Čupo što je prizno sve...

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Čupo što je prizno sve...

Post by Hendrix » 16/03/2007 10:32

Gledam juče na Fox news čitav dan puštaju slike nekakvog sjebanog čupavog arapa , fol prizno sve da je odgovoran za svaki iole teži napad na USA,pogotovo 9/11.
Ima li iko da vjeruje u ove budalaštine?
Mislim,mogli su staviti bilo koga i reći da je prizno i da mu je Bin Laden najbolji jaruga.
Osim toga u Guantanamu nakon godina torture čovjek bi potpiso sve da ga makar premjeste negdje.


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Post by sabanss » 16/03/2007 11:02

Meni lici na nekog ovaj lik ai ne mogu sad skontati na koga...

Ma ovo je nigdje veze.

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Post by cartman » 16/03/2007 11:07

^^ Da nije na onog porno glumca Rona Jeremia il tako nesta :D onaj mali debeli lik ....


Sto se tiche chupe... kakav on i atentati , nebo i zemlja, il su ga premlatili do "priznanja" , il su mu isprali mozak il su mu debelo platili..

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Post by _BosanaC » 16/03/2007 11:08

sabanss wrote:Meni lici na nekog ovaj lik ai ne mogu sad skontati na koga...

Ma ovo je nigdje veze.


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Ron Jeremy :D

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Post by uozo » 16/03/2007 11:08

_BosanaC wrote:
sabanss wrote:Meni lici na nekog ovaj lik ai ne mogu sad skontati na koga...

Ma ovo je nigdje veze.


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Ron Jeremy :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by sabanss » 16/03/2007 11:09

Ma joooook!

Ne gledam ja takve filmove :oops:

Jes' na njega!

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Post by Juiceman » 16/03/2007 11:09

Mislim da je kriv i za oba svjetska rata, ubio je Kennedja, zemljotres u L.A i slično :D

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Post by _BosanaC » 16/03/2007 11:09

cartman wrote:^^ Da nije na onog porno glumca Rona Jeremia il tako nesta :D onaj mali debeli lik ....


Sto se tiche chupe... kakav on i atentati , nebo i zemlja, il su ga premlatili do "priznanja" , il su mu isprali mozak il su mu debelo platili..


Priznao bi i da je Gorski vijenac napisao nakon cetiri godine svega i svacega... Samo me interesuje ko pusi jos tu pricu da fakat jeste priznao...

Ali posto mi nismo relevantni da o tome raspravljamo, ja bih volio da sacekamo vrsne poznavaoce USA unutrasnje i vanjske politike da oni koju promuhabete o tome :oops:

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Post by mostarac » 16/03/2007 12:10

_BosanaC wrote:
cartman wrote:^^ Da nije na onog porno glumca Rona Jeremia il tako nesta :D onaj mali debeli lik ....


Sto se tiche chupe... kakav on i atentati , nebo i zemlja, il su ga premlatili do "priznanja" , il su mu isprali mozak il su mu debelo platili..


Priznao bi i da je Gorski vijenac napisao nakon cetiri godine svega i svacega... Samo me interesuje ko pusi jos tu pricu da fakat jeste priznao...

Ali posto mi nismo relevantni da o tome raspravljamo, ja bih volio da sacekamo vrsne poznavaoce USA unutrasnje i vanjske politike da oni koju promuhabete o tome :oops:


Svemirko i Nisko (array) :D

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Post by _BosanaC » 16/03/2007 12:26

Objavljeno prije 21 sat 48 minuta
Kako američka vojska želi da vidite Guantanamo

Prije par sedmica direktorica Centra za zakone i sigurnost pri Univerzitetu New York, Karen Greenberg posjetila je Guantanamo. Bio je to pokušaj vojske da pokaže javnosti kako je sve što rade u Guantanamu transparentno i doprinosi nacionalnoj sigurnosti SAD-a. Evo njenih utisaka...

"Sa još dvojicom kolega iz Evrope dobila sam dozvolu da odem u dvodnevnu posjetu u Guantanamo. Čim smo sletili na aerodrom, činilo se da smo došli na sasvim drugu planetu.

Zahvaljujući vojsci, naučila sam mnogo o "Gitmo dekorumu", što predstavlja izraz koji vojska želi da koristimo. Moj vodič mi je objasnio kako najbolje da opišem dešavanja u toj ustanovi, bez da koristim vlastita saznanja o svemu što sam vidjela..

U kratkim crtama, evo šta sam naučila:

1. Guantanamo nije zatvor. Zvanični naziv je "ustanova za pritvor". Iako su dva novoizgrađena kompleksa projektovana po uzoru na zatvore u Indiani i Michiganu, riječ "zatvor" nije prihvatljiva u Gitmu.

