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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 13/08/2005 16:02

When meat is not murder

Would you eat steak if it had been grown in a petri dish?

Ian Sample, science correspondent
Saturday August 13, 2005
The Guardian

It is the ultimate conundrum for vegetarians who think that meat is murder: a revolution in processed food that will see fresh meat grown from animal cells without a single cow, sheep or pig being killed.
Researchers have published details in a biotechnology journal describing a new technique which they hailed as the answer to the world's food shortage. Lumps of meat would be cultured in laboratory vats rather than carved from livestock reared on a farm.

Scientists have adapted the cutting-edge medical technique of tissue engineering, where individual cells are multiplied into whole tissues, and applied them to food production. "With a single cell, you could theoretically produce the world's annual meat supply," said Jason Matheny, an agricultural scientist at the University of Maryland.
According to researchers, meat grown in laboratories would be more environmentally friendly and could be tailored to be healthier than farm-reared meat by controlling its nutrient content and screening it for food-borne diseases.

Vegetarians might also be tempted because the cells needed to grow chunks of meat can be taken without harming the donor animal.

Experiments for Nasa, the US space agency, have already shown that morsels of edible fish can be grown in petri dishes, though no one has yet eaten the food.

Mr Matheny and his colleagues have taken the prospect of "cultured meat" a step further by working out how to produce it on an industrial scale. They envisage muscle cells growing on huge sheets that would be regularly stretched to exercise the cells as they grow. Once enough cells had grown, they would be scraped off and shaped into processed meat products such as chicken nuggets.

"If you didn't stretch them, you would be eating mush," said Mr Matheny.

The idea of doing away with traditional livestock and growing steaks from scratch dates back at least 70 years. In a horizon-scanning essay from 1932, Winston Churchill said: "Fifty years hence we shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium."

Several decades too late, Churchill's vision finally looks set to become a reality.

Lab-raised steaks will be off the menu for some time though. Scientists believe that while tissue engineering is advanced enough to grow bland, homogeneous meat, tasty and textured cuts will have to wait.

"Right now, it would be possible to produce something like spam at an incredibly high cost, but the know-how to grow something that has structure, such as a steak, is a long way off," said Mr Matheny.

Kerry Bennett, of the Vegetarian Society, said: "This is certainly an interesting development, and one that is bound to prompt many different responses from individual vegetarians - largely depending on why those individuals have chosen vegetarianism.

"The Vegetarian Society is concerned that while this has the potential to decrease the number of meat-producing animals in factory farms, there are still a number of question marks regarding the origins of the cells and the method of harvesting.

"It won't appeal to someone who gave up meat because they think it's morally wrong to eat flesh or someone who doesn't want to eat anything unnatural," Ms Bennett added.

"Personally I wouldn't want to, but I suppose if they're going to make chicken nuggets with it, then it's probably not going to taste much different."



ukratko -- vjestacko meso


da li bi ga jeli jer niko nije ubijen da bi se dobilo.
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Post by hananah » 13/08/2005 17:41

Ne vjerujem, meso ne jedem ne samo zato sto je neka zivotinja ubijena nego mi meso ne prija stomaku, jednostavnim rijecima receno, boli me stomak od njega i dok ne povratim jednostavno mi je muka :(

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 13/08/2005 17:52

eh to je druga stvar - to sto tvoj organizam nemoze da podnese meso.

dosta vegetarijanaca nejede meso jer je od zivotinja, eto vise nemogu ni tu ispriku koristiti.

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Post by hananah » 13/08/2005 17:54

Pa procitaj moj post, ja i ne jedem meso zato sto ubijaju zivotine i sto je meso dobiveno oduzimanjem necijeg zivota. A dodatno je to sto mi ga organizam odbacuje.

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 13/08/2005 18:03

da ti ga organoizam podnosi bili ga jela dobivenog na ovaj nacin?

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Post by hananah » 13/08/2005 21:21

ne, ali iz razloga sto izbjegavam genetski modificiranu hranu, a ovo umjetno meso mi tukne na to :-?

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 14/08/2005 04:08

pa nije modificirana.

sta oni ovde koriste (po mom misljenju) je isti model koji se vrsi za kloniranje. posto dosadasnji razvoj jos nije toliko uspjesan da napravi citav organ bez ravijanja citavog organizma, naucnici su u stanju da naprave misicne celije koje prestavljaju tzv MESO koje mi jedemo.

nema tu nikakve genetske modifikacije i nije ubistvo jer organizam nikada nije zazivio niti se moze zvati organizam.

generalno pitanje:


DA LI BISTE JELI MESO NAPRAVLJENO NA OVAJ NACIN????

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Post by repeater » 14/08/2005 04:31

od ovoga veću korist imaju oni koji jedu meso nego vegetarijanci. vještačko je meso kud i kamo zdravije od prirodnog, to i u samom članku stoji.
adio kravlje ludilo i ostale mesnate boleštine.
ako mogu klonirati pašče, po' kile faširanog je za njih dječija igra.

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Post by Uh » 14/08/2005 04:59

Dali vegetarijanke "puse" ili ni to ne rade.
Hindu ne jedu nista sto se mice ukljucujuci i ribu.

