Islam i nauka

[osa]

poceo je uspon kad su pokrali sve sa istoka ...

može li se znanje ukrasti?

mudrost nema predznaka, nije ničija svojina. ona je od onog ko je prepozna.

ma može i što je najgore kad ti je ukradu ti je više nemaš, to je arte.fakt htio reći, vjerojatno.....

[respo]

nakon 7 stranica zakljucih da je film kremenko sniman po istinitom dogadjaju
fred kremenko je visok 3 metra a neki dinosaurus je kucni ljubimac
jah

[arzuhal]

Nisi mi odgovorio na pitanje

da sam znao vjerovatno bih ti odgovorio Ne,ne znam zasto je Gadafi pozivao na dzihad a to nije ni bitno,ne mozes na osnovu misljenja i stava pojedinca kreirrati postulate religije,niti poistovijetiti vjeru sa misljenjem tog pojedinca...

http://www.sarajevo-x.com/svijet/clanak/100225119
Evo ti odgovor.
Bitno je, bitno. Zbog moje konstantacije da se ratovi vode, između ostalog, i zbog vjere.
Pozz, moram ići sada imati i društveni život mimo foruma

Vidi nešto, kada već spominješ Gadafija i njegove nebuloze...Gadafijev poziv u džihad protiv Švicarske, a kao u odbranu islama, je najlicemjerniji postupak nekog muslimanskog državnika u zadnjih 10 godina, meščini...
Gadafi je, kao razlog, naveo to da Švicarska zabranjuje gradnju minareta, bla-bla...Stvarni razlog je povrijeđena sujeta i ego pomahnitalog beduinskog kralja:

http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/uhic ... 95413.aspx

A vidjeli ti, dal' mu se iko odazvao u tom džihadu i jel' počeo?

[callmethebreeeze]

gadafi je pod stare dane zamijenio zelenu knjigu musafom.
a cool je sto je sinu dao ime hanibal.

[arzuhal]

gadafi je pod stare dane zamijenio zelenu knjigu musafom.
a cool je sto je sinu dao ime hanibal.

Ja bih svom dao Jack Ili Đulaga...

[Ahmmed]

ovo opet "škola".....za pačiće male


Ako još jednom neko upita šta je džihad, ima da se "raznesem" na forumu,pa će da vidi efekte svoga pitanja

[arzuhal]

Ima, bre, da puknem k'o Lafontenov žabac...

[Ahmmed]

Ima, bre, da puknem k'o Lafontenov žabac...

pa onda da vide čija majka crnu vunu prede

[callmethebreeeze]

gadafi je pod stare dane zamijenio zelenu knjigu musafom.
a cool je sto je sinu dao ime hanibal.

Ja bih svom dao Jack Ili Đulaga...

samo saladin dolazi u obzir, apropos ove price o dzihadu.

[BSn]

Definiraj mi riječ džihad, molim te.

Napadnu te, brani se...Eto ti definicije

A ako ti zasiata mislis,da se ratovi vode zbog vjere i u ime Njegovo,onda fakat mislim da ti je razmisljanje jako nezrelo i naivno,bez uvrede...

Ratovi se, između ostalog, vode i zbog vjere. To je činjenica i tako je vazda bilo i bit će. To nije naivno razmišljanje, to je istina, koje se većina vjernika stidi.
Jesi li upoznat o tome je li Gadafi pozivao na džihad protiv Švicaraca i zašto? Ta situacija je bila u skorije vrijeme.

Dzihad nije (ili nije samo) ono sto kaze CNN. A ako te vec interesira, siroko ti internetsko polje, pa trazi. Neces, valjda, tek tako vjerovati anonimnim forumasima?!


Kako samo s Nuhove ladje i dinosaurusa dodjoste do dzihada? I jos jednom: .

[Ahmmed]

@callmethe....jok saladin, salahudin, brate



Bsn, da je tema o uzgoju pilića, ili o ljubičicinom cvatu, opet bi se došlo do džihada

[No_oNe__]

dzihad je naziv za sveti rat - ali ne sveti rat jednog covjeka spram drugog
nego rat ili borbu covjeka SA SAMIM SOBOM
izdrzati u ovom svijetu i ostati normalan, i ne skrenuti sa pravog puta (u smislu postivanja osnovnih vjerskih pravila, ne ubij, ne ukradi, ne lazi ... itd)

to sto su tamo neki talibani to shvatili tako kako su shvatili i iskoristili rijec za svoja zvjerstva
pa svi vi nenaivni ljudi koji ne vjerujete u bogove prihvatili (jer ste tako demokratski nastrojeni i prihvatate svaciju volju i nacin zivota)
to je vec nesto drugo

[therrarrius]

Uspjelo se doci do dzihada i kremenka.