2. Guantanamo nema zatvorenika, već "neprijatelje". Odnosno puni izraz za njih je -"neprijateljski vojnici koji djeluju van zakona" ili "pritvoreni neprijateljski vojnici".

3. Jednom neprijateljski vojnik, zauvijek neprijateljski vojnik. "Danas više nije stvar je li neko kriv ili nije. Ovdje je riječ o neprijateljima koji djeluju van svih zakona", rekao nam je admiral Harry Harris, glavni oficir u Guantanamu.

"Svi su oni neprijatelji", tvrdi oficir iako Vlada ima naziv i za pokajnike koji "ne pripadaju neprijateljskim vojnicima". To niko nije spomenuo. Nije spomenuta mogućnost pogrešnog pritvaranja uopšte.

4. Ni jedan advokat koji imalo vrijedi ne dolazi u Guantanamo. Za one koji dolaze da brane neke od pritvorenih, čuvari koriste termin "advokatski šljam".

Sasvim je jasno da u Gitmu vjeruju kako pritvorenici koriste advokate da bi komunicirali sa vanjskim svijetom. Tako je pisalo u al-Qaedinom priručniku koji nađen u Manchesteru 2000. godine: "Koristite posjete advokatskog šljama da komunicirate i razmjenjujete informacije sa braćom van zatvora".

5. Reporteri nerealno predstavljaju Guantanamo. Mediji navodno dolaze otvorenih očiju, željni da saznaju šta se dešava. Daju im pratnju koja je uz njih od jutra do mraka, a odlaze bez zahvale domaćinima.

Vojska to zove efektom kameleona. Preuzimaju boje izdajnika.

6. Pritvorenici još uvijek posjeduju vrijedne informacije. Harrison nam je objasnio: "U al- Qaedi, među Talibanima dolaze nove vođe, a mi ne znamo kako oni izgledaju. Često su to bivši saborci neprijatelja koji su ovdje. Dovedemo čovjeka koji crta portrete, dobijemo opis i to onda šaljemo na ratište".

Pitanje: "Koliko su pouzdani ti crteži nakon pet godina provedenih u zatvoru", ostalo je bez odgovora.

7. Individualnost ne postoji. Svim zatvorenicima se obraća po broju.

8. Čvrste činjenice je teško pronaći. "Primijetit ćete da govorimo nejasno. Ponekad je teško shvatiti o čemu govorimo. Ne smijemo pričati o specifičnostima. Koristimo približne vrijednosti, procjene. To su operativne mjere sigurnosti".

9. U Guantanamu nema kontradikcija. Islam se tretira sa poštovanjem. Zatvorenici jedu halal hranu. Svaki zatvorenik, čak i onaj koji odbija saradnju, može dobit Kur'an ako želi. Ipak, ako ih upitate o osnovnim ljudskim pravima kao recimo "nevin dok se ne dokaže da je kriv", narednik kojem ne znate ni ime reći će vam o svim opasnostima koje predstavljaju ti ljudi.

"Dozvoljavamo im dva sata rekreacije dnevno, što je u skadu sa Ženevskom konvencijom," rekao nam je bezimeni član pratnje, ali je dodao i da bi pretraživali njihove ćelije "zatvorenici moraju izaći van kako bi pronašli oružje i informacije".

Ako pokušate dalje da istražujete ovu temu na višem nivou, vaš vodič će biti ukoren zbog davanja pogrešnih informacija.

10. I zadnja lekcija: Posjetioci koji ne budu pratili oficijelne upute naracije, biće kažnjeni.

"Ispričajte ovu priču na neki drugi način i nikada se nećete vratiti ovdje", upozorio me jedan od vodiča tokom ručka.

Samo će vrijeme pokazati da li sam ovo ispričala kako treba."


Bezbeli je i ona neinformisana i dezinformisana... Niti srece po ulici prave ljude, niti prati prave medije...

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Post by Svemirski_Jebach » 16/03/2007 14:58

Ta tema je prezvakana i zna se sta svako normalan misli o tome...prema tome stvarno nema potrebe da se ista vise na to kaze.

Nazalost, vi ocigledno ne znate (ili vjerovatnije necete da znate) da razdvojite neke stvari i da ih posmatrate kao odvojene gdje se nesto kritikuje a nesto hvali...jer nije sve dobro niti je sve lose... :roll:

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Post by Hendrix » 16/03/2007 16:42

Ron Jeremy , pa naravno :D
Meni je od ovoga najinteresantnije kako ova faca ne silazi sa ekrana Fox-a danima , terror ovo terror ono , pa ko se ne bi usro od straha.

