Bošnjaci ipak NISU Iliri - najnovija istraživanja!!!

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Post by S.SC » 04/01/2012 12:34

NOVA SAZNANJA O FAMOZNOJ HAPLOGRUPI I2a1b1
Na Balkansko poluostrvo došla sa Karpata preko Istočne Europe u VI stoljeću, kao posljedica Slavenskih migracija. Ovaj gen uopšte nije star 10 000 godina kako se u početku smatralo, već je nastao prije 2500 godina u Istočnoj Europi.
Neutemeljene priče o tzv. "Ilirskom genu" Bošnjaka (Hrvata i Srba) ovim najnovijim rezultatima genetičara padaju definitivno u vodu!!!

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"Former I2a2a in the Y2010 tree. I2a1b1 (L69.2(=T)/S163.2) is typical of the South Slavic populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Bosnia-Herzegovina (>50%).Haplogroup I2a1b1 is also commonly found in north-eastern Italians.There is also a high concentration of I2a2a in north-east Romania, Moldova and western Ukraine. In 2010 has Ken Nordtvedt argued that I2a1b1 is too young not to have been a result of a sudden expansion. According to him I2a1b1 arose not earlier than 2500 years ago in Eastern Europe. He has presumed this to be a consequence from the Slavic invasion of the Balkans, from the area north-east of the Carpathians since 500 CE. In 2011 Nordtvedt has confirmed I2a1b1 is not older than 2,800 years. In his last comments about Haplogroup I tree and the conjectured spread map, he locates the start of the I2a1b1 lineage around the middle course of the Vistula."

Zanimljivo, genetska istraživanja, također, geografski se poklapaju sa historijskim razmještajem Slavenskih naroda prije:

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Post by S.SC » 04/01/2012 12:40

Ovdje vidimo da je navedena haplogrupa i njene varijacije karakterističan "genetski kod" kod SVIH Slavenskih naroda. R1a haplogrupa, koja se do sada smatrala karakterističnom za Slavene, karakteristična je zapravo samo za Ruse.

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No, i o prisutnosti R1a (tzv. "slavenske") haplogrupe među našim stanovništvom poprilično se krilo. Javnosti su objavljivani tek prvobitni, eksperimentalni rezultati genetskih istraživanja, a naknadne potvrde, nikad nisu predočene javnosti. Haplogrupa R1a, najprisutnija je u Bosni i Hercegovini od svih južnoslavenskih zemalja:

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Sa više od 30% (prema najnovijim istraživanjima iz 2011. godine):

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Post by alcho » 04/01/2012 13:27

Pa dobro za koga sad treba da glasam? :lol:

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Post by Black swan » 04/01/2012 13:51

za Batona :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by slobodni armirach » 04/01/2012 16:18

nista ja ovo nekontam,

super su ova istrazivanja koja nemaju izvora a crtaca karata ko pasjih prekakala :D

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Post by crven_barjak » 04/01/2012 22:35

A budalastine Boze dragi :lol: :lol:

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Post by Frooteky » 04/01/2012 22:40

Čuj nismo Iliri :mrgreen:

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Post by Ma.Le.Na » 04/01/2012 22:41

ja sam...SIRIUSLI...od sad pa na dalje i ubuduce JETI :skoljka: :D

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Post by bruce lee » 04/01/2012 22:45

here we go again :D

alcho wrote:Pa dobro za koga sad treba da glasam? :lol:


:lol: :thumbup:

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Post by BASS » 04/01/2012 22:47

Ja kao potomak rimskog legionara koji je imao vilu na Ilidži i koji je umro braneći civilizaciju od barbarskih napada slavenskih hordi sa gnušanjem odbijam ove i slične tvrdnje :)

ps. ko je radio,koji uzorak,kako ,što mene niko nije zvao da mi provjeri gene i kako se uopšte vrši odabir :?:

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Post by Abu FEED el-Castro » 04/01/2012 22:48

Moj svijet se srusio.

