Deblokada Sarajeva???

[PM72]

E golema ta bi slastičarna...
Spala knjiga sa 168 na 5...ako nastavimo...

[caco372]

Nisam spominjao tih 168 jer ih nisam vidio,naveo sam šta sam vidio.5 vojnih 110-tki.

[PM72]

znači,sa 5 šlepera dođosmo do 5 110-tki...
nego,što ne korististe te 110-tke nego onaj bijeli kombi mercedes što ga oteste čovjeku?

[akaunt]

znači,sa 5 šlepera dođosmo do 5 110-tki...
nego,što ne korististe te 110-tke nego onaj bijeli kombi mercedes što ga oteste čovjeku?

Majke ti PM , dje ono bi kad smo se samo nas dvojica ibretili ovoj SF prici o 2282 metra dugom konvoju. Tad to prodje bez ikakve price. Sta se u medjuvremenu desilo pa se odnekud ozivi ova prica?

[akaunt]

Nemoj ko da bi mu prigovorio zbog ovo 92'! Prgav je brzo se naljuti !

[PM72]

Ali ne smatram dobrim, uslovno rečeno, obračun sa gotovo svim bitnim pokretačima otpora na sarajevskom ratištu. A Lučarević je sigurno jedan od živih.

a šta treba,da prešutim njegova izmišljanja ,falsifikate i laži? jebe mi se da mi je brat a ne "pokretač otpora" koji je unovčio svaku sekundu provedenu u ratu.

[zateznistub]

Broj akreditacije i nije toliko relevantan jer su se dijelile i kome treba i kome ne treba. Ljudi koji su kao finansirali pojedine jedinice kroz ko zna koje stilove i talove, žene i trebe lokalnih šerifa su također dobijali i nosili te akreditacije

[SA-71000]

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[PM72]

meščini da nije dozvoljeno kloniranje nickova...odluči se,jesi li Bistrik ili Sa?

[dječak sa šibicama]

super, samo da nam jos neko objasni zasto Sarajevo nije deblokirano nikada, a zarobilo se 160 slepera naoruzanja sto je dovoljno da naoruzas omanju armiju

[akaunt]

160 slepera sa prosjecnom duzinom od 14 metara, sa minimalnim rastojanjem od metar cini kolonu od dva i po kilometra.
To je odprilike od Gume što gori pa do Maršalke, mozda do kraja Marsalke. U peridu kad se znalo ko je kuda Golfa dvojku proveo mi se sad nakon dvajes i pet godina ovdje bavimo sa "mozda"? Sta je cilj ove diskusije?
Oprostite sto pitam, koliko je vas bilo u Sarajevu u peridu 92-95?
S vremena na vrijeme se ovdje razviju tako surealne diskusije koje očigledno neko forsira sa meni nejasnim ciljem. Haj sto su moderatori ko seoske mlade pa se uvrijede na bilo kakvu zajebanciju pa se ne moze nista njima reć al odkud snaga nekim normalnim da ulaze u diskusiju o dva i po kilometra dugoj koloni u zatvorenom gradu???

[zateznistub]

Ovo je bilo u Đemala Bijedica kod bivšeg ptt inžinjeringa i na kraju videa odoše pored otoke ka Viktor Bubanj/Ramiz Dalčin kasarni i vidi se par kamiona i jednom slepom. Sve skupa da je brojani i auti nema ih 168 koliko li se spominje

[zateznistub]

Naravno da broj vozila ne odgovara onom od 150-170 koji je u presretnutom razgovoru priznala JNA strana. Meni je ovo lokacijski bliže području Halilovića a samim tim i kasarni Jusuf Džonlić. Preuzimanje dogovorene kvote naoružanja i opreme. Napad se desio po noći , tako sam ja bar shvatio. Nema datuma na snimku, a koliko mi je poznato , navedena kasarna je bila pod našom kontrolom 3 juna 1992. Dakle, dva dana prije iseljenja kasarne Maršal Tito u centru Sarajeva, a 11 dana nakon iseljavanja kasarne Viktor Bubanj (Ramiz Salčin).



Safet Zajko sa saborcima u tek oslobođenoj kasarni ''Jusuf Džonlić'' 3 jun 1992.

Pa ja, to je to. Jeste u halilovicima ali u ulici Đeme Bijedica

[PM72]

Ovo je bilo u Đemala Bijedica kod bivšeg ptt inžinjeringa i na kraju videa odoše pored otoke ka Viktor Bubanj/Ramiz Dalčin kasarni i vidi se par kamiona i jednom slepom. Sve skupa da je brojani i auti nema ih 168 koliko li se spominje

hoće čovjek na silu da nam dokaže i potvrdi Kerimove izmišljotine
i kasarne nisu oslobođene nego napuštene...

