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Bush u Vatikanu razgovarao s papom Benediktom XVI
Američki predsjednik George Bush razgovarao je u subotu s papom Benediktom XVI nakon gotovo jednosatnog razgovora s talijanskim predsjednikom Giorgiom Napolitanom.
Papa Benedikt XVI Busha je dočekao u dvorani Troneto vatikanske palače, nakon čega su se uputili u papinsku biblioteku na privatni razgovor. Bush se rukovao s Benediktom XVI, ali se nije sagnuo na rukoljub.
Prema vatikanskim izvorima Papa je od Busha zatražio veću pažnju za kršćanske vjernike u Iraku, koji su sve izloženiji napadima i u sve većoj izolaciji.
Općenito se razgovaralo o stanju u svijetu, većoj pomoći siromašnim narodima, kao i o zaštiti života od začeća do prirodne smrti.
To je bio prvi susret Busha i Benedikta XVI, a Bush je pozvao Papu u posjetu SAD-u već sljedeće godine, prije američkih izbora u novembru 2008.
Papa je pozdravio odluke sastanka na vrhu G-8 o pružanju pomoći u iznosu od 50 milijardi dolara za Afriku i posebno borbu protiv AIDS-a, a zanimali su ga i razgovori američkog predsjednika s ruskim predsjednikom Vladimirom Putinom.
Bush je u Rim stigao u petak navečer, a u subotu ujutro, prije susreta s Papom, razgovarao je s talijanskim predsjednikom Napolitanom.
Nakon susreta s Papom, prenosi Hina, Bush se treba sastati i s premijerom Romanom Prodijem, nakon čega će održati zajedničku konferenciju za novinare.
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Da, i ovo. Buš nije ni mogao poljubiti papinu ruku, jer je on mormon, pripadnik jedne protestantske crkve, ako sam pogodio.
Susret Buša s papom Benediktom XVI
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luciferino
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#2
Buš nije mormon, on je moron. 
Nije poljubio što nije mogao. Vjerovatno je zaboravio.
Nije poljubio što nije mogao. Vjerovatno je zaboravio.
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cyprus
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#4 Re: Susret Buša s papom Benediktom XVI
Buš mormon. Ne bih reko. A možda i jest, ko zna.seldzuk wrote:Da, i ovo. Buš nije ni mogao poljubiti papinu ruku, jer je on mormon, pripadnik jedne protestantske crkve, ako sam pogodio.
Ja kolko znam mormoni žive u Juti, a Buš je iz Texasa.
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seldzuk
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#5 Šta je St Egidio?
Trebao se sastati s nekomorganizacijom, ali je to odgođeno iz bezbjedonosnih razloga. Profil organizacije s BBC-a
Profile: Community of Sant'Egidio
By Stephanie Holmes
BBC News
The Catholic community of Sant'Egidio, with which US President George W Bush is due to hold talks on Saturday, is known as "the UN of Trastevere".
From its base in a cloistered monastery in the Roman neighbourhood, its missions span HIV/Aids projects in sub-Saharan Africa, peace mediation and campaigning against the death penalty.
The lay community's work has earned it numerous awards and even a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
But its opposition to war and the death penalty and its advocacy of a new approach to tackling the HIV/Aids crisis in Africa means its representatives will have plenty to discuss with Mr Bush.
On one thing, however, both parties agree: neither the Bush administration nor Sant'Egidio think that condoms are the answer to Africa's Aids crisis.
Treatment programme
"The ideological clash of the issue of condoms has made the world blind to the major problem - which is denying therapy and allowing genocide in Africa," Mario Marazziti, the community's spokesman, told the BBC News website.
Fresh from the G8 summit, where the US pledged half of the $60bn (£30bn) promised to tackle Aids, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa, Mr Bush may be looking for new ideas.
The community says it has pioneered one of the few successful responses to the crisis, running projects in ten sub-Saharan countries under a programme known as Dream (Drug Resource Enhancement against Aids and Malnutrition).
It provides sophisticated combinations of anti-retroviral drugs, similar to those available to people living in Western countries, carefully monitors patients and provides sexual behaviour education.
Treating some 40,000 people in ten countries they say 90% of their patients continue to live and 98% of children born to HIV positive mothers do not have the virus.
"It must be prevention and cure," Mr Marazziti says. "Prevention by itself has been a total failure. Loads of agencies distribute condoms but they don't hand out the drugs."
