KINA

[The 51st State]

Kinezi bas pate za mornaricom.
Na tom polju ne mogu jednom Japanu biti konkuretni ni za 100 godina, doslovce.

jaci su oni od japana u svakom pogledu trenutno.
japan nema vojsku nego self defence force,jos od ww2...tek vraceno min.odbrane.
kina ima armiju od 2+ mil vojnika,japan 200k+...
kineska mornarica i japanska omjer skoro 6:1 u ljudstvu, u brodovima,u korist kine 2:1.
kinezi imaju nosac.

japanci imaju amerikance, end of story.

[sumirprimus]

nije sporno,kao sto nije sporno da bi japanci u slucaju sbb kbb za 6 mjeseci napravili sve sto im treba...
pitanje je bilo odnosa kine i japana.

[Cornholio_]

jaci su oni od japana u svakom pogledu trenutno.
japan nema vojsku nego self defence force,jos od ww2...tek vraceno min.odbrane.
kina ima armiju od 2+ mil vojnika,japan 200k+...
kineska mornarica i japanska omjer skoro 6:1 u ljudstvu, u brodovima,u korist kine 2:1.
kinezi imaju nosac.

O mornarici pricam jer se Japanci u tom nekom imaginarnom sukobu ne misle braniti na kopnu nego na moru a njihova mornarica je drasticno modernija i posade obucenije + sto ne sjede skrstenih ruku nego uvode nove brodove i tehnologije o kojima ćinezi mogu sanjati.
Kinezi imaju pokusaj od nosaca, onu olupinu je jahao ko je stizao
Trebaju jos pure pojesti da to bude blizu jamerickom nosacu aviona. Pure i pure.

[sumirprimus]

jaci su oni od japana u svakom pogledu trenutno.
japan nema vojsku nego self defence force,jos od ww2...tek vraceno min.odbrane.
kina ima armiju od 2+ mil vojnika,japan 200k+...
kineska mornarica i japanska omjer skoro 6:1 u ljudstvu, u brodovima,u korist kine 2:1.
kinezi imaju nosac.

O mornarici pricam jer se Japanci u tom nekom imaginarnom sukobu ne misle braniti na kopnu nego na moru a njihova mornarica je drasticno modernija i posade obucenije + sto ne sjede skrstenih ruku nego uvode nove brodove i tehnologije o kojima ćinezi mogu sanjati.
Kinezi imaju pokusaj od nosaca, onu olupinu je jahao ko je stizao
Trebaju jos pure pojesti da to bude blizu jamerickom nosacu aviona. Pure i pure.

na njemu su ispekli zanat..ukrajinac...
kinezi nisu za podcijenit.znaju to i ameri..a rijesili su izgleda i pitanje polijetanja s nosaca...

[LDLT]

Pa omjer je bio i negativan za svakoga tko je ratovao sa Kinom. Pa i za Japan u 2.svj. i osvajanjima po Kini prije toga.
Nije ih baš zaustavilo da okupiraju nekoliko stotina milijuna ljudi.
Kraj 2.svj, Ameri rasturili Japansku mornaricu, totalna blokada otočja (Amer podmornice su na Pacifiku potopile višestruko više brodova i tona nego Njemačke u Atlantiku) u i trenu kad pada prva atomska bomba Japanci drže pod okupacijom većinu Kineske obale, najveće gradove i dubinu teritorija oko velikih rijeka.

[sumirprimus]

to je bilo tad,a sad je sad.

[LDLT]

Nebi baš rekao, nije to samo Japan. Ta neka fascinacija brojkama Kine, tipa više od milijarda ljudi, najveća armija na svijetu, najveći gradovi..Kina je uvijek bila gigant, a to nije spriječilo masu manjih nacija da ih šamaraju.

A najveći ratovi su im bili oni međusobno
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_conquest_of_the_Ming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion

[sumirprimus]

eh eh, pa i neamo bas nekog najnovijeg repera jel tako?tako jee!
modernizuju se ubrzano..
grade otoke,baze,tu i tamo ukradu nacrt,stelt avijoji, lui vuIton torbice,hakerisu...