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Post by Svemirski_Jebach » 16/03/2007 16:46

buraz nisi gledao kako je Fox pokrio onu dzenazu one djece u Bronxu. Osmero djece imigranata iz Malija poginulo u pozaru u Bronxu, muslimani naravno i Fox je vrlo korektno pokrio dzenazu...ono "they find comfort in their muslim faith" itd itd..

a gledam Fox pocesto, da malo uporedim sa CBS-om i CNN-om...znaju i pozitivno iznenaditi :D :D

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Post by Svemirski_Jebach » 16/03/2007 16:48

InfraRedRidinghood wrote:E, ako je ono mastermind of all evil, ja sam kraljevski pingvin; čovjek djeluje k'o kakav obijač trafika koji se pravo zapustio :D :D :D


varka infra, varka... :D :D a sta bi za Rashu K. rekla...on djeluje ko usamljeni pjesnik nesposoban za nasilje :D :D (malo mi je sumnjivo to priznanje za sve, mada nikad ne znas). sigurno nije bio cist...
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Post by pitt » 16/03/2007 16:53

Khanov necak je bio jedan od onoh koji su pokusali dici WTC u vazduh 93 i ovaj je to javno pricao cak i prije 9/11. Nikad nije ni krio svoju povezanost sa Al-kaidom a za njega se i znalo da je bio jedan od koordinatora napada na WTC 9/11. najveca vijest koja je mnogima od vas promakla je da je priznao da je on licno ubio Daniel Peral-a, novinara WSJ na zvjerski nacin. Samo radi toga ga treba na jarbol objesiti. :oops:

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Post by Svemirski_Jebach » 16/03/2007 16:55

pitt wrote:Khanov necak je bio jedan od onoh koji su pokusali dici WTC u vazduh 93 i ovaj je to javno pricao cak i prije 9/11. Nikad nije ni krio svoju povezanost sa Al-kaidom a za njega se i znalo da je bio jedan od koordinatora napada na WTC 9/11. najveca vijest koja je mnogima od vas promakla je da je priznao da je on licno ubio Daniel Peral-a, novinara WSJ na zvjerski nacin. Samo radi toga ga treba na jarbol objesiti. :oops:


nemoj im kvariti veselje pitte...pusti nek uzivaju :roll: :roll:

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Post by pitt » 16/03/2007 16:58

jebe mi se zivo ko uziva. Onaj ko se javno hvali da je ubio jednog dobrog novinara ne zasluzuje nista drugo. :roll:

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Post by Svemirski_Jebach » 16/03/2007 17:00

zlocinac je i tacka.

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Post by Danko_Bananko » 16/03/2007 17:04

Svemirski_Jebach wrote:zlocinac je i tacka.


Direktore, pritvori sad.
Zakljucak je donesen, nema smisla da se vise razglaba :D

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Officials: Mohammed exaggerated claims

By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press WriterThu Mar 15, 6:29 PM ET

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's claims that he was responsible for dozens of successful, foiled and imagined attacks in the past 15 years relies on a loose definition of the word "responsible." Officials say the 9/11 mastermind was key to some plots but a bit player in others.

The 31 on his list range from the stunningly vicious suicide hijackings of Sept. 11, 2001, to others that current and former government officials say were more talk than concrete plans, such as a plot to kill Jimmy Carter and other former U.S. presidents.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, noting Mohammed's activities are likely to be the subject of an upcoming military tribunal.

His confession, his first public statement since his March 2003 capture in Pakistan, came in a closed-door hearing in the newly established U.S. tribunal process. A 26-page transcript of the Saturday session at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was made public Wednesday night.

While there apparently is truth in much of the statement, several officials said, there's also an element of self-promotion. They view the claims as at least in part a rallying cry to bolster his image and that of al-Qaida in the only venue Mohammed has left: a military courtroom from which the public is barred.

"I have never known a criminal — either terrorist or otherwise — that didn't exaggerate," said Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers, a former FBI agent and the top Republican on the terrorism panel of the House Intelligence Committee.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said authorities would decide the credibility of Mohammed's claims if he is tried. "These are his words," Whitman said.

The United States linked Mohammed closely to the attacks of 9/11, and his statement said he was responsible "from A to Z." Officials don't doubt his claim that he beheaded Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl with what he called his "blessed right hand." And he corroborates al-Qaida's known interest in attacking embassies, London's Heathrow Airport, the New York Stock Exchange and other targets.

But his role in some plots may be more minor than his hands-on involvement in coordinating the attacks of 9/11 — evidence of which was found on his computer when he was captured. Some of the plots were formulated in al-Qaida's early years, when alliances among jihadists were even more fluid than they are today.

"If you look at him having a senior position in al-Qaida, when he says he's responsible, it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways," said Ben Venzke, head of the Virginia-based IntelCenter, a government contractor that monitors al-Qaida messaging.

Some examples:

• Mohammed claims that he was "responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center Operation," which killed six and injured more than 1,000 when a bomb was detonated in an underground garage. Six jihadists with ties to international terror networks are serving life sentences. One official said Mohammed didn't hatch the plot, but he and elements of al-Qaida may have supported it.

