna dvije strane brda, reče: "Pušite!" A kad ga usija, reče: "Donesite mi rastopljen mjed da ga zalijem." I tako oni nisu mogli ni da pređu niti su ga mogli prokopati. "Ovo je blagodat Gospodara moga!" - reče on. "A kada se prijetnja Gospodara moga ispuni, On će ga sa zemljom sravniti, a prijetnja Gospodara moga će se, sigurno, ispuniti." I Mi ćemo tada učiniti da se jedni od njih kao talasi sudaraju s drugima.” Što se tiče mjesta toga zida, pouzdano se zna da je na istoku. Neki vladari i historičari su pokušavali saznati gdje se on nalazi ali bez uspjeha. Tirmizi prenosi od Ebu Hurejre da je Poslanik s.a.v.s. rekao: “Jedžudž i Medžudž kopaju zid svaki dan sve dok ga gotovo ne prokopaju. Tada njihov vođa kaže: vratite se, sutra ćete prokopati to što je ostalo, ali ga Allah tokom noći vrati u prvobitno stanje. Kada dođe vrijeme da izađu Allah će učiniti da njihov vođa kaže: Vratite se, sutra ćete prokopati to što je ostalo ako Bog da. Doći će sutradan i naći će ga onakvim kakvog su ga i ostavili, pa će ga prokopati i izaći će pred ljude.” Činiće do tada nezapamćen nered na prostoru cijele zemaljske kugle i niko im se neće moći suprotstaviti. Muslim prenosi od Nevasa r.a. da je Poslanik s.a.v.s. rekao: “Allah će obaviti Isau: Izveo sam narod protiv koga se niko neće moći boriti, skloni ti robove moje na planinu Tur.” Allah će izvesti dva ogromna naroda, Jedžudž i Medžudž koji će navaliti sa svih strana. Iza svake pješčane humke spuštaće se do jezera Taberija u Palestini. Toliko će ih biti da će vodu tog jezera popiti, a kada oni na začelju dođu do mjesta jezera reći će: ovdje je nekada bila voda? Isa i vjernici će biti u veoma teškom stanju. Jedna volovska glava će biti vrjednija od 100 zlatnika vama danas. Isa a.s. će učiniti dovu Allahu da uništi Jedžudž i Medžudž i Allah će poslati na njih crve koji će ih do jutra usmrtiti. Zatim će Isa sa vjernicima sići u podnožije ali na Zemlji neće naći ni jedan pedalj a da neće biti prekriven njihovim leševima. Cijela Zemlja će zaudarati njihovim smradom. Isa će zajedno sa vjernicima učiniti dovu Allahu i Allah će poslati ptice dugih vratova koje će njihove leševe odnijeti i baciti u more. Allah će dati kišu. Ta kiša će zemlju očistiit tako da će ostati kao ogledalo.”
Jasno je da su ova kazivanja prepuna alegorija i skrivenih značenja... Ljudi se ovim pitanjima bave jer su im zanimljiva, puno je bolje da uzimaju ona kazivanja (kojih je mnogo mnogo više) koja se bave uređenjem odnosa među ljudima, pravilima lijepog ponašanja, života itd...
Zanimljiv opis , mene sad interesuje , kad popiju toliku vodu , to jezeru Tiberias (da se razumijemo to je veliko jezero koje se prostire oko 166 km kvadratnih povrsine) gdije ce ta voda iz njihovih tijela biti izbacena , ili oni ne vrse male nuzde?.
sleepercode wrote:Zanimljiv opis , mene sad interesuje , kad popiju toliku vodu , to jezeru Tiberias (da se razumijemo to je veliko jezero koje se prostire oko 166 km kvadratnih povrsine) gdije ce ta voda iz njihovih tijela biti izbacena , ili oni ne vrse male nuzde?.
Zanimljiva tema.
Mene vise zanima konkretna lokacija gde bi oni mogli da budu sada. Postavlja se pitanje gde smestiti tolike ljude ako se zna iz hadisa koji je naveden u postu ranije da ce cela zemlja biti prekrivena njihovim lesevima, sto opet znaci da ce ih biti u milijardama.
Ja konkretno nisam za tumacenje da smo mi zapravo Jedzudz i Medzudz zbog specifukuma u njihovom opisu (imace pregradu koju moraju prokopati, popice svu vodu sa Taberijskog jezera, imace pljosna lica poput stitova i sitne oci..), ali sam nasao zanimljivo tumacenje koje govori o tome
However to his suprise he will find that they are all dead and he will shout, "Good news! Your enemy has died,"
Prophet Jesus and his companions will come down but will find that the earth is full with their stinking corpses. Yet again Prophet Jesus and his companions will turn to Allah and pray. Allah will send birds with necks like the necks of Bactarian camels which will carry the corpses and throw them where Allah wishes. Thereafter, Allah will send rain and the earth will be cleaned. (Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim)
Supovi
Krila su im vrlo dugačka i široka, a rep relativno kratak i ravan ili lagano zaobljen. Ne hvataju živi plijen i hrane se gotovo isključivo strvinom.
