KOSOVO - ZASTAVA

[Mezzo-x]

[Edin H.]

Evo ti sta znaci sest zvjezdica


Could Balkan break-up continue?
By Tim Judah
Balkans analyst



Critics fear that Kosovo's secession could spark further breakaways

An interesting debate is taking place in the cafes of Kosovo. The question concerns the six stars of the country's new flag.

Officially they are supposed to represent six ethnic groups here. But some suspect that they actually represent six areas where ethnic Albanians live and out of which extreme nationalists would like to fashion a Greater Albania.

Those six regions are: Kosovo, Albania, western parts of (FYR) Macedonia, parts of Montenegro, the Presevo Valley in southern Serbia and parts of northern Greece.

The truth is probably that when officials of the European Union saw the original version of the flag - with 12 stars, like the European flag - they demanded a change and so the Kosovans just randomly chopped the number in half.


See a map of Kosovo's ethnic areas
Having said that, the question does arise: is Kosovo's independence the end of the disintegration of the old Yugoslavia or might it continue?

Ethnic mix

Several regions spring to mind. First and foremost are Serb areas of Kosovo, especially the north, which is already de facto part of Serbia and home to more than 40,000 people.

KOSOVO PROFILE
Population about two million
Majority ethnic Albanian; 10% Serb
Under UN control since Nato drove out Serb forces in 1999
2,000-strong EU staff to take over from UN after independence
Nato to stay to provide security


Independence proclaimed
In pictures: Celebrations
East-West split over Kosovo

Some Kosovo Albanians would not actually mind if northern Kosovo was ceded to Serbia, but only so long as Serbia exchanged it for areas of south Serbia, including the Presevo Valley where some 60,000 ethnic Albanians live.

Serbia has always rejected this idea though, partly because its main north-south road and railway link run through there.

A far more significant and adjacent ethnic Albanian-inhabited territory is that of western (FYR) Macedonia, an arc of land which borders Albania, Kosovo and Serbia.

A quarter of (FYR) Macedonia's population of two million are ethnic Albanians and they have close links with Kosovo.

The former Yugoslav republic, which calls itself simply "Macedonia", is engaged in a long-running name dispute with Greece, which has a northern region called "Macedonia".

To Kosovo's north-east is the Sandzak, an area divided between Serbia and Montenegro and which has a significant Slav Muslim population with traditional close ties to neighbouring Bosnia.

In the Serbian part of Sandzak, Muslims are in a slight majority but they are in a minority in the Montenegrin part.

Disintegration halted?




Anger mounts in Serb corner of Kosovo

Bosnia itself is made up of two entities: a Serb one called the Republika Srpska (RS) and a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim)-Croat federation.

Bosnian Serb leaders have often said that they would call for the right to secede if Kosovo became independent.

In Serbia itself the only other significant minority - apart from Roma, who are widely dispersed - are ethnic Hungarians, who live in Vojvodina in the north and sometimes raise the issue of autonomy for their areas.

There are estimated to be some 290,000 of them but as a whole Vojvodina, which has some limited autonomy of its own, is a majority Serb area and so is extremely unlikely, as some have predicted, to ever demand its own independence.

In fact, despite the worst fears of many, it may well be that, at least for the foreseeable future, the disintegration process has stopped.

Serbia itself could well now be heading for a period of isolation as its European integration bid has, for now, stalled.

Thus, the leadership of the RS - who are always keen to use the Kosovo issue in their battles against attempts to make Bosnia more of a centralised state - may well, rhetoric aside, do nothing.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn


They may calculate that the prosperity of their voters - and thus their support - is better served being inside Bosnia than attached to an isolated Serbia, in which they, as leaders, would no longer count for anything.

Likewise in (FYR) Macedonia, ethnic Albanian leaders have committed themselves to the state, believing the interests of their people are better served in moving as quickly as possible towards the EU, and also not to risk new Balkan conflicts simply to be attached to Kosovo.

Besides this, large numbers of ethnic Albanians live in and around the capital Skopje and the very idea of dividing the city inevitably conjures up the appalling memory of the siege of Sarajevo, the Bosnian capital, between 1992 and 1995.