[zateznistub]

Ovo je bilo u Đemala Bijedica kod bivšeg ptt inžinjeringa i na kraju videa odoše pored otoke ka Viktor Bubanj/Ramiz Dalčin kasarni i vidi se par kamiona i jednom slepom. Sve skupa da je brojani i auti nema ih 168 koliko li se spominje

hoće čovjek na silu da nam dokaže i potvrdi Kerimove izmišljotine
i kasarne nisu oslobođene nego napuštene...

Posto je moja jedinica jedno vrijeme bila dio njegove vojne policije mogu samo reci da je bionobicni maneken. Koliko je znao ili ne to ne znam, zna on

[BISTRIK100]

Ovo je mozda malo off topic.Kerim objasnjava u svojoj knjizi kako je Ramiz Salcin gadjao sa ZIS-om kao sa snajperom.Vjerovatno to mnogi ne znaju.On je unistio cetnicke bunkere na Zuci.Ovo su dva dijela.

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At the end of the convoy there were luxury cars, with Serbi­
an officers and men in them. My men opened the cars and to­
ok their arms. They found chain saws in the boots. In almost
every car there were five holders.
I sent all the saws to the villagers in Buca-Potok They 'mo­
wed' Zuc with them.
I gave one zis recoilless cannon from the Jusuf Dfonlic
barracks to Ramiz Salcin. He dug it in and made a shelter for
the crew. Ramiz aimed this weapon at Milinkladska street. A
few days later our line towards Hrasno broke. The chetniks
moved in on the Viktor Bubanj barracks after midnight. Ra­
miz didn't know what to do. The chetniks could easily reach
the barracks. It was night, so we couldn't determine the pri­
ncipal direction of attack of the chetniks. We could only ori­
ent ourselves by the density of their bursts of fire, anything
else was senseless. Ramiz called me.
'Doctor, what shall we do? They are firing as they advance
on our positions. It's dark, we can't see a thing. To judge from
the bursts of fire, they seem to be advancing in several directi­
ons. I can't be reasonable. What should we do?'
There was no time. The chetniks were advancing on the
barracks. A decision had to be reached; we couldn't wait. I sa­
id, though I hadn't given it much consideration, 'Ramiz, find
where the greatest concentration of fire is coming from. Tha­
t's the largest group of chetniks. That's their principal line of
attack. Perhaps the only one. You can't fail with the zis.
Ramiz obeyed me. He send out a reconnaissance. In the
dark, between the houses, they went towards the chetniks who
were firing towards the barracks. After half an hour they came
back to Ramiz. It was all perfectly clear to him. He turned the
barrel in the dark towards the point from which the chetnik fi­
re was fiercest. The men enjoyed watching Ramiz handling the
zis - they knew what a powerful weapon it was.
In the morning we returned to the line in Hrasno. We fo­
und forty two dead chetniks. They were all Russians and Ro­
manians. The chetniks had sent them to their deaths. The
chetniks· didn't even ask for their bodies. The chetniks never
asked for the bodies of Russians and Romanians, though they
were dying on their behalf. It all ended well. We didn't have a
single dead or wounded man.
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hundred houses. The chetniks had set up a machine gun ne­
st in each of the houses.
They had Sarajevo in the palm of their hand. From up the­
re, shells raked every quarter of the city.
Orlic was the heart of Zuc.
Ramiz Salcin was the commandant of the Territorial Defe­
nce in the Sarajevo municipality of Novi Grad. His task was to
neutralize Orlic. Our military police had to come up behind
the chetniks, via Kobilja Glava.
Orlic couldn't be liberated without artillery.
Ramiz Salcin had only two shells.
I ordered Mica to give him another hundred and ten she­
lls. Ramiz was jumping for joy. It was the first time he'd had
so many shells at his disposal. He was sure we'd liberate Zuc.
Further preparations were made. For the most part, the de­
fenders of Sarajevo felt as though they were ready. At about fi­
ve in the morning our artillery troops took up position by the­
ir weapons. The first two shells were fired. But nothing happe­
ned. These were artillery troops sent by Talijan. It was as tho­
ugh they hadn't targeted anything from the cannons, the 'zis'.
To put it mildly, Ramiz Salcin was angry. He was so fed up
that he sent the artilleryman packing, telling him this was no
time to be wasting shells. Then he himself took up position
behind the 'zis'. Although he took the range only with the he­
lp of a mechanical range finder, every shell found its target.
His observers were dumbstruck - as though by magic, the co­
ncrete trenches on Zuc were destroyed one after another. It
was like an action movie: he swept through the bunkers, and
the chetniks inside them. Even those who saw it with their
own eyes couldn't believe it. His comrades, watching enthra-
!led, kept count: exactly one hundred hits. The houses where
the machine gun nests had been set up were wiped out, too.
And Ramiz Salcin had done it all.
The chetniks could never have expected this. They never
imagined that the non-existent Bosnian army could fire so
many shells, let alone do what they did.
The artillery attack, once over, was followed by troop mo­
vements. At the double, the Bosnian soldiers went into the de­
stroyed trenches, full of dead chetniks. A group of chetniks hi­
ding behind the smashed concrete trenches put up some re­
sistance. Chetniks from another battle front also fired at them.
But they couldn't defend Zuc.
How did the Serbian General Dordevac feel when he was
told that all his concrete trenches were now full of soldiers de­
fending Sarajevo?
The chetniks left behind them howitzers, cannon, rocket
launchers. The defenders of Bosnia and Herzegovina's capital
city pushed back the line of defence towards Rajlovac. They we­
re already able to cut the road linking Ilidza and Vogosfa
This victory boosted the morale of our men. They knew ve­
ry well what Zuc had meant to the chetniks. And thus the stri­
ng of precious victories was lengthened: the men of Sarajevo
had begun with Skenderija, the Post Office, Pofalici, Mojmilo,
and now they were on Zuc. Victory after victory.