"Gog and Magog will fire their arrows into the sky, and they will fall back to earth with something like
blood on them. Gog and Magog will say, 'We have defeated the people of
earth, and overcome the people of heaven. Then Allah will send a kind of
worm in the napes of their necks, and they will be killed by it' 'By Him
in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, the beasts of the earth will become
, ako bi vise simbolicno tumacili rijece strijela, moglo bi tumacenje nesto vako izgledat:
Then Allah will send a kind of
worm in the napes of their necks, and they (Gog and Magog ) will be killed by it'
Zasto ce jih jedan obicni parasitni crv tako lakoh ubit?
Imran Housein- ova teorija je da ce to imat poveznost sa hranom, zato sto su promijenili Allahovo stvorenje (hranu) u kome ima bericeta i "stvroli" nesto sasvim neprirodno (hranu) u kome nece imat bericeta, misleci da ONI kao ljudi mogu stvarat/dizajnirat bolje nego Gospodar svijetova. Ali posto ce jesti smece postace na kraju i smece:
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On November the 9th 1951, Winston Churchill made a speech at the Lord Mayor of London's Banquet at the Guildhall, marking the occasion of the restoration of the effigies of Gog and Magog to their traditional places of honour in the west end of the Guildhall in the City of London. They had been removed during the Blitz to prevent them from being damaged. Earlier figures had been destroyed in the Great Fire of London in 1666. The present pair were carved by Richard Saunders in 1708.
"It seems that they (i.e. Gog and Magog) represent none too badly the present state of world politics. World politics, like the history of Gog and Magog, are very confused and much disputed. Still, I think there is room for both of them. On the one side is Gog, and on the other is Magog. But be careful, my Lord Mayor, when you put them back, to keep them from colliding with each other; for if that happens, both Gog and Magog would be smashed to pieces and we should all have to begin all over again and begin from the bottom of the pit." (Source: The Times, London, for 10 November 1951)
The term 'The Iron Curtain', was coined by Churchill. Rather an appropriate description, for it was a Curtain of Iron which Dhul Qarnain erected to prevent Gog and Magog spreading their terrifying, malevolent corruption in the land.
In a television documentary, covering the world at war, it was disclosed that before the end of World War II, Joseph Stalin (lets say, representing Gog) and Winston Churchill (representing Magog) met at what was called the 'Percentage Conference', at which they exchanged percentages of the various countries they controlled for those they wished to control. For instance, Britain took a 90% share in Greece, in exchange for giving up its 90% control of Rumania. Afterwards, Churchill is reported to have said to Stalin ‑ who, by the way, was a Georgian from the Caucasus:
"Its a pity God didn't consult us when He made the world?"
To which Stalin is said to have replied:
"Yes, and that was His first mistake."
Britain then fermented civil war in Greece in which the Communists, who looked to Stalin for help, were betrayed by him. A reflection of the Arabic root of Gog (Ya'juj) portrays a meaning association of something worthless, like an artificial pearl, as well as rendering something worthless, and of destroying, annihilating and burning out. Zainab bint Jahsh reported that Allah's apostle, upon whom be showered peace, got up from sleep saying:
"'There is a destruction in store for Arabia because of turmoil which is at hand, the barrier of Gog and Magog has opened so much'. And Sufyan made a sign of ten with the help of his hand (in order to indicate the width of the gap) and I said: 'Allah's Messenger, would we be perished in spite of the fact that there would be good people amongst us'? Thereupon he said: 'Of course, but only when the evil predominates'." (Muslim)
The Bible refers to 'Magog' as the second son of Japheth between Gomer and Madai, Gomer representing the Cimmerians, Madai, the Medes. But in the list of nations, Genesis 10, the term connotes rather the complex of barbarian peoples dwelling at the extreme north and north east of the earth as one finds in that chapter; in Ezekiel 39:6, the Magog is referred to as a northern people, the leader of whom is Gog. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, article 'Gog and Magog', Josephus identifies them with the Scythians, a name which among the classical writers stands for a number of unknown ferocious tribes. According to Jerome, Magog was situated beyond the Caucasus near the Caspian Sea. The barrier referred to in the Hadith and the Qur'an is the famous wall built between Derbend and Darial. It is a very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurring on the main route between Turkestan and India. It is now in Soviet territory in the district of Daghistan. Before the southern expansion of Russia in 1813, it belonged to Persia. A spur of Mount Caucasus here comes up close to the sea. A map showing this particular route is to be found in the opening of Arthur Koestler's book 'The Thirteenth Tribe'. However, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, in his translation of the Qur'an, says in the appendix to Surah 18, The Cave, in which Gog and MaGog are mentioned, that if, as he believes, Dhul Qarnain, or Zul - qarnain was Alexander the Great, then the more likely location for this iron curtain or obstruction, is near another Derbend in Central Asia. He states:
"...I do not consider that historical or geographical considerations have much bearing on a story treated as a Parable, as Zul - qarnain's story is. Indeed all stories or narrations are referred to in the Qur'an as Parables, for their spiritual meaning. Heated controversies or dogmatic assertions as to precise dates, personalities, or localities, seem to me to be out of place."