[Co0l]

Kinezi bas pate za mornaricom.
Na tom polju ne mogu jednom Japanu biti konkuretni ni za 100 godina, doslovce.

jaci su oni od japana u svakom pogledu trenutno.
japan nema vojsku nego self defence force,jos od ww2...tek vraceno min.odbrane.
kina ima armiju od 2+ mil vojnika,japan 200k+...
kineska mornarica i japanska omjer skoro 6:1 u ljudstvu, u brodovima,u korist kine 2:1.
kinezi imaju nosac.

Ni Izrael nema vojsku nego Israel Defense Forces

[Co0l]

jaci su oni od japana u svakom pogledu trenutno.
japan nema vojsku nego self defence force,jos od ww2...tek vraceno min.odbrane.
kina ima armiju od 2+ mil vojnika,japan 200k+...
kineska mornarica i japanska omjer skoro 6:1 u ljudstvu, u brodovima,u korist kine 2:1.
kinezi imaju nosac.

O mornarici pricam jer se Japanci u tom nekom imaginarnom sukobu ne misle braniti na kopnu nego na moru a njihova mornarica je drasticno modernija i posade obucenije + sto ne sjede skrstenih ruku nego uvode nove brodove i tehnologije o kojima ćinezi mogu sanjati.
Kinezi imaju pokusaj od nosaca, onu olupinu je jahao ko je stizao
Trebaju jos pure pojesti da to bude blizu jamerickom nosacu aviona. Pure i pure.

na njemu su ispekli zanat..ukrajinac...
kinezi nisu za podcijenit.znaju to i ameri..a rijesili su izgleda i pitanje polijetanja s nosaca...

Super.Ne kaskaju puno za konkurencijom po tom pitanju,jedno 80-90 godina

[jao_situacije]

Kinezi bas pate za mornaricom.
Na tom polju ne mogu jednom Japanu biti konkuretni ni za 100 godina, doslovce.

jaci su oni od japana u svakom pogledu trenutno.
japan nema vojsku nego self defence force,jos od ww2...tek vraceno min.odbrane.
kina ima armiju od 2+ mil vojnika,japan 200k+...
kineska mornarica i japanska omjer skoro 6:1 u ljudstvu, u brodovima,u korist kine 2:1.
kinezi imaju nosac.

Ni Izrael nema vojsku nego Israel Defense Forces

[LDLT]

Japan je u stanju u veoma kratkom roku izbaciti popriličan military hardware, jedna od vodećih industrijskih i tehnoloških sila a dosta malo troše na vojsku.

[jao_situacije]

kina ima nosač aviona, a čitav japan je nosač aviona koji se ne može potopiti
japanci su kamikaze. njihov kodeks ponašanja i nacionalni ponos je takav, da kad bi ostali bez ičega katanom bi sjekli kineze
amerikanci su ih ciljano stavili pod svoju čizmu poslije 2 svj rata, bolje ih je imati kao saveznike nego protivnike

svršavanje na brojke kine je smiješno kao i u slučaju njemačka vs rusija
njemačka se ne bi mogla braniti od rusije, kao ni japan od kine

[LDLT]

Pa realno, Japan i Kina su jedine zemlje koje mogu dominirati istočnom Azijom, tj. sve sjeverno od Australije/istočno od Indije pa dokle Amerika dopusti.
Kina to nikad u potpunosti nije uspjevala, samo jedan kratak period okupacije Vijetnama i malo dužeg kad su držali Koreju.
Za Japan već možeš reć da je, iako sukob na sve strane ih je bacio natrag. Od kraja 2.svj. vode neku turbo pacifističku politiku koja im realno ne priliči
Mislim da to pomalo ide prema kraju. Zanimljivo će ovo biti jer po istraživanjima ogromna većina Japanaca pozitivno gleda na SAD i na ulogu SADa u svijetu i smatraju ih saveznikom.

[sumirprimus]

japanci su imali zabranu formiranja armije nakon ww2...
osim te neke kod nas bi rekli, teritorijalne odbrane iz bivse JNA...
za odrzavanje unutarnjeg mira, i u slucaju elementarnih nepogoda,zemljotresa,poplava...
za vanjske neprijatelje garant su bili ameri...
pa ljudi do prije par godina nisu imali ni ministarstvo odbrane...japan.
naravno da se to mijenja u zadnje vrijeme jer su i oni svjesni dizanja kine kao vojne sile i njihovih postupaka u juznom i istocnom kin.moru...

[walter kurtz]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... ce=twitter

It is the near future, and China prepares to strike back after being attacked, loosing off ballistic missiles to take out an aircraft carrier and destroying an airfield as a fighter jet takes off.