Napreduje se

[bijela]

kakva tema takav i moj doprinos

[ikrime]

dzihad je naziv za sveti rat - ali ne sveti rat jednog covjeka spram drugog
nego rat ili borbu covjeka SA SAMIM SOBOM
izdrzati u ovom svijetu i ostati normalan, i ne skrenuti sa pravog puta (u smislu postivanja osnovnih vjerskih pravila, ne ubij, ne ukradi, ne lazi ... itd)

to sto su tamo neki talibani to shvatili tako kako su shvatili i iskoristili rijec za svoja zvjerstva
pa svi vi nenaivni ljudi koji ne vjerujete u bogove prihvatili (jer ste tako demokratski nastrojeni i prihvatate svaciju volju i nacin zivota)
to je vec nesto drugo

Talibani

[callmethebreeeze]

@callmethe....jok saladin, salahudin, brate



Bsn, da je tema o uzgoju pilića, ili o ljubičicinom cvatu, opet bi se došlo do džihada

da, u pravu si, ali ja sam ga pobosancio

[vesna3]

Otisla je ova tema daleko od onoga sto je prvotno pitanje, a vidim da se odmah krece sa nacionalističko/rasističkom retorikom i da malo ljudi može prihvatiti drugačije razmišljanje i stavove, stoga se ja lagano povlačim jer ne bih htjela uvrijediti nikoga, niti da me ovo opterecuje.
Pozdrav forumašima koji su znali fino diskutirati i izmjenjivati stavove, bez tenzija, svaka cast, a ja se bum vratil na temu o ljubavi i kritičnoj trećoj godini veze
Laka vam noc!

[ljubav_aha]

kad sam vidio temu ovo mi je odmah palo na pamet, međutim čovjek me preduhitri, možda ne bi bilo loše navesti da islamski svijet koristi samo pola ljudskog, dakle i intelektualnog potencijala, žene naime ne sudjeluju previše u nauci( nemojte samo navoditi pojedinačne primjere), to je veliki hendikep, a najveći hendikep je prepuštanje sudbini u stilu, "volja allahova" ili "allah dao allah uzeo", naime to ne postoji, svatko je kovač svoje sudbine.
pogledajte kad je počeo uspon europskih država, tj. općenito zapada, kad su makli vjeru od politike i moći.....

[ljubav_aha]

For a civilization as magnificent as Islamic Civilization to decline to such a degree, more than one factor must be necessary, but Fr. Jaki at least explains the decline of Islamic science, which, in turn, allowed the West to gain technological superiority in warfare.

There were likely other contributions to the decline of Islamic Civilization, including many minor issues that those more expert on the subject could identify. I have observed that all empires face the challenge of maintaining control of territory, which is especially difficult in areas where the population is unwilling to be subject to foreign rule. The challenge was made all the more difficult in Spain, for example, where Arab Muslims failed to live up always to their reputation as tolerant of other faiths.

Another contribution to the decline of Islamic Civilization is infighting among Muslims, especially Arabs. In contrast, the Christians were able to unite at critical moments, such as when they formed the Holy League under Pope Pius V in order to prevent the Ottoman Turks from seizing Rome, which the Christians accomplished by a spectacular naval victory at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, whereas the Arab rebellion against the Ottomans, assisted famously by the leadership of Lawrence of Arabia during the First World War, led to the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

The return of the development of science and technology in Islamic Civilization would benefit not only Muslims, but also the West, just as Muslims have benefited from Western technology. But the West would further benefit from an improvement in the quality of life for Muslims if Muslims feel less dependent on Western technology, and less full of despair and inferiority. As the Muslim standard of living rises, trade with the West would increase, which, in turn decreases the likelihood of armed conflict between the two civilizations.