• He also claims to be responsible for the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia, which was frequented by British and Australian tourists. Current and former officials say that his role was probably that of a financier for an al-Qaida affiliate group — Jemaah Islamiyah — operating in Southeast Asia.

Mohammed's link "could have been as small as arranging a safe house for travel. It could have been arranging finance," Rogers said. "But for his own self-worth, he may have tended to say, 'I was responsible for Bali.'"

• He claims to have been responsible for providing financial support to "hit American, Jewish and British targets in Turkey." That's probably a reference to the 2003 bombing of two synagogues, a British-based bank and the British consulate in Istanbul, killing 58 people including the British consul-general.

Prosecutors said Osama bin Laden personally ordered the plot, and Mohammed was not named as a key provider of financial support during a three-year trial. Instead, Turkish authorities say a Syrian — Loa'i Mohammad Haj Bakr al-Saqa — masterminded the attacks and ran $170,000 between al-Qaida and the Turkey-based militants.

• And Mohammed claimed he shared responsibility — he stressed shared — for an attempt to assassinate Pope John Paul II during a 2005 stop in the Philippines. Authorities later blamed the plot on Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted of masterminding the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and accused of plotting to blow up U.S. airliners. Yousef was never charged in plotting to kill the pope.

Mohammed's claims help answer some questions. Some intelligence officials have long believed that would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid was part of a larger plan to take down airliners after 9/11, in part, because of e-mails he wrote that were discovered on a computer in a Paris Internet cafe.

Another British citizen has been convicted in the plot. In his statement Saturday, Mohammed said he was responsible for the shoe bomber operation "to down two American airplanes."

Current and former government officials say the CIA spent hundreds — if not thousands — of hours interrogating Mohammed and would have heard him describe in great detail precisely what he claims to have done in each plot. The transcript provided a snippet of his claims, officials said.

A CIA official declined to analyze Mohammed's statements.

One official cautioned that many of Mohammed's claims during interrogation were "white noise" — designed to send the U.S. on wild goose chases or to get him through the day's interrogation session.

In the Defense Department transcript, Mohammed said his statement was not made under duress. But Mohammed and human rights advocates have alleged that he was tortured, and legal experts say that could taint all his statements.

"In light of the rambling nature of his statements, and the views of some that he is prone to exaggerate his importance, we cannot feel confident we know exactly the level of his involvement in various prior attacks," said Joshua Dressler, a criminal law expert at Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University.

The CIA has denied it uses torture. "The agency's terrorist interrogation program has been conducted lawfully, with great care and close review, producing vital information that has helped disrupt plots and save lives," spokesman Paul Gimigliano said.

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Associated Press writers Victor L. Simpson in Rome and Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this story.

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Evo sta kazu o cupi mastermindu u AP! :shock: :-)
Jado, kazu prizno sve sto zna i ne zna! :shock: :-)
Zlocinac jasta! Samo se cak i roditelji Pearla pitaju da li je istina da ga je on ubio? :roll:
Malo se rascitaj!
Inace je mrcina, samo da ne misli neko da krme simpatisem!

:x
ina kraju
.ebo vas on! :x :lol:
Haman cu u Banovice! :? :D

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Post by pitt » 16/03/2007 17:15

ma vrlo je moguce da on to priznaje radi svoje slave kod brace mudzahedina koji ce ga u sveca pretvoriti. Da je nenormalan i terorista to ne sumnjam. I meni su sumnjive sve te uloge koje on priznaje. Za 1993 i 2001 mislim da je imao neke uloge ali ne tako vazne kao sto je navodno priznao. Za perla su ga vezali jos prije nego sto je uhapsen.

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Post by uozo » 16/03/2007 17:28

pitt wrote:ma vrlo je moguce da on to priznaje radi svoje slave kod brace mudzahedina koji ce ga u sveca pretvoriti. Da je nenormalan i terorista to ne sumnjam. I meni su sumnjive sve te uloge koje on priznaje. Za 1993 i 2001 mislim da je imao neke uloge ali ne tako vazne kao sto je navodno priznao. Za perla su ga vezali jos prije nego sto je uhapsen.

Govno ko govno! :roll:
Inace sam ono za Pearla ovdje procit'o
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0 ... 55,00.html
Nemam pojma pomazel' sta? :? :?
Inace po meni 'vako govno ne zasluzuje ni jednu recenicu a kamoli citavu temu!
:x

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Post by penzioner » 16/03/2007 17:59

Priznao u Gutanamo Bay zatvoru. Ne čudi me.

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Post by pitt » 16/03/2007 18:10

kako to da drugi ne priznaju onda? Mislim da je to promocija samog sebe bila...nista vise.

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Post by Hantraga » 16/03/2007 18:43

Ako je ovaj glavni organizator cjelog napada, e nasto je Al Queda spala... :lol:

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