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ma sta gay....ma bolan postoje ciste pedercineanimals wrote:Kakvi gay zidova, ne kontam..sherbett wrote:Gayevi vladaju svijetom
Zamisli gay zidova.. pa taj je na vrhu piramide
aha, sad kontam..ja mislio zid, a ono Jevrej
jel postoje Jevrej, koji je gay
Cesto se pozivas na Gustava Mannerheima... I on je bio antisemit. Za vrijeme WW1 bio je general u ruskoj vojsci, borio se u Galiciji protiv Austrougarske i u jednom pismu sestri pise da su jedini dobitnici rata Jevreji. Kaze unistavaju se zivoti, mjenja geografija a jedinu korist od toga imaju Jevreji.Gojeni H wrote:U citabu ne pise vise nista o konkretnom nalazistu.zijancer wrote: Šta se nakon toga dešavalo sa nalazištima u Bakuu?
A što ti je čudno, sreće ti? Lik koji je porijeklom zadrti Prus, germanofil, anti-komunist, visoki oficir Ruske carske vojske i veliki štovalac baćuške Cara, i namigivač Nacistima od 39-e.stakasa wrote:Cesto se pozivas na Gustava Mannerheima... Od njega mi je to cudno.
Jevrej, gay i crnac...animals wrote:Kakvi gay zidova, ne kontam..sherbett wrote:Gayevi vladaju svijetom
Zamisli gay zidova.. pa taj je na vrhu piramide
aha, sad kontam..ja mislio zid, a ono Jevrej
jel postoje Jevrej, koji je gay
Covjek je porijeklom bio Svedanin, ne Prus. Protiv Prusa se je borio i bio puno vise germanofob nego -fil, pricao tecno francuski a njemackog ni rijeci... No nije tema.Woody wrote:A što ti je čudno, sreće ti? Lik koji je porijeklom zadrti Prus, germanofil, anti-komunist, visoki oficir Ruske carske vojske i veliki štovalac baćuške Cara, i namigivač Nacistima od 39-e.stakasa wrote:Cesto se pozivas na Gustava Mannerheima... Od njega mi je to cudno.
Imao je sve početne sastojke
E, sad... Ne slažem se ni sa njegovom konstatacijom da su samo Jevreji profitirali iz WW1. A Finska? Dobila nezavisnost o kojoj bi bez Ruskog poraza mogla samo sanjati, a danas bi čak možda bili i provincija nazvana Sovjetska Republika Karelia. Doduše, ekspresno nakon nezavisnosti dobili su i krvavi građanski rat kao gratis.
Meni je čudnija ta percepcija povezivanja Jevreja sa komunizmom, koja je i dan danas itekako prisutna u mnogim mozgovima.
Zašto to? Ja ne kontam
Idemo po redu:stakasa wrote:Covjek je porijeklom bio Svedanin, ne Prus. Protiv Prusa se je borio i bio puno vise germanofob nego -fil, pricao tecno francuski a njemackog ni rijeci... No nije tema.
Iza njega svasta stoji, niko mu ne moze osporiti veliku dozu zdravog razuma, u teskim vremenima je donosio odlicne odluke i volio bih znati pozadinu ove antisemitske izjave.
Gustaf Mannerheim je bio apsolutno najuticajnija osoba u Finskoj u vrijeme Zimskog i Produzenog rata.stakasa wrote:Cesto se pozivas na Gustava Mannerheima... I on je bio antisemit. Za vrijeme WW1 bio je general u ruskoj vojsci, borio se u Galiciji protiv Austrougarske i u jednom pismu sestri pise da su jedini dobitnici rata Jevreji. Kaze unistavaju se zivoti, mjenja geografija a jedinu korist od toga imaju Jevreji.Gojeni H wrote:U citabu ne pise vise nista o konkretnom nalazistu.zijancer wrote: Šta se nakon toga dešavalo sa nalazištima u Bakuu?
Od njega mi je to cudno. Frajer je bio realan, bio na licu mjesta, jos s ove strane. I inace, sve te teorije o nozu u leda Njemcima koje se sada mogu procitati i do kojih covjek moze doci izgledaju neuvjerljivo. Ili ja nisam nailazio na nesto smislenije i potkovanije
Moras bit' dobar komad budale. 