Peaceful coexistence between Islamic and Western civilizations is possible. A successful example is the agreement reached between the Muslim leader Saladin and Christian leader King Richard the Lionhearted during the Crusades, in which to this day a Muslim family maintains the key to the holy sites in Jerusalem and Bethlehem, and allows Christians access to them. In turn, the local Muslims gain from the commerce generated by the Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land.

I hope that my discussion about the decline of Islamic Civilization promotes better understanding of the theological foundation of modern science, which would benefit both Islamic and Western civilization.

[ljubav_aha]

kad sam vidio temu ovo mi je odmah palo na pamet, međutim čovjek me preduhitri, možda ne bi bilo loše navesti da islamski svijet koristi samo pola ljudskog, dakle i intelektualnog potencijala, žene naime ne sudjeluju previše u nauci( nemojte samo navoditi pojedinačne primjere), to je veliki hendikep, a najveći hendikep je prepuštanje sudbini u stilu, "volja allahova" ili "allah dao allah uzeo", naime to ne postoji, svatko je kovač svoje sudbine.
pogledajte kad je počeo uspon europskih država, tj. općenito zapada, kad su makli vjeru od politike i moći.....

poceo je uspon kad su pokrali sve sa istoka ...

Many of the scholars who translated the manuscripts of the Greeks, Indians and Chinese, and who flocked to Baghdad in the golden age, were Christians, Jews and pagans. Although the West as we know it today didn't exist in the 9th and 10th centuries, one could say that the Arab world was, for a time, part of the intellectual circle that would become the West. Many of the Greek classics reached Europe via Muslim Toledo, in Spain, where they were translated from Arabic into Latin.

These people were not religious priest or Mullahs; they were intellectuals of that particular civilization. Islamic civilization actually acted as the conduit between the ancient science and western receiver who actually better utilized the ancient product. Had there been other civilization such as Mongols or Chinese dominant at that very period instead of Arab civilization-same thing could have happened with the transmitting of science to the West. We must not forget that major breakthrough in science that world knew about the Arab civilization are the Arab numerals, Gunpowders, paper, medical knowledge, etc. And it is interesting to note that among those ancient science-Arab actually got numerals from Indian mathematicians called "Hindu-Arabic Numerals" Gun powder and papers technology from Chinese; and Medical knowledge from Indian, Egyptians, Persians, Mesopotamians, and Chinese.

Brief History how Arabs did get science:

The Paper: It was a Chinese invention of the first century A.D. and it reached the Middle East via the Battle of Talas (near Tashkent) in 751, when some Chinese paper makers were captured by the Arabs. But it was the Arabs who rose paper making to new heights.

The hospital: was a Persian idea from as early as the sixth century, under the
name "bimaristan." But in Baghdad the institution became much more sophisticated, with special wards for internal diseases, contagious cases and psychiatric patients. Field hospitals accompanying Arab armies were also introduced.

The Mathematics: In the late eighth century, an Indian merchant brought to Baghdad two seminal mathematical works. One was the Brahmasphuta Siddhanta, known to Arabs as the Sindhind, the work of the great seventh-century Indian mathematician Brahmagupta. This contained early ideas about al-jabr, to give algebra its Arabic name. It was this work that Muhammad ibn-Musa al-Khwarizmi in the ninth century was to expand on so successfully. Khwarizmi became known as "the father of algebra" and gave his name to algorithms.

The same Indian merchant also brought a manuscript that introduced for the first time outside India the nine Hindu numerals we use to this day and are now called Arabic numerals. (Before that, numbers were written out as words or notated with letters of the alphabet.) This document also contained the first mention of the 0, which the Arabs called zephirum, from which our words zero and cipher are derived. But again, it was the Baghdadis who built on these imported innovations, to create what one historian of mathematics has called "the Arabic hegemony." In addition to Khwarizmi, this group included Ibn Turk, al-Karkhi, al-Biruni, al-Haytham (called Alhazen in the West), Nasir Eddin and Omar Khayyam (of the "Rubaiyat" fame).

[ljubav_aha]

kritika: nisu svi naucnici doticnog doba bili iskljucivo muslimani

[dr.gog]

Ne možete ovako otvarati teme .Krajnje neozbiljno je kopirati kilometarske tekstove kao uvod u vlastitu temu,a isto važi i za tekstove na stranim jezicima.Koristite pretraživač foruma prethodno.