Francuska intervencija u Maliju i Somaliji

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Mali: Tokom francuske vojne intervencije bez doma ostale stotine hiljada ljudi
A. A. | 09. 02. 2013. • 19:39







Tokom francuske vojne intervencije u Maliju 352.620 osoba ostalo je bez svojih domova, saopćio je direktor agencije pri Ministarstvu socijalne skrbi Malija Kamissoko Diarra Nahan, prenosi reporter agencije Anadolija (AA). On je dodao da je ...


... Mali upao u krizu s hranom, te da je situacija u toj afričkoj zemlji danas slična prilikama u Somaliji.

„Od početka rata smanjena je i poljoprivredna proizvodnja“, rekao je Nahan.

Nahan se zahvalio turskim civilnim organizacijama, u prvom redu Turskoj agenciji za međunarodnu saradnju i koordinaciju (TIKA) i Turskoj humanitarnoj organizaciji za ljudska prava (IHH) na pruženoj pomoći.

„Volimo Tursku i zahvalni smo joj na pruženoj finansijskoj pomoći narodu Malija“, dodao je on.

Agencija Anadolija (AA) je nakon posjete izbjegličkom kampu na granici sa Mauritanijom svijetu prva prikazala tragediju naroda Malija, donoseći i drugu stranu navodne borbe protiv terorista u napaćenoj zemlji.
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[insomnia78]

Koliko je od tih ljudi pobjeglo od ljepota vladavine terorista, koliko od izvjesne osvete crnackog stsnovnistva, koliko od direktnih ratnih dejstava?
Nista nije crno bijelo

s' moje sokocalo

[ZV Keli]

To oko pronalazenja nafte je smijesno ali isto tako i dzihadisti ili islamisti.Pa zar mislite da te prostitutke za Zapada misle o tome ili nekim svojim interesima ?

[insomnia78]

Naravno da interes pokrece sve.

s' moje sokocalo

[%tacno*]

nekada se to zvalo kolonijalizam

[cyprus]

To oko pronalazenja nafte je smijesno ali isto tako i dzihadisti ili islamisti.Pa zar mislite da te prostitutke za Zapada misle o tome ili nekim svojim interesima ?

100 puta smo utvridli da niko ne radi ništa bez vlastitog interesa, posebno kada je riječ o politici...

A jedan od francuskih interesa je i nemati terorističko leglo nadomak Evrope...

[Challenger__]

A jedan od francuskih interesa je i nemati terorističko leglo nadomak Evrope...

Može li se reći da američki interes jeste obrnut?

[cyprus]

A jedan od francuskih interesa je i nemati terorističko leglo nadomak Evrope...

Može li se reći da američki interes jeste obrnut?

Ne mislim...

[Challenger__]

A jedan od francuskih interesa je i nemati terorističko leglo nadomak Evrope...

Može li se reći da američki interes jeste obrnut?

Ne mislim...

OK. Dakle, francuska intervencija u Maliju i Somaliji je rukovođena 1. interesima - i - 2. da se spriječi "terorističko leglo nadomak Evrope", dok je američko favorizovanje ekstremista i terorista, od Libije do Sirije u funkciji 1. interesa i 2. "demokratizacije".

Bravo.

[cyprus]

OK. Dakle, francuska intervencija u Maliju i Somaliji je rukovođena 1. interesima - i - 2. da se spriječi "terorističko leglo nadomak Evrope", dok je američko favorizovanje ekstremista i terorista, od Libije do Sirije u funkciji 1. interesa i 2. "demokratizacije".

Bravo.

U Siriji i Libiji stati na bilo čiju stranu znači birati manje od dva zla... Amerika i zapad su izabrali tako kako su izabrali, pokazat će se da li su i koliko pogriješili... Ja lično bih tu ganjo neko kompromisno rješenje... al jebo mene, nisam relevantan

Mali sa druge strane ne može nikako ići u poređenje sa Sirijom i Libijom...

