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#23926 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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animals wrote:
Bosanski_kralj wrote:Ako misle samo stati na njemu bez dovođenja nekog ekstra pojačanja onda neka se svi kolektivno u vodstvu kluba objese.

I vjerujem čak i da dovedu nekog iz trojca Kutinjo-Bejl-Dembele, pa i svu trojicu, to ne bi bilo dovoljno za osvajanje LP. Jednostavno Kovač nije taj kalibar trenera.

P.S. Gledam ove hrvatske trenere gdje god se pojave insistiraju na dovođenju hrvatskih igrača.
A ti imas komplekse od njih..
Samo sam tvoj komentar čekao.
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#23927 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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#23928 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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stize i Mandzo
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Nepotizam
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#23930 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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bayernov novi stil je i da se lopta nabija u 16-erac pa je potreban mandzukic da ganja loptu glavom.
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VAR usra stvar
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#23932 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Fali Perisic.
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#23933 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Ni repa ni glave.
Lete Niko i Hasan u paketu ako nesto ne promjene do sestog kola.
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#23934 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Dolazi i Kutinjo.

Mandzukic mozda.

Sa time se vec moze raditi. Ali meni i dalje u ovoj ekipi nedostaje jedan klasni veznjak, Thiago, Toliso ili Goretzka tanka vajda.
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#23935 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Bosanski_kralj wrote:
animals wrote:
Bosanski_kralj wrote:Ako misle samo stati na njemu bez dovođenja nekog ekstra pojačanja onda neka se svi kolektivno u vodstvu kluba objese.

I vjerujem čak i da dovedu nekog iz trojca Kutinjo-Bejl-Dembele, pa i svu trojicu, to ne bi bilo dovoljno za osvajanje LP. Jednostavno Kovač nije taj kalibar trenera.

P.S. Gledam ove hrvatske trenere gdje god se pojave insistiraju na dovođenju hrvatskih igrača.
A ti imas komplekse od njih..
Samo sam tvoj komentar čekao.
Problem kod hrvata je taj da na osnovu jednog dobrog rezultata sebe dižu u zvijezde i smatraju najboljim na svijetu, a nisu.
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#23936 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Nisu, drugi su na svijetu :D
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#23937 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Bosanski_kralj wrote:Hajmo da čujem vaše (objektivno) mišljenje o Kutinju? Kakav je kao igrač, koja mu pozicija najviše odgovara i šta mislite kako će se snaći u Bayernu?

Sigurno kvalitetan igrač koji nije mogao preko noći zaboraviti igrati fudbal.

No, pozicija bi mogla biti škakljiva. U suštini nema neke konkretne opcije. Najbolji period u Liverpoolu je imao u posljednjoj polusezoni gdje je dolaskom Salaha sa krila prebačen u vezni red. Kreacija, protok lopte, tražene opcije, sve na mjestu i sve kako treba. Zašto to nije funkcionisalo u Barceloni? Zato što je u Liverpoolu pored sebe uvijek imao dva trkača (Henderson, Wijnaldum, Milner, etc.) koji su trčali i za sebe i za njega. U Barceloni Rakitić a pogotovo Busquets ne trče za sebe a ne za druge. Tako da je njihova prvobitna zamiso gdje bi on bio "novi Iniesta" propala. O tome koliko je to nefunkcionalno svjedoči i reakcija Kloppa o kojoj su prenijeli insajderi sa Anfielda:

El Pais journalist Diego Torres has reported that Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp was 'amazed' and 'broke into hilarity' when he first heard that Barcelona were going to offer €100 million for former midfielder Philippe Coutinho.
Torres, who wrote The Special One: The Dark Side of Jose Mourinho, has been covering PSG forward Neymar extensively this season but he has now shifted his attention towards his international teammate Coutinho and his January move from Liverpool to Barcelona.

Torres suggests that Coutinho was never fit enough to operate under Klopp's pressing system of football and that leading goalscorer Mohamed Salah was brought in to compete with the Brazilian while Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino were deemed 'undroppable'.

Torres wrote:

"When the club raised the possibility of signing Mohammed Salah, the coach told the management that he thought it was fine but that the position should be played with Coutinho. Never with Mané or Firmino, whom he judged unquestionable.