What Maimonides was trying to do was to strengthen the faith by stripping it of superstition and buttressing what remained by reason.
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To theology he brought a confidence in the compatibility of faith and reason which fitted his own calm and majestic mind but which was in due course to carry Spinoza outside Judaism completely.
Historija Jevreja - Paul Johnson
Svaki put kada bi se "previse" digli dobijali su po prstima. U tome svijetlu treba gledati i stradanje pod nacistima jer je stradanju prethodilo zlatno doba njemackih Jevreja u Vajmarskoj republiciGojeni H wrote:1648-49 god. katastrofa je pogodila Jevreje jugoistocne Poljske i Ukrajine. Ova epizoda je od ogromne vaznosti za jevrejsku historiju, ali je trenutna posljedica bila lekcija za Jevreje o njihovoj ranjivoj poziciji, te snazi i stihiji snaga koje su ih mogle napasti bez ikakvog upozorenja.
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Tridesetogodisnji rat je predstavljao ogroman pritisak za industriju izvoza hrane u Poljskoj. Zbog svoje razgranate mreze u Poljskoj, Jevreji su bili izuzetno uspjesni u snabdijevanju razlicitih oruzanih snaga hranom.
Najveci profit su dobijali poljski zemljoposjednici. Najveci gubitnici su bili poljski i ukrajinski seljaci ...
Zemljoposjednici, koji cesto nisu ni bili vidjeni u medjusobnim transakcijama, vrsili su pritisak na Jevreje prilikom svake obnove iznajmljivanja (zemlje, mlinova, itd., opa.) podizuci cijene najma. S druge strane, Jevreji su vrsili pritisak na seljake.
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Ukrajinski seljaci su se konacno pobunili u proljece 1648. god., vodjeni od strane sitnog aristokrate Bogdana Chmielnickog, uz pomoc dnjeparskih Kozaka i krimskih Tatara.
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U Tulchinu, poljske trupe su predale Jevreje u zamjenu za vlastite zivote.
U Tarnopolu, garnizon je odbio primiti jevrejske izbjeglice.
U Baru, tvrdjava je pala i svi Jevreji su masakrirani.
U Nemirovu, Kozaci su se probili u tvrdjavu obuceni kao Poljaci i "6000 dusa je izgubilo zivote".
U sinagogama su upotrebljavali ritualne nozeve i ubijali Jevreje.
Nepoznato je koliko je Jevreja poginulo. Jevrejski historicari tvrde da je oko 100 hiljada ljudi ubijeno a 300 naselja unisteno.
Jedan od modernih historicara smatra da su vecina Jevreja uspjeli pobjeci te da sami dogadjaji nisu znacajni za opstanak Jevreja na ovom podrucju vec da su dogadjaji vazni kao "kratki prekid znacajnog rasta i prosperiteta poljske jevrejske zajednice".
Historija Jevreja - Paul Johnson, str. 258-260
Nisu se cak morali ni pretjerano "dizati". Interesantan je tretman carske Rusije, koja je Jevrejima zabranjivala naseljavanje na svom teritoriju do aneksije dijela danasnje Poljske, kada su ekpresno dobili oko milion gradjana jevrejske vjere.stakasa wrote:
Svaki put kada bi se "previse" digli dobijali su po prstima. U tome svijetlu treba gledati i stradanje pod nacistima jer je stradanju prethodilo zlatno doba njemackih Jevreja u Vajmarskoj republici
Ne da nisu pripadali kremi nego su bili vise gladni nego siti, socijalni status u rangu sa ciganima. Ali... Ne totalno neobrazovani, i najsiromasniji su znali citat. Ovde govorimo o Galiciji koja je tih godina pripala Austrougarskoj (ranije Poljskoj). I onda dolazi do migracija u gradove, prije svega Bec ali i Prag i Budimpestu (ovim redom) pa i u manje gradove u provinciji, prije svega na njemackom govornom podrucju. I fantasticno klasno putovanje gdje bi prva generacija zadrzala obicaje, frizuru i kaftane ali i skolovala djecu a sljedece dvije dokucile do vrha. I to je bolo oci. Ostalo znamoGojeni H wrote:Nisu se cak morali ni pretjerano "dizati". Interesantan je tretman carske Rusije, koja je Jevrejima zabranjivala naseljavanje na svom teritoriju do aneksije dijela danasnje Poljske, kada su ekpresno dobili oko milion gradjana jevrejske vjere.stakasa wrote:
Svaki put kada bi se "previse" digli dobijali su po prstima. U tome svijetlu treba gledati i stradanje pod nacistima jer je stradanju prethodilo zlatno doba njemackih Jevreja u Vajmarskoj republici
Procentualno ogranicen broj Jevreja koji se mogu upisati u skole (cak i u mjestima gdje su cinili natpolovicnu vecinu), ogranicenje slobode kretanja po ruskoj teritoriji, i milion drugih birokratskih ogranicenja.
