Interesantan film ???

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Je li neko gledao film "waking life"? To je film sastavljen on mnostva malih nepovezanih prica, svaka od po nekoliko minuta, i raspravlja o raznim temama. Ja sam posle svake jednostavno morao pauzirati snimak, da bih detaljnije razmislio o temi... za one koji vole da kontempliraju ovo je pravi film, jer naprosto se ne mozes obuzdati od pritiskanja dugmeta za pauzu svaki cas, da bi razmislio o onome sto je receno na filmu. Desavalo mi se da gledam film 3 minute, a onda pauziram i razmisljam 15-20 minuta :-) Steta sto sam pogledao samo pola filma, i izgubih negdje dvd.

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to što tamo vidiš su obične tlapnje pokušavajući od nečeg napravit nešto što nije. istina je vezano za neku ikonografiju da je preuzeta od nečeg što je već postojalo, ali to je tzv. inkulturacija radi lakšeg širenja, a ne plagiranje nečeg već postojećeg. i crkva danas naučava da su imena kao što su Jahve ili Elohim preuzeta iz starijih kultura i njihovih bogova (asirci) ali bez neke sličnosti sa istim. ali razlog tomu je geografsko podrijeklo naroda bliskog istoka, a sa vjerske strane objašnjeno Bog se ljudima objavljuje na način na koji ga oni mogu shvatit, kao nešto što im je već poznato.
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Postovani_korisnik wrote:Je li neko gledao film "waking life"? To je film sastavljen on mnostva malih nepovezanih prica, svaka od po nekoliko minuta, i raspravlja o raznim temama. Ja sam posle svake jednostavno morao pauzirati snimak, da bih detaljnije razmislio o temi... za one koji vole da kontempliraju ovo je pravi film, jer naprosto se ne mozes obuzdati od pritiskanja dugmeta za pauzu svaki cas, da bi razmislio o onome sto je receno na filmu. Desavalo mi se da gledam film 3 minute, a onda pauziram i razmisljam 15-20 minuta :-) Steta sto sam pogledao samo pola filma, i izgubih negdje dvd.

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lord of war sa nikolasom kejdzom
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otkako sam gledao The Arrivals, svijet gledam sasvim drugim ocima :|
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Quaresma wrote:otkako sam gledao The Arrivals, svijet gledam sasvim drugim ocima :|
a on tebe jednim okom :evil:
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ljiljan-x wrote:
Quaresma wrote:otkako sam gledao The Arrivals, svijet gledam sasvim drugim ocima :|
a on tebe jednim okom :evil:
ebem im dolar, volio bih da ima nastavaka od ovog dokumentarca/serije stali vec, jer je veoma zanimljivo, nikad mi nebi na pamet moglo pasti stosta toga, dok nisam "The Arrivas" pogledao
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Part 1,ono o bogu je bas imba.Kad ce se svijet opametiti i odbaciti sve religije.
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Decerto wrote:Part 1,ono o bogu je bas imba.Kad ce se svijet opametiti i odbaciti sve religije.
ma šta ti je,da nema Boga,trebalo bi ga izmisliti 8)
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dobar film - AGORA
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art is a mirror - Shakespeare

art is a lie about truth - Picasso

Freud and Jung analyzed art , used it as reference, Freud analyzed Michelangelo, analyzing disturbed youth symbols reviles their subconscious, even if art is on spontaneous intuitive level, even if mind doesn't see direct importance to it , it reviles subconscious suppressed material pathological or not, analyzing art of some period reviles there own zeitgeist, understandings, ideas events that perplexed that time, therefor it recorded history on its own way. Among all arts fractions surrealism was influenced directly with Freud/Jung serendipitous intuitive coincidental in search for depthfull, meaningful symptomatic and significant. Almost any art fraction after Freud was one was or the other influenced by his work, therefor art will revile suppressed currents before they are acknowledged officially.