Never say never

Meanwhile in the Presevo Valley, which ethnic Albanians call "Eastern Kosovo", it appears that for now people are resigned to living in Serbia whether they like it or not.

However, many there also believe that if the de facto partition of Kosovo between Serb and Albanian areas, particularly in the north, were ever somehow legalised then it would be inconceivable for them to remain in Serbia.

As for other regions - Sandzak and Hungarian parts of Vojvodina - there is no chance of their status changing unless, of course, all Balkan borders were somehow up to be redrawn, something (almost) no-one wants to do.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn, because Kosovo was technically part of Serbia.

However, Kosovo is being recognised within the borders it had not just as a Serbian province, but also as an entity in its own right within the old Yugoslavia.

Kosovo Albanians argue that they were not a republic with the right to secede, like Croatia or Slovenia, only because when the last Yugoslav constitution was drawn up in 1974 they were the only part of that state which anyone could ever imagine seceding.

And that is a reason why one should never say never in politics. Just because something is now unimaginable and undesirable, does not mean it might not happen.

[Umjetnik a]

Evo ti sta znaci sest zvjezdica


Could Balkan break-up continue?
By Tim Judah
Balkans analyst



Critics fear that Kosovo's secession could spark further breakaways

An interesting debate is taking place in the cafes of Kosovo. The question concerns the six stars of the country's new flag.

Officially they are supposed to represent six ethnic groups here. But some suspect that they actually represent six areas where ethnic Albanians live and out of which extreme nationalists would like to fashion a Greater Albania.

Those six regions are: Kosovo, Albania, western parts of (FYR) Macedonia, parts of Montenegro, the Presevo Valley in southern Serbia and parts of northern Greece.

The truth is probably that when officials of the European Union saw the original version of the flag - with 12 stars, like the European flag - they demanded a change and so the Kosovans just randomly chopped the number in half.


See a map of Kosovo's ethnic areas
Having said that, the question does arise: is Kosovo's independence the end of the disintegration of the old Yugoslavia or might it continue?

Ethnic mix

Several regions spring to mind. First and foremost are Serb areas of Kosovo, especially the north, which is already de facto part of Serbia and home to more than 40,000 people.

KOSOVO PROFILE
Population about two million
Majority ethnic Albanian; 10% Serb
Under UN control since Nato drove out Serb forces in 1999
2,000-strong EU staff to take over from UN after independence
Nato to stay to provide security


Independence proclaimed
In pictures: Celebrations
East-West split over Kosovo

Some Kosovo Albanians would not actually mind if northern Kosovo was ceded to Serbia, but only so long as Serbia exchanged it for areas of south Serbia, including the Presevo Valley where some 60,000 ethnic Albanians live.

Serbia has always rejected this idea though, partly because its main north-south road and railway link run through there.

A far more significant and adjacent ethnic Albanian-inhabited territory is that of western (FYR) Macedonia, an arc of land which borders Albania, Kosovo and Serbia.

A quarter of (FYR) Macedonia's population of two million are ethnic Albanians and they have close links with Kosovo.

The former Yugoslav republic, which calls itself simply "Macedonia", is engaged in a long-running name dispute with Greece, which has a northern region called "Macedonia".

To Kosovo's north-east is the Sandzak, an area divided between Serbia and Montenegro and which has a significant Slav Muslim population with traditional close ties to neighbouring Bosnia.

In the Serbian part of Sandzak, Muslims are in a slight majority but they are in a minority in the Montenegrin part.

Disintegration halted?




Anger mounts in Serb corner of Kosovo

Bosnia itself is made up of two entities: a Serb one called the Republika Srpska (RS) and a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim)-Croat federation.

Bosnian Serb leaders have often said that they would call for the right to secede if Kosovo became independent.

In Serbia itself the only other significant minority - apart from Roma, who are widely dispersed - are ethnic Hungarians, who live in Vojvodina in the north and sometimes raise the issue of autonomy for their areas.