The enemy is not named in the animation, released late last month by Chinese internet giant Tencent, but the ship looks a lot like a U.S. Nimitz-class carrier, while the destroyed fighter is clearly a Lockheed Martin Corp F-22.

It may be fantasy, but the clip - viewed more than 60 million times so far - reflects a mood of rising nationalism and confidence among the Chinese public and military.

An assertive China under President Xi Jinping now believes its military has the technology to at the very least make the United States think twice before undertaking any military adventures in what China sees as its backyard.

"Can the United States be certain of getting the upper hand in the event of a showdown with China?" retired Major-General Luo Yuan, now a widely followed military commentator, wrote in June. "China is preparing every day to win a modern war."

Xi visits the United States at end of this month.

Analysts see three potential arenas for such a showdown - the South China Sea, where China has a series of overlapping territorial disputes with its neighbors, the East China Sea, where remote islets are a source of friction between Beijing and U.S. ally Japan, and any conflict over self-ruled Taiwan.

The United States remains by far the world's most powerful military nation and has pledged to keep sailing in what it regards as international waters off China, dedicating some of its most advanced assets to the region.

But China's ostentatious display of some of its latest military hardware at a parade in Beijing last week to mark the end of World War Two underlined its growing might.

A senior U.S. official said that, while the Chinese military build-up of recent years had been of ongoing concern, last week's parade was "more for a showcase effect and not something that has anybody in Washington overly worried".

MISSILES ON SHOW

Among the weapons unveiled for the first time at the parade was an anti-ship ballistic missile, the Dongfeng-21D, a still untested weapon designed to destroy an aircraft carrier with one hit.

Also on show were several intercontinental ballistic missiles such as the DF-5B and the DF-31A as well as the DF-26 intermediate range ballistic missile, dubbed the "Guam killer" by defense media because it bolsters China's ability to threaten the U.S. Pacific Ocean base.

Airfields and ports under construction on newly reclaimed Chinese islands in the disputed South China Sea will help China project power far into South East Asian waters.

"We've already basically broken through the first island chain," retired rear admiral Zhang Zhaozhong said in state media this year, referring to the ability to confront the United States close to home around Taiwan.

"Now we need to break through the second and third island chains," he added, meaning being able to challenge the U.S. Navy in the rest of East Asia and then out as far as Hawaii.

Richard Bitzinger, a regional security analyst at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said while there was nothing technologically new on show last week, he was concerned at potential Chinese military over-confidence.

"Just because they are developing capabilities that are complicating operations, especially for the Americans, doesn't mean they have won the war already," he said.

PACIFIC POWER

The United States, which under President Barack Obama has pursued a strategy of "rebalancing" towards Asia, is not about to give up its position as the leading naval power in the western Pacific any time soon.

The U.S. Navy says about 58 percent of all of its forces - ships, aircraft, sailors and Marines - are deployed to or home-ported in the Pacific Fleet, including in Japan, Guam and Singapore.

The USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier is on its way to Japan and three more American aircraft carriers are home-ported on America's Pacific coast.

A recent Pentagon report also noted significant gaps in Chinese defenses, saying it lacked, for example, a robust anti-submarine warfare capability.

"Having these missiles and being able to use them effectively in a conflict are two very different things," said a Western official in Beijing, citing internal assessments of the missiles on show at the parade, adding it was not clear whether the newest models had even been deployed yet.

Still, China's advances are already causing major headaches in democratic Taiwan, which China claims as its own and has never renounced the use of force to bring under its control. The United States is obligated by law to help Taiwan defend itself.

An unpublished Taiwan Defense Ministry report, seen by Reuters, warned that China's upgraded H-6 bomber, when equipped with anti-ship missiles, would enable China to project power even deep into the Indian Ocean.

The same aircraft type appears in the Tencent animation, firing off missiles that end up taking out the carrier.

"The message China is giving these days is 'we're here and you'd better get used to it'," said one senior Beijing-based Asian diplomat. "The aim is to push the Americans as far away as possible. There can only be one big brother in this region."

(Additional reporting by Michael Martina in BEIJING, Greg Torode in HONG KONG, J.R. Wu in TAIPEI, Phil Stewart and Matt Spetalnick in WASHINGTON and Matt Siegel in SYDNEY; Editing by Alex Richardson)

[walter kurtz]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... ce=twitter

It is the near future, and China prepares to strike back after being attacked, loosing off ballistic missiles to take out an aircraft carrier and destroying an airfield as a fighter jet takes off.