BLADE RUNNER

EXPERIMENT - JOHN HOPKINS

PULSE - japanski i americka verzija

GAMEBOX 1.0

LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH

LAWNMOWER MAN

THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE - JONATAN DEMME

there are several contemporary movies with programed Manchurian candidates,
Serenity- where is possible to see layered frequency within a frequency , subliminals, programing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_(film)

A Clockwork Orange (film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)

"God in words of others" book - Huxley is recommending masculine to priests, drug linked to mind control, there is possibility that massive pedophilia among priest is created artificially, rape appears as part of splitting personality to create controllable alter, criminal psychology profile of a prostitute is rape victim, if that is so then there is possibility that priests are manufactured Clockwork Orange too , regardless if there is inability of controlling sexual instinct is caused by drugs or mind control remote artificial stimulation of a brain its opening a hells door. Strangely enough in US sex offenders are only registered living among people

Brave New World (film)
promiscuous society constantly on drugs, people are marked with their status in society, pedophilia, ridiculing fisherman, possibly translates as ridiculing Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World_(film)

Kinsey (film)
research that was accused of paying parents to time their children orgasms, they refused to provide research subjects names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_(film)

Ted Bundy (film) ,
worked on Repablican campain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy_(film)
http://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/bun ... -evil-2009

Manson (film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manson_(film)
www.metacafe.com/watch/3424209/manson_movie_trailer




Eastern Promises
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Promises

Flock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flock_(film)

leading double life, split personality
Mary Reilly (film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Reilly_(film)


THE LISTENING - MICHAEL PARKS

ELEKTRA

VIRTUOSITY - RUSSELL CROWE, DENZEL WASHINGTON

THE BRAIN MACHINE - JOY N HOUCK JR

CONTROL FACTOR - ADAM BALDWIN - essential movie

THE 6TH DAY

COMA - MICHAEL DOUGLAS

JEKYLL+HYDE

GOYA'S GHOSTS

THE BOURNE IDENTITY

DARK CITY

NEMESIS

V FOR VENDETTA

HELLBOY

LEFT BEHIND - WORLED AT WAR

RESIDENT EVIL EXTINCTION -MILA JOVOVIC

ULTRAVIOLET- MILA JOVOVIC

Charlie Wilson's War - resistance supported before occupation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson%27s_War

Silver City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_City_(2004_film)

All the King's Men (2006 film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_Ki ... 2006_film)

Breach
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

I'm still here
ending movie with drowning like that might have indicate that something happened to him related to that jump of his when he was little, he might be saying subconsciously that it was moment when he drowned, movie is kind of hyper real that its seems its more real than reality itself, as in really living in fantasy rather then in life, as if he is trying to come out and perhaps reconcile with his past.
http://movies.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/mo ... still.html

it fells humiliating to come out, one fells that he will be pitied , and worthless so they will rather act viscous even develop sadomasochistic mental behavior.
he appears as a good person, as he said himself his father was a priest in church Children of God , that practiced pedophilia , one of several that was linked to mind control experiments set up by government, if he is for real in selfdistruictive mode as many end up in he might need help instead of letting them selfdistruct for commercial purposes

according to Jung everyone in arts had some kind of sexual trauma - Spirit in Man, Art and Literature

http://www.jungarena.com/books/The-Spir ... 0415304399

out of arrested development caused by a trauma, brain builds a wall to block a trauma , childishness is mode of behavior, escapist behavior with drug use, mind is forced to deal with it but in same time is escaping from it , this spinning can lead to psychosis, drug use alone has potential to cause psychosis and split personality and is listed as standard side effect to cocaine and other drugs , its essential to came out verbally through therapy to resolve this inner conflict (Freud) something like in

The Butterfly Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly_Effect

Forest of Death (film) - news PBS reported unusual series of suicides in a forest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_of_Death_(film)

Eyes Wide Shut
Rade Serbedjija is acting as a Serb pimp who is selling his own underaged daughter, movie made in secret, director dies shortly after release of heart attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyes_wide_shut

"he who controls all information controls the world... NWO is based on electrons and information... we are moving toward the future defined only by technology and market forces" -"Netforce" - Tom Clancy

Herbert Spenser human nature striped of humanity - "Quest for Fire " movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_Fire_(film)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Spencer

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Agx ... =yfp-t-892

- there is congressional hearing where Ramsfeld was questioned about 5000 Bosnian women
- solger that was in Kosovo reported peace keepers having sex with 12 year olds - PBS
- organ operation in Kosovo krecked down by police - RT
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svasta nacitah na ovoj temi...i svi misle da su otkrili istinu ... pa reko, da i ja definiciju dam o "istini" ...