There are estimated to be some 290,000 of them but as a whole Vojvodina, which has some limited autonomy of its own, is a majority Serb area and so is extremely unlikely, as some have predicted, to ever demand its own independence.

In fact, despite the worst fears of many, it may well be that, at least for the foreseeable future, the disintegration process has stopped.

Serbia itself could well now be heading for a period of isolation as its European integration bid has, for now, stalled.

Thus, the leadership of the RS - who are always keen to use the Kosovo issue in their battles against attempts to make Bosnia more of a centralised state - may well, rhetoric aside, do nothing.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn


They may calculate that the prosperity of their voters - and thus their support - is better served being inside Bosnia than attached to an isolated Serbia, in which they, as leaders, would no longer count for anything.

Likewise in (FYR) Macedonia, ethnic Albanian leaders have committed themselves to the state, believing the interests of their people are better served in moving as quickly as possible towards the EU, and also not to risk new Balkan conflicts simply to be attached to Kosovo.

Besides this, large numbers of ethnic Albanians live in and around the capital Skopje and the very idea of dividing the city inevitably conjures up the appalling memory of the siege of Sarajevo, the Bosnian capital, between 1992 and 1995.

Never say never

Meanwhile in the Presevo Valley, which ethnic Albanians call "Eastern Kosovo", it appears that for now people are resigned to living in Serbia whether they like it or not.

However, many there also believe that if the de facto partition of Kosovo between Serb and Albanian areas, particularly in the north, were ever somehow legalised then it would be inconceivable for them to remain in Serbia.

As for other regions - Sandzak and Hungarian parts of Vojvodina - there is no chance of their status changing unless, of course, all Balkan borders were somehow up to be redrawn, something (almost) no-one wants to do.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn, because Kosovo was technically part of Serbia.

However, Kosovo is being recognised within the borders it had not just as a Serbian province, but also as an entity in its own right within the old Yugoslavia.

Kosovo Albanians argue that they were not a republic with the right to secede, like Croatia or Slovenia, only because when the last Yugoslav constitution was drawn up in 1974 they were the only part of that state which anyone could ever imagine seceding.

And that is a reason why one should never say never in politics. Just because something is now unimaginable and undesirable, does not mean it might not happen.

haj prevedi

[Mezzo-x]

translate please

[sarajlija86]

Njihova zastava je tragicna kopija bosanske

[oldschool]

U zastavi se krije plan Velike Albanije

[Glasovito]

ma jok

kad sandzak dobije takvu zastavu, onda cemo spojiti tu zuto-plavu transverzalu...

[Edin H.]

Evo ti sta znaci sest zvjezdica


Could Balkan break-up continue?
By Tim Judah
Balkans analyst



Critics fear that Kosovo's secession could spark further breakaways

An interesting debate is taking place in the cafes of Kosovo. The question concerns the six stars of the country's new flag.

Officially they are supposed to represent six ethnic groups here. But some suspect that they actually represent six areas where ethnic Albanians live and out of which extreme nationalists would like to fashion a Greater Albania.

Those six regions are: Kosovo, Albania, western parts of (FYR) Macedonia, parts of Montenegro, the Presevo Valley in southern Serbia and parts of northern Greece.

The truth is probably that when officials of the European Union saw the original version of the flag - with 12 stars, like the European flag - they demanded a change and so the Kosovans just randomly chopped the number in half.


See a map of Kosovo's ethnic areas
Having said that, the question does arise: is Kosovo's independence the end of the disintegration of the old Yugoslavia or might it continue?

Ethnic mix

Several regions spring to mind. First and foremost are Serb areas of Kosovo, especially the north, which is already de facto part of Serbia and home to more than 40,000 people.

KOSOVO PROFILE
Population about two million
Majority ethnic Albanian; 10% Serb
Under UN control since Nato drove out Serb forces in 1999
2,000-strong EU staff to take over from UN after independence
Nato to stay to provide security


Independence proclaimed
In pictures: Celebrations
East-West split over Kosovo

Some Kosovo Albanians would not actually mind if northern Kosovo was ceded to Serbia, but only so long as Serbia exchanged it for areas of south Serbia, including the Presevo Valley where some 60,000 ethnic Albanians live.