"In Liverpool offices were not surprised to see that the leaders embraced as if they had won a title when on 6 January closed the transfer of Coutinho to Barca for 160 million euros, a record after Neymar and Mbappé. Never the sale of the third most expensive soccer player in history meant less sacrifice and more benefit for a major club.


"Explosive and decisive in short spaces, Coutinho lacked the heart and lungs to perform consistently in the great spaces of the midfield. In the physical tests that simulated situations of the game, after two sprints of 60 meters Coutinho could not recover without remaining half a minute completely stopped. Too much, given the tactical demands. With the emphasis on permanent dynamism, Klopp discarded Coutinho to integrate the midfield in 4-3-3. Even when he placed it as an end, he found that it disengaged in the folds. During several days he tried a 4-2-3-1 to place him behind the point, with a smaller radius of action to avoid suffering. If he played as a second point he could stay off the hook without generating serious imbalances, while the rest of the team was ordered 20 meters back. But the 4-2-3-1, in Klopp's opinion, did not allow the team to occupy the spaces in the most efficient way possible.

"Barça's first offer for Coutinho amounted to 60 million euros, about a year ago. Klopp's reaction was perplexing. He thought that Barcelona had the three attack squares covered with Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

"When they told him that [Josep] Bartomeu would sign [Ousmane] Dembelé to replace Neymar and offer more than 100 million for Coutinho to act as relay for [Andres] Iniesta, his amazement broke into hilarity. According to an employee of the English club, Klopp was blunt: "Coutinho is a fabulous forward but he will never feel comfortable in 4-3-3 as an inside; and much less if he has to play in the post of Iniesta in the 4-4-2 that [Ernesto] Valverde practices in the defensive phase, where the longer runs should be done by the wings. Iniesta is a long distance runner. Coutinho no. "
Ono što kroz ovaj tekst se da izvući jeste da, ukoliko želiš Coutinha na sredini moraš mu dobro pripremiti okoliš. Dva tri žestoka trkača. Dakle, loš i nikakav skauting Barcelone. Kada su vidjeli da je vrag odnio šalu prebacili su ga na krilo ali kao izraziti dešnjak ima naravno prirodnu naviku gravitiranja ka suprotnoj, Mesijevoj strani. A to u Barci ne ide.

U suštini, Coutinho je kvalitetan igrač, dovoljno je pogledati partije u dresu Brazila. Sve je do Kovača, mada ja mislim da će se on fino uklopiti u Bundesligu.
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#23938 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Brate sta imas slusat o njemu, otpaci Reala i Barcelone su im glavna pojacanja. :-)
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#23939 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Better Man wrote:
Problem kod hrvata je taj da na osnovu jednog dobrog rezultata sebe dižu u zvijezde i smatraju najboljim na svijetu, a nisu.
Ma nemam ja problem nikakav, vidio sam da Bayern lose igra..
nisam siguran je li Perisic dobro pojacanje za njih...
ali nikad nisam pisao takvim tonom i mrznjom kao pojedinci ovdje...
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#23940 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Druze ne rise, ove teme su operisane od politickih prepucavanja i bezveze potenciras pricu o nekoj mrznji. :-)

Ovdje pisu navijaci/simpatizeri kluba i svi hocemo dobra pojacanja, hocemo da klub bude kao nekad kad se Realu, Barceloni, Unitedu i Juventusu redovno uzimala mjera. Sta nas ba boli kurac odakle je igrac ako je dobro pojacanje. :-)
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#23941 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Pa oni trebaju potrositi 500 miliona da bi imali dobar tim , koji moze biti konkurentan eliti..
a ko ce to u jednoj sezoni uraditi..Gabri im je trenutno najbolji igrac..
napad , osim Lewandovskog, nemo ko drugi gol dati..
veznjak im dobar treba..a i odbrana puse..
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#23942 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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O tome i pricamo. Nema hljeba od ovog sto oni rade, dovodeci otpatke velikih klubova i "pojacanja" iz klubova sa losijim rejtingom.
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#23943 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Ako bi htjeli zvijezde, a ne “otpatke” iz velikih klubova moraju biti spremni potrositi 150 mil i 20 mil god. plata. Za Bundes nepotrebno a u Lp ne garantuje automatski uspjeh. Coutinho bi mogao opet pronaci formu a pod ovim uslovima nimalo los deal.
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#23944 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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pa sad mozes bas napraviti dobru ekipu uzimajuci "promasene" transfere drugih ekipa.
kakve koristi imas od preskupih transfera ako je opet lutrija hoce li se uklopiti u ekipu kako treba.
coutinho je odlicno pojacanje i sigurno nije zaboravio lopte ako ide na posudbu.
koliko je smijesno postalo ovo bacanje para na igrace, najbolji je primjer jovic - platili ga 60M i nakon 2 mjeseca spominje se njegova posudba.
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#23945 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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AmiĐa_Idriz wrote:
Bosanski_kralj wrote:Hajmo da čujem vaše (objektivno) mišljenje o Kutinju? Kakav je kao igrač, koja mu pozicija najviše odgovara i šta mislite kako će se snaći u Bayernu?