ISTINA JE ONO STO COVJEK MISLI DA JE ISTINA !!!
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Rendition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_(film)

Dani su objavili itervju sa covjekom iz Sa koji je pokupljen, mucen poslje samo izbacan na Cengic Vili
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movie V for Vendeta looks like it might have been writen by someone that was experimented on like from Marshal Thomas youtube movies
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I Spy movie, nanochip inplant in the contact lens or aye

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Spy_(film)
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Japanese Americans were in concentration camps in US during WWII although they didn't have noting to do with it, when they came home all their property was stolen that's main stream historical fact , Jews were capt in barbwire when they arrive in US regardless they came from German Concentration camps, it can be seen in true story movie "Haven" how they were treated when they came, according to US media only 7% of those incarsorated in Gvantanamo have klix charges against them rest is preventive inprisonment, those preventive inprisonment facilities are nested across a world, it is undaubtable patern

concentration camp Dachau was made before WWII, there was opportunity to leave if they are willing to go to foreign countries, Belgium police was arresting them and returning to Germany, imprisonment with time become slavery and then industrialized gassing and burning. US and Britain took limited number, US turned back entire ocean liner of refuges from Europe, people were committing suicide rather then going back, those that did came back ended up in concentration camps, Some found refuge all the way to Shanghai, after Japanese invaded eastern Chine under direction of Gestapo they ended up in ghettos again.
precursor of imprisonment - slavery - then systematic killing was criminalizing of religion, pre WWII atmosphere - Franz Kafka - Trial


mostly from "Shanghai Ghetto" documentary

killings of homosexuals "Paragraph 175" documentary

some of known US serial killers preserved corpses to eat their victims ,according to some sources in US there is active 50 serial killers at any given time, in WWII concentration camps human hair was stored for used , human fat was used to make a soup, Mine Kampf was forbidden , today it is being reprinted in EU, in US its regular idem on shelves of their book stores, today there are frequent clashes with neonazis in EU (Spiegel), attacks on graves, Auschwicz sign was stolen, Austrian neonazi leader was killed in car accident, antisemitism in Russia, migration of Russian Jews to Israel (Spiegel)

Forgiving Mengele - documentary about one of Mengele twins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiving_Dr._Mengele

The Bunker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bunker
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statix wrote:Dobar text :)

"Prošle nedjelje - 13. marta, Zeitgeist pokret, nizom predavanja, seminara, okruglih stolova, obilježio je svoj dan. Nisam pročitao niti u jednom oborskom mediju jedno jedino slovo o ovom događaju.

U ovoj kolumni pokušaću, prije svega kao sociolog, da predstavim, pojasnim i, koliko mogu, osvijetlim činjenično stanje koje se krije iza pokreta-stava-životnog stila, a koji se zove Zeitgeist.

Šta je zapravo Zeitgeist? Koliko se frekventno ova riječ upotrebljava u današnje vrijeme? Koliko ljudi u Oboru znaju za Zeitgeist i koliko ima pogrešnih predstava, predrasuda i nipodaštavanja o ovom, možda najvažnijem sociološkom fenomenu sa početka 21. vijeka?

Na početku bi bilo najbolje reći šta Zeitgeist nije.

Zeitgeist nije, dakle, sekta, mračnjačka organizacija, sotonističko-anarhističko-komunističko udruženje. On nije nikakva donkihotovska utopija, na koju će fancy-klinci gubiti svoje vrijeme. Takođe nije besprizorni pomodarski trend koji bi se skrivao iza lifestyle prefiksa. Nije niti bespogovorni kvazi-duhovni guru pokret.

1. Istorijsko utemeljenje, činjenice

Zeitgeist možemo najprikladnije i najadekvatnije prevesti sa njemačkog kao ,,duh vremena“. Iole obavještenijem čitaocu biće jasno kako je ovdje riječ o Hegelovom nauku. Naime, mislilac je još kroz svoju ,,filosofiju istorije“ utemeljio ovu riječ kao jednu od ključnih u svom umovanju. Duh vremena je, dakle, zbivanje njega samog (duha) u svijetu i svijesti. On je bitno dijalektičan (kreće se i mijenja), postaje samom sebi suprotnost i kontradikcija-antiteza i na višem nivou stvara novu realnost-tezu. Tako se po Hegelu kreće i odvija (zbiva) cjelokupna istorija čovječanstva. Njen kraj će doći spoznajom duha kao sveprisutnosti i samim tim neće više biti istorijskog kretanja. Duh vremena će biti sveprisutan, samosvjestan i realizovan. Ovo učenje moramo situirati na početak 19. vijeka i jasno je da je Hegel kao veliki enciklopedista svoj zeitgeist smjestio i u religiju, etiku, estetiku, pravo, filozofiju, politiku, nauku, jednom riječju u ljudsku stvarnost.