[AleksoMKD]

Nije lako biti srednji menager teroristicko-ekstremisticke koalicije, kako objasnjava genijalni War Nerd u svojoj analizi memoranduma Abdelmalik Droukdel-a o problemima dzihadista u Maliju.

Procitajte, stvarno vredi i ima vise smisla nego analize raznoraznih "eksperata" koji se vrzmaju po mainstream medijima.
Objasnjava, i to brilijantno, problem razlicitih kultura nominalno iste religije, problem koordinacije nominalnih saveznika iz vise grupa i problem netolerancije i najmanje razlike u lokalnoj kulturi sa kulturom (ili "kulturom") boraca koji zele da zavedu serijat.
Tacno navodi kako i zasto ce doci intervencija i zasto ce lokalno stanovnistvo mrzeti ekstremiste duuuuugo vremena posle ovoga.

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/jihadi-middle-manager

There wasn’t anything like a “terror network” operating in Mali, even when the northern half of the country was marked with those diagonal red lines meaning “under Islamist control” a few months ago. Al Qaeda is as dead as bin Laden, and it died—if it ever really existed—years before the Old Man himself was shot up while watching Jeopardy reruns in Abbotabad.

There are plenty of Islamists, from one or another of the hardline traditions—Salafist, Wahhabi, Deobandi—but they don’t report to any central Al Qaeda Board of Directors. It’s always local, much more local than the news services want to tell you. In Mali, there was a simple physics problem, a surplus of energy in the Maghrib, the rim of North Africa. Some of that energy spun back south, across the Sahara, into places like Mali.

Normally, if you’ll recall your HS Physics, “Nature abhors a vacuum,” but Nature is normally willing to tolerate one in Mali. It was just that for a while, after the Islamists lost the Algerian Civil War and Qaddafi was blasted out of Libya, there was so much excess weaponry and such a huge surplus of unemployed freelance jihadis up there, a lot of them Tuaregs nursing the old ambition to have their own ridiculous landlocked chunk of Sahara, that something was bound to pop in Mali.

Naturally, what happened next was that local agendas started dividing the Jihadis. This always happens, because “Jihad” means whatever a bunch of 20-something local guys want it to mean. To the Tuareg nationalists of the FMLN, it meant a Tuareg homeland. To the Algerian Salafists, it meant a chance to regroup and win, for once, against a much softer opponent than the Algerian Army. To Ansar Dine, a crossover band, it meant a Tuareg homeland that would be quasi-Islamist, soft-Jihadi. To the Mauritanian Maraboutis, who’d been sulking for years about the way AQIM promoted Algerians over West Africans, it was a chance to form their own command, the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa (MUJWA). For a few hundred freelance Jihadists who bounce from war to war, it was a great new gig. And for the few—real few—klix Al Qaeda management types trying to keep all these groups in line, it was one more chance to try to establish a genuine “Qaeda,” a real base of operations, without screwing up yet again.

The memo that our intrepid Associated Press reporter found going through the trash in Timbuktu was written by Abdelmalik Droukdel, the official leader of Al Qaeda in West Africa. But what the memo shows is that, with so many different agendas, local traditions, and just plain levels of militant craziness in the command, Droukdel had no control at all over what his men did in the few months they had control of Northern Mali.

Which brings us to the second big asterisk in that lead sentence AP wrote: their claim that this memo spells out “the terror network’s strategy for conquering northern Mali…” I mean, that’s a fair assessment; the memo does talk about strategy; but a lot of us have a lot of strategies. A lot of us have a strategy to beat the lottery or make it in Hollywood. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen, and the fact that the remnants of Al Qaeda had a notion of what they should do in Mali doesn’t mean they ever had a chance to put it into practice. AP more or less admits that in the last part of the sentence, where they add that the memo also “[reflects] internal discord over how to rule the region.”

That’s the key here. In fact, Abdelmalik Droukdel had no control over the various militias operating in the name of Jihad. His memo is one long whine about what the Jihadis are doing wrong. But what’s even more interesting is that, as usual, the Jihadis are doing what their holy Book says to do; Droukdel was in a hopelessly weak position not only because he didn’t really control the troops under his nominal command but because the hotheads really were doing what a Jihadi is supposed to do—and his only argument against doing it is that it wasn’t politically wise.