Sigurno kvalitetan igrač koji nije mogao preko noći zaboraviti igrati fudbal.

No, pozicija bi mogla biti škakljiva. U suštini nema neke konkretne opcije. Najbolji period u Liverpoolu je imao u posljednjoj polusezoni gdje je dolaskom Salaha sa krila prebačen u vezni red. Kreacija, protok lopte, tražene opcije, sve na mjestu i sve kako treba. Zašto to nije funkcionisalo u Barceloni? Zato što je u Liverpoolu pored sebe uvijek imao dva trkača (Henderson, Wijnaldum, Milner, etc.) koji su trčali i za sebe i za njega. U Barceloni Rakitić a pogotovo Busquets ne trče za sebe a ne za druge. Tako da je njihova prvobitna zamiso gdje bi on bio "novi Iniesta" propala. O tome koliko je to nefunkcionalno svjedoči i reakcija Kloppa o kojoj su prenijeli insajderi sa Anfielda:

El Pais journalist Diego Torres has reported that Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp was 'amazed' and 'broke into hilarity' when he first heard that Barcelona were going to offer €100 million for former midfielder Philippe Coutinho.
Torres, who wrote The Special One: The Dark Side of Jose Mourinho, has been covering PSG forward Neymar extensively this season but he has now shifted his attention towards his international teammate Coutinho and his January move from Liverpool to Barcelona.

Torres suggests that Coutinho was never fit enough to operate under Klopp's pressing system of football and that leading goalscorer Mohamed Salah was brought in to compete with the Brazilian while Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino were deemed 'undroppable'.

Torres wrote:

"When the club raised the possibility of signing Mohammed Salah, the coach told the management that he thought it was fine but that the position should be played with Coutinho. Never with Mané or Firmino, whom he judged unquestionable.

"In Liverpool offices were not surprised to see that the leaders embraced as if they had won a title when on 6 January closed the transfer of Coutinho to Barca for 160 million euros, a record after Neymar and Mbappé. Never the sale of the third most expensive soccer player in history meant less sacrifice and more benefit for a major club.


"Explosive and decisive in short spaces, Coutinho lacked the heart and lungs to perform consistently in the great spaces of the midfield. In the physical tests that simulated situations of the game, after two sprints of 60 meters Coutinho could not recover without remaining half a minute completely stopped. Too much, given the tactical demands. With the emphasis on permanent dynamism, Klopp discarded Coutinho to integrate the midfield in 4-3-3. Even when he placed it as an end, he found that it disengaged in the folds. During several days he tried a 4-2-3-1 to place him behind the point, with a smaller radius of action to avoid suffering. If he played as a second point he could stay off the hook without generating serious imbalances, while the rest of the team was ordered 20 meters back. But the 4-2-3-1, in Klopp's opinion, did not allow the team to occupy the spaces in the most efficient way possible.

"Barça's first offer for Coutinho amounted to 60 million euros, about a year ago. Klopp's reaction was perplexing. He thought that Barcelona had the three attack squares covered with Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

"When they told him that [Josep] Bartomeu would sign [Ousmane] Dembelé to replace Neymar and offer more than 100 million for Coutinho to act as relay for [Andres] Iniesta, his amazement broke into hilarity. According to an employee of the English club, Klopp was blunt: "Coutinho is a fabulous forward but he will never feel comfortable in 4-3-3 as an inside; and much less if he has to play in the post of Iniesta in the 4-4-2 that [Ernesto] Valverde practices in the defensive phase, where the longer runs should be done by the wings. Iniesta is a long distance runner. Coutinho no. "
Ono što kroz ovaj tekst se da izvući jeste da, ukoliko želiš Coutinha na sredini moraš mu dobro pripremiti okoliš. Dva tri žestoka trkača. Dakle, loš i nikakav skauting Barcelone. Kada su vidjeli da je vrag odnio šalu prebacili su ga na krilo ali kao izraziti dešnjak ima naravno prirodnu naviku gravitiranja ka suprotnoj, Mesijevoj strani. A to u Barci ne ide.