But this approach does not come cheap, with the estimated annual cost for treating an HIV positive patient at around 500 euros (£339; $666).
The community says it has more than 50,000 members in more than 70 countries throughout the world. It is funded privately and through the World Bank and organisations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
The Dream programme was pioneered in Mozambique, where the group helped broker peace in 1992, ending a civil war that had raged since 1977, killing up to a million people.
It brought the parties in conflict to its headquarters in Rome over a period of 27 months to prepare the ground for the agreement.
Sant'Egidio was put forward for a Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts.
Well-rooted
Mediation activities grew, it says out of its presence working with the poor in countries like Mozambique.
"War is the mother of poverty," Mr Marazziti said.
"We found ourselves well-rooted. We developed a talent and capacity for dialogue."
One item that probably will not be on the agenda of Saturday's talks is the death penalty.
Sant'Egidio has spearheaded a campaign for a worldwide moratorium against capital punishment, alongside Amnesty International.
As Texas governor Mr Bush allowed 152 executions to take place.
Mr Marazziti is diplomatic. "It is clear that this is something we have do not have in common with the US, but not only with this administration.
"The death penalty has accompanied all administrations. The moratorium is a kind of bridge offered to the US."
Community of Sant'Egidio
Founded in 1968 in Rome
50,000 lay members worldwide
Mission of prayer, solidarity, dialogue
Runs $25m Aids programme
Brokered 1992 peace accords in Mozambique
Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize in 2004
Profile: Community of Sant'Egidio
By Stephanie Holmes
BBC News
The Catholic community of Sant'Egidio, with which US President George W Bush is due to hold talks on Saturday, is known as "the UN of Trastevere".
From its base in a cloistered monastery in the Roman neighbourhood, its missions span HIV/Aids projects in sub-Saharan Africa, peace mediation and campaigning against the death penalty.
The lay community's work has earned it numerous awards and even a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
But its opposition to war and the death penalty and its advocacy of a new approach to tackling the HIV/Aids crisis in Africa means its representatives will have plenty to discuss with Mr Bush.
On one thing, however, both parties agree: neither the Bush administration nor Sant'Egidio think that condoms are the answer to Africa's Aids crisis.
Treatment programme
"The ideological clash of the issue of condoms has made the world blind to the major problem - which is denying therapy and allowing genocide in Africa," Mario Marazziti, the community's spokesman, told the BBC News website.
Fresh from the G8 summit, where the US pledged half of the $60bn (£30bn) promised to tackle Aids, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa, Mr Bush may be looking for new ideas.
The community says it has pioneered one of the few successful responses to the crisis, running projects in ten sub-Saharan countries under a programme known as Dream (Drug Resource Enhancement against Aids and Malnutrition).
It provides sophisticated combinations of anti-retroviral drugs, similar to those available to people living in Western countries, carefully monitors patients and provides sexual behaviour education.
Treating some 40,000 people in ten countries they say 90% of their patients continue to live and 98% of children born to HIV positive mothers do not have the virus.
"It must be prevention and cure," Mr Marazziti says. "Prevention by itself has been a total failure. Loads of agencies distribute condoms but they don't hand out the drugs."
But this approach does not come cheap, with the estimated annual cost for treating an HIV positive patient at around 500 euros (£339; $666).
The community says it has more than 50,000 members in more than 70 countries throughout the world. It is funded privately and through the World Bank and organisations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
The Dream programme was pioneered in Mozambique, where the group helped broker peace in 1992, ending a civil war that had raged since 1977, killing up to a million people.
It brought the parties in conflict to its headquarters in Rome over a period of 27 months to prepare the ground for the agreement.
Sant'Egidio was put forward for a Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts.
Well-rooted
Mediation activities grew, it says out of its presence working with the poor in countries like Mozambique.
"War is the mother of poverty," Mr Marazziti said.
"We found ourselves well-rooted. We developed a talent and capacity for dialogue."
One item that probably will not be on the agenda of Saturday's talks is the death penalty.
Sant'Egidio has spearheaded a campaign for a worldwide moratorium against capital punishment, alongside Amnesty International.
As Texas governor Mr Bush allowed 152 executions to take place.
Mr Marazziti is diplomatic. "It is clear that this is something we have do not have in common with the US, but not only with this administration.
"The death penalty has accompanied all administrations. The moratorium is a kind of bridge offered to the US."
Community of Sant'Egidio
Founded in 1968 in Rome
50,000 lay members worldwide
Mission of prayer, solidarity, dialogue
Runs $25m Aids programme
Brokered 1992 peace accords in Mozambique
Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize in 2004
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Ivy
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#6 Re: Susret Buša s papom Benediktom XVI
cyprus wrote:Buš mormon. Ne bih reko. A možda i jest, ko zna.seldzuk wrote:Da, i ovo. Buš nije ni mogao poljubiti papinu ruku, jer je on mormon, pripadnik jedne protestantske crkve, ako sam pogodio.
Ja kolko znam mormoni žive u Juti, a Buš je iz Texasa.
Bush nije iz Teksasa, rodjen je u Connecticut-u!
Organizacija San Egidio (koja mi je iza coska doslovno, u cetvrti Trastevere gdje zivim) je navodno usko povezana sa krugom Opus Dei... a o tome bi se moglo nadugacko i nasiroko pricat!!!!
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cyprus
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#10 Re: Susret Buša s papom Benediktom XVI
Ja, dobro izvinjavam se. Sad sam vidio na Wikipediji mjesto rođenja. Ali on ipak živi u Texasu (kad ne živi u Bjeloj Kući)Ivy wrote:cyprus wrote:Buš mormon. Ne bih reko. A možda i jest, ko zna.seldzuk wrote:Da, i ovo. Buš nije ni mogao poljubiti papinu ruku, jer je on mormon, pripadnik jedne protestantske crkve, ako sam pogodio.
Ja kolko znam mormoni žive u Juti, a Buš je iz Texasa.
Bush nije iz Teksasa, rodjen je u Connecticut-u!
Organizacija San Egidio (koja mi je iza coska doslovno, u cetvrti Trastevere gdje zivim) je navodno usko povezana sa krugom Opus Dei... a o tome bi se moglo nadugacko i nasiroko pricat!!!!
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JohnnyS
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Prvo da sredimo s ljubljenjem ruke. Po protokolu oboje su šefovi država te samim time na istoj razini. Ljubljenje ruke je odavanje poslušnosti Papi i to rade samo katolici hodočasnici. Znači da je bio u privatnoj posjeti, a ne kao Predsjednik SAD-a, mogao bi mu i...
Drugo, ja mislim da je Bush WASP, Evangelik, to je ogranak Anglikanske crkve u SAD-u, čitao sam jednom u jutarnjem da iako ih je 2% u ukupnom stanovništvu, na većini su važnih pozicija. To je i Madlaine Albraight (stvarno ne znam kako se pravilno piše, možda čak i ovako) iako je, navodno iz katoličke obitelji
Drugo, ja mislim da je Bush WASP, Evangelik, to je ogranak Anglikanske crkve u SAD-u, čitao sam jednom u jutarnjem da iako ih je 2% u ukupnom stanovništvu, na većini su važnih pozicija. To je i Madlaine Albraight (stvarno ne znam kako se pravilno piše, možda čak i ovako) iako je, navodno iz katoličke obitelji
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JohnnyS
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Ja mislim da on samo u dolar vjeruje, crkva mu je tu više šminkadanas wrote:koliko ja znam, bush-evi su porodicno WASP episkopelijanci, a prezident se pridruzio metodistima svoje hanume kad je ozenio... ukratko, protestantske 'sekte' u nedostatku boljeg izraza...
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seldzuk
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A šta mu dođe to WASP?
I reko sam da nije religijska tema, svi se sad uhvatili toga šta je Buš?
Papa je, i kao čelni čovjek katoličanstva i kao čelni čovjek države Vatikan vrlo utjecajna osoba. Ima mnogo tvrdnji da je u rat U BiH Vatikan imao itekakvog upliva. Šta je tačno, teško je reći, ali je sigurno to da je Katolička crkva veoma utjecajna u svijetu i nekada ima upliva i u stvari koje nam nisu poznate.
I reko sam da nije religijska tema, svi se sad uhvatili toga šta je Buš?
Papa je, i kao čelni čovjek katoličanstva i kao čelni čovjek države Vatikan vrlo utjecajna osoba. Ima mnogo tvrdnji da je u rat U BiH Vatikan imao itekakvog upliva. Šta je tačno, teško je reći, ali je sigurno to da je Katolička crkva veoma utjecajna u svijetu i nekada ima upliva i u stvari koje nam nisu poznate.