He further observes:
"The question of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) and the iron barrier built to keep them out is of some interest. It is practically agreed that they were the wild tribes of Central Asia which have made inroads on settled kingdoms and Empires at various stages of history. The Chinese Empires suffered from their incursions and built the Great Wall of China to keep out the Manchus and Mongols. The Persian Empire suffered from them at various times and at various points. Their incursions into Europe in large hordes caused migrations and displacements of populations on an enormous scale, and eventually broke up the Roman Empire. These tribes were known vaguely to the Greeks and Romans as "Scythians", but that term does not help us very much, either ethnically or geographically. If we could locate the iron barrier or iron gates referred to in Surah 18, verse 96, we should have a closer idea of the tribes whom the barrier was meant to keep out. The Barrier in the text must have been more in the nature of iron gates than an iron wall. Two Iron Gates, geographically far apart, have been suggested in the alternative. Sometimes they have been mixed up by writers not strong on geography. Both of them have local associations with the name Alexander the Great. Both are near a town Derbend, and have borne the name Bab - ul - hadid (Arabic for "Iron Gate")".
"The best known in modern times is at the town and seaport of Derbend in the middle of the western coast of the Caspian Sea", formerly the Khazar Sea, but "the gate which corresponds exactly to the Quranic description, and has the best claim to be connected with Alexander's story ... is near another Derbend in Central Asia, Hissar District, about 150 miles south - east of Bukhara. A very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurs on the main route between Turkestan and India: Latitude 38N; Longitude 67E. It is now called in Turkic, Buzghol - Khana (Goat House), but was formerly known as the Iron Gate (in Arabic, "Bab - ul - hadid"; in Persian, "Dar - i - ahani; in Chinese "T'ie - men - kuan"). There is no iron gate there now, but there was one in the 7th century, when the Chinese traveller Hiouen Tsiang saw it on his journey to India. He saw two folding gates cased with iron and hung with bells. Near by is a lake Iskander Kul, connecting the locality with Alexander the Great. We know from history that Alexander, after his conquest of Persia and before his journey to India, visited Sogdiana (Bukhara) and Marcanda (Samarkand). We also know from Muqaddasi, the Arab traveller and geographer, who wrote about AH 375 (AD 985 - 6) that the 'Abbasi Khalifa Wathiq (842 - 846 AD) sent out a mission to Central Asia to report on this Iron Gate. They found the defile 150 yards wide: on two jambs made with bricks of iron welded together with molten lead, were hung two huge gates, which were kept closed. Nothing could correspond more exactly with the description in Surah 18, 95 - 96."
"If then, the Barrier in Surah 18, 95 - 98 refers to the Iron Gate near Bukhara, we are able to proceed to a consideration of the Gog Magog people with some confidence. They were the Mongol tribes on the other side of the Barrier, while the industrious men who did not understand Zul - qarnain's language were the Turks, with their agglutinative language, so different from the languages then spoken in Western Asia. The Barrier served its purpose for the time being. But the warning that the time would come when it must crumble to dust has also come true. It has crumbled to dust. Long since, the Mongols pushed through on their westward journey, pushing the Turks before them, and the Turks became a European power and still have a footing in Europe. We need not bother about the legends of the Gog Magog people. They were reputedly giants, and two klix hills in flat Cambridgeshire are derisively called the Gog Magog hills! Similarly the statues of Gog Magog in the Guildhall in London, which Maulana Muhammad Ali takes so seriously, only remind us how legends are apt to grow and get transported to strange places. In the Alexander legends of medieval Europe, Gog and Magog are said to have come with 400,000 men to the help of Porus whom Alexander defeated, They fled to the mountains, and Alexander built a wall with brass gates to prevent their irruptions."
On page 115 of 'The Cavendish Encyclopedia of Mythology', we find a 14th - century 'Mongol' painting linking Alexander with Gog and Magog. The caption reads:
"The legends of Alexander the Great seem to have inspired the exploits of a number of Arabian and non - Arabian warrior kings called Dhul - Qarnayn, one of whom is mentioned in the Qur'an. In this 14th - century Il - Khanid 'Mongol' painting, Iskandar (Alexander) is shown extending his realm into the northern regions perpetually shrouded by fog beyond the Caucasus on the route to Gog and Magog."