Serbia has always rejected this idea though, partly because its main north-south road and railway link run through there.

A far more significant and adjacent ethnic Albanian-inhabited territory is that of western (FYR) Macedonia, an arc of land which borders Albania, Kosovo and Serbia.

A quarter of (FYR) Macedonia's population of two million are ethnic Albanians and they have close links with Kosovo.

The former Yugoslav republic, which calls itself simply "Macedonia", is engaged in a long-running name dispute with Greece, which has a northern region called "Macedonia".

To Kosovo's north-east is the Sandzak, an area divided between Serbia and Montenegro and which has a significant Slav Muslim population with traditional close ties to neighbouring Bosnia.

In the Serbian part of Sandzak, Muslims are in a slight majority but they are in a minority in the Montenegrin part.

Disintegration halted?




Anger mounts in Serb corner of Kosovo

Bosnia itself is made up of two entities: a Serb one called the Republika Srpska (RS) and a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim)-Croat federation.

Bosnian Serb leaders have often said that they would call for the right to secede if Kosovo became independent.

In Serbia itself the only other significant minority - apart from Roma, who are widely dispersed - are ethnic Hungarians, who live in Vojvodina in the north and sometimes raise the issue of autonomy for their areas.

There are estimated to be some 290,000 of them but as a whole Vojvodina, which has some limited autonomy of its own, is a majority Serb area and so is extremely unlikely, as some have predicted, to ever demand its own independence.

In fact, despite the worst fears of many, it may well be that, at least for the foreseeable future, the disintegration process has stopped.

Serbia itself could well now be heading for a period of isolation as its European integration bid has, for now, stalled.

Thus, the leadership of the RS - who are always keen to use the Kosovo issue in their battles against attempts to make Bosnia more of a centralised state - may well, rhetoric aside, do nothing.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn


They may calculate that the prosperity of their voters - and thus their support - is better served being inside Bosnia than attached to an isolated Serbia, in which they, as leaders, would no longer count for anything.

Likewise in (FYR) Macedonia, ethnic Albanian leaders have committed themselves to the state, believing the interests of their people are better served in moving as quickly as possible towards the EU, and also not to risk new Balkan conflicts simply to be attached to Kosovo.

Besides this, large numbers of ethnic Albanians live in and around the capital Skopje and the very idea of dividing the city inevitably conjures up the appalling memory of the siege of Sarajevo, the Bosnian capital, between 1992 and 1995.

Never say never

Meanwhile in the Presevo Valley, which ethnic Albanians call "Eastern Kosovo", it appears that for now people are resigned to living in Serbia whether they like it or not.

However, many there also believe that if the de facto partition of Kosovo between Serb and Albanian areas, particularly in the north, were ever somehow legalised then it would be inconceivable for them to remain in Serbia.

As for other regions - Sandzak and Hungarian parts of Vojvodina - there is no chance of their status changing unless, of course, all Balkan borders were somehow up to be redrawn, something (almost) no-one wants to do.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn, because Kosovo was technically part of Serbia.

However, Kosovo is being recognised within the borders it had not just as a Serbian province, but also as an entity in its own right within the old Yugoslavia.

Kosovo Albanians argue that they were not a republic with the right to secede, like Croatia or Slovenia, only because when the last Yugoslav constitution was drawn up in 1974 they were the only part of that state which anyone could ever imagine seceding.

And that is a reason why one should never say never in politics. Just because something is now unimaginable and undesirable, does not mean it might not happen.

Po naredjenju Umjetnika i marmelana



Kriticari se plase da odvajanje Kosova moze biti fitilj za buduce raspade.

Zanimljiva debata se vodi po kosovskim kaficima. Pitanje se tice sest zvjezdica na kosovskoj novoj zastavi.

Zvanicno zvjezdice bi trebalo da predstavljaju sest etnickih grupa koje ovdje zive. Ali, pojedinci sumnjaju da zvjezdice predstavljaju sest oblasti u kojima etnicki Albanci zive i od kojih bi oni najekstreminiji voljeli vidjeti Veliku Albaniju.