The enemy is not named in the animation, released late last month by Chinese internet giant Tencent, but the ship looks a lot like a U.S. Nimitz-class carrier, while the destroyed fighter is clearly a Lockheed Martin Corp F-22.

It may be fantasy, but the clip - viewed more than 60 million times so far - reflects a mood of rising nationalism and confidence among the Chinese public and military.

An assertive China under President Xi Jinping now believes its military has the technology to at the very least make the United States think twice before undertaking any military adventures in what China sees as its backyard.

"Can the United States be certain of getting the upper hand in the event of a showdown with China?" retired Major-General Luo Yuan, now a widely followed military commentator, wrote in June. "China is preparing every day to win a modern war."

Xi visits the United States at end of this month.

Analysts see three potential arenas for such a showdown - the South China Sea, where China has a series of overlapping territorial disputes with its neighbors, the East China Sea, where remote islets are a source of friction between Beijing and U.S. ally Japan, and any conflict over self-ruled Taiwan.

The United States remains by far the world's most powerful military nation and has pledged to keep sailing in what it regards as international waters off China, dedicating some of its most advanced assets to the region.

But China's ostentatious display of some of its latest military hardware at a parade in Beijing last week to mark the end of World War Two underlined its growing might.

A senior U.S. official said that, while the Chinese military build-up of recent years had been of ongoing concern, last week's parade was "more for a showcase effect and not something that has anybody in Washington overly worried".

MISSILES ON SHOW

Among the weapons unveiled for the first time at the parade was an anti-ship ballistic missile, the Dongfeng-21D, a still untested weapon designed to destroy an aircraft carrier with one hit.

Also on show were several intercontinental ballistic missiles such as the DF-5B and the DF-31A as well as the DF-26 intermediate range ballistic missile, dubbed the "Guam killer" by defense media because it bolsters China's ability to threaten the U.S. Pacific Ocean base.

Airfields and ports under construction on newly reclaimed Chinese islands in the disputed South China Sea will help China project power far into South East Asian waters.

"We've already basically broken through the first island chain," retired rear admiral Zhang Zhaozhong said in state media this year, referring to the ability to confront the United States close to home around Taiwan.

"Now we need to break through the second and third island chains," he added, meaning being able to challenge the U.S. Navy in the rest of East Asia and then out as far as Hawaii.

Richard Bitzinger, a regional security analyst at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said while there was nothing technologically new on show last week, he was concerned at potential Chinese military over-confidence.

"Just because they are developing capabilities that are complicating operations, especially for the Americans, doesn't mean they have won the war already," he said.

PACIFIC POWER

The United States, which under President Barack Obama has pursued a strategy of "rebalancing" towards Asia, is not about to give up its position as the leading naval power in the western Pacific any time soon.

The U.S. Navy says about 58 percent of all of its forces - ships, aircraft, sailors and Marines - are deployed to or home-ported in the Pacific Fleet, including in Japan, Guam and Singapore.

The USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier is on its way to Japan and three more American aircraft carriers are home-ported on America's Pacific coast.

A recent Pentagon report also noted significant gaps in Chinese defenses, saying it lacked, for example, a robust anti-submarine warfare capability.

"Having these missiles and being able to use them effectively in a conflict are two very different things," said a Western official in Beijing, citing internal assessments of the missiles on show at the parade, adding it was not clear whether the newest models had even been deployed yet.

Still, China's advances are already causing major headaches in democratic Taiwan, which China claims as its own and has never renounced the use of force to bring under its control. The United States is obligated by law to help Taiwan defend itself.

An unpublished Taiwan Defense Ministry report, seen by Reuters, warned that China's upgraded H-6 bomber, when equipped with anti-ship missiles, would enable China to project power even deep into the Indian Ocean.

The same aircraft type appears in the Tencent animation, firing off missiles that end up taking out the carrier.

"The message China is giving these days is 'we're here and you'd better get used to it'," said one senior Beijing-based Asian diplomat. "The aim is to push the Americans as far away as possible. There can only be one big brother in this region."