Over and over, Droukdel says that it’s not politically smart to start amputating people’s hands and whipping women for not covering up. He talks like middle management—which he is, in the ridiculous Al Qaeda organizational chart. He talks about Mali as a “project,” as if he was dealing with product placement in a new franchise—which he was, according to his terms. And like a good guerrilla manager who’s read his Mao, he tries to teach the knuckleheads working for him that taking and losing territory isn’t nearly as important as winning over the people.

In other words, it’s stupid to apply Shariah by the book in a region that has its own variant of Islam, a Sufi-based version that allows women more freedom than they get in the Arabian Peninsula and even allows the people to pray at the graves of Sufi saints (any elaborate grave is a mortal sin to a Wahhabi). Here’s how Droukdel says it:

“It is very probable, perhaps certain, that a military intervention will occur ... which in the end will either force us to retreat to our rear bases or will provoke the people against us…Taking into account this important factor, we must not go too far or take risks in our decisions or imagine that this project is a stable Islamic state."

What he’s saying is, “Go easy on the locals until we’ve made them loyal to us. Then we can step it up and apply fullcourt Shariah. If we do it now, when we’re probably going to have to flee after a few months, they’ll remember us as mean bastards, which will ruin the whole project.”

The trouble is, when you’re a Jihadi, you’re not supposed to think in terms of projects or gradualism or marketing. You’re supposed to make Jihad. You’re supposed to do it by the book. Period. That’s the one weak point of a totalized ideology: you can’t really take it slow. Not if you’re ready to give your life for the Book. There must’ve been some angry Jihadis reading Droukdel’s weak, whiny argument to take it slow, to treat Mali as an “experiment”:

"One of the wrong policies that we think you carried out is the extreme speed with which you applied Shariah, not taking into consideration the gradual evolution that should be applied in an environment that is ignorant of religion. Our previous experience proved that applying Shariah this way, without taking the environment into consideration, will lead to people rejecting the religion, and engender hatred toward the mujahedeen, and will consequently lead to the failure of our experiment."

He really does talk like a marketing consultant: “Our previous experience proved that applying Shariah this way, without taking the environment into consideration, will lead to people rejecting the religion…” Here again, of course, he’s right in practical terms but the hotheads are right in Jihadi terms. If you really believe in the one holy Book, you’re not supposed to take “the environment” into consideration. That’s the whole fuckin’ idea, as Joe Pesci might say: one right way, and screw the local variations. God is supposed to be on your side, damn it, and if that’s true, if you really believe it, why should you care about “the environment”?
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It’s just a hopeless job trying to be the moderate Jihadi in a Salafist military occupation, especially when it’s a Malian town you’re occupying. A lot of what passes for Islam under Wahhabism is Arab culture, and it doesn’t fit well at all on a Niger River town like Timbuktu, where a lot of the culture—especially the way men and women relate to each other—is much warmer and more relaxed than it is in the Arabic-speaking countries.

Malians like courtship, like flirting, don’t see it as evil incarnate the way it is in places like Saudi. (I remember stories of the Mutawwa, the Saudi religious police, organizing 12-man stakeout operations in the local mall in the small Saudi town where I lived, just to catch a teen guy waving to a girl.) You can see Droukdel whining about this over and over in his memo, complaining to his subordinates in Timbuktu that “…you prevented women from going out, and prevented children from playing, and searched the houses of the population." You can get away with that stuff in the Peninsula, but not in Africa. Kids play there; men and women too.

Droukdel’s memo is an amazing little document, but not in the way AP is making it out to be. They’re pretending it’s as if we got a real secret document from a real opposing power, like the USSR back in the day. It’s nothing like that. Al Qaeda, if it exists at all, is so totally penetrated by now that nothing it does is secret, except from us nobodies in the general population. The people who count in DC, Brussels, Moscow and Beijing get copies of Al Qaeda memos before the troops do. And as for the “strategy” they’re supposed to reveal—there’s more strategy in a Hail Mary pass with a few seconds on the clock.