[PM72]

e ako je to Kerim napisao...

[dječak sa šibicama]

Ovo je bilo u Đemala Bijedica kod bivšeg ptt inžinjeringa i na kraju videa odoše pored otoke ka Viktor Bubanj/Ramiz Dalčin kasarni i vidi se par kamiona i jednom slepom. Sve skupa da je brojani i auti nema ih 168 koliko li se spominje

i na snimku je predaja dijela TO oruzja na koju se JNA obavezala ako zeli mirno i bez zrtava napustiti kasarne

[PM72]

Koliko se sjećam,JNA je do početka sukoba izmjestila iz sarajevskih kasarni sve što valja.Najveći plijen iz kasarni u Sarajevu su dva tenka T55 koji su bili u kasarni Maršal Tito i služili za obuku pitomaca kao i dvije gvozdike.Priča o stotinama šlepera krcatih oružjem koje su kao naši "zaplijenili" je hrana da balavurdiju,dijasporu i one koji su rat proveli u podrumu.

P.S.Mislim da je moderator na ovoj temi u "sukobu interesa" .Da ne objašnjavam šta i kako.Sve oko ovoga zna bolje nego mi ali neće da prizna.

[PM72]

Pobrisa mi post. Znači,moram kod tebe po svoje mišljenje?

[PM72]

Ja kao i svi ostali imam pravo na svoje mišljenje, dakle kao i svaki drugi član foruma.

jest ali nam namećeš svoje ...gospodine moderatore.meni pod kožu ne može stati veličanje ublehaša i ratnih profitera.Ako VAM smetam-imaju mjere,pravo da VAM kažem,i ne mili mi se čitati ovakve nebuloze i laži.
Pozdrav domovini.

[karanana]

procito sam izbrisani post. ne znam ni sta je bilo sporno u njemu? sta je personalni nivo? da je kerim bio komandant forumasha? ne vidim neku preveliku invaziju privatnosti ovim. ali nebitno. post nije bio informativan, trazio je detalje drugog forumasha.
meni nije jasno o kakvih je izgubljenih 150 kamiona srpska strana pricala u presretnutom razgovoru. mozda je u pitanju neka njihova kontraobavjestajna akcija gdje su znali da ih prisluskuju.....
skontajte malo sta bi 163 slepera oruzja uradila u maju-junu 92. pa borbeni komplet je te godine bio 5-10 metaka. puska je isla na 2-3 covjeka. pa pogledajte oslobodioce kasarne i tih 163 slepera. u dzemperima, tenama i bez bilo kakvog oruzja. ni pistolja. ginulo se da se odrade 3 zolje. a 163 slepera oruzja se odradila bez ispaljenog metka i bez bilo kakve pompe. pa da su uzeta 163 slepera, mladic bi ih sravnio. gdje bi ih sakrio? mislim da trebamo preskociti ovaj dio price.
interesuje me 8. juni konkretno. po meni dan d. nakon toga, nista se vise nikad nije moglo uraditi iznutra. pa eto ako imate sta. napade, uspjehe, neuspjehe....otprilike za hrasno i samarlica se zna. ostali dijelovi ratista slabije. jel to onaj dan kad smo ko fol izasli na vraca? kad je dedina rora prepolovila jarbol sa srpskom zastavom? i to su lazi bile ja mislim.
a sjecate li se tog ljeta kad se pocelo pricati o deblokadi izvana, kad je najavljivano da je dajdza kreno da deblokira preko igmana. kakve su to sve spletke i prevare bile.....

[zateznistub]

Jedino sto je rora pogodila je hepok na Čengić vili.dedi veliki respekt i rahmet.
Puno je bilo bombastičnih priča ali ova o stotinama šlepera drži rekord

[akaunt]

To je onaj dan kad su gradjani trebali da postave zvučnike na prozore, kad je Saša Karadzić prešao u TO, kad su panicno četnici bjezali sa Grbavice...
To je onaj dan koji će svak onaj ko je bio na Poljinama pamtit do kraja zivota!

[akaunt]

Hej , sad sam se sjetio nečeg. Ima li iko od vas što je upućen bolje u priču kad je Dedo navodio a Jukini sa C faze minobacačem tukli po Nedzarićima ?