Kako god bilo, do dan danas Zeitgeist predstavlja dinamičnu, opštu razvojnu snagu i pokretačku silu, bar u nominalnom smislu.

Taj isti Hegelov ,,duh vremena“ kritikovali su svi (ili gotovo svi), od mladohegelijanaca, preko Fojerbaha, Marksa i egzistencijalista do futurista.

Kritika i tumačenje Zeitgeista, doveli su do razvoja totalitarnih ideologija. Ovdje se prvenstveno misli na nacional-socijalizam i komunizam, ali i do pojave i realizacije neoliberalnog kapitalizma. Naposle, ovaj potonji nemamo nikakvo pravo, u razvojnom smislu, odvajati od prva dva. Uz primjese nacizma i komunizma, kapitalizam po potrebi koristi i klero-fašističke i pseudo-feudalne forme.

Mislim da je ovo i više nego dovoljno dokaza i podataka da se revidira iznova i u 21. vijeku naš ,,Zeitgeist“. I to je urađeno.

2. Zeitgeist počeci

Zapravo, sve je počelo sedamdesetih godina prošlog vijeka, kada je Žak Fresko, inženjer, sociolog, mislilac, futurista, inovator i jedan od najživopisnijih (a kasnije će se ispostaviti i najumnijih ljudi našeg vremena), počeo sa realizacijom svog Venus-projekta. Projekat je dobio ime po mjestu u kome se nalazi-Venus, na Floridi. Od ranije poznat po svojim briljantnim i što je najvažnije upotrebljivim izumima u oblasti brodogradnje, saobraćaja i energetike, Fresko je rekao ZBOGOM kapitalizmu i krenuo dalje. Osnove njegovog umovanja i, što je važnije, delanja su sublimirane otprilike ovako:

-Ukidanje monetarnog i bankarskog sistema kao najvećeg zla savremenog društva
-Uvođenje samoodrživog sistema korištenja društvenih resursa, ravnopravne podjele dobara i pristupa istim
-Ukidanje svakog institucionalnog oblika religije, ideologije i socijalno-divergentne presije, dakle svih oblika sistemskog uništenja i porobljavanja čovječanstva, koji su, po

Freskou, nastali kao puki egoistični oblici vladajućih elita u očuvanju materijalnih dobara u svom posjedu, a time i upravljačke moći

-Uvođenje vještačke inteligencije kao ,,objektivnog korelativa i ljudskog saveznika“, te razvoj naprednih tehnologija, ali ne, kako se to pežorativno govori u ,,službi čovjeka“ , nego u službi Planete Zemlje
-Ukidanje državnih i svakih drugih granica, gdje bi pojedinac zapravo bio građanin Planete i samo korisnik, nikako vlasnik dobara - kako prirodnih, tako i novostvorenih

Logično je bilo da su se uz ovakve ideje odmah stvorili i ,,obožavaoci“ Freskooovog lika i djela. Od zakletih desničara, pa do anarholjevice. Od ateista, do sektaša svake vrste i provinijencije. A to Fresko nikako nije želio. Ne samo zbog svoje skromnosti, nego, što je možda i važnije, zbog direktne kolizije sa njegovim radom. Naime, svako idolopoklonstvo bi sahranilo gore narečene ideje i bilo bukvalno kontraproduktivno i kontradiktorno sa istim. Tada (sedamdesetih), očigledno se nisu stvorili uslovi za razvoj, kako je to Fresko rekao, pokreta zdravog ljudskog razuma. Pokreta koji će se bazirati na altruizmu, poznavanju tehnike i nauke savremenog društva, pokreta koji će kritički procijeniti potrošački svijet i njegovu najveću boljku - reklamu i potrebu za materijalnim posjedovanjem. A, da li su se stekli uslovi da danas ovakav pokret zaživi?

Zapravo, on je već zaživio, ali ponešto na drugačiji način i pod bitno drugačijim istorijskim uslovima.