What the memo really shows is how damn hard it is to play the middle-management compromiser, the squeamish marketing specialist, in an organization that’s defined by going strictly by the Book. In that way it’s got the basis for a great sitcom, with Droukdel as the harassed boss trying to keep a bunch of nutty subordinates in order long enough to get through the day. It’s a hopeless stance he’s taking, and a hilarious one: “Shariah yes, but gradual Shariah, just a little Shariah at a time...” It doesn’t work that way, and you can’t blame the people who rolled into town for being a little severe with the populace, cutting off a few hands or whipping a few unveiled females. They’ve seen most of the people they knew killed off for Jihad, and now this Ace Rothstein of the Jihad is telling them, like de Niro told Pesci, to go easy to “let the bullshit blow over for a while.” And there’s nothing in the Book that allows for that.

[AleksoMKD]

Vodnik Harold Vormezeele je poginuo kao pripadnik 2-og padobranskog puka Frencuske Legije Stranaca.

http://www.infosdefense.com/mali-des-fr ... rem-16620/

Ovo je drugi vojnik Francuskih oruzanih snaga koji je poginuo od pocetka intervencije.

[semirizsvemira]

Koliko je od tih ljudi pobjeglo od ljepota vladavine terorista, koliko od izvjesne osvete crnackog stsnovnistva, koliko od direktnih ratnih dejstava?
Nista nije crno bijelo

s' moje sokocalo

Kojih terorista bola , sta bulaznish i pjenish Ne znam sto ovu hranu nisu poslali francuzi ane Turci , Sta turci imaju sa ovim

[kojetou]

Nema terorista kod muslimana sta vam je ljudi? Arapi i ti tamo poarapljeni crnci su poznati u svijetu po miru, toleranciji, postovanju prema zenama i drugacijima, demokratiji, prosvijetljenom pogledu na zivot i uopste govoreci vole jednostavno dobar zivot. I pored svega toga jos u svoje zemlje primise 10% siromasnih krstcana koji jos izgradise crkve po jemenu i saudijskoj arabiji kakve su zelijeli i htijeli i idu besplatno u najbolje faxove svijeta... Trebamo se malo ugledati na njih a ne ih bombardovati i optuzivati za terorizam.

Zene su im pravo emanicipovane i skolovane i totalno jednaki sa muskarcima. Nema govora da im zivot diktira 99,9999% jedna knjiga koja propagira da je zivijeti na nacin kao iz 700. godine jedini ispravni.

Pored toga su veliki radnici, visoko napredovali u svim segmentima tehnologije i nauke tako da neznam uopste sta se imaju primitivni, zauteceni i zaustali evropljani tamo mjesati...

[AleksoMKD]

French soldiers take up positions near Independence Plaza, formerly Sharia Square, during fighting with Islamists in Gao, February 21, 2013.



Uglavnom se borbe vode sa crncima koji su bili na strani ekstremista.
Njih nisu poveli u povlacenje izgleda.

[semirizsvemira]

Vodnik Harold Vormezeele je poginuo kao pripadnik 2-og padobranskog puka Frencuske Legije Stranaca.

http://www.infosdefense.com/mali-des-fr ... rem-16620/

Ovo je drugi vojnik Francuskih oruzanih snaga koji je poginuo od pocetka intervencije.

Bas mi gazao nesto

[semirizsvemira]

Nema terorista kod muslimana sta vam je ljudi? Arapi i ti tamo poarapljeni crnci su poznati u svijetu po miru, toleranciji, postovanju prema zenama i drugacijima, demokratiji, prosvijetljenom pogledu na zivot i uopste govoreci vole jednostavno dobar zivot. I pored svega toga jos u svoje zemlje primise 10% siromasnih krstcana koji jos izgradise crkve po jemenu i saudijskoj arabiji kakve su zelijeli i htijeli i idu besplatno u najbolje faxove svijeta... Trebamo se malo ugledati na njih a ne ih bombardovati i optuzivati za terorizam.