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Post by Frooteky » 04/01/2012 22:57

Ovo sve me podsjeti na onaj vic kad se zeko napusio, i govore mu Medo i Lija budalo sta to radis a on iz potoka, jebite se kopnene zivotinje :mrgreen:

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Post by Ma.Le.Na » 04/01/2012 22:58

a sta smo sad mi tu :D
zeko ili kopnena zivotinja? :D

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Post by BASS » 04/01/2012 23:02

Ma.Le.Na wrote:a sta smo sad mi tu :D
zeko ili kopnena zivotinja? :D


jasno je samo da nismo iliri :-D

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Post by Ma.Le.Na » 04/01/2012 23:03

meni je zeko legenda :D

stipu...ja sam Jeti....oni ce meni govoriti sta sam :x :D

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Post by zambaklija » 04/01/2012 23:03

ama da je zelje,voće i povrće zdravo zeko bi bio lav a ne zeko.... :mrgreen:

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Post by harač » 04/01/2012 23:04

jesmo l' barem bogumili :? :(

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Post by BASS » 04/01/2012 23:05

zambaklija wrote:ama da je zelje,voće i povrće zdravo zeko bi bio lav a ne zeko.... :mrgreen:


i ja mislim upravo tako

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Post by zambaklija » 04/01/2012 23:06

harač wrote:jesmo l' barem bogumili :? :(

kako će mo biti bogu mili kad nas handri i zigu ko stigne a čini mi se mi sebe sami ponajviše....

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Post by harač » 04/01/2012 23:06

zambaklija wrote:
harač wrote:jesmo l' barem bogumili :? :(

kako će mo biti bogu mili kad nas handri i zigu ko stigne a čini mi se mi sebe sami ponajviše....


:(

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Post by Platformas » 04/01/2012 23:08

Mozda smo Bantu crnci ?

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Post by BASS » 04/01/2012 23:15

Platformas wrote:Mozda smo Bantu crnci ?


ne možeš tako iznositi hipoteze,gdje ti je karta,gdje su ti obiljezeni haplogeni ccc

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Post by S.SC » 04/01/2012 23:22

slobodni armirach wrote:nista ja ovo nekontam,

super su ova istrazivanja koja nemaju izvora a crtaca karata ko pasjih prekakala :D


"Former I2a2a in the Y2010 tree. I2a1b1 (L69.2(=T)/S163.2) is typical of the South Slavic populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Bosnia-Herzegovina (>50%).[15] Haplogroup I2a1b1 is also commonly found in north-eastern Italians.[16] There is also a high concentration of I2a2a in north-east Romania, Moldova and western Ukraine. In 2010 has Ken Nordtvedt argued that I2a1b1 is too young not to have been a result of a sudden expansion.[17] According to him I2a1b1 arose not earlier than 2500 years ago in Eastern Europe. He has presumed this to be a consequence from the Slavic invasion of the Balkans, from the area north-east of the Carpathians since 500 CE.[18] In 2011 Nordtvedt has confirmed I2a1b1 is not older than 2,800 years.[19] In his last comments about Haplogroup I tree and the conjectured spread map, he locates the start of the I2a1b1 lineage around the middle course of the Vistula.[20]"


LITERATURA

- 15 - Marijana Peričić et al., High-Resolution Phylogenetic Analysis of Southeastern Europe Traces Major Episodes of Paternal Gene Flow Among Slavic Populations, Molecular Biology and Evolution, vol. 22, no. 10 (October 2005), pp. 1964-1975 - http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/conte ... /1964/FIG3 (figure 3)
- 16 - Vincenza Battaglia et al., Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of agriculture in southeast Europe, European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication 24 December 2008.
- 17 - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1275835739
- 18 - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1270925314
- 19 - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1307391302
- 20 - http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree ... Hg%20I.pdf

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Post by alcho » 04/01/2012 23:28

zambaklija wrote:ama da je zelje,voće i povrće zdravo zeko bi bio lav a ne zeko.... :mrgreen:

Dok ne probam lava, zamene je janje kralj zivotinja! :lol:

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Post by Frooteky » 04/01/2012 23:30

jebe mi se ja sam Kelt (opet slusam Orthodox Celtse) :mrgreen:

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