3. Zeitgeist film

Kako realnost najčešće prestigne najluđu maštu, tako se Sjedinjenim Državama desio 11. septembar. Dakle, Svijetu se desio. Izraz ,,desiti se“ možda je i najadekvatniji. Prosto, svi smo bili statisti u jednoj dobro režiranoj predstavi užasa, predstavi koja će izazvati Drugi zalivski rat, okupaciju Avganistana, divljanje cijene barela nafte, oživljavanje cionističkog pokreta, hiperprodukciju religijskih organizacija. Radilo se o predstavi koja je ponovo dovela civilizacijski pretis-lonac do eksplozije.
Ovo je bila samo inicijalna kapisla za stvaranje prvog dijela dokumentarnog filma ,,Zaitgeist“ , filma poslije kog percepcija svijeta kod velikog broja ljudi nije više bila ista. Reditelj, narator, scenarista i producent prvog Zeitgeista-,,Zeidgeist the Movie“ , Piter Džozef, naprosto, iskoristio je te 2007. godine svoje zanje i saznanje o Freskoovim učenjima i kao na pladnju nam rastvorio američki ( pa i svjetski) monetarni, religijski, politički i pravni sistem. Nije ovdje bilo riječi ni o kakvoj ,,teoriji zavjere“. Uz obilatu pomoć nauke, predstavljen nam je svijet u kome živimo. Svijet od Sumera do SAD-a.

Kako objasniti ekstremnu popularnost ovog djela u inače skeptičnim elitističkim naučnim i kulturnim krugovima Zapadnog svijeta?

Pa, film je samo prikazivao i naučno objašnjavao ,,duh vremena“ kako melje, jede i uništava civilizaciju, a čiji je jedini cilj (bar do 20. vijeka) bio održanje svjetske elite na vlasti po svaku, ali svaku, cijenu.

Njegov uspjeh leži i u činjenici da, za razliku od izvikanih Murovih dokumentaraca, Zeitgeist nikad nije bio mejnstrim. On nije podilazio, niti je imao namjeru da podilazi masama. Što je možda još važnije, film ,,Zeitgeist“ se nije nikome dodvoravao jeftinim populističkim floskulama. Trebalo ga je razumjeti, situirati u vrijeme i naposlijetku delati.

A tu je bit ,,Zeitgeista“. On, za razliku od nekih dokumetarističkih ostvarenja, nije djelo koje ,,ukazuje“, ,,revidira“, ,,postulira“... On udara u glavu i traži hitnu izmjenu svijeta, svijesti i načina života. Za dobrobit naše djece. Brutalno i iskreno.

Džosef je na valu prvog uspjeha, već 2008. režirao ,,Zeitgeist Addendum“, u kome direktno okrivljuje bankare za najveća zla u svijetu u kome živimo. Banke su te koje pokreću i zaustavljaju ratove - po potrebi. Banke smjenjuju i postavljaju vlade širom svijeta, banke odlučuju koliko dugo i kako kvalitetno ćemo živjeti...

U svakom slučaju, ovdje neće biti predočena radnja filmova. Dostupni su SVIMA I BESPLATNO na netu. I svi mogu imati svoj sud o njima.

4. Zaitgeist pokret

Na osnovu svega narečenog, možda bi bilo ispravnije, bar nominalno, ovaj pokret nazvati ,,Venus“ pokret, projekat, kako god. Ali to više nije ni bitno.

Na kraju se treba osvrnuti i kritički promisliti o ,,Zaitgeistu“. Mnogi mu zamjeraju kako je ovo samo sondažno istraživanje upravo onih koji su na vlasti tokom poslednjih stotinu godina. Drugi kažu kako je riječ o nesumnjivo altruističkom pokretu, ali kako su njegov uticaj i moć naprosto zanemarljivi. Treći nalaze osnovnu zamjerku kako se radi o najobičnijoj teoriji zavjere, koja je od početka bazirana na lažnoj premisi da je sama Amerika inscenirala napade 11. septembra.

Ono što je istina je da trenutno nema ništa bolje od ,,Zitgeista“. Kad to kažem ne mislim na neko aktivističko sljepilo. Radi se o prostim činjenicama. Ako vam neko kaže da vodite normalan život, da se, koliko možete, klonite banaka, kredita, pozajmica, da čuvate svoju okolinu, da svojoj djeci obezbijedite uslove, prvenstveno znanje, kako bi mogla zdravo da zaključuju o svijetu oko sebe, sigurno mu nećete spočitati da je lud.

Ako je to neko govorio decenijama prije napada na Ameriku, ako je taj neko preuzeo znanja od Hegela, koji sam kaže da mu je spoznajni izvor Antička Grčka, onda tu postoje i korjeni.

Ali, što je najvažnije, ako znate da u svijetu gdje 1% populacije posjeduje 40% bogatstva planete, u svijetu u kome 34 hiljade djece umire svaki dan od posljedica siromaštva i izlječivih bolesti i gdje 50% svjetske populacije živi sa manje od 2 dolara dnevno... Jedna stvar je jasna. Nešto je veoma pogrešno."
Sve je to divno i krasno.
Ali kao čovjeka koji propagira POKRET zamolio bi te da dokažeš tvrdnje iz Zeitgeista na koji se pozivaš.
Dakle činjenice, ako dokažeš tvrdnje imaš 1000 dolara.