Zene su im pravo emanicipovane i skolovane i totalno jednaki sa muskarcima. Nema govora da im zivot diktira 99,9999% jedna knjiga koja propagira da je zivijeti na nacin kao iz 700. godine jedini ispravni.

Pored toga su veliki radnici, visoko napredovali u svim segmentima tehnologije i nauke tako da neznam uopste sta se imaju primitivni, zauteceni i zaustali evropljani tamo mjesati...

Daj ne bulazni svega ti . Muslimani nisu genocidni , muslimani ne ruse bogomolje , muslimani ne siluju zene , muslimani ne ubijaju djecu , muslimani ne bacaju atomske bombe na civile , muslimani ne napadaju Zapad vec taj miroljubivi Zapad u ime mira pljacka i otima svuda u svijetu .Na tom ciivilizarnom Zapadu svaki dan se ubije oko 5000 djece , daakle u jednoj minuti ubijeno je ubijeno 3 djece . ( dok sam ovo pidsao ) . Taj civilizovani Zapad pljacka i ubija , siluje i rushi u zadnjih dvjesta godina je zbog tog civilizranog i razvijenog Zapada ubijeno oko 700 miliona ljudi ( samo ubnijeno , ne racunajuci one koji umrli od polsjedica ratova i stradanja ) . A zene , pa mi ne dozvoljavamo da nase zene budu kurve i da je incest normala pojava . Kada iole malo jedna drzava postigne neki uspjeh odmah se bombarduje ( Irak ) a ceka se i Iran . Medjutim danasnja Turska se nece moci bombardovati pljackati , Ona ce biti predvodnik kao nekad davno , ako Bog da . Uz Egipat , Siriju , Tunis a kasnije Maroko , Alzir , Jemen , i naravno kada ode odvratna familija u SA bit ce prpe . Bir ce hilafeta i sudice se pravedno kao nekad davno . Pa ce oni koji siluju zene a danas na Zapadu se siluje zena svake minute ( toliko o zenama ) a podatak da ima 5 miliona kurvi na ulicama USA govori koje vrijednosti vrijede za zene kojih samo iu Njujorku ima oko milion vise od muskaraca Zasto na Zapadu ljudi prelaze na Islam . Pa Islam ima odgovor na sve A vi se i dalje radujte ubijanju drzavljana Malija i njihovoj pljacki

[jeza u ledja]

[OpusDei]

Najzabavnije je sto ovaj lik zivi na zapadu Kao i vecina sajber dzihadlija uostalom. Nikako ne zele da zivi tamo gdje vladaju islamski zakoni

[insomnia78]

http://www.avaz.ba/globus/svijet/sakrij ... ske-vojske
Mikrovalnom protiv projektila:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
Dobro iko prezivi.

s' moje sokocalo

[cyprus]

Otkud im mikrovalne?

[AleksoMKD]

Bas mi gazao nesto

Al pametni su nema sta. Zato i sluzi legija stranaca, nije poginuo Francuz.