Ti regioni su sljedeci: Albanija, Zapadni dijelovi Federalne Jugoslovenske Republike Makedonije , dijelovi Crne Gore, Presevska dolina u juznoj Srbiji i dijelovi sjeverne Grcke.

Istina je vjerovatno, da kada su zvanicnici Evropske Unije vidjeli originalnu verziju zastave - sa 12 zvjezdica, poput zastave Europske Unije - trzili su promjenu te su Kosovari nasumice samo prepolovili broj.

Pogledajte mapu kosovskih etnickih oblasti.

Rekavsi to postavlja se pitanje: da li kosovska nezavisnost predstavlja zavrsetak procesa dezintegracije bivse Jugoslavije ili ce se dezintegracija nastaviti?

Etnicka mjesavina .............

pa da malo preskocimo - neka neko prevede ako smatra za shodno

..................


Bosna se sastoji od dva entiteta: Srpski koji se zove Republika Srpska i Bosnjacki (Bosansko Muslimansko) - Hrvatska Federacija.

Vodje Bosanskih Srba su cesto izjavljivali da ce pozvati na pravo za otcjepljenje ukolilp Kosovo postane nezavisno.

U samoj Srbiji jos jedna zancajna etnicka manjinska grupa - osim Roma koji su siroko raseljeni - su etnicki Madjari koji zive u na sjeveru Vojvodine i kadkada postavljaju pitanje autonomije njihove oblasti. Procjenjuje se da tamo zivi oko 290000 etnickih Madjara, ali cijela Vojvodina, koja ima ogranicenu autonomiju je vecinski srpska oblast, te je stoga izuzetno malo vjerovatno, kao sto su neki predvidjeli da traze nezavisnost.

U sustini nauprot strahovanju mnogih moze zaista bit, da za barem blisku buducnost da se proces dezintegracije zaustavio.

Serbi bi doista sada mola ici u pravcu ka periodu izolacije s obzirom da je proces njene europske integracije, barem za sada zaustavljen.

Stoga vodstvo RS-a, koje uvijek tezi da koristi slucaj Kosova u njihovoj borbi protiv namjera da Bosna postane centralizovana drzava moze doista, retoriku na stranu odluciti da nista ne uradi.

Mnogi Srbi vjeruju da nezavisnost Kosova znaci da su balkanske granice sada konacno izcrtane.

Oni mogu smatrati da za dobrobit njihovih glasaca - te stoga i njihova podrske - je bolje da ostanu u okvirima Bosne neko kao pridruzeni dio izolovane Srbije, u kojima oni vise kao vodje nece imati nikakvu vlast.

Slicno u Makedoniji, vodje etnickih Albanaca su sebe obavezali postojecoj drzavi, vjerujuci da ce za interes njihovog naroda biti lakse postignut u priblizavanju, sto je prije moguce Evropskoj Uniji bez rizika novog balkanskog konflikta koji bi jednostavno bio vezan za Kosovo.


............itd....... (jos jednom izvinjenje marmelanu i Umjetniku)

[MuaDib]

ah, sto mi je ova kosovska zastava nesto poznata...........losa kopija od nase !!!???

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

I njihova je zastava dokaz da su i oni kao i mi eksperment međunarodne zajednice! Nažalost.......

[elSaik]

Ma 52. savezna država.

[Prpa.ba]

I njihova je zastava dokaz da su i oni kao i mi eksperment međunarodne zajednice! Nažalost.......

Jos samo da Slovenija, Hrvatska i Srbija ukinu slavenske boje na zastavama.... sve zastave plave/zute/bijele.... ko da smo pacificka ostrva

[krivorijek]

Ma zastava ima ovakvu poruku: sve i kad na nebu ostane, tamo negdje pred smak svijeta, jos samo 6 zvijezda, Kosovo ce jos uvijek BITI

[krivorijek]

Evo sasvim slucajno naletih na nekakve zanimljivosti, recimo: zasto se Kosovo ne bi preimenovalo u Dardania? Bas nekako lijepo zvuci, puna usta kad izgovoris, a zvuci isto tako i kao neka izmisljena zemlja ( ) iz nekakvog ala Gospodar Prstenova romana. Time bi se rijesili one, po njihovu dusicu, bolne pticije relacije iz slavenskih jezika.