The link, between Gog & Magog, Goemagog, Gog MacGog, (Mac, meaning son of) or Yajuj * Majuj, with England, was made by Geoffrey of Monmouth in his 'History of The Kings of Britain', around 1136 A.D. The two figures now standing in the Guildhall of the City of London have been officially known as Gog and Magog for the past 300 years. So was Geoffrey of Monmouth just being "inventive" or is there any additional evidence to support his assertion that Britain, particularly the occupants of the Palace of Brute, now The City of London's Guildhall, bear any resemblance to their namesakes - Gog & MacGog, (Yajuj & Majuj)? It might be a valid interpretation of the iron gate that would keep GogMagog at bay until they manage to overcome it, on a day when according to the Qur'an "people will mingle with each other like waves", that it is the mastery of iron, i.e. modern technology, that finally gave them the upper hand in world affairs after the industrial revolution.
In a recent letter to Frank McManus (the present Lord Mayor of Todmorden), John Clark, Curator of Medieval London History and Collections at the Museum of London, pointed out that the link with the City of London and the giant Goemagog goes back to 1558, when wickerwork effigies of Goemagog and his captor, the Trojan Corineus, were carried around The City in the Lord Mayors' processions. In 1558 they were placed at Temple Bar to welcome Queen Elizabeth the Ist on a visit to The City of London having been used earlier on, to welcome Queen Mary and Philip II of Spain at London Bridge in 1554.
Giants have appeared in civic processions in London for more than five centuries, according to Jennifer Westwood, in her book 'Albion. A Guide To Legendary Britain'. In 1415 a pair welcomed Henry V home after Agincourt. Prior to 1554 they seem to have been called Sampson and Herculese. But in Tudor times the more ancient legends of Albion - the earlier name for Britain - came to the fore, and with them, the names of Gog Magog - Gog the Son of Gog.
Eno ih u Siriji i Iraku, ruše džamije, kolju ljude, jedu organe. Eno ih i u Izraelu, ubijaju žene i djecu u Gazi. @apsidejzi je bio nekako najbliži tačnom odgovoru. To je slučaj kada zavlada ono najgore što je u čovjeku, kada njegov životinjski nefs prevlada na razumom. Kratko rečeno tmina duše, dno dna, čovjek prestaje biti čovjekom i postaje životinja u punom smislu riječi. Zapravo i gori od životinje. Također se mogu posmatrati i u kontekstu smutnje, sijanja nereda, širenja laži, manipulacije ljudima, političke, medijske i religijske indoktrinacije.
sleepercode wrote: kad popiju toliku vodu , to jezeru Tiberias (da se razumijemo to je veliko jezero koje se prostire oko 166 km kvadratnih povrsine) gdije ce ta voda iz njihovih tijela biti izbacena .....
asurbanipal wrote:Ko su i šta su, ili bolje rečeno gdje su ?
Eno ih u Siriji i Iraku, ruše džamije, kolju ljude, jedu organe. Eno ih i u Izraelu, ubijaju žene i djecu u Gazi. @apsidejzi je bio nekako najbliži tačnom odgovoru. To je slučaj kada zavlada ono najgore što je u čovjeku, kada njegov životinjski nefs prevlada na razumom. Kratko rečeno tmina duše, dno dna, čovjek prestaje biti čovjekom i postaje životinja u punom smislu riječi. Zapravo i gori od životinje. Također se mogu posmatrati i u kontekstu smutnje, sijanja nereda, širenja laži, manipulacije ljudima, političke, medijske i religijske indoktrinacije.
Pratim ovaj dio foruma i ne rijetko ostajem zapanjen sa cim se pojedinci opterecuju.
Jedzudz i Medzudz, kratke ili duge pantalone, duga ili kratka brada, tespih da ili ne, sta je jeo poslanik s.a.w.s., siiti ili suniti, i bezbroj drugih nebuloza sa kojima pokusavaju da uvode neki red u vjeru.
Pametnije bi takima bilo da izadju na ulicu i pogledaju oko sebe pa vide gdje zive.
Dvorista su im zapustena, ulice su im prljave, komsije su im gladne, psi im ugrozavaju djecu, priroda im je ugrozena.
Zulum na sve strane, a oni se uhvatili nekih gluposti i objasnjavaju nam kako da vjerujemo i kako da budemo pravi muslimani.
Imate sitnih stvari oko sebe sa kojima mozete biti primjer pravih muslimana dok ste zivi, zato manite se opterecivanja glupostima
,Takodje volio bih da spomenemo Dedzala ,nego znate sta je interesantno ,da se sumnja da je da je Izrael i Amerika Jedzudz ili Medzudz,a Rusija i njeni saveznici Medzudz ili Jedzudz
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