Baš me zanima hoćeš li uspjeti :)

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

Bujrum.

Evo tekst sa stranice:

All you have to do is take the various claims (that I will list below) concerning the similarities of Christ and other ancient gods that Zeitgeist makes, match them up to the text where it is claimed, and provide the specific quote and/or a link to the source, for example:

- List here the claim made by Zeitgeist:
- Here you might put the title of the text or glyph that is mentioned (for example: “Book of the Dead”, and the
chapter and verse if applicable.
- Here quote what is literally said in the source or why it is implied.
- Here you would provide a link to it on the web, if applicable.

Repeat this process for ALL the claims made by Zeitgeist and you WIN!!

Here is a link to a good website where you can find copies of many of the ancient texts where some of these claims would be found. Sacred Texts You could, of course, also use texts any other place you find them, as long as they can be verified.

There is only one reasonable ground rule:
Obviously, you would want to make sure the texts you quote from are valid, in that they are reasonably demonstrable to have been written before the time of Christ, only because the attempt by Zeitgeist is to show that the biblical story was “borrowed” from earlier myths.

The makers of Zeitgeist offer a list of sources for the claims they make, but they fail to list original texts, besides the Bible, in defense of them. So, it probably wont help you much, but it is available here. As you can see, Zeitgeist chooses, instead, to quote modern writers, of which the primary one seems to be Gerald Massey and Acharya S.
The following are the claims of Zeitgeist word for word:

HORUS:
Horus was born on December 25th
Born of the virgin
His birth was accompanied by a star in the east
Three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior
At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher
And at the age of 30, he was baptized and thus began his ministry
Horus had 12 disciples
Performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water
Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God’s Anointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, After being betrayed by Typhon,
Horus was crucified,
Buried for 3 days and
Thus, resurrected.

ATTIS:
Born of the virgin
On December 25th,
Crucified,
Placed in a tomb
And after 3 days, was resurrected.

KRISHNA:
Born of the virgin
With a star in the east signaling his coming
Performed miracles with his disciples
And upon his death was resurrected.

DIONYSUS
born of a virgin on December 25th
was a traveling teacher
who performed miracles such as turning water into wine
he was referred to as the “King of Kings,” “God’s Only Begotten Son,” “The Alpha and Omega,” and many others
and upon his death, he was resurrected.

MITHRA:
Born of a virgin
On December 25th
He had 12 disciples
And performed miracles
And upon his death was buried for 3 days
And thus resurrected
He was also referred to as “The Truth,” “The Light”
Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

Jesus Christ:
Born on December 25th
Three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior

Let me be very clear, Im not looking for what people SAY it says in the ancient literature. There is an abundance of that available. I want to know where these people are getting their information because we can find no historical record of these claims in ancient history.

You can post your responses in the comment section of the “attempts” page, in the unlikely event of a winner you will be paid via Paypal.
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one of Alice in Wonderland movies there is world of exploitation behind a mirror, where people are used as oysters, there is ingenious stock market of emotions, brilliant ironic introduction of "clear consciousness" , production of programed assassins with enhanced, manufactured homicidal mania, something like ridiculing version of Bournes Identity

May 6th - movie by Theo Van Gogh, there is in special features documentary that questions circumstances of his death, and his video diary explaining what movie is about , blockbuster has it among others

The Horror Film Thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94994

Final Cut
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Cut_(2004_film)
mental maps
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~smatei/Menta ... ource.html
http://ezinearticles.com/?Electricity-i ... &id=519030
Biological psychology
http://www.biopsychology.com/news/index ... pe=chapter

taping into brain, brain scan, emotional scan, microchiping are used for torture, subliminals are used on a regular bases to override subconscious, its to a point where salesmans in stores are receiving microwave instructions what to say and do
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Evo 3-ca YT
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Evo jos malo panike. Evropo evo nas. By the way zena zivi sad u Mexicu morala je da izbegne iz USA.
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Donnie Darko za domaci zadatak

Excalibur od John Boorman-a
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Istina je da ne možemo znati što je istina koliko god se obrazovali.
Istinu možemo spoznati samo ako se približimo Onome u kome je sva istina. (a i onda malo po malo)
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