Wiki: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

Dardania ist unter Albanern eine verbreitete Bezeichnung für den Kosovo. Es ist auch ein Vorort von Priština.[5] Er leitet sich ab von Dardanos, einem mythischen Sohn des Zeus und dem antiken illyrischen Volk der Dardaner, die im Gebiet des heutigen Kosovo lebten.

Ne propustite na ovoj stranici kliknuti na link Српски / Srpski. Negdje zapelo kod update-a.

[kelly lake]

Ma zastava ima ovakvu poruku: sve i kad na nebu ostane, tamo negdje pred smak svijeta, jos samo 6 zvijezda, Kosovo ce jos uvijek BITI

a zastava mi je prejednostavna i poglupa,da date liku koji pojma nema o kosovu,o istoriji mu i tradiciji,narodima i obicajima,taj lik bi nacrtao nesto ovakvo!! slicno kao sto je slucaj kod nas!!

[signature]

Njihova zastava je tragicna kopija bosanske

zaboravio si da nije kompromisna,prema tome ima neku vrijednost.

a i nevide se entitetske granice.

[suncokret13]

ma jok

kad sandzak dobije takvu zastavu, onda cemo spojiti tu zuto-plavu transverzalu...

i kombinacija plave i zute boje daje koju boju .........?

[kelly lake]

i kombinacija plave i zute boje daje koju boju .........?

a zeljenu

[Prozor]

meni je skroz ok, ljepsa od nase, dosta trobojki

[brdo]

kad pogledas jedva i sa lupom se vidi u odnosu na evropu, a zastava sigurno bio nas ucitelj iz BIH

[Edin H.]

Evo ti sta znaci sest zvjezdica


Could Balkan break-up continue?
By Tim Judah
Balkans analyst



Critics fear that Kosovo's secession could spark further breakaways

An interesting debate is taking place in the cafes of Kosovo. The question concerns the six stars of the country's new flag.

Officially they are supposed to represent six ethnic groups here. But some suspect that they actually represent six areas where ethnic Albanians live and out of which extreme nationalists would like to fashion a Greater Albania.

Those six regions are: Kosovo, Albania, western parts of (FYR) Macedonia, parts of Montenegro, the Presevo Valley in southern Serbia and parts of northern Greece.

The truth is probably that when officials of the European Union saw the original version of the flag - with 12 stars, like the European flag - they demanded a change and so the Kosovans just randomly chopped the number in half.


See a map of Kosovo's ethnic areas
Having said that, the question does arise: is Kosovo's independence the end of the disintegration of the old Yugoslavia or might it continue?

Ethnic mix

Several regions spring to mind. First and foremost are Serb areas of Kosovo, especially the north, which is already de facto part of Serbia and home to more than 40,000 people.

KOSOVO PROFILE
Population about two million
Majority ethnic Albanian; 10% Serb
Under UN control since Nato drove out Serb forces in 1999
2,000-strong EU staff to take over from UN after independence
Nato to stay to provide security


Independence proclaimed
In pictures: Celebrations
East-West split over Kosovo

Some Kosovo Albanians would not actually mind if northern Kosovo was ceded to Serbia, but only so long as Serbia exchanged it for areas of south Serbia, including the Presevo Valley where some 60,000 ethnic Albanians live.

Serbia has always rejected this idea though, partly because its main north-south road and railway link run through there.

A far more significant and adjacent ethnic Albanian-inhabited territory is that of western (FYR) Macedonia, an arc of land which borders Albania, Kosovo and Serbia.

A quarter of (FYR) Macedonia's population of two million are ethnic Albanians and they have close links with Kosovo.

