Hakiz wrote:
U Evropi u srednjem vjeku su djeca obećavana jedno drugome rano, već oko 7. godine života. Ali, praktičan brak se sklapao između 14. i 16. godine. I to je vrijedilo samo u aristokratskim porodicama.
U porodicama radnika, seljaka itd brakovi su se sklapali oko 20. godine, čak do 25.
Kod aristokratije je bilo uobičajeno da se djeca obećavaju jer su ti brakovi bili uglavnom politički. Pa su sin vladara jednog kraljevstva ili vojvodstva i kćer vladara drugog bili obećavani jedno srugome zbog vojnog saveza, ekonomskog saveza itd. Rano su se i praktično vjenčavali jer je smrtnost djece bila velika i trebalo je obezbjediti što ranije potomke koji će naslijediti titulu. To je naročito važno bilo kod kraljeva i kraljica, jer, prvi zadatak svakog kralja i kraljice je bio obezbijediti nasljednika kruni. To je bilo važnije od same države, novca, ratova, bilo čega. Ali ne baš tako rano, nisu se vjenčavala djeca, vjnčavale su se osobe najčešće između 14. i 16. godine. Koliko god da je to rano, to ipak nisu djeca u biološkom smislu. Čak ni danas, kada je životni vijek mnogo duži, pogledajte krivični zakon FBiH, osoba koja je navršila 14 više nije dijete. Odnedavno je u Francuskoj granica na 15 godina. U velikom broju evropskih zemalja granica je na 16 godina. Ne govorim o punoljetstvu nego o dobu kada se osoba više ne smatra djetetom.
Kod radnika i seljaka koji u srednjem vijeku nisu bili vlasnici zamlje i nisu imali titule, potomci nijsu imali šta da naslijede. Tako da je njima potomstvo bilo manje važno, ali nije bilo skroz nevažno. Što više djece, to više radnika na farmi itd. Sa druge strane, mladić je morao doći do nekakvog, kooliko god ograničenog imetka ili barem potvrde vrijednosti kao radnika da bi mogao uzdržavati ženu i djecu, a djevojka je morala steći i snagu da radi i steći miraz. Kako je zbog siromaštva i mladiću i djevojci trebalo puno vremena da do toga dođu, to se u brakove van aristokratije nije ulazilo tako rano. Ulazilo se u vrijeme koje se i danas smatra najboljim reproduktivnim vremenom, a to je između 20. i 25. Kasnije se nije ulazilo u brakove osim ako se ne vjenčavaju udovac ili udovica, a mlađi od 18-20 se nisu vjenčavali toliko često.
Srednji vijek u Evropi nije bio baš toliko perverzan i pedofilski, čak ni po današnjim standardima, kako bi se to možda moglo zaključiti iz popularne kulture koja ima svoje razloga za davanje sumnjivih podataka.
nije bas to tacno tako, evo vidi
What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that klix were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see klix being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty.
1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between
the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1]
2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s klix married very young,
“In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia.
At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2]
3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’,
“Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576,
ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3]
4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,
“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4]
5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd,
“By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20.
But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A.
And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain
the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5]
6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,
“In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6]
7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,
“…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years.
In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7]
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References:
[1] A Medieval Miscellany By Margaret Wade Labarge page 52
[2]Internet Child Pornography: Causes, Investigation, and Prevention By Richard Wortley, Stephen Smallbon page 10
[3] Sex and Society, Volume 1 page 54
[4] A Guide to America’s Sex Laws by Richard A. Posner & Katharine B. Silbaugh page 44
[5] Sir John Comyns, Stewart Kyd A Digest of the Laws of England, Volume 2, page 73
[6] Opposing Hate Speech By Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese page 85
[7] Parental Kidnapping in America: An Historical and Cultural Analysis By Maureen Dabbagh Page 128
kao sto vidis normalna pojava u svijetu bila u tim vremenima, sad to nije normalno
Što opet ne opravdava neke druge stvari kada su žene u Islamu u pitanju, ali da je donio napredak, poboljšanje ženama, jeste, neosporno.
U suštini dakle, nema neka tačno određena dob ili trenutak.