(Additional reporting by Michael Martina in BEIJING, Greg Torode in HONG KONG, J.R. Wu in TAIPEI, Phil Stewart and Matt Spetalnick in WASHINGTON and Matt Siegel in SYDNEY; Editing by Alex Richardson)

[Co0l]

Adekvatan naslov crtanog filma-kineska vojna fantazija

[LDLT]

Već dulje poznata stvar, da se u marksizmu vole krivotvoriti brojke o vlastitom uspjehu. Pa tako i u Kini, od direktora tvornica do bankara pa čak i regionalnih guvernera. Mislim da je još prije krize kineski premijer 2007. priznao da se često koriste i procjene i analize stranih banka i fondova jer su domaće nepouzdane.
Pa sad kao neko iznenađenje da Kina i dalje "raste" stopom od 7%. A brojke daju druge indikacije, bliže je recesiji nego 7%
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-1 ... ten-charts

[Challenger__]

- demonopolizacija međunarodnog platnog sistema:




Ne SWIFT nego CIPS

Kina planira do kraja ove godine pokrenuti vlastiti međunarodni platni sistem CIPS

Kineski premijer Li Keqiang rekao je kako Kina planira do kraja ove godine pokrenuti vlastiti međunarodni platni sistem. "Do kraja godine kompletirati ćemo Kineski Međunarodni Platni Sistem, odnosno CIPS", rekao je Li Keqiang za vrijeme godišnje plenarne sjednice državnog vijeća.



"Imamo visoku stopu štednje i velike rezerve stranih valuta. Nužno je upotrijebiti ove resurse efikasno kako bismo unaprijedili učinkovitost financijskog sektora", istaknuo je.

Također je rekao kako će Kina nastaviti sa smanjivanjem restrikcija po pitanju pristupa privatnog kapitala financijskom sektoru. "Pomoći ćemo u razvoju privatnih banaka te otvoriti financijski sektor šire za cijeli svijet. To je naš cilj", poručio je kineski premijer.

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[Avetinho]

Ne moze covjek bez trcanja u advance po misljenje ni sekunde.

Otvori oci bolan ne bio! Kina grca u govnima sa svojom valutom. Ko ce normalan s njima trgovati u juanima kad niko ne zna kad ce biti devaluirana do dna? Isto rublja, isto brazilski real.

Samo mogu budale medjusobno trgovati za papirnato govno bez pokrica.

[LDLT]

PBoC (People's Bank of China) već neko vrijeme efektivno provodi soft QE, po procjeni sad će to morati ubaciti u višu brzinu.
Sa druge strane možda je prošlo ispod radara da je Kina prodala dio svog US javnog duga da bi došla do potrebnih dolara za intervenciju na tržištu deviza, po procjeni malo iznad 100 mlrd.

[veliki_vezir]

Da malo prekinem kakenje profesionalnih kakacha i prenesem najnovije vijesti iz NR Kine

CHINA made aviation history Monday, when its first domestically-produced large passenger aircraft was unveiled in Shanghai.

The C919 plane was developed by the Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China(COMAC) and, when it is cleared for commercial use, is expected to compete with the updated Airbus 320 and Boeing's new-generation 737.


http://www.shanghaidaily.com/business/C ... aily.shtml

[Sanjarko]

Da malo prekinem kakenje profesionalnih kakacha i prenesem najnovije vijesti iz NR Kine

CHINA made aviation history Monday, when its first domestically-produced large passenger aircraft was unveiled in Shanghai.

The C919 plane was developed by the Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China(COMAC) and, when it is cleared for commercial use, is expected to compete with the updated Airbus 320 and Boeing's new-generation 737.


http://www.shanghaidaily.com/business/C ... aily.shtml

Kako sam Ja shvatio prave odavno putnicke avione samo manje.
Ovo je prvi veci avion napravljen jos od prekida razvoja i proizvodnje aviona 80-tih.

[asurbanipal]

Japanska carska vojska je na današnji dan 1937. godine ušla u staru kinesku prijestolnicu Nanjing (Nanking). U narednih mjesec dana izvršili su ono što je u literaturi poznato kao "silovanje Nankinga" - na razne divljačke načine su pobili do 300.000 osoba uz pljačku i masovna silovanja bez obzira na dob. Službeni Japan i većina njihovih historiografa ne priznaju japansko sudjelovanje u zločinima. Postoji znatna količina foto materijala koji nisu dopušteni za objavljivanje, a nisu ni za ovog foruma. Među njima je i jedna od najgorih ratnih slika ikada...











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