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Post by hananah » 14/08/2005 09:48

Vegeterijanke - da li imaju oralni sex. Po tome ispade da su one koje "puse" eventualni kanibali, sto znaci da vegeterijanke ne trebaju "pusiti" da ne bi dosle u iskusenje da odgrizu, a meso ne jedu, dok one koje jedu meso mogu odgristi ako im je cejf :(
Malo si konfuzan Uh, i cini mi se da sad kontam tvoj nik :( Hadum :(

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Post by Qler » 14/08/2005 10:36

ja samo znam da mi je zelja vola na reznju okrenuti :D
uff, jednom sam na moru jeo, bila nake fierra :D i okrenuli ljudi vola!
Evo sad mi voda na usta!!

Svaka cast vegetarijancima, ali ja ne jedem povrce, bez zezanja! Ne volim :roll: samo krompir moze :D

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 14/08/2005 15:56

evo i meni a ja jos nisam bio tu.


ako je ovo meso zdravije i ostale spice, da li ovo znaci da vise necemo biti u satnju uraditi ^ navedeno?

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Post by BigusDickus » 14/08/2005 16:18

Ma prvo treba sacekat da se u nekoj dalekoj zemlji zarati i pustiti ih da potpuno upropaste svoju ekonomiju. Kad postanu dovoljno gladni, onda im poslati gomilu konzervi takvog mesa, kao humanitarnu pomoc i vidjeti kako se ponasaju. :D Zvuci poznato? :D

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Post by repeater » 14/08/2005 17:30

pa, danas živiš u stanu a ne u pećini, da li ti smeta?
znaš ko je veći vo' od onoga na ražnju? onaj ko ga okreće.

The_Flyer2002 wrote:evo i meni a ja jos nisam bio tu.


ako je ovo meso zdravije i ostale spice, da li ovo znaci da vise necemo biti u satnju uraditi ^ navedeno?

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 15/08/2005 00:56

repeater wrote:pa, danas živiš u stanu a ne u pećini, da li ti smeta?
znaš ko je veći vo' od onoga na ražnju? onaj ko ga okreće.


bili se neko trebao ovde osjecati uvrijedjenim??? :shock:


qler jel ovo na tebe misli?

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Post by King Kikapu » 15/08/2005 09:34

e sto meni na kurac idu ovi na guzove vegetarijanci, kao samilost prema zivotinjama. alo ba...

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Post by Qler » 15/08/2005 09:49

The_Flyer2002 wrote:
repeater wrote:pa, danas živiš u stanu a ne u pećini, da li ti smeta?
znaš ko je veći vo' od onoga na ražnju? onaj ko ga okreće.


bili se neko trebao ovde osjecati uvrijedjenim??? :shock:


qler jel ovo na tebe misli?


izgleda da se malo zahebao u citatu :D:D:D:D

ja sam mesozder, priroda je covjeka i stvorila takvog! Koliko ja znam, ljudi od pamtivjeka jedu zivotinje! Ubijaju ih da bi se hranili! Jede covjek i "travu" ali opet uvijek je tu bilo vise mesa! I niko me nece ubijediti da ne treba jesti meso!
Znas onu, ako vi vegeterijanci volite zivotinje, sto im pojedoste svu hranu :D

A ono za pecinu i nije neko poredjenje, ljudi danas imaju 1000000 stvari koje tada nisu imali i koje su mnogo gore od toga da li neko jede meso ili ne, pa ih i ti prvi koristis pola!

I sad sam se opet sjetio onog vola i evo gladan sam :D odoh zvati hapu :D

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Post by repeater » 16/08/2005 00:42

Qler wrote:ja sam mesozder, priroda je covjeka i stvorila takvog! Koliko ja znam, ljudi od pamtivjeka jedu zivotinje!


takodjer, ljudi su dugo vremena vjerovali da je zemlja ravna .. i da postoje vještice ... ali, kome ja to govorim ...

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 16/08/2005 03:14

vjestice postoje :roll:


imam dokaz za to ali ga cuvam za pravi momenat. :D

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Post by Drug_Tito » 16/08/2005 04:08

Hoce li i ovo pretvoriti u vjestacko?

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Post by The_Flyer2002 » 16/08/2005 04:33

a nikad


fala ti evo sad ogladnih. :x

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Post by 8. sekretar SKOJ-a » 18/08/2005 09:26

Nema mesa dok ga ćuna ne napravi!

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Post by vodolija_33 » 18/08/2005 09:53

Meso jako rijetko jedem, a i kada jedem onda to bude piletina, puretina i riba.

Meso "uzgojeno" na ovakav način mi još manje izgleda privlačno :-?

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Post by Zadig » 18/08/2005 09:53

Da, jeo bih vjestacko meso dok god fizioloski, hemijski, bioloski bude odgovorao mojim nutricionistickim potrebama, dok god moje tijelo dobije ono sto mu treba.

Sve ove price druge bla bla je samo zato sto smo navikli na jednu vrstu ishrane, i necemo da se prilagodimo novim stvarima koje nam nudi nauka.

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Post by Henry Chinaski » 18/08/2005 10:08

Ni ovo sto je sad po mesnicama nije puno odmaklo od vjestackog.

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