Inace su Ashkenazijski Jevreji istocne Evrope interesantni jer ih veliki broj nije pripadao nikakvoj kremi drustva. Jednostavno su bili krivi sto postoje.
Interesantan je dolazak tih Jevreja u Ameriku pocetkom 20. vijeka. "Domicilni" Jevreji su ih smatrali prljavim i "neispoliranim", ali su se pored toga bojali da njihov dolazak ne prouzrokuje negodovanje domaceg stanovnistva po uzoru na evropske gradove u proslosti, kada je dolazak jevrejskih izbjeglica uzrokovao protjerivanjem i "domacih".
Sudbina americkih Jevreja je svojevrstan drustveni fenomen. Iako je diskriminacija postojala, sami temelji Sjedinjenih drzava nisu dozvoljavali pogrome. Paul Johnson u svom djelu Historija Jevreja citira Thomas-a Jefferson-a koji je izjavio, parafraziram: "Sloboda ispovijedanja velikog broja razlicitih vjera, ovu zemlju moze uciniti samo jacom."
I onda nekad bude Kristallnacht...First, let us set fire to their synagogues or schools.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings be taken from them.
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.
Fifth, I advise that safe conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews.
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping….
Bilo je vec o Luteru, i o njemu i o crkvi generalno, sta se je po misama propovijedalo do 1950-ih i tako to.piupiu wrote:Ne znam jeste li dosad objavili Lutherove 'instrukcije' o Jevrejima, kad su, ono, odbili da se pokrste...
I onda nekad bude Kristallnacht...First, let us set fire to their synagogues or schools.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings be taken from them.
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.
Fifth, I advise that safe conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews.
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping….
E. Vidiš što ti je ideološka sujeta...stakasa wrote:Bilo je vec o Luteru, i o njemu i o crkvi generalno, sta se je po misama propovijedalo do 1950-ih i tako to. Samo golemo frajer odma u glavu - zapalite im skole i sinagoge
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly and I myself was unaware of it will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
Fifth, I advise that safeconduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.
Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
Pa nije ovo Engleski forum..piupiu wrote:E. Vidiš što ti je ideološka sujeta...stakasa wrote:Bilo je vec o Luteru, i o njemu i o crkvi generalno, sta se je po misama propovijedalo do 1950-ih i tako to. Samo golemo frajer odma u glavu - zapalite im skole i sinagoge
Sad gore popravih da dodam da je to skraćena verzija njegovih teza iz pamfleta "Jevereji i njihove laži". Još to on sve i fino obrazloži... evo taj dio u kompletu:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly and I myself was unaware of it will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
Fifth, I advise that safeconduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.
Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
animals wrote:I danas dan u Becu drze mnoge vrijedne nekretine i bogastva..
Haj' šta će ti, miša mu, nisi protestant.animals wrote:Pa nije ovo Engleski forum..
prevedi nam to, ne zna svatko engleski..
Mogo je on pisat sta je god htjeo kad se aljkavo sprovodi... I dan danas nekretnine po centralnim mjestima u Becupiupiu wrote:Haj' šta će ti, miša mu, nisi protestant.animals wrote:Pa nije ovo Engleski forum..
prevedi nam to, ne zna svatko engleski..
Šalim se. Ukratko - zapali, sruši, otmi, zabrani... sve što ima veze s njima.