The former Yugoslav republic, which calls itself simply "Macedonia", is engaged in a long-running name dispute with Greece, which has a northern region called "Macedonia".

To Kosovo's north-east is the Sandzak, an area divided between Serbia and Montenegro and which has a significant Slav Muslim population with traditional close ties to neighbouring Bosnia.

In the Serbian part of Sandzak, Muslims are in a slight majority but they are in a minority in the Montenegrin part.

Disintegration halted?




Anger mounts in Serb corner of Kosovo

Bosnia itself is made up of two entities: a Serb one called the Republika Srpska (RS) and a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim)-Croat federation.

Bosnian Serb leaders have often said that they would call for the right to secede if Kosovo became independent.

In Serbia itself the only other significant minority - apart from Roma, who are widely dispersed - are ethnic Hungarians, who live in Vojvodina in the north and sometimes raise the issue of autonomy for their areas.

There are estimated to be some 290,000 of them but as a whole Vojvodina, which has some limited autonomy of its own, is a majority Serb area and so is extremely unlikely, as some have predicted, to ever demand its own independence.

In fact, despite the worst fears of many, it may well be that, at least for the foreseeable future, the disintegration process has stopped.

Serbia itself could well now be heading for a period of isolation as its European integration bid has, for now, stalled.

Thus, the leadership of the RS - who are always keen to use the Kosovo issue in their battles against attempts to make Bosnia more of a centralised state - may well, rhetoric aside, do nothing.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn


They may calculate that the prosperity of their voters - and thus their support - is better served being inside Bosnia than attached to an isolated Serbia, in which they, as leaders, would no longer count for anything.

Likewise in (FYR) Macedonia, ethnic Albanian leaders have committed themselves to the state, believing the interests of their people are better served in moving as quickly as possible towards the EU, and also not to risk new Balkan conflicts simply to be attached to Kosovo.

Besides this, large numbers of ethnic Albanians live in and around the capital Skopje and the very idea of dividing the city inevitably conjures up the appalling memory of the siege of Sarajevo, the Bosnian capital, between 1992 and 1995.

Never say never

Meanwhile in the Presevo Valley, which ethnic Albanians call "Eastern Kosovo", it appears that for now people are resigned to living in Serbia whether they like it or not.

However, many there also believe that if the de facto partition of Kosovo between Serb and Albanian areas, particularly in the north, were ever somehow legalised then it would be inconceivable for them to remain in Serbia.

As for other regions - Sandzak and Hungarian parts of Vojvodina - there is no chance of their status changing unless, of course, all Balkan borders were somehow up to be redrawn, something (almost) no-one wants to do.

Many Serbs believe that Kosovo's independence means Balkan borders have already been redrawn, because Kosovo was technically part of Serbia.

However, Kosovo is being recognised within the borders it had not just as a Serbian province, but also as an entity in its own right within the old Yugoslavia.

Kosovo Albanians argue that they were not a republic with the right to secede, like Croatia or Slovenia, only because when the last Yugoslav constitution was drawn up in 1974 they were the only part of that state which anyone could ever imagine seceding.

And that is a reason why one should never say never in politics. Just because something is now unimaginable and undesirable, does not mean it might not happen.

Po naredjenju Umjetnika i marmelana



Kriticari se plase da odvajanje Kosova moze biti fitilj za buduce raspade.

Zanimljiva debata se vodi po kosovskim kaficima. Pitanje se tice sest zvjezdica na kosovskoj novoj zastavi.

Zvanicno zvjezdice bi trebalo da predstavljaju sest etnickih grupa koje ovdje zive. Ali, pojedinci sumnjaju da zvjezdice predstavljaju sest oblasti u kojima etnicki Albanci zive i od kojih bi oni najekstreminiji voljeli vidjeti Veliku Albaniju.

Ti regioni su sljedeci: Albanija, Zapadni dijelovi Federalne Jugoslovenske Republike Makedonije , dijelovi Crne Gore, Presevska dolina u juznoj Srbiji i dijelovi sjeverne Grcke.