U suštini, Coutinho je kvalitetan igrač, dovoljno je pogledati partije u dresu Brazila. Sve je do Kovača, mada ja mislim da će se on fino uklopiti u Bundesligu.
Ne bih se ja složio da Coutinho nije uspio u Barceloni zato što nije u stanju dovoljno trčati, već što je bio apsolutni luksuz za ekipu. Bez obzira na formaciju i poziciju na terenu, Coutinho je kreativac, igrač koji daje zadnji pas. Suštinski, arhaična desetka sa puno više dinamike u igri koja je karakteristična za malo modernije igrače, ali sa jednako malo mobilnosti. U rukometu bi vjerovatno bio igrač koji igra samo u fazi napada. No, nije to nužno problem, da se posložiti, da nije Messija.

Apsolutno je glupav transfer dovođenje Coutinha u ekipu u kojoj se kompletna igra u ofanzivi okreće oko Messija. Tu su mehanizmi igre s vremenom evoluirali kako je blijedila uloga Xavija i kasnije Inieste i kompletna kreacija igre je svedena na Messija koji je i sam strahovito napredovao kao igrač. Njemu nije potreban elitni playmaker u zadnjoj trećini terena i samo mu smeta, njemu je potreban neko za cirkulaciju posjeda u dubini.

Mislim da je za Bayern Coutinho napredak u odnosu na Jamesa, njima u ovakvom sastavu žestoko fali kreacije i on bi trebao mnogo doprinijeti u tom kontekstu.

Inače, u Kloppov sistem se teško mogu uklopiti bilo kakvi veznjaci profilom drastično drugačiji od onih koje Liverpool ima. Možda bi se uklopio neki Pogba, naravno puno disciplinovaniji Pogba. Ali Kloppu je presing najbolji playmaker, njemu su igrači poput Coutinha svakako luksuz.
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#23946 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Sanches ljut, trazi transfer, napravio scenu nakon utakmice.

Mnogo kurcevit za igraca koji je do sada u karijeri odigrao tri ipo kvalitetne utakmice.
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#23947 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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kad vec trazi transfer a nije na terenu pokazao puno, pusti ga da ide.
ne mozes od toliko nezadovoljnog igraca ocekivati da bude strpljiv i ceka svoju sansu.
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#23948 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Hvala momci na odgovorima. :thumbup:

Bayern je bio fino krenuo u obnovu ekipe, kupilo se Pavarda i Hernandeza i onda dolazi do problema. Mislim da su (ma kako to čudno zvučalo) u Bayernu bili zatečeni stanjem i cijenama na tržištu i tu su se malo pogubili.
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#23949 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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Uvijek su skrti bili, a sad im Borusija pocela uzimati igrace na domacem terenu.

Sklepace oni ekipu, ali previse se tu skrtari, muzli su i cijedili Riberya i Robbena do penzije, srednji red tipicno udarnicki, nigdje plemenitog igraca. Ko ima nekog talenta i nesto, ali dok god njima Muller igra sve i svasta, tanko. Inace mi je zanimljiv, rano eksplodirao, jos ranije zreo za penziju, ko da je godiste lazirao.
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#23950 Re: FC Bayern Munchen

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animals wrote:
Better Man wrote:
Problem kod hrvata je taj da na osnovu jednog dobrog rezultata sebe dižu u zvijezde i smatraju najboljim na svijetu, a nisu.
Ma nemam ja problem nikakav, vidio sam da Bayern lose igra..
nisam siguran je li Perisic dobro pojacanje za njih...
ali nikad nisam pisao takvim tonom i mrznjom kao pojedinci ovdje...
Ovo govorim za njihove medije i novinare, jer oni su ti koji ih uzdižu u nebesa i smatraju najboljim na svijetu i time im samo nanose štetu.
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