Daj ne bulazni svega ti . Muslimani nisu genocidni , muslimani ne ruse bogomolje , muslimani ne siluju zene , muslimani ne ubijaju djecu , muslimani ne bacaju atomske bombe na civile , muslimani ne napadaju Zapad vec taj miroljubivi Zapad u ime mira pljacka i otima svuda u svijetu .Na tom ciivilizarnom Zapadu svaki dan se ubije oko 5000 djece , daakle u jednoj minuti ubijeno je ubijeno 3 djece . ( dok sam ovo pidsao ) . Taj civilizovani Zapad pljacka i ubija , siluje i rushi u zadnjih dvjesta godina je zbog tog civilizranog i razvijenog Zapada ubijeno oko 700 miliona ljudi ( samo ubnijeno , ne racunajuci one koji umrli od polsjedica ratova i stradanja ) . A zene , pa mi ne dozvoljavamo da nase zene budu kurve i da je incest normala pojava . Kada iole malo jedna drzava postigne neki uspjeh odmah se bombarduje ( Irak ) a ceka se i Iran . Medjutim danasnja Turska se nece moci bombardovati pljackati , Ona ce biti predvodnik kao nekad davno , ako Bog da . Uz Egipat , Siriju , Tunis a kasnije Maroko , Alzir , Jemen , i naravno kada ode odvratna familija u SA bit ce prpe . Bir ce hilafeta i sudice se pravedno kao nekad davno . Pa ce oni koji siluju zene a danas na Zapadu se siluje zena svake minute ( toliko o zenama ) a podatak da ima 5 miliona kurvi na ulicama USA govori koje vrijednosti vrijede za zene kojih samo iu Njujorku ima oko milion vise od muskaraca Zasto na Zapadu ljudi prelaze na Islam . Pa Islam ima odgovor na sve A vi se i dalje radujte ubijanju drzavljana Malija i njihovoj pljacki

Ne mogu generalizirati i reci muslimani jer kao i u svim grupama ima velikih razlika i podela i medju ljudima koji sebe nazivaju muslimanima. Pisem koji sebe nazivaju jer kao i u svakoj religiji ima budala da sebi uzimaju za pravo da opredeljuju koj je musliman a ko nije.

Tu mislim na zaostale tipove poput talibana i vahabi ekipe.

Iste te dve grupe ruse bogomolje, ubijaju djecu, genocidisu razne etnicke i religiske grupe. Ako prebrojimo poginule civile u Iraku i Avganistanu koji su ubijeni od strane gorenavedenih videcemo da su blizu ako ne i sa vecim "skorom" od Amerikanaca.
Ne siluju zene jer se ocigledno gade zena, to je istina.

Svidjalo se to njima ili ne dok im se ne desi renesansa i dok se ne sekularizuju i modernizuju ovek ce biti meta za guzenje, ne zato sto su muslimani nego zato sto su zaostali.

A najvecu gresku koju moze Turska napraviti je da se ujedini sa nepismenim, siromasnim i zaostalim ljudima iz Pakistana i slicno.

A drzavljani Malija vise vole zapad i flertovanje i druzenje medju polovima nego sherijat.

[popokatepetl_com]

Prica lik o Turskoj kao nekom predvodniku necega, istoj onoj Turskoj lokalnom potrcku Ujka Sema.

[Gojeni H]

Nema terorista kod muslimana sta vam je ljudi? Arapi i ti tamo poarapljeni crnci su poznati u svijetu po miru, toleranciji, postovanju prema zenama i drugacijima, demokratiji, prosvijetljenom pogledu na zivot i uopste govoreci vole jednostavno dobar zivot. I pored svega toga jos u svoje zemlje primise 10% siromasnih krstcana koji jos izgradise crkve po jemenu i saudijskoj arabiji kakve su zelijeli i htijeli i idu besplatno u najbolje faxove svijeta... Trebamo se malo ugledati na njih a ne ih bombardovati i optuzivati za terorizam.

Zene su im pravo emanicipovane i skolovane i totalno jednaki sa muskarcima. Nema govora da im zivot diktira 99,9999% jedna knjiga koja propagira da je zivijeti na nacin kao iz 700. godine jedini ispravni.

Pored toga su veliki radnici, visoko napredovali u svim segmentima tehnologije i nauke tako da neznam uopste sta se imaju primitivni, zauteceni i zaustali evropljani tamo mjesati...

kojetou
Prijatelju mladi. Nisi nikada bio ni u Maliju, Mauritaniji, niti juznom Alziru.
Nije to tako kao sto pises. Sahara su nomadi koji su se do prije 20-30 godina ubijali zbog deva i ispase koje nema.
Droga se prebacuje od zapadnog dijela Afrike preko ovog podrucja i dalje prema Evropi.
Dosta se sverca duhan. Ne mogu se ljudi promijeniti preko noci. Ne ide to tako.