Istina je vjerovatno, da kada su zvanicnici Evropske Unije vidjeli originalnu verziju zastave - sa 12 zvjezdica, poput zastave Europske Unije - trzili su promjenu te su Kosovari nasumice samo prepolovili broj.

Pogledajte mapu kosovskih etnickih oblasti.

Rekavsi to postavlja se pitanje: da li kosovska nezavisnost predstavlja zavrsetak procesa dezintegracije bivse Jugoslavije ili ce se dezintegracija nastaviti?

Etnicka mjesavina .............

pa da malo preskocimo - neka neko prevede ako smatra za shodno

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Bosna se sastoji od dva entiteta: Srpski koji se zove Republika Srpska i Bosnjacki (Bosansko Muslimansko) - Hrvatska Federacija.

Vodje Bosanskih Srba su cesto izjavljivali da ce pozvati na pravo za otcjepljenje ukolilp Kosovo postane nezavisno.

U samoj Srbiji jos jedna zancajna etnicka manjinska grupa - osim Roma koji su siroko raseljeni - su etnicki Madjari koji zive u na sjeveru Vojvodine i kadkada postavljaju pitanje autonomije njihove oblasti. Procjenjuje se da tamo zivi oko 290000 etnickih Madjara, ali cijela Vojvodina, koja ima ogranicenu autonomiju je vecinski srpska oblast, te je stoga izuzetno malo vjerovatno, kao sto su neki predvidjeli da traze nezavisnost.

U sustini nauprot strahovanju mnogih moze zaista bit, da za barem blisku buducnost da se proces dezintegracije zaustavio.

Serbi bi doista sada mola ici u pravcu ka periodu izolacije s obzirom da je proces njene europske integracije, barem za sada zaustavljen.

Stoga vodstvo RS-a, koje uvijek tezi da koristi slucaj Kosova u njihovoj borbi protiv namjera da Bosna postane centralizovana drzava moze doista, retoriku na stranu odluciti da nista ne uradi.

Mnogi Srbi vjeruju da nezavisnost Kosova znaci da su balkanske granice sada konacno izcrtane.

Oni mogu smatrati da za dobrobit njihovih glasaca - te stoga i njihova podrske - je bolje da ostanu u okvirima Bosne neko kao pridruzeni dio izolovane Srbije, u kojima oni vise kao vodje nece imati nikakvu vlast.

Slicno u Makedoniji, vodje etnickih Albanaca su sebe obavezali postojecoj drzavi, vjerujuci da ce za interes njihovog naroda biti lakse postignut u priblizavanju, sto je prije moguce Evropskoj Uniji bez rizika novog balkanskog konflikta koji bi jednostavno bio vezan za Kosovo.


............itd....... (jos jednom izvinjenje marmelanu i Umjetniku)

Pa imate ovdje moguce pojasnjenje

[cyprus]

Ovo je moj prijedlog bio, šteta što ga ne uvažiše . Možda bi se Srbi lakše pomirili sa nezavisnoću da se belo-plavo-crveno našlo na Kosovskoj zastavi.

[hik--meta]

Ovo je moj prijedlog bio, šteta što ga ne uvažiše . Možda bi se Srbi lakše pomirili sa nezavisnoću da se belo-plavo-crveno našlo na Kosovskoj zastavi.

sta je ovo? brko srbin sa sajkacom na kojoj su tri zvjezdice? a linije kao kosti na kokardi...

[Edin H.]

Ovo je moj prijedlog bio, šteta što ga ne uvažiše . Možda bi se Srbi lakše pomirili sa nezavisnoću da se belo-plavo-crveno našlo na Kosovskoj zastavi.

Boje i dizajn su sjajni, ali tekst bi trebao glasiti

Kosova republjik

[mustang_gt_1987]

kad bude BiH igrala protiv Kosova i oni ce pjevati sa nama u horu:

"plavo žuti... žuto plavi..."

[Edin H.]

kad bude BiH igrala protiv Kosova i oni ce pjevati sa nama u horu:

"plavo žuti... žuto plavi..."

Mali problem, oni ce pjevati na albanskom.

Ko zna da li